*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, cylix said:

 

 

 

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

make gold, right...ofc not 😄 but it makes a huge difference if we get +10-15% boost at stock/with PBO or +1-2%. i mean, we previously upgraded cpus for +5% rght? 😋

 

LOOL. Yup, AMD has taken over the baton from Intel and relaunched Intel's old Skylake sins. And the admin fix did nothing for other workload tasks. But this also show show bad Microsoft have made Windows. I'm sure they put all the work for their ARM trash to perform better in Windows as well offer the best battery run-time. Remember they now use the new phone processors in their new Surface tablet pc junk. To do that they have to fiddle with the power plan settings in the OS. Then expect it will be screwed up for x86 processor family. This mess also show  AMD's QC in the xorrect spot light. There is no real QC team at AMD. Zero or nada! 

[Mr. Fox]

Windows 11 truly does suck, but that may not be a legitimate crutch. It sucks for all CPUs, not just Ryzen 5.

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10:25 - I guess is what I'm trying to say and it's really important to note that all the information this video changes nothing about the reviews. The gaming performance relative to Zen4 doesn't really change as we just saw. Relative to Intel processors this may improve Ryzen's position but that is also just an assumption... my fear was that someone would run with the story and in the process create mass hysteria online with claims that Windows 11 is to blame for Zen5's weak gaming performancee when in reality that does not appear to be the case for now... Zen5's gaming performance remains highly disappointing.

[Talon]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Windows 11 truly does suck, but that may not be a legitimate crutch. It sucks for all CPUs, not just Ryzen 5.

 

Oddly enough I just tested this on my Intel system and there is something here from my initial testing. I am seeing pretty large uplift in Cyberpunk 2077 Bench. I did some sanity testing and re did the tests multiple times, reboot, reset settings and they are repeatable and large uplifts with this stupid admin account. 

 

I am now testing more stuff to see if this is more than just one game, or something I've missed. But so far it's possible AMD just found more performance for Intel LOL. 

[jaybee83]

45 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Oddly enough I just tested this on my Intel system and there is something here from my initial testing. I am seeing pretty large uplift in Cyberpunk 2077 Bench. I did some sanity testing and re did the tests multiple times, reboot, reset settings and they are repeatable and large uplifts with this stupid admin account. 

 

I am now testing more stuff to see if this is more than just one game, or something I've missed. But so far it's possible AMD just found more performance for Intel LOL. 

 

yeah HUB mentioned this might actually be a general CPU performance bug in W11 😄 

[Talon]

Just now, jaybee83 said:

 

yeah HUB mentioned this might actually be a general CPU performance bug in W11 😄 

 

Disregard! It looks to be an AMD only issue. I finally found the difference. For some reason it was only applying RTX HDR to one login and not the other and that comes with some overhead. Disabling both results in identical performance. 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Talon said:

I am now testing more stuff to see if this is more than just one game, or something I've missed. But so far it's possible AMD just found more performance for Intel LOL. 

 

 

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

yeah HUB mentioned this might actually be a general CPU performance bug in W11 😄 

 

Hmmm. I wonder how long it will take Microsoft to thighten down the bug and make the performance worse in the adm account😁 Remember Microsoft is all in for better security/crashes. Peformance and or privacy will come second or last. And the icing on the cake..... Full access to your encryption Bitlocker keys and all your up-loaded data "forced by Microsoft" saved in their cloud servers. 

 

For the AMD users hoping for better Zen5 performance with an clean OS reinstall.... Microsoft will just love it😆

 

Currently, it’s not turned on by default for most devices, but this changes with Windows 11 24H2, which turns on encryption automatically during reinstallation.

 

 

Windows 11 24H2 reduces BitLocker eligibility, turns on automatic encryption for more PCs

Mayank Parmar - August 11, 20240

A Microsoft support representative explained that Windows 11 24H2 reduces BitLocker encryption requirements, allowing more PCs to be eligible for automatic and manual encryption. Internally, this is known as Auto_DE, with "auto" referring to automatic and DE likely standing for Device Encryption.

