*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

Intel needed a win. And that become Cinebench. But forgot the main target for Core Ultra... The gamers. The non K versions for office etc will come out  early next year. They really created a disaster with this new core design. Can't be because of the goal was reducing Cpu temps for the P-cores. Because Intel increased Max Operating Temperature to 105 °C for this gen chips. 

 

Intel Core Ultra 9 285K performs better in games with fewer active cores: almost 8% improvement in Cyberpunk 2077

Since the presentation of Arrow Lake-S as an architecture and after knowing many of its ins and outs, later after the reviews, we speculated that the RingBus and access to the IMC from the Tile SoC were a determining problem in the...

 

And it seems Intel go all in for Chiplet design forwards... This is the best way to cut costs.

 

Intel Files a Patent For “Disaggregated GPU” Design, Are We Going To See “True” Multi-Chiplet GPUs Soon?

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Intel needed a win. And that become Cinebench. But forgot the main target for Core Ultra... The gamers. The non K versions for office etc will come out  early next year. They really created a disaster with this new core design. Can't be because of the goal was reducing Cpu temps for the P-cores. Because Intel increased Max Operating Temperature to 105 °C for this gen chips. 

 

Intel Core Ultra 9 285K performs better in games with fewer active cores: almost 8% improvement in Cyberpunk 2077

Since the presentation of Arrow Lake-S as an architecture and after knowing many of its ins and outs, later after the reviews, we speculated that the RingBus and access to the IMC from the Tile SoC were a determining problem in the...

 

And it seems Intel go all in for Chiplet design forwards... This is the best way to cut costs.

 

Intel Files a Patent For “Disaggregated GPU” Design, Are We Going To See “True” Multi-Chiplet GPUs Soon?

All of these comparisons between 285K and the 5.7-6.0Ghz 14900K. I can only assume my last setup with the 5.9-6.2Ghz 14900KS, DDR5 8600C36, would absolutely rail road the 285K 🤣lol. I had the chips ring at 5.3Ghz. And it was tuned up nicely. 
 

Not to mention Newegg just had these 14900KS for $439.99. So hard to buy a 285K. I definitely don’t regret my decision to skip the platform. 

ebay polyhedral dice

[Papusan]

11 hours ago, tps3443 said:

All of these comparisons between 285K and the 5.7-6.0Ghz 14900K. I can only assume my last setup with the 5.9-6.2Ghz 14900KS, DDR5 8600C36, would absolutely rail road the 285K 🤣lol. I had the chips ring at 5.3Ghz. And it was tuned up nicely. 
 

Not to mention Newegg just had these 14900KS for $439.99. So hard to buy a 285K. I definitely don’t regret my decision to skip the platform. 

ebay polyhedral dice

 

I was ready to click the purchase button (Z890 Apex and the 9 285K). But as usual I check everywhere and everything before I buy. All warning lights flashed red in every review. Almost as I was blinded. Nope. Not for me this time. Intel screwed up. Their own faulth that They don't want my hard earned money. 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

I was ready to click the purchase button (Z890 Apex and the 9 285K). But as usual I check everywhere and everything before I buy. All warning lights flashed red in every review. Almost as I was blinded. Nope. Not for me this time. Intel screwed up. Their own faulth that hey don't want my hard earned money.  

 

 

There seem to be none in the US. At $630 it is a grossly overpriced ripoff on a downgrade. It should be priced the same or less than last gen 24 thread, not same as last gen 32 thread. They're probably counting on the newer is better early adopter people to jump on it at any price no matter how absurd, because that is how silly people roll,  rather than pricing it based on logic and equity.

[electrosoft]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

There seem to be none in the US. At $630 it is a grossly overpriced ripoff on a downgrade. It should be priced the same or less than last gen 24 thread, not same as last gen 32 thread. They're probably counting on the newer is better early adopter people to jump on it at any price no matter how absurd, because that is how silly people roll,  rather than pricing it based on logic and equity.

 

It could be the worst product in the world, certified and most always sell out on launch for at least a month or so and then supply catches up. Next thing you know, there is an abundant supply and then the prices trend down.

