*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Pretty much confirmed single CCD X3D on the 9950X3D..... 😞

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d-cpu-z-specs-leak-max-5-65-ghz-clock-170w-tdp-and-single-3d-v-cache-ccd

 

On the bright side, it looks like both CCDs might be the better bins and clock up the same so there's some hope there:

 

It will be interesting to find out what is accurate after it drops. I don't care about the X3D part so much because gaming is a secondary consideration, but having matched CCD quality would be welcomed and beneficial for overclocking as long as the multipliers are fully unlocked.

[tps3443]

I’m looking at getting the EKWB Nucleus 360mm AIO for my 10900K to test it out. And I see they fit LGA 1200, now I’d rather have the EKWB Nucleus 360 Direct Die due to raised bottom and better DD performance. Since the mounting bases of these look the same, couldn’t I make the EKWB 360 Nucleus DD work with lga1200? 
 

 

Main reason I’m asking is the EKWB Nucleus 360 Direct Die says LGA 1700 only. But, it would work pure amazing on a 10900K. 

[Mr. Fox]

24 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I’m looking at getting the EKWB Nucleus 360mm AIO for my 10900K to test it out. And I see they fit LGA 1200, now I’d rather have the EKWB Nucleus 360 Direct Die due to raised bottom and better DD performance. Since the mounting bases of these look the same, couldn’t I make the EKWB 360 Nucleus DD work with lga1200? 
 

 

Main reason I’m asking is the EKWB Nucleus 360 Direct Die says LGA 1700 only. But, it would work pure amazing on a 10900K. 

I do not think it would work because the die frame that replaces the ILM probably is probably not the same dimensions. If they are the same then it would likely work if the outer bolt holes on the pump block are the same and line up with the bolt holes in the motherboard. If it fits it would be awesome. I love the CR360 direct die AIO on my SFF beast. It works fantastic.

 

If the die frame for LGA1700 will not fit LGA1200 you might be able to use a generic direct die frame for an LGA1200 CPU instead of the one included with the waterblock. As long as the opening around the CPU die is large enough for the protruding area of the CR360 cold plate it might work. The guy I bought this one from on oc.net actually used it on a CPU that was NOT delidded with a ThermalRight CPU frame and it fit and worked like an ordinary AIO.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

It will be interesting to find out what is accurate after it drops. I don't care about the X3D part so much because gaming is a secondary consideration, but having matched CCD quality would be welcomed and beneficial for overclocking at long as the multipliers are fully unlocked.

 

Agreed. While X3D is important to me, a double binned 9950X3D would be equally important. The lesser binned CCD always rubbed me the wrong way when I had my 7950X3D.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Agreed. While X3D is important to me, a double binned 9950X3D would be equally important. The lesser binned CCD always rubbed me the wrong way when I had my 7950X3D.

Remarkable how similar that lesser bin CCD delimma resembles the Intel "baby" smartphone Atom cores and their inferiority. It rubs me the wrong way with both platforms. If they're charging us for "good stuff" then they need to deliver that fully and not go half way with their effort.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Agreed. While X3D is important to me, a double binned 9950X3D would be equally important. The lesser binned CCD always rubbed me the wrong way when I had my 7950X3D.

 

 

 

 

Double binned meeans more shortage for all X3D chips. And AMD ain't stupid. They want profits. From day one.

 

Here some love from our old good friend unclewebb. TS 9.7 released

 

[tps3443]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I do not think it would work because the die frame that replaces the ILM probably is probably not the same dimensions. If they are the same then it would likely work if the outer bolt holes on the pump block are the same and line up with the bolt holes in the motherboard. If it fits it would be awesome. I love the CR360 direct die AIO on my SFF beast. It works fantastic.

 

If the die frame for LGA1700 will not fit LGA1200 you might be able to use a generic direct die frame for an LGA1200 CPU instead of the one included with the waterblock. As long as the opening around the CPU die is large enough for the protruding area of the CR360 cold plate it might work. The guy I bought this one from on oc.net actually used it on a CPU that was NOT delidded with a ThermalRight CPU frame and it fit and worked like an ordinary AIO.

 I’m not using the die frame, never used those before with LGA 1200. I just want to use the actual AIO. I’m not sure if the mounting holes will line up or not for the actual AIO block. It says LGA 1700 support only. But the standard Nucleus fits LGA1200/LGA1700. So, I’m wondering how that is. 
 

EDIT: Looks like the Nucleus AIO CPU mounting brackets is removable, so I should be able to just mount the Nucleus LGA 1200 AIO Bracket on the Nucleus 360 direct die, which should make it compatible. 
 

This looks like a match made in heaven to me! 
 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 I’m not using the die frame, never used those before with LGA 1200. I just want to use the actual AIO. I’m not sure if the mounting holes will line up or not for the actual AIO block. It says LGA 1700 support only. But the standard Nucleus fits LGA1200/LGA1700. So, I’m wondering how that is. 
 