[jaybee83]

21 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

 

 

Hmmm. I wonder how long it will take Microsoft to thighten down the bug and make the performance worse in the adm account😁 Remember Microsoft is all in for better security/crashes. Peformance and or privacy will come second or last. And the icing on the cake..... Full access to your encryption Bitlocker keys and all your up-loaded data "forced" saved in their cloud servers. 

 

For the AMD users hoping for better Zen5 performance with an clean OS reinstall.... Microsoft will just love it😆

 

Currently, it’s not turned on by default for most devices, but this changes with Windows 11 24H2, which turns on encryption automatically during reinstallation.

 

 

Windows 11 24H2 reduces BitLocker eligibility, turns on automatic encryption for more PCs

Mayank Parmar - August 11, 20240

A Microsoft support representative explained that Windows 11 24H2 reduces BitLocker encryption requirements, allowing more PCs to be eligible for automatic and manual encryption. Internally, this is known as Auto_DE, with "auto" referring to automatic and DE likely standing for Device Encryption.

 

automatic encryption? wtf MS, hands off my storage!!!

[Mr. Fox]

57 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

automatic encryption? wtf MS, hands off my storage!!!

For now we have to just settle for disabling the service. Even using NSudo does not allow manually deleting the BitLocker service. At least we can disable this trash. Maybe it can be removed from the ISO with NTLite like Defender.

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

For now we have to just settle for disabling the service. Even using NSudo does not allow manually deleting the BitLocker service. At least we can disable this trash. Maybe it can be removed from the ISO with NTLite like Defender.

 

yep, custom ISO ftw!

[Papusan]

On 8/6/2024 at 1:47 PM, Papusan said:

G.SKILL Trident Z5 Royal DDR5-8000 48GB CL40 Review

All that matters for modern PC users (included gamer kids).... Pretty blingy bling almost as precious stones. Yup... G.Skill know how to offer huge value.

 

 

 

 

Here's the review of the bigger and more expensive brother. Equal disgusting, but more expensive! And G.Skill still don't want spend 0.1 USD on a small piece sheet of thermal pad stamped on the PMIC (because that $0.1 USD will ruin the profits).  G.Skill is more than ever hunged up in winning the Red Dot Design award. People buy with their eyes bro @Mr. Fox How it performs doesn't really matter. Eye candy beats common sense🙁

 

G.SKILL Trident Z5 Royal DDR5-8200 48GB Dual-Channel Memory Kit Review tweaktown.com

 

 

https://static.tweaktown.com/content/1/0/10812_99_skill-trident-z5-royal-ddr5-8200-48gb-dual-channel-memory-kit-review.jpg

 

https://static.tweaktown.com/content/1/0/10812_10_skill-trident-z5-royal-ddr5-8200-48gb-dual-channel-memory-kit-review_full.jpg

[tps3443]

40 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

 

Here's the review of the bigger and more expensive brother. Equal disgusting, but more expensive! And G.Skill still don't want spend 0.1 USD on a small piece sheet of thermal pad stamped on the PMIC (because that $0.1 USD will ruin the profits).  G.Skill is more than ever hunged up in winning the Red Dot Design award. People buy with their eyes bro @Mr. Fox How it performs doesn't really matter. Eye candy beats common sense🙁

 

G.SKILL Trident Z5 Royal DDR5-8200 48GB Dual-Channel Memory Kit Review tweaktown.com

 

 

https://static.tweaktown.com/content/1/0/10812_99_skill-trident-z5-royal-ddr5-8200-48gb-dual-channel-memory-kit-review.jpg

 

https://static.tweaktown.com/content/1/0/10812_10_skill-trident-z5-royal-ddr5-8200-48gb-dual-channel-memory-kit-review_full.jpg

They are such great sticks otherwise though. Mine are just insane. Their 8600 performance in the review is garbage though. 🤭

[Clamibot]

15 hours ago, cylix said:

Windows 11 is crap as usual😁

 

 

 I wonder if this also applies to Windows 10 or even the LTSC editions of Windows 10. If so, this is yet another software tweak to further increase performance. I'll take it! Screw security, just gimme more performance!

