*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

11 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Thats really awesome! So long story short, friend of mine found a few of these for-sale  from a guy he knows, and this guy has these below, my friend was trying to work out the deets for us to each get one. I was leaning toward one of the SP101 chips.

 

SP89

SP92

SP99

SP101

SP101

SP105

SP106

SP107

SP116.

 

Oddly enough the SP89 was actually the best VFcurve wise and cache OC prediction in the whole pack 🤷‍♂️. 
 

I can only imagine how good one of these is. Below is a SP84 or SP85 (10850K) that I sold to @Mr. Fox a while back and that chip was A pure BEAST for being just a 10850K lol. So I’m dying to test an SP100+ LTX Golden sample 10900K. 😎

 

 

 

When I had my Z590 boards and X170SM/X170KM, binning 10900k's was a pure joy including the LTX sample I had. Best easily was still that Silicon Lottery used chip I picked up off of eBay. That thing was a cool running monster in the laptops and did 5.4 on the desktop rock solid with an AIO.

 

3 hours ago, cylix said:

Looks like Asrock entered the PSU Market. The OEM behind  should be seasonic.

 

https://www.vortez.net/news_story/asrock_enters_power_supply_market_with_its_lineup_of_atx_3_1_and_pcie_5_1_compliant_psus.html

 

Asrock continues to grow and impress....

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think they are the brand to watch now. I'd love to see them displace A$$zeus in the mobo, GPU and PSU space. They've come a very long way in the past 2 or 3 years.

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Winduhz 11 just cannot overtake Windoze 10. It's getting close, but it's not quite there. Nor shall it ever be.

 

Agreed. They seem to be leaving the sad days of the Taichi Z3XX days behind. They were atrocious. All my recent dealing with their motherboards and video cards are have been solid. I'm still tempted to pick up an Asrock 7900XTX Taichi.

 

9950x looking good! What's the ETA on the delid?

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

9950x looking good! What's the ETA on the delid?

I just got a FedEx tracking number today from Thermal Grizzly, so I will likely do the delid within a week or so. It will be interesting to see what kind of difference it makes. Right now I have pushed it as far as I can on the 9950X overclock due to thermal issues. I left the window open all night with everything turned off in the office. It was 48°F in my office when I fired it up for that Cinebench run, so it could run a little bit higher turbo clock. What I don't know (yet) is whether 5.4GHz all-core is only thermally limited or if the CPU silicon quality is tapped out. The voltage under load isn't bad (like 1.225V) at 54x32 (equal on both CCDs) but the temps sure are. The 13900KS/14900KS/KF would be like 1.150V and 65-70°C at 54xP/45xE instead of 100°C. Ryzen is a very different critter. I am not sure why it runs as hot as it does at a comparatively low clock speed and voltage. Maybe it is because the CCDs and IHS are so small in comparison. I was surprised by how small the 9950X is comared to a 14900K. The thermal density is very compact, so the higher temperatures are possibly logical. Even idle temperatures seem higher.

  

What is interesting, and very different, if the 9950X crashes in Cinebench R23 due to heat or voltage too low and I run it again it completes with like 50% of the normal score, but the clocks and voltage show the same. It doesn't throttle the clocks, but it is like there is an internal safety mechanism kicking in to throttle the performance to 50% of normal. Rebooting corrects it, but closing and reopening Cinebench does not. Not saying that is bad or good, just an interesting observation.

15 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I can only imagine how good one of these is. Below is a SP84 or SP85 (10850K) that I sold to @Mr. Fox a while back and that chip was A pure BEAST for being just a 10850K lol. So I’m dying to test an SP100+ LTX Golden sample 10900K. 😎

Now @Reciever is the proud owner of that CPU.

[electrosoft]

9800X3D back in stock at newegg.

 

Singles already sold out but combos still available as of 4:50PM 11/18/2024

 

 

I managed to snag a single to test/play on my already pre-existing AM5 rig as the "How will WoW do and will it have chunk/cache/dip issues like the 7800X3D/7950X3D" question/itch just won't go away. I'm so used to WoW now on the 14900KS and near zero chunking (nothing you can do when zoning into populated areas/towns and all that player data) that if it is still there, it will stick out like a sore thumb.