EDIT: Looks like the Nucleus AIO CPU mounting brackets is removable, so I should be able to just mount the Nucleus LGA 1200 AIO Bracket on the Nucleus 360 direct die, which should make it compatible. 
 

This looks like a match made in heaven to me! 
 

It might work, just be careful. I know you have done it in the past and you can most likely get it to work great with the CPU just loose on the socket, even if that is not ideal.

 

The EK CR360 die frame is not like the  rough old one size fits all die frames from the early days like X299 and 8700K. It is a very precision part designed to work flawlessly with the CR360 only, and it does. There is no risk of breaking the die on the LGA1700 installations because the block is designed to be tightened against the frame and limit the depth it compresses the CPU into the socket. Everything comes together in a very precise way.

 

Those brackets should work. The direct die LGA1700 bracket is made differently. It is one piece and very thick metal like the bracket on an Optimus or Heatkiller block.

[Papusan]

 

Hmmm. Should be better than Thermalright TF-9. Thats an very hard task even for any of the high-end thermal paste. Maybe a very good solution for graphics cards.

Xingu GPE-01 Graphene Thermal Pad Will Outperform Any CPU Thermal Compound – 4 Degrees Cooler Than TF9

 

4C lower temp with 16W higher power consumption. Not bad if this is correct.

 

Posted it here on the forum...

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Back to the past we go with tomorrows Jokebooks

 

Here's a must have bro @Mr. Fox🤢

 

Fantastic. Equally good raster performance as low/mid tier 3000 series nvidia desktop cards. Back to the past we go with tomorrows Jokebooks. January 2025 (very soon) its 4 years since 3060 12GB cards was released. And you can play at 1080P with max settings. Damn, amacing. @ryan Will you be happy with 1080P ?

 

From the link below.... According to the leaker's data, the GeForce RTX 5060 Laptop is equivalent to a GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop .

 

And this translates into a rasterization performance similar to that of an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12 GB desktop. Although somewhat less powerful than an Intel Arc A750 . 

 

The GeForce RTX 5060 Laptop would perform like a GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop

[Clamibot]

Looks like Clevo is starting to pull their heads out of their butts. Still soldered crap, but it's a massive upgrade over the X370 abomination that is completely undeserving of the Xx70 moniker: https://videocardz.com/newz/clevos-x580-next-gen-laptop-specs-leaked-arrow-lake-hx-cpu-and-geforce-rtx-50-gpu

 

This is a nice 18 inch Clevo DTR, so it's good to see them starting to go back to what they once made. It doesn't have an upgradable CPU or GPU, but they increased the drive slots from 3 back to 4 and also increased the RAM slots back to 4.

 

Gives me hope that Clevo may return to full socketed models one day.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Clamibot said:

Looks like Clevo is starting to pull their heads out of their butts. Still soldered crap, but it's a massive upgrade over the X370 abomination that is completely undeserving of the Xx70 moniker: https://videocardz.com/newz/clevos-x580-next-gen-laptop-specs-leaked-arrow-lake-hx-cpu-and-geforce-rtx-50-gpu

 

This is a nice 18 inch Clevo DTR, so it's good to see them starting to go back to what they once made. It doesn't have an upgradable CPU or GPU, but they increased the drive slots from 3 back to 4 and also increased the RAM slots back to 4.

 

Gives me hope that Clevo may return to full socketed models one day.

 

If they can get to the level of an MSI Titan w/ better cooling and better pricing that is a solid step in the right direction.

 

Still can't see why a full fat x670/x870 laptop hasn't been made considering the bulk of AM5 chips can run no problem sub 200w unless their one foray into AM4 laptops was a sales disaster. 

[Mr. Fox]

12 hours ago, Papusan said:

Here's a must have bro @Mr. Fox🤢

Disgusting. And, I don't even care about laptops anymore. Not evenn just a tiny little bit. They are all just trash on steroids. Laptops matter to me about as much as the toilet paper I flush down the toilet after using it.

  

18 hours ago, Papusan said:

Double binned meeans more shortage for all X3D chips. And AMD ain't stupid. They want profits. From day one.

Correct. Neither is Intel, nor NVIDIA. But all three of them them know that most of the people that purchase their products are. And those that are not are often foolishly optimistic and too forgiving.

[win32asmguy]

9 hours ago, Clamibot said:

Looks like Clevo is starting to pull their heads out of their butts. Still soldered crap, but it's a massive upgrade over the X370 abomination that is completely undeserving of the Xx70 moniker: https://videocardz.com/newz/clevos-x580-next-gen-laptop-specs-leaked-arrow-lake-hx-cpu-and-geforce-rtx-50-gpu

 

This is a nice 18 inch Clevo DTR, so it's good to see them starting to go back to what they once made. It doesn't have an upgradable CPU or GPU, but they increased the drive slots from 3 back to 4 and also increased the RAM slots back to 4.