Added to my knowledge base. I keep track of software optimizations/tweaks that I hear about that will increase performance. I've compiled quite the list, each item of which on its down only does a little, but hey, a ton of small performance increases combined yields one big performance increase.

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, Clamibot said:

 I wonder if this also applies to Windows 10 or even the LTSC editions of Windows 10. If so, this is yet another software tweak to further increase performance. I'll take it! Screw security, just gimme more performance!

To the extent it actually produces a measurable difference it is likely to be on a bone stock version of Windows 11. If a person has done a good job of exorcizing the demonic powers hiding in the smelly butt-crack of a vanilla cancer version I suspect it probably doesn't change much, if anything.

 

I am wondering to what extent simply logging out and then into a new/different account might produce a similar result. If there are fewer startup processes and no scheduled "maintenance" running in the background when logging in on a new or seldom used Windows user account this will definitely result in a performance boost.

[electrosoft]

@Raiderman

 

I always say, when I want a new BIOS to drop, all I have to do is install the most recent.... 🙂

 

https://download.msi.com/bos_exe/mb/7D70v1J.zip

 

 

Luckily, the system recert was still taking place so I updated to this one and back to testing my dialed in timings on mem and other subsystems before a clean install tonight across the board.

 

 

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

@Raiderman

 

I always say, when I want a new BIOS to drop, all I have to do is install the most recent.... 🙂

 

https://download.msi.com/bos_exe/mb/7D70v1J.zip

 

 

Luckily, the system recert was still taking place so I updated to this one and back to testing my dialed in timings on mem and other subsystems before a clean install tonight across the board.

 

 

ah yes thats the agesa version where they upped the stock TDP of the 9700X and 9600X to help with sales....good luck with that 😅

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

@Raiderman

 

I always say, when I want a new BIOS to drop, all I have to do is install the most recent.... 🙂

 

https://download.msi.com/bos_exe/mb/7D70v1J.zip

 

 

Luckily, the system recert was still taking place so I updated to this one and back to testing my dialed in timings on mem and other subsystems before a clean install tonight across the board.

Speaking of that... MSI finally dropped the new BIOS with MC 0x129 for the Z790I Edge. Working like a champ. No issues with stability or loss of performance. Memory tuned nicely. 57x P-Cores, 47x E-Cores, 52x Cache, VCore 1.290V, 8200 CL38-48-48-84. Sweet little monster now with the 3090 Ti FTW3.

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

ah yes thats the agesa version where they upped the stock TDP of the 9700X and 9600X to help with sales....good luck with that 😅

 

It's the final vs beta one previously but yeah, that 9000 series TDP is gonna rock my world!😅

 

Everything updated, fresh, meticulous, clean install. All hardware tested and verified.....let's go!

 

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Speaking of that... MSI finally dropped the new BIOS with MC 0x129 for the Z790I Edge. Working like a champ. No issues with stability or loss of performance. Memory tuned nicely. 57x P-Cores, 47x E-Cores, 52x Cache, VCore 1.290V, 8200 CL38-48-48-84. Sweet little monster now with the 3090 Ti FTW3.

 

With all the issues and problems out there, nowhere did I even imagine the SA Bug would be one of the blessings of 0x129. Everything is looking good!

 

Now that you've had it for a bit, what is your opinion of the DD EK AIO?

 

 

[Papusan]

28 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

With all the issues and problems out there, nowhere did I even imagine the SA Bug would be one of the blessings of 0x129. Everything is looking good!