 

Plan on doing several tests with the first gen M-die 2x16GB and then current A-die 2x32GB both tuned along with tuning up the 9800X3D and testing the IMC / PBOvStatic and all that fun stuff.

 

EDIT: 7:39pm they're all gone including all the combos with what I consider garbage boards and AIOs.

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

9800X3D back in stock at newegg.

 

Singles already sold out but combos still available as of 4:50PM 11/18/2024

 

I managed to snag a single to test/play on my already pre-existing AM5 rig as the "How will WoW do and will it have chunk/cache/dip issues like the 7800X3D/7950X3D" question/itch just won't go away. I'm so used to WoW now on the 14900KS and near zero chunking (nothing you can do when zoning into populated areas/towns and all that player data) that if it is still there, it will stick out like a sore thumb.

 

Plan on doing several tests with the first gen M-die 2x16GB and then current A-die 2x32GB both tuned along with tuning up the 9800X3D and testing the IMC / PBOvStatic and all that fun stuff.

I think we are always going to have one Intel or AMD CPU that shines in one area and stumbles in another depending on what the scenario is. The Core Ultra crap works really good for some things, but for most games that's not one of those things it excels at. Sadly, P-core overclocking is another thing Core Ultra sucks at, and it is the exact opposite of its predecessor. The X3D chips will be better at some things, but worse at others, etc. What the dual-CCD Ryzen chips need is for both CCDs to be equal bin quality (not one good CCD and one weaker trash bin CCD) and X3D CPUs need both CCDs usable for all things at all times. To be great, dual CCD Ryzen CPUs and the new Core Ultra CPUs need to function the same way a monolithic CPU functions. The hybrid nature of all of the new processors, including 12th, 13th and 14th Gen Intel and dual CCD Ryzen processors is their Achilles Heel. Both brands have too many areas where things have been compromised for one reason or another. Having one weak CCD is not remarkably different in practical application than having E-cores next to P-cores. The outcome is compromised in either scenario.

 

Overall, I'm still favoring my LGA-1700 i9 processors for all-around use and general overclocking. But regardless of any of that, what I can say is that I am very pleased with the 9950X in general terms so far. It is a very solid, performant and dependable CPU that has none of unwelcomed misery-factor nonsense that only a fanboy could tolerate such as the case was with the 5950X abortion that ruined my day almost every day for months. Even if I don't end up liking the 9950X as much as 13900KS or 14900KF/KS I haven't encountered anything that would make me say bad things about it or recommend someone avoid buying it that is considering it. To be fair, I won't be able to render any verdict on which one I like best before the 9950X is delidded and bare die.  To be transparent, I don't love any of my Intel CPUs that much until they have been subjected to the same kind of thermal remediation. Comparing a delidded and bare die 14900KF/KS to an unmodified 9950X is not a fair comparison and like comparing apples to oranges.

[tps3443]

9 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

When I had my Z590 boards and X170SM/X170KM, binning 10900k's was a pure joy including the LTX sample I had. Best easily was still that Silicon Lottery used chip I picked up off of eBay. That thing was a cool running monster in the laptops and did 5.4 on the desktop rock solid with an AIO.

 

 

Asrock continues to grow and impress....

 

 

Agreed. They seem to be leaving the sad days of the Taichi Z3XX days behind. They were atrocious. All my recent dealing with their motherboards and video cards are have been solid. I'm still tempted to pick up an Asrock 7900XTX Taichi.

 

9950x looking good! What's the ETA on the delid?

It’s gonna be fun! I got an LTX Gold Sample SP106 10900K. I actually ended up buying from same guy that @win32asmguy got his from on Reddit lol. Was gonna use another guy that a friend knew,  but his did not have the box or sub-zero AIO cooler, and it was more expensive, and a lower SP101. This is a build for one of my kids. Going to run it with a budget GPU. I have some newly made matched kit of 4x16GB Gskill Ares Bdie 3200cl14-14-14-34 kit to throw in it which will be perfect. I thought about going with a (2) Dimm motherboard. But I figured 2x16GB may not be enough for much longer now. 
 