 

Some just can't wait. They have to have it NOW NOW NOW. Some are even willing to overpay by a pretty disgusting amount versus wait a few months at most.

 

I will never understand this mentality.

 

14 hours ago, tps3443 said:

All of these comparisons between 285K and the 5.7-6.0Ghz 14900K. I can only assume my last setup with the 5.9-6.2Ghz 14900KS, DDR5 8600C36, would absolutely rail road the 285K 🤣lol. I had the chips ring at 5.3Ghz. And it was tuned up nicely. 
 

Not to mention Newegg just had these 14900KS for $439.99. So hard to buy a 285K. I definitely don’t regret my decision to skip the platform. 

ebay polyhedral dice

 

I'm definitely not writing the 285k off by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just taking a wait and see approach while I finish selling off some hardware (75% sold off by this point) and hunker down for the potential 5090 pricing onslaught if I decide to pick one up.

 

I think even in its best light down the road, the 285k will at best beat the 14900K/KS stock for stock in many if not most productivity applications and if they can sort out scheduling/latency issues it will trade blows in gaming. We've already seen it beat every CPU, including X3D, in Starfield so the potential is there. I'm of the mindset it can only get better as we continue to explore the CPU and learn its nuances and quirks along with Intel , MB makers and M$ continuing to provide updates.

 

It is new enough and different enough that it is definitely on my radar for a pick up as I'll have two clear workbench cases itching for something in them sooner than later. My curiosity lies with APO+WoW along with those Starfield results and how that would translate to Fallout 76 performance improvements and subsequently general tinkering and some chip/memory OC because that's fun.

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

LOOL. Intel have created a monster chips😁 The whole value of this gen chips is the baby cores, HaHa Intel going backwards into the future. They are going the Jokebook route for desktops. All is about power efficiency and AI forwards.... Why not just solder the Cpu package on the desktop motherboards as they do with laptops? The only difference bethween Jokebook chips and those for desktops is the better unlocked firmware you get in desktop motherboards. Intel don't even have to  remove overclocking features for chips used in Jokebooks. Just let their board partners lock everything in bios. A signing key is god's saviour. Can't be easier than this. 

 

 

 

 

[Clamibot]

So I got the Asus XG309CM, and I'm absolutely loving the 220 Hz refresh rate. It's so smooth! Significant improvement over 144 Hz in smoothness and it's starting to get close to looking like real life in terms of motion smoothness. My original reason for getting one is so I can have a flat ultrawide screen since I hate curved screens, and having used a curved ultrawide screen for a while, this flat ultrawide is far better. It's much more comfortable to look at since there's no image distortion (since there's no curve, yay!).

 

Unfortunately because I have now adjusted to the 220 Hz refresh rate and really like its smoothness, my performance requirements have gone up yet again. However, this means I may have a use for dual GPU rigs again, which will be fun to play around with. Lossless Scaling works with a multi GPU setup, so you can render your game with one GPU and then run Lossless Scaling's frame gen on a different GPU. It's essentially like SLI/Crossfire, but better since you get superlinear scaling in most cases (since the frame gen generally takes significantly less processing power than actually rendering a frame), and it works in pretty much any game. The only caveat is input lag, but you probably won't be bothered by it much if your raw framerate is already sufficiently high (in excess of 120 fps), and you will notice the increased smoothness from the higher interpolated framerate much more at this level.

 

Since there's no singular GPU powerful enough to render every game in existence at hundreds of frames a second @ ultrawide 1080p, this is my ticket to lifelike motion in all the games currently in my library, and games I'll be playing in the future. This kind of setup will be especially useful when I inevitably move onto even higher refresh rate monitors (I saw a 480 Hz one, like dang!). Motion clarity at 220 fps is pretty dang good. It's super smooth, but still not as smooth as real life. I don't know what my perception limits are, but I know I'm still not there.

