*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

15 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Funny how many overclocking enthusiasts started out as gamers and then became so engaged in overclocking that they didn't really care that much about gaming anymore. Vince is example of that along with me and probably a ton of other people. From the sounds of it, he prefers the same game genre that I do as well.

 

 

And the next big in the overclocking world is the "high hangin" single thread performance crown. And I expect Arrow Lake without any HT (dead) will rumble in that type benchmark battle. 

 

AMD Ryzen 7 9700X Takes On 7.1GHz Core i9-14900K In Single-Threaded Benchmark Battle

 

Intel Thermal Velocity boost and AMD's Precision Boost Overdrive is what the modern gamers will take max advantage of for this type oc'ing single core race.

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

And the next big in the overclocking world is the "high hangin" single thread performance crown. And I expect Arrow Lake without any HT (dead) will rumble in that type benchmark battle. 

 

AMD Ryzen 7 9700X Takes On 7.1GHz Core i9-14900K In Single-Threaded Benchmark Battle

 

Intel Thermal Velocity boost and AMD's Precision Boost Overdrive is what the modern gamers will take max advantage of for this type oc'ing single core race.

Yeah, that's really sad. The focus has been gravitating toward single core performance for a while now and I truly don't care about that. It is just so dumbed down and pathetic. Oh wait... that's actually the goal now. When I see talk about it I am like yeah, whatever... you guys are stupid and that's not my problem. Show me software and games that I use every day all day that run well (if at all) and only use just one core and then maybe I will pay attention for more than 30 seconds. But, the sheeple love it I guess. Sucks to be them.

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Not sure what the delay is with ASUS. The shipping label for returning my motherboard was created after the repair was finished on 9/13 and they gave me the tracking number, but FedEx still doesn't have possession of it and there is no ETA, just "label created" for the status.

[Mr. Fox]

So, when the motherboard is returned I am going to rebuild in an Antec C8 case. I absolutely love the Lian Li O11 Dynamic XL EVO case and the Antec C8 is extremely close to the same design and size. It is like one inch shorter and the front I/O in a different position, but the basic design and size is like a knock-off in many respects. The C8 doesn't have as many features for configuration options, but the standard build configuration is remarkably similar. I almost ordered another Lian Li case, but the C8 was like $108 versus $235 for another black O11 XL EVO.

 

The be quiet! Dark Base Pro 901 is an amazing case by every measurement, but it takes up more space and I prefer the dual chamber design over the PSU basement design. Wider versus taller and all the crap hidden in back is just a better approach. I am sure I can sell the Dark Base Pro 901 locally for enough to cover the cost of the C8.

 

Grabbing the O11 Dynamic XL EVO to flip it over and lay it on its back to work on it is easy, but the Dark Base Pro is so tall and heavy you need a lot of extra space to do that. It is like making a U-turn in a long wheelbase crew cab pickup versus a regular cab short bed.

 

Part of me wants to go back to the Praxis Wetbench. I love the open bench the most, but it's such a dust magnet in comparison that I am always reluctant when I start remembering how hard it was to keep clean looking. Horizonal motherboard orientation is just way better than vertical. The dust here in the desert is actually very fine sand, so it is extremely abrasive and gritty and keeping as much of that off the motherboard and GPU as possible is preferred. It scratches finishes and gets into every crack and crevice. (You do not want a dark colored vehicle here for that reason. It ends up looking very haggard and dull due to fine sand scratches when it is still relatively new.)

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CP3MZXVH?th=1

 

 

To save space I use two carts like this now. The white Apex with the chiller is on this cart. The other has the tower on the bottom and the radiator and pumps on top. However, the Dark Base Pro is so tall it almost touches the adjustable shelf on top where the radiator is sitting.

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09SCYSFP9?th=1

 

 
 

[electrosoft]

Example of how much WoW loves X3D.....

 

This is the same testing I've been doing from turning each CCD off/on to comparisons to both active and confirming proper sleeping. His results are right in line especially at 4k (which he is testing) and a 4090 really makes the gap even wider I've found even at 4k. His tests are on a 6950XT w/ RT disabled. As long as you turn RT off, AMD cards are pretty beastly in WoW.

 

 

 

[ryan]

no raytracing maxed 4k..80-120fps

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

no raytracing maxed 4k..80-120fps

 

All the non Shadowlands / Dragon isles / The War Within zones use the older (circa 2009 and older) textures and renders and the way its designed the older the zone is, the more useless newer/better hardware gets as it runs into engine caps/limitation issues similar to Fallout's engine (FO's engine is so bad, if you hit >=175+ fps, it will start to interrupt your movements). They don't scale like CS's engine does.