This SP106 Golden 10900K was only $275.00 dollars shipped all-in, and it includes the fancy presentation Intel box, and the Coolermaster subzero ML360 360MM AIO. So it’s really cheaper than going with some random retail 10900K on eBay, which I was really surprised by. 
 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

21 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

It’s gonna be fun! I got an LTX Gold Sample SP106 10900K. I actually ended up buying from same guy that @win32asmguy got his from on Reddit lol. Was gonna use another guy that a friend knew,  but his did not have the box or sub-zero AIO cooler, and it was more expensive, and a lower SP101. This is a build for one of my kids. Going to run it with a budget GPU. I have some newly made matched kit of 4x16GB Gskill Ares Bdie 3200cl14-14-14-34 kit to throw in it which will be perfect. I thought about going with a (2) Dimm motherboard. But I figured 2x16GB may not be enough for much longer now. 
 

This SP106 Golden 10900K was only $275.00 dollars shipped all-in, and it includes the fancy presentation Intel box, and the Coolermaster subzero ML360 360MM AIO. So it’s really cheaper than going with some random retail 10900K on eBay, which I was really surprised by. 
 

 

 

That's pretty sweet. You have that TEC included. Just the CPU of that bin quality is worth what you paid for everything. Hard to believe the same Intel that made that made Core Ultra wuss-boy CPUs. Oh wait... it's not the same Intel. They've lost their way and got distracted by stupid stuff... like focusing on being more "efficient" ...yeah, efficient... that's the ticket.

 

Maybe they'll have a come to Jesus aha moment and get back on track on the next go-round. None of the people that buy their overclocking enthusiast stuff care about efficient. Come to think of it, neither do most of the gamerboyz. 

[tps3443]

21 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That's pretty sweet. You have that TEC included. Just the CPU of that bin quality is worth what you paid for everything. Hard to believe the same Intel that made that made Core Ultra wuss-boy CPUs. Oh wait... it's not the same Intel. They've lost their way and got distracted by stupid stuff... like focusing on being more "efficient" ...yeah, efficient... that's the ticket.

 

Maybe they'll have a come to Jesus aha moment and get back on track on the next go-round. None of the people that buy their overclocking enthusiast stuff care about efficient. Come to think of it, neither do most of the gamerboyz. 

It is a really good bin! The guy was selling them for $175 Gold LTX 10900K chip only SP losers (Not really losers, be below SP100 most likely). (He ran out of those) but yeah I’m pretty much done messing with the new Intel stuff, unless they release something new/different. Maybe Z990 or Z890 refresh will be interesting. It’s not that the 285K is bad, it’s just that I could predict what the experience would be like before even owning it. I closed my eyes and perceived exactly what owning a 285K would be like. And I thought… “Okay that’s pretty boring” annyways, Until then I’m playing with older fancy Skylake stuff 🤣lol.

[win32asmguy]

12 hours ago, tps3443 said:

It is a really good bin! The guy was selling them for $175 Gold LTX 10900K chip only SP losers (Not really losers, be below SP100 most likely). (He ran out of those) but yeah I’m pretty much done messing with the new Intel stuff, unless they release something new/different. Maybe Z990 or Z890 refresh will be interesting. It’s not that the 285K is bad, it’s just that I could predict what the experience would be like before even owning it. I closed my eyes and perceived exactly what owning a 285K would be like. And I thought… “Okay that’s pretty boring” annyways, Until then I’m playing with older fancy Skylake stuff 🤣lol.

 

I am glad you picked one up! I was a bit upset earlier this year that I missed being able to buy a binned chip from Silicon Lottery or otherwise and figured I would only find one on ebay at this point.

 

Arrow Lake should have just been a mobile only product. If efficiency was their intent they should have just refined it on a mobile platform until it can competitvely scale in a desktop. It should also not be locked down as you ought to be able to do what you want with the product you pay for.

 

Sapphire Rapids sounds like it would be fun to build and tinker with. I guess its also a tile based product but maybe a better approach at it?

[Mr. Fox]

27 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

I am glad you picked one up! I was a bit upset earlier this year that I missed being able to buy a binned chip from Silicon Lottery or otherwise and figured I would only find one on ebay at this point.