 

Ahh, the sweet dream of planning yet another new build. I guess we're never done here are we? I am currently satisfied with this 220 Hz monitor, but you guys know me and my extremely high requirements. You all KNOW I will eventually get an even higher refresh rate monitor because I want video games to have the exact motion clarity real life does. I demand it because for me, motion smoothness increases immersion for me much more than better colors or higher resolution. Lifelike motion smoothness or close to such is incredibly immersive to me.

[johnksss]

On 10/27/2024 at 10:18 AM, Talon said:

 

You cannot run on only E cores, check that day 1 lol. Of course I would have loved to do that testing because I love the odd tests. You can run 1P and as many E as you have. 

 

I will give Process Lasso another try, but it did not like when I began trying to force games on certain cores the other day. 

 

For now, even on my non-cleaned OS, standard 26100.2161 24H2, I've managed to somehow outscore all those with 285K with additional cores and higher clocks in TS CPU test. 

 

https://ibb.co/74yS623

 

 

I went ahead and grabbed me a 265K/Apex Z890 as well.

[Mr. Fox]

@Talon https://www.overclock.net/threads/intel-core-ultra-9-285k-arrow-lake-processor-24-cores.1812877/ 285K for sale on oc.net (new, sealed) if you're looking for one. 

 

  

9 hours ago, johnksss said:

I went ahead and grabbed me a 265K/Apex Z890 as well.

Hi Brother John. Nice to see you. I look forward to seeing what you can extract from that CPU.

[johnksss]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

@Talon https://www.overclock.net/threads/intel-core-ultra-9-285k-arrow-lake-processor-24-cores.1812877/ 285K for sale on oc.net (new, sealed) if you're looking for one. 

 

  

Hi Brother John. Nice to see you. I look forward to seeing what you can extract from that CPU.

Hey brother Fox,

I went ahead and grabbed this platform because I like the options it has standard. 2 Thunderbolt 4/USB4 down to USB 2.0. 2 USB Type C 20GBPS ports. 5 GBPS LAN to tie into my 10 Gig network. EZ M.2 latches for all motherboard drives. (Wish they gave the Dimm.2 that's included with the extreme version as that one is completely toolless) EZ PCIE Slots. (No more button) Thunderbolt share. Wifi 7.

 

As to the performance... Hopefully, that will pick up before our Microcenter gets in the new 285K's So I can swap this one out. I won't have my 4090 much longer as it's coming up on its two-year warranty so I will get rid of it before that time. So will be just running something like a 4060 until they come out with the 5090 or maybe another 4090 as a placeholder.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, johnksss said:

Hey brother Fox,

I went ahead and grabbed this platform because I like the options it has standard. 2 Thunderbolt 4/USB4 down to USB 2.0. 2 USB Type C 20GBPS ports. 5 GBPS LAN to tie into my 10 Gig network. EZ M.2 latches for all motherboard drives. (Wish they gave the Dimm.2 that's included with the extreme version as that one is completely toolless) EZ PCIE Slots. (No more button) Thunderbolt share. Wifi 7.

 

As to the performance... Hopefully, that will pick up before our Microcenter gets in the new 285K's So I can swap this one out. I won't have my 4090 much longer as it's coming up on its two-year warranty so I will get rid of it before that time. So will be just running something like a 4060 until they come out with the 5090 or maybe another 4090 as a placeholder.

 

 

Based on the limited sample size I have seen, it looks like that might be a good one.  Even though the design of the new tiled CPUs and low core count leaves a lot to be desired, the Z890 platform seems to have a lot of things going for it. 

[johnksss]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Based on the limited sample size I have seen, it looks like that might be a good one.  Even though the design of the new tiled CPUs and low core count leaves a lot to be desired, the Z890 platform seems to have a lot of things going for it. 

Hummm, so SP79 is okay then?

 

True. Performance on a whole is not topping everything that's for sure, but I like the new upgrades to the platform though. So that's what is driving my purchase. Along with I need my motherboard to be from Microcenter as my Z790 Apex came from Asus.

[Mr. Fox]

32 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Hummm, so SP79 is okay then?

 

True. Performance on a whole is not topping everything that's for sure, but I like the new upgrades to the platform though. So that's what is driving my purchase. Along with I need my motherboard to be from Microcenter as my Z790 Apex came from Asus.