 

But how much gain do you receive in benchmarks or and games? Hmmm. Not sure newer has to be better (almost never been). And higher MT/S doesn't mean a squat if you can't get a gain over the others in all benchmarks. New come  always with an drawback . I have seen that in benches several times. I can see it in my benches compared to others. But that's me. I'm slow jumper in on a (hype) train. Better be late than never come home🙂

 

And I really mean it.... Newer doesn't mean better!!! Only a different color in the bling bling world. I need more evidence. And what I have sen won't push me on thedark side with alll..... You know.

[electrosoft]

11 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

But how much gain do you receive in benchmarks or and games? Hmmm. Not sure newer has to be better (almost never been). And higher MT/S doesn't mean a squat if you can't get a gain over the others in all benchmarks. New come  always with an drawback . I have seen that in benches several times. I can see it in my benches compared to others. But that's me. I'm slow jumper in on a (hype) train. Better be late than never come home🙂

 

And I really mean it....

 

There's zero downside to a bug/defect being fixed even if the benefits aren't realized due to personal use cases.

 

But for myself, I can now start dabbling with 8600-8800 along with tighten up at 8400 without the system crashing due to insufficient SA. I couldn't do that before 0x129. Will I run anything like this D2D in the SFF? No. It will now be a tight 8200 vs 8000 for that to keeps temps in check but always better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

 

But I get where you're coming from. 🙂

 

"Hey look, the new model comes with 8 cup holders!"

"But there will be, at most, only two of us in the car"

"Maybe we'll have 4 drinks each one day and...."

"...."

 

[Papusan]

12 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

There's zero downside to a bug/defect being fixed even if the benefits aren't realized due to personal use cases.

 

But for myself, I can now start dabbling with 8600-8800 along with tighten up at 8400 without the system crashing due to insufficient SA. I couldn't do that before 0x129. Will I run anything like this D2D in the SFF? No. It will now be a tight 8200 vs 8000 for that to keeps temps in check but always better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

 

But I get where you're coming from. 🙂

 

"Hey look, the new model comes with 8 cup holders!"

"But there will be, at most, only two of us in the car"

"Maybe we'll have 4 drinks each one day and...."

"...."

 

 

Me.... Seing what bios versions the choosen ones/elite use (those that test bios versions for the screwed ones). I don'twant jump on the "first and so called best" for you all. This doesn't fit me at all. 

[electrosoft]

43 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Me.... Seing what bios versions the choosen ones/elite use (those that test bios versions for the screwed ones). I don'twant jump on the "first and so called best" for you all. This doesn't fit me at all. 

 

Well yeah, then you wouldn't be the @Papusan we all know and love! (minus the Crocs of course 🙂 )

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Now that you've had it for a bit, what is your opinion of the DD EK AIO?

I have no interest in running a CPU with the IHS and stock solder intact. In light of that, this is probably the ideal alternative to a custom loop. Definitely superior to a standard AIO and/or a stock CPU with no delid/bare die. It can't replace my more elaborate (and costly) setups, but it does not need to in the situation for which this system is purposed.

 

In short, I think it is excellent and I am super glad that I snagged it. I think this exceeds what one can typically expect from a SFF desktop.

[Mr. Fox]

Got the Klevv DDR3-2666 and tightened up the timings. Nice bump.  Hard to believe it is DDR3, eh @tps3443

https://hwbot.org/submission/5622859_

 

This quad channel kit is really nice. They are super heavy and the heatsinks look excellent.

 

[tps3443]

Anyone try one of these AIO’s, they have any problems? I have this one for my daughter’s build. It looks very similar to the NZXT Z73 I used in my son’s PC. 
 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Anyone try one of these AIO’s, they have any problems? I have this one for my daughter’s build. It looks very similar to the NZXT Z73 I used in my son’s PC. 
 

There is a possibility that they look alike if they are made by the same company and just rebranded with their own names, logos and proprietary aesthetic gadgetry. A lot of AIOs are basically Asetek clones.