 

Arrow Lake should have just been a mobile only product. If efficiency was their intent they should have just refined it on a mobile platform until it can competitvely scale in a desktop. It should also not be locked down as you ought to be able to do what you want with the product you pay for.

 

Sapphire Rapids sounds like it would be fun to build and tinker with. I guess its also a tile based product but maybe a better approach at it?

You can get really good CPU samples in the overclock.net forum marketplace and sometimes at HWBOT forum marketplace. They come up for sale often and people usually respond to "Want to Buy" posts. In fact, that is how @tps3443 got his HEDT motherboard and CPU. 

[tps3443]

7 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

I am glad you picked one up! I was a bit upset earlier this year that I missed being able to buy a binned chip from Silicon Lottery or otherwise and figured I would only find one on ebay at this point.

 

Arrow Lake should have just been a mobile only product. If efficiency was their intent they should have just refined it on a mobile platform until it can competitvely scale in a desktop. It should also not be locked down as you ought to be able to do what you want with the product you pay for.

 

Sapphire Rapids sounds like it would be fun to build and tinker with. I guess its also a tile based product but maybe a better approach at it?

Yeah great deal for a LTX 10900K, I do believe he has sold them all now, what do you run yours at daily? And what ram

speed? Another good thing about Intel 10th gen is you can overclock DDR4 practically just as good on (4) Dimm boards VS. a (2) Dimm XOC board, unlike Intel 12th/13th/14th/15th maybe once DDR5 reaches limits like DDR4 the cheap motherboards board will surpass ram OC as a whole like DDR4 did. As for Sapphire rapids not all are multi-tile CPU like that, but only the 3400/3500 series Xeons with Octa channel. The 2400/2500 chips are single die. Most people who want a “Do it all” go for the Xeon w2595X because it’s just one big 26/52 core die. The Xeon w3595X would fold it of course lol but since it’s a 60/120 cores glued together, it has much bigger latency hit. 
 

 

@Mr. Fox Yep! Reddit/discord is where all the unique and rare or cool stuff for sale are at. My Dominus/3175X was on discord, these LTX 10900K chips were on Reddit. Slews of good stuff on there. Unfortunately I do think HWbot FS forum is on life support at this point 🙁

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Mr. Fox Yep! Reddit/discord is where all the unique and rare or cool stuff for sale are at. My Dominus/3175X was on discord, these LTX 10900K chips were on Reddit. Slews of good stuff on there. Unfortunately I do think HWbot FS forum is on life support at this point 🙁

Well, more than their forum, I think everything about HWBOT and the sport of overclocking is being slowly killed by the hardware manufacturers that don't care or understand. And, the magnitude of apathy and ignorance on the consumer side of things will be what is ultimately responsible for things turning to dung in our hands.

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I think the new high clock DDR5 Neo (EXPO) from G.SKILL is new to market for the Zen 5 CPUs and the kit I pre-ordered at NewEgg shipped directly from the manufacturer. It was manufactured last week, LOL.

 

 

Edit: Well... this 8000 EXPO kit works waaay better for tthe Zen 5 CPU than using manually tuned XMP modules. This is zero manual tuning. Just set the XMP profile and go, and the speeds and latency are very good for no manual tuning.

 

Edited yesterday at 03:23 AM by Mr. Fox
added comments/screenshot

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, more than their forum, I think everything about HWBOT and the sport of overclocking is being slowly killed by the hardware manufacturers that don't care or understand. And, the magnitude of apathy and ignorance on the consumer side of things will be what is ultimately responsible for things turning to dung in our hands.

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I think the new high clock DDR5 Neo (EXPO) from G.SKILL is new to market for the Zen 5 CPUs and the kit I pre-ordered at NewEgg shipped directly from the manufacturer. It was manufactured last week, LOL.

 

I love when things are shipped right from Taiwan or manufacturers. Thats how Corsair does it, and MSI US store as well. But that is extremely FRESH right there LOL. I bought a SSD from Corsair once, and it was made recently like this as well. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I love when things are shipped right from Taiwan or manufacturers. Thats how Corsair does it, and MSI US store as well. But that is extremely FRESH right there LOL. I bought a SSD from Corsair once, and it was made recently like this as well. 