From what I have seen on oc.net that is better than many. Not a lot of examples yet,  but SP ratings are all seeming to be low numbers so far. Probably makes more sense to look at voltage values on the VF curve.

[Papusan]

On 10/23/2024 at 5:31 AM, Talon said:

 

My global SP was 80. P 88 and E 74. I guess that is pretty common from what they're seeing even on 285K with some back and forth messages I had with someone else that likely is in the know. 

 

 

2 hours ago, johnksss said:

Hummm, so SP79 is okay then?

 

True. Performance on a whole is not topping everything that's for sure, but I like the new upgrades to the platform though. So that's what is driving my purchase. Along with I need my motherboard to be from Microcenter as my Z790 Apex came from Asus.

 

Hi bro John. Long time since I have seen you on the forum. Hope all is well.

 

Above you can see bro @Talon's 265K (around similar as yours).  

[Talon]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

 

Hi bro John. Long time since I have seen you on the forum. Hope all is well.

 

Above you can see bro @Talon's 265K (around similar as yours).  

 

Yes almost identical actually. Mine is SP80 with a tad better SP P88 but same exact E74. My ring is 56 I believe but my MC is 62? I can't remember, not home unfortunately. I had almost no time with my new 285K to really tune it, but it booted my existing 265K settings. 

 

265K has better latency on the order of 2-3ns, just because of core count or arrangement. And actually in a quick Cyberpunk 2077 bench, it actually scored about 3-4fps higher on 265K. However, in Hogwarts, the 285K absolutely decimated the 265K, like not even close. I was shocked at the difference in performance and smoothness. So latency ain't all it. I'll be home on Sunday to get a lot more testing in, very interested to see what I can tune this new chip to. 

 

@johnksss I ran my 265K at daily of 57, 57, 56, 56, 55, 55, 54, 54 and E cores at 48x. Cache at 41x. D2D at 35x and NGU at 33x. Then 8533 C38 using the built in memory presets for 2x24gb SK Hynix M-Die. But I only need 1.435 VDD VDDQ DRAM and I used auto IMC and SA. This got me around 130K read, write, copy and 63-65ns latency in AIDA. 

 

Make sure you updated to latest 24H2 26100.2161 and latest beta BIOS 0092 or 0016 on the Raptor Lake Resources page for the Apex.  (Actually it's now been updated by Shamino to 9901 today). He's been making fixes and improvements to latency and issues almost daily it seems. He's a machine.

 

https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/intel-800-series/arrowlake-resources/td-p/1051570

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

50 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Yes almost identical actually. Mine is SP80 with a tad better SP P88 but same exact E74. My ring is 56 I believe but my MC is 62? I can't remember, not home unfortunately. I had almost no time with my new 285K to really tune it, but it booted my existing 265K settings. 

 

265K has better latency on the order of 2-3ns, just because of core count or arrangement. And actually in a quick Cyberpunk 2077 bench, it actually scored about 3-4fps higher on 265K. However, in Hogwarts, the 285K absolutely decimated the 265K, like not even close. I was shocked at the difference in performance and smoothness. So latency ain't all it. I'll be home on Sunday to get a lot more testing in, very interested to see what I can tune this new chip to. 

 

@johnksss I ran my 265K at daily of 57, 57, 56, 56, 55, 55, 54, 54 and E cores at 48x. Cache at 41x. D2D at 35x and NGU at 33x. Then 8533 C38 using the built in memory presets for 2x24gb SK Hynix M-Die. But I only need 1.435 VDD VDDQ DRAM and I used auto IMC and SA. This got me around 130K read, write, copy and 63-65ns latency in AIDA. 

 

Make sure you updated to latest 24H2 26100.2161 and latest beta BIOS 0092 or 0016 on the Raptor Lake Resources page for the Apex.  (Actually it's now been updated by Shamino to 9901 today). He's been making fixes and improvements to latency and issues almost daily it seems. He's a machine.