 

The engine was overhauled and updated for Battle for Azeroth and then Shadowlands->Dragon Isles->The War Within continue to enhance upon it.

 

This is also why I get irritated with YT'ers who go, "Ok, now let's see how WoW performs with my new XYZ setup...oh wowzers, I'm getting 300fps+!! This thing must run on a tin can!"

 

You will usually find me and maybe a few other WoW players in the comments letting them know the old content can be run on just about anything but they need to step into at least Shadowlands and go take a stroll around Ardenweald or step into Dragon Isles and visit Valdrakken and watch their rigs suddenly start gasping for air.

 

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The wonderful thing about WoW, though is does scale up and down really nicely.  Even in new content, you can drop your settings down and get a very playable game on a 3060. When I was initially testing my 14900KS setup, I used my spare 3060ti (because it fit inside my test case), and scaling down accordingly, I had no problems zipping around playing at 1080 in the newer content. 4k was a bit more rough though.

 

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You should keep playing and level a toon to 50 for Shadowlands, 60 for Dragon Isles or 70 for TWW. Alternatively, if you really want to test some of the newer content sooner than later, buy a level 70 boost.

 

 

 

 

[ryan]

oh ok, that answers something ive wondered. My old best friend plays it alot and well I wondered if the expansions improved textures and poly models. interesting, pretty big game, I don't mind lowering settings but will I be able to get the general look of ultra or will it look awful. some games you can lower settings quite low and still maintain the gist of it and have it look pretty outstanding, farcry 3 for example looks great on all low, I get 100fps on low 4k and at ultra around 40fps huge hit for a small gain, and im not attacking the point...some people pay alot for that added crispness in image others dont mind slightly worse graphics. im level 10 or somehting right now, its going to take a while to level up to 70 haha....couple decades at my rate.

[win32asmguy]

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

This is also why I get irritated with YT'ers who go, "Ok, now let's see how WoW performs with my new XYZ setup...oh wowzers, I'm getting 300fps+!! This thing must run on a tin can!"

 

I have seen plenty of systems that seem to run fine idling in an outdoor zone but have issues keeping framerates over 30fps during a raid or world boss. Unfortunately getting a character to a place to test those scenarios is much more time investment than a reviewer wants to spend on a single game. It also does not take into account addon performance issues either.

 

The X3D chip does work very well for the WoW engine. Process Lasso is a great tool for managing process affinity and certainly more consistent than using the Game Bar.

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

Process Lasso is a great tool for managing process affinity and certainly more consistent than using the Game Bar.

I have been using it for years. Bitsum is one of those rare companies with ethics. They do not "rent" their software or expect their customers to repeatedly buy the same product over and over. Buy once, use it forever, with free updates for life. As it should be. I also use ParkControl (from the same company) and consider it essential because Windoze (especially Winduhz XI) has a very nasty fetish for parking cores to save power and prioritizing low power consumption over performance. The OS is a real piece of crap that is built to treat everything like a turdbook, tablet or smartphone.  

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

I have seen plenty of systems that seem to run fine idling in an outdoor zone but have issues keeping framerates over 30fps during a raid or world boss. Unfortunately getting a character to a place to test those scenarios is much more time investment than a reviewer wants to spend on a single game. It also does not take into account addon performance issues either.

 

The X3D chip does work very well for the WoW engine. Process Lasso is a great tool for managing process affinity and certainly more consistent than using the Game Bar.

 

Absolutely. Even Blizzard knows "with or without" player data/FX is massive. They have that option for Raid settings in the graphics menu because anywhere there are lots of players along with spell/FX calculations, the CPU gets a major workout and fps dive along with GPU loads.

 

Project Lasso (PL) really is a fantastic tool not only for AMD but Intel and those pesky e-cores.

 

Early on, PL was basically the only way I could run a 7950X3D both CCDs enabled and not have WoW (and other games) drift onto the non X3D cores and take a hit. Recently, I've been testing a lot between PL, X3D CCD only and GB only and I'm not really seeing much of a difference but I want to take those tests into the new raids where the CPU takes a pounding.

 

I also found for Raids, Cities and ORBs that optimizing your memory makes a pretty significant difference especially on Intel systems for the lows. Timings > Frequency (but try to have your cake and eat it too).

 

In the end, Blizzard really needs to overhaul the engine again and make it truly multithreaded versus the now dual threaded-ish nature it works which is a major upgrade over the single threaded nature it had for almost 15 years.