Yeah, that's fantastic when it happens like that. Look at the post above (edited after your reply). That's really good for a default memory profile. I've never seen great results with applying an XMP profile with no manual tuning. My G.SKILL 8000 XMP modules that I was using before this arrived today were really slow and laggy until manually tuned. It will be interesting to see what tightening up the timings does. I guess this is an example of using the right tool for the job. Using XMP modules in an AMD system is probably like using a flat-blade screwdriver to remove Philips screws, LOL.

 

My parts from der8auer are scheduled for delivery tomorrow... AM5 delid tool and Mycro Pro direct die block. 

[win32asmguy]

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Yeah great deal for a LTX 10900K, I do believe he has sold them all now, what do you run yours at daily? And what ram

speed? Another good thing about Intel 10th gen is you can overclock DDR4 practically just as good on (4) Dimm boards VS. a (2) Dimm XOC board, unlike Intel 12th/13th/14th/15th maybe once DDR5 reaches limits like DDR4 the cheap motherboards board will surpass ram OC as a whole like DDR4 did. As for Sapphire rapids not all are multi-tile CPU like that, but only the 3400/3500 series Xeons with Octa channel. The 2400/2500 chips are single die. Most people who want a “Do it all” go for the Xeon w2595X because it’s just one big 26/52 core die. The Xeon w3595X would fold it of course lol but since it’s a 60/120 cores glued together, it has much bigger latency hit. 

 

Mine is just running stock in the X170SM for now. Ram is still at 2933 as I was not able to get 3200 dual rank stable with my previous 10900K and switching it to test might mean bricking it and needing a recovery flash. There are a few bios configuration issues I have not sorted out yet as well so it tops out around 14,600 in CBR23 for now.

 

I did not know Sapphire Rapids 2400/2500 were monolithic. For some reason I thought they were two tiles or even four with more disabled cores. w2595x sounds great. I have to read up more on it and the platform.

[Clamibot]

Christmas came early for me this year!

 

 

Lol, yep, you get more done and you get your money's worth when buying from bro @Mr. Fox.

 

A super duper mega ultra deluxe hardware bundle being placed right into my hands.

 

 

You betcha awesome is here!

 

 

Lots of goodies!

 

I haven't gotten anything set up due to work being very busy this week, but I'm definitely looking forward to assembling and tuning 2 systems! One will be for me and the other will be for a buddy building his first desktop after graduating college and years of using laptops and being dissatisfied with the diminishing options for upgrade paths.

 

Full hardware bundle contents:

- Super bin i9 14900KF
- i9 14900K
- Asus Maximus Z790 Apex motherboard
- Asrock Z690 PG Velocita motherboard

- Super bin G.SKILL 32 GB 8000 MHz DDR5 memory kit (pre tuned to 8400 MHz CL 36 just for me!)
- Crucial 16 GB 6000 MHz DDR5 memory kit

- Gigabyte Aorus Xtreme Waterforce RTX 2080 TI (bro Fox even included an air cooler for it!)
- Iceman direct die waterblock
- Iceman direct touch RAM waterblock
- Bykski RAM heatsinks for the super bin G.SKILL memory kit

[electrosoft]

32 minutes ago, Clamibot said:

Christmas came early for me this year!

 

 

Lol, yep, you get more done and you get your money's worth when buying from bro @Mr. Fox.

 

A super duper mega ultra deluxe hardware bundle being placed right into my hands.

 

 

You betcha awesome is here!

 

 

Lots of goodies!

 

I haven't gotten anything set up due to work being very busy this week, but I'm definitely looking forward to assembling and tuning 2 systems! One will be for me and the other will be for a buddy building his first desktop after graduating college and years of using laptops and being dissatisfied with the diminishing options for upgrade paths.

 

Full hardware bundle contents:

- Super bin i9 14900KF
- i9 14900K
- Asus Maximus Z790 Apex motherboard
- Asrock Z690 PG Velocita motherboard

- Super bin G.SKILL 32 GB 8000 MHz DDR5 memory kit (pre tuned to 8400 MHz CL 36 just for me!)
- Crucial 16 GB 6000 MHz DDR5 memory kit

- Gigabyte Aorus Xtreme Waterforce RTX 2080 TI (bro Fox even included an air cooler for it!)
- Iceman direct die waterblock
- Iceman direct touch RAM waterblock
- Bykski RAM heatsinks for the super bin G.SKILL memory kit

 

That's a serious haul of hardware!