 

https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/intel-800-series/arrowlake-resources/td-p/1051570

 

 

Have you had the opportunity to install and test the 285K from Provantage yet? Or was it delivered while you were on a trip? (Curious what the 285K SP ratings looked like. I will check to see if you already posted it.)

[johnksss]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

Hi bro John. Long time since I have seen you on the forum. Hope all is well.

 

Above you can see bro @Talon's 265K (around similar as yours).  

All is good @Papusan Just taking the new one for a test spin as it has some options I like over the last gens offerings.

Thanks, I'll take a look.

 

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

Yes almost identical actually. Mine is SP80 with a tad better SP P88 but same exact E74. My ring is 56 I believe but my MC is 62? I can't remember, not home unfortunately. I had almost no time with my new 285K to really tune it, but it booted my existing 265K settings. 

 

265K has better latency on the order of 2-3ns, just because of core count or arrangement. And actually in a quick Cyberpunk 2077 bench, it actually scored about 3-4fps higher on 265K. However, in Hogwarts, the 285K absolutely decimated the 265K, like not even close. I was shocked at the difference in performance and smoothness. So latency ain't all it. I'll be home on Sunday to get a lot more testing in, very interested to see what I can tune this new chip to. 

 

@johnksss I ran my 265K at daily of 57, 57, 56, 56, 55, 55, 54, 54 and E cores at 48x. Cache at 41x. D2D at 35x and NGU at 33x. Then 8533 C38 using the built in memory presets for 2x24gb SK Hynix M-Die. But I only need 1.435 VDD VDDQ DRAM and I used auto IMC and SA. This got me around 130K read, write, copy and 63-65ns latency in AIDA. 

 

Make sure you updated to latest 24H2 26100.2161 and latest beta BIOS 0092 or 0016 on the Raptor Lake Resources page for the Apex.  (Actually it's now been updated by Shamino to 9901 today). He's been making fixes and improvements to latency and issues almost daily it seems. He's a machine.

 

https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/intel-800-series/arrowlake-resources/td-p/1051570

 

 

So you have to run the new Windows 24H2 for these new CPUs to show any gains? Wow.

 

I'm still on 0503 so I will flash the latest from Shamino in a little bit.

 

Here is what I got running G.Skills 8400 XMP Tweaked no other adjustments other than changing the multiplier.

 

Nice, I may try that when I fire up Throne and Liberty in a little while.

I guess before I go any further I will go and update the bios and report back.

 

[tps3443]

There is something so fun about overclocking lots of ram, I think whenever I do get back in to a DDR5 platform again, I’ll definitely be running some dub side sticks like 2x48GB. 

[cylix]

Wait for the discounts. Looks like this cpus will not save Intel from their money troubles.

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-hasnt-sold-a-single-arrow-lake-cpu-at-germanys-largest-retailer-core-ultra-200s-sales-stagnate-after-just-one-week

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, cylix said:

Wait for the discounts. Looks like this cpus will not save Intel from their money troubles.

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-hasnt-sold-a-single-arrow-lake-cpu-at-germanys-largest-retailer-core-ultra-200s-sales-stagnate-after-just-one-week

 

OUCH lol....

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, tps3443 said:

There is something so fun about overclocking lots of ram, I think whenever I do get back in to a DDR5 platform again, I’ll definitely be running some dub side sticks like 2x48GB. 

You are looking through rose colored glasses with that HEDT hexachannel beast. 4-DIMM DDR5 may improve a little bit, but it will always be inferior to 2-DIMM, frustrating and a waste of time.

7 hours ago, cylix said:

Wait for the discounts. Looks like this cpus will not save Intel from their money troubles.

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-hasnt-sold-a-single-arrow-lake-cpu-at-germanys-largest-retailer-core-ultra-200s-sales-stagnate-after-just-one-week

Predictable. Nobody wanted or asked for the slower tiled turd CPUs. Almost nobody gives it a rat's ass about the efficiency and laughable overclocking. AMD has a big head start selling chiplet crap and they've been doing it long enough to prove it to be an inferior approach overall, so Intel is peeing into a headwind while pissing off almost everyone that preferred their brand in the process. Seeing them do this tiled/fabric nonsense in spite of seeing how it turned out for AMD isn't exactly confidence-inspiring.