 

11 hours ago, ryan said:

oh ok, that answers something ive wondered. My old best friend plays it alot and well I wondered if the expansions improved textures and poly models. interesting, pretty big game, I don't mind lowering settings but will I be able to get the general look of ultra or will it look awful. some games you can lower settings quite low and still maintain the gist of it and have it look pretty outstanding, farcry 3 for example looks great on all low, I get 100fps on low 4k and at ultra around 40fps huge hit for a small gain, and im not attacking the point...some people pay alot for that added crispness in image others dont mind slightly worse graphics. im level 10 or somehting right now, its going to take a while to level up to 70 haha....couple decades at my rate.

 

It can get pretty rough once you get to level 7ish and lower but for me my priority is always distance view and resolution first then I flesh out everything else.

 

 

New content with my array of laptops (some of these will need to go soon lol. My collection is grown again):

 

My NH55 with the 12900k golden chip, pair of the killer binned OLOY DDR4 sticks and 3070ti handles it well enough at 1080p. I can run Level 10. If a custom BIOS eventually shows up, first thing I would do is tighten up the memory even more and dial in the 12900k even higher. I'd love to get this SP109 14900ks in there with a killer 0.969v 4300mhz V/F point.

 

My Dell G15 with 13650HX + 4050 does 1080p pretty decently and sits around setting 8

My Acer Nitro 5 w/ AMD 7535HS (glorified 5600x) + 4050 does 1080p around the same setting-ish but the 7535HS struggles compared to the 12900K and 13650HX

My Asus notebooks with Ultra 155h/185h and 3050 not so much and I have to dial it down to level 6 at 1080p and might have to go even lower.

 

I'll need to retest all of these once I finish questing and doing the normal campaign. With Fallout 76 new content/season and WoW new Xpac, I've been playing a bit of each everyday so my journey is taking longer (albeit I'm level 80 in WoW already).

 

 

 

 

 

[win32asmguy]

33 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I also found for Raids, Cities and ORBs that optimizing your memory makes a pretty significant difference especially on Intel systems for the lows. Timings > Frequency (but try to have your cake and eat it too).

 

Yeah I have been working on memory timings. Bricked it the other day changing memory context restore so has to spend time getting it restored instead of tuning.

[ryan]

@Papusan Bro, whats your favorite part of WOW. I heard your quite the gamer, I can't imagine how many hours youv'e logged. lol. joking but seriously I wish I could change my memory timings or overclock it even 100mhz, everythings locked down. I wonder if their will be a WOW 2 with next gen graphics and even bigger worlds like I mean the game has been out for what 2 decades>?

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

@Papusan Bro, whats your favorite part of WOW. I heard your quite the gamer, I can't imagine how many hours youv'e logged. lol. joking but seriously I wish I could change my memory timings or overclock it even 100mhz, everythings locked down. I wonder if their will be a WOW 2 with next gen graphics and even bigger worlds like I mean the game has been out for what 2 decades>?

 

"WoW 2" was a game in development for years called/code named Titan but they ended up turning that into Overwatch as WoW just seemed indefatigable at the time. WoW is still a monster, but nothing even close to the soaring heights of The Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Lich King releases where I remember camping out for my copies and everyone being crazy excited. Wrath of the Lich King was perfection and then we got Cataclysm and things started to decline....

 

After that, it became very Microsoft in that one would be good then the next would be trash.

 

Vanilla? Epic

The Burning Crusade? Good

Wrath of the Lich King? Epic

Cataclysm? Not so good.

Mists of Pandaria? Good

Warlords of Draenor? Absolute trash ( I stopped playing this one)

Legion? Epic

Battle for Azeroth? Not so good

Shadowlands? Very good

Dragonflight? Almost as bad as Warlords (I actually quit this one for over a year it was so boring)

The War Within? If it follows the pattern, it should be good. So far, I'm enjoying it.

 

In terms of my favorites:

 

1. Vanilla

2. Legion

3. Wrath of the Lich King

4. Shadowlands

5. The Burning Crusade

6. Mists of Pandaria

7.  Battle for Azeroth

8. Dragonflight

9. Cataclysm

10. Warlords of Draenor

 

The way WoW is now, if you're a new player, you can level 1-50 in a previous Xpac. It makes the game fun if you want to level alts and try an Xpac/era you maybe missed.

 

Fallout 76 just lumps everything together so all it's expansion content and such just integrates and flows seamlessly.

 

 

[ryan]

Thanks for sharing that, I might give it a go..never hurts to have another game.

 

@Clamibot I bought the LS app and cant for the life of me get playable latency. it is like a 1-2second delay in movements. Im downloading horizon 5 right now to check out the FG mod vs LS too see if they are doing the same thing, thing is even if the latency was acceptable(vsync) the image quality doesn't appear to be good, alot of artifacting in which case I could buy a program to lower resolution to 480p and have a smoother  experience and great visuals. what are people using this mod for and is it possible my laptop has something configured wrong?