 

Keanu Approved!

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Clamibot said:

Christmas came early for me this year!

 

 

Lol, yep, you get more done and you get your money's worth when buying from bro @Mr. Fox.

 

A super duper mega ultra deluxe hardware bundle being placed right into my hands.

 

 

You betcha awesome is here!

 

 

Lots of goodies!

 

I haven't gotten anything set up due to work being very busy this week, but I'm definitely looking forward to assembling and tuning 2 systems! One will be for me and the other will be for a buddy building his first desktop after graduating college and years of using laptops and being dissatisfied with the diminishing options for upgrade paths.

 

Full hardware bundle contents:

- Super bin i9 14900KF
- i9 14900K
- Asus Maximus Z790 Apex motherboard
- Asrock Z690 PG Velocita motherboard

- Super bin G.SKILL 32 GB 8000 MHz DDR5 memory kit (pre tuned to 8400 MHz CL 36 just for me!)
- Crucial 16 GB 6000 MHz DDR5 memory kit

- Gigabyte Aorus Xtreme Waterforce RTX 2080 TI (bro Fox even included an air cooler for it!)
- Iceman direct die waterblock
- Iceman direct touch RAM waterblock
- Bykski RAM heatsinks for the super bin G.SKILL memory kit

I am super excited about how much fun you're going to get from these awesome parts. 

[Mr. Fox]

Funny story...

 

The center fan on my 3090 Ti FTW3 came apart. The plastic retainer molded into the fan blade on the inside that snaps the fan blade onto the spindle shaft broke and the blade fell off. I put it back with SuperGlue yesterday. It is still holding and the fan is very quiet now. It had an odd click sound that was faint and I think it was the breaking plastic allowing the blade to not fit perfectly on the spindle and go slightly out of balance.

 

I found a new center fan assembly for it this morning and ordered it from China. If it continues to work and the blade doesn't come off while I am waiting for the shipment from China I will be pretty amazed. I don't expect it to be a permanent fix.

[tps3443]

I’m thinking about getting this motherboard. Only $250.00. 1 of 999# made. Very unique! It’s an Aqua Z490 board. I really like it. 
 

 

[cylix]

Guys STALKER 2 launched, superb game! Looks awesome, some bugs here and there but its fine. I am getting around 80 to 100 FPS on EPIC with dlss3, native only the 4090 struggles around 50-60 🤣

 

[tps3443]

28 minutes ago, cylix said:

Guys STALKER 2 launched, superb game! Looks awesome, some bugs here and there but its fine. I am getting around 80 to 100 FPS on EPIC with dlss3, native only the 4090 struggles around 50-60 🤣

 

Already playing it 🤣 it’s the best! My Xeon 3175X+4090 is doing great. I was seeing really good performance. 

[cylix]

yeah, me too 😄 already 3hours in. Superb game.

[Mr. Fox]

52 minutes ago, cylix said:

Guys STALKER 2 launched, superb game! Looks awesome, some bugs here and there but its fine. I am getting around 80 to 100 FPS on EPIC with dlss3, native only the 4090 struggles around 50-60 🤣

 

 

22 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Already playing it 🤣 it’s the best! My Xeon 3175X+4090 is doing great. I was seeing really good performance. 

 

21 minutes ago, cylix said:

yeah, me too 😄 already 3hours in. Superb game.

It's on my list of games to buy when the price falls to $25 or less. Looks like a good one. The original titles in the STALKER franchise were great as well. Like a pre-runner to the more modern Metro games.

[tps3443]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

 

It's on my list of games to buy when the price falls to $25 or less. Looks like a good one. The original titles in the STALKER franchise were great as well. Like a pre-runner to the more modern Metro games.

Grab a Xbox gamepass subscription for $1 dollar, then cancel it. You’ll be able to play if you have Gamepass. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 minute ago, tps3443 said:

Grab a Xbox gamepass subscription for $1 dollar, then cancel it. You’ll be able to play if you have Gamepass. 

Until the end of the $1 first month, or past that?