 

I wonder if they haven't sold any because they don't have any to sell. I find it hard to believe nobody in Germany would not buy it if it were available for purchase. Being inferior has never stopped some people before, even when they are in the minority in terms of acceptance. I could see some valuing the Z890 platform more than the downgraded CPU product lineup.

 

Then there are guys like Wendell at L1 saying how good Core Ultra is because of the good compute performance and massive power reduction, only lackluster performance because of Winduhz 11 (no thread scheduling issues on Linux). He has praised the same power efficiency thing about Ryzen and preferred them because they pulled less power. Clearly not an overclocking enthusiast, but at least his perspective remains consistent.

[tps3443]

9 hours ago, cylix said:

Wait for the discounts. Looks like this cpus will not save Intel from their money troubles.

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-hasnt-sold-a-single-arrow-lake-cpu-at-germanys-largest-retailer-core-ultra-200s-sales-stagnate-after-just-one-week

very unfortunate 
 

 

I’ll buy one 285K to just sit it on the shelf to

“help save the whales foundation”. The whale being Intel lol. 😆   they are all sold out though.

[Mr. Fox]

54 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

very unfortunate 
 

 

I’ll buy one 285K to just sit it on the shelf to

“help save the whales foundation”. The whale being Intel lol. 😆   they are all sold out though.

I think they don't have enough to sell is the primary issue. But, this isn't the first time we have seen this from Intel, AMD or NVIDIA. Being sold out isn't an accomplishment when supply is insufficient to meet demand, not to mention that is fosters scalping and overpricing. 

I think in this case they might have anticipated the decreased stock turbo clock speeds, poor overclocking and lower core/thread count and removal of hyperthreading would be poorly received by many and the poor availability could be a calculated and deliberate move to avoid having excessive stock sitting on store shelves. Since they have farmed out the chiplet/tiled abortion to TSMC they need to be even more careful that production doesn't outstrip demand and force them to lower prices or sell product at a loss.

[tps3443]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think they don't have enough to sell is the primary issue. But, this isn't the first time we have seen this from Intel, AMD or NVIDIA. Being sold out isn't an accomplishment when supply is insufficient to meet demand, not to mention that is fosters scalping and overpricing. 

I think in this case they might have anticipated the decreased stock turbo clock speeds, poor overclocking and lower core/thread count and removal of hyperthreading would be poorly received by many and the poor availability could be deliberate move to avoid having excessive stock sitting on store shelves. Since they have farmed out the chiplet/tiled abortion to TSMC they need to be even more careful that production doesn't outstrip demand and force them to lower prices or sell product at a loss.

That makes sense. Anything popular made by TSMC is going to be pretty limited. Makes me miss the old days. I think it would be great if Intel still launched the 14901KE.

[Mr. Fox]

25 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

That makes sense. Anything popular made by TSMC is going to be pretty limited. Makes me miss the old days. I think it would be great if Intel still launched the 14901KE.

Yes.  Seems like a trend whenever next gen parts hit store shelves. Was an issue with most recent Intel, AMD and NVIDIA product launches. It is usually the flagship or halo SKU that is most affected. I think demand is never as massive as the media plays it to be, but low supply gives the impression of high demand and creates a feeling of success that may be exaggerated and more perception than reality. It does seem like supply is often an issue when TSMC is involved as well. Supply of low- and mid-range components (where poor silicon quality is less of a factor) is always better because they know the sheeple like cheap and they produce more of the cheap stuff for the zombie horde.

 

If there was a 14th Gen CPU with 16 hyperthreaded P cores (32 thread) or a 15th Gen Z890 option that was equivalent P-cores (32 thread) and no tiled feces I would jump on either one in a heartbeat. Heck, I would even consider a monolithic 15th Gen with 32 E-cores and not even one P-core since the new E-cores overclock better than the crappy new Arrow Lake P-cores do. It is the hybrid/tiled/chiplet/fabric nonsense that sucks the most. Rubbish.