 

Gives me hope that Clevo may return to full socketed models one day.

 

The X370 has serious issues with overheating compared to the X170. It cannot really sustain the advertised 250W combined loads and even when it does the excess heat bleeds into the RAM heating it up over 85C and the audio AMP causing distortion in the speakers and headphone output.

 

Clevo has a smaller model, PE60, that has a better cooling system and can properly run its components at advertised speeds. That is their true flagship model, it just tops out at 4070 mobile, but is a good complement device to a desktop as it turns out.

 

I do not think we will get any full socketed models in the future. BGA HX chips exist from both AMD and Intel so its going to be the path they provide for these laptops.

[tps3443]

15 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It might work, just be careful. I know you have done it in the past and you can most likely get it to work great with the CPU just loose on the socket, even if that is not ideal.

 

The EK CR360 die frame is not like the  rough old one size fits all die frames from the early days like X299 and 8700K. It is a very precision part designed to work flawlessly with the CR360 only, and it does. There is no risk of breaking the die on the LGA1700 installations because the block is designed to be tightened against the frame and limit the depth it compresses the CPU into the socket. Everything comes together in a very precise way.

 

Those brackets should work. The direct die LGA1700 bracket is made differently. It is one piece and very thick metal like the bracket on an Optimus or Heatkiller block.

Loose in the socket is how we roll 😃My Dominus Extreme + Xeon 3175X is loose in the socket. The newer HEDT and Server grade intels are all like this as well as far as I know.

 

Honestly. I might just use the regular EKWB 360 Nucleus. The EKWB DD AIO is sold out anyways. 
 

I really love the Cooler Master Sub-Zero 360mm AIO. And I really just want to test how other AIO’s compare. The Sub-Zero has some down sides. Mainly that it is always using 200+ watts anytime it’s running. That tech plate stuff uses power similar to my 1/2HP Chiller. It works very well, but it can heat a case up to 115f inside in no time. 

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

So I picked up a 9800X3D combo deal from newegg because I'm a glutton for punishment....

 

....but seriously, I'm seeing pockets of GPU utilization dropping into the 80's on the 4070 Super (which we have to remember is performing like a ~3090-3090ti depending on game) even with the 14900KS at 5.9 8400 tuned so I'm just going to have to itch this scratch which I attempted before but had a bum 9800X3D and a defective open box x670e Hero so I took the @Talon route and scooped up an X870e Hero + 9800X3D + free 48GB G.Skill kit + $50 discount from Newegg to give a whirl making the total combo about ~$950 before tax when all is said and done deducting the cost of the free G.skill sticks and $50 discount.

 

This is also turning out like my adventures in laptops and DDR4 where I can't seem to NOT have at least 3-4 laying around at all times even after sell offs. Now I have my TG 8200 2x24GB, G.Skill A-die 2x32GB,  G.Skill 2x48GB, and Crucial Pro OC 2x16GB 6400.

 

For DDR4, I am finally down to one last DDR4 board in the house (my original Z690 Strix D4) and one last DDR4 2x16GB (Awesome B-die kit I picked up from @Mr. Fox running at 4100 tuned on the Z690 Strix D4).

 

Same plan still in effect. If I stick with the 9800X3D rig, I'll give my wife the entire 14900KS setup and sell off her Z690 12900k setup. Nice boost from 5.2 to 5.9 all core for gaming and 4100 -> 8400.

 

I can return the 4070 Super all the way up to Feb 3rd, so should have some clarity from Nvidia on the 5090 by then.

 

 

 

[Papusan]

 

This can't be real. In absolute worst case then add the coming Trump tax at 20% on top. Then we can do the math... But first add the Rog tax on top of MSRP😁 And we can see +1900$ for custom Strix 5080 card. Anyone say no thanks if the price reaches $2000? I mean for the xx80, not the xx90. That one will be +2500$ or close to $3000. So measly $2000 will looks like cheap buy.

 

NVIDIA’s GeForce RTX 5080 Rumored To Feature A Whopping $1,500+ MSRP, Marking A Huge Difference From The GeForce RTX 4080

 

Yup, older 4080 seems damn cheap at $1200. And 4090 was a bargain😆 In short... Welcome to Papusan's ugly world (Norwegian prices).

[Mr. Fox]

10 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

This can't be real. In absolute worst case then add the coming Trump tax at 20% on top. Then we can do the math... But first add the Rog tax on top of MSRP😁 And we can see +1900$ for custom Strix 5080 card. Anyone say no thanks if the price reaches $2000? I mean for the xx80, not the xx90. That one will be +2500$ or close to $3000. So mealy $2000 will looks like cheap buy.

 

NVIDIA’s GeForce RTX 5080 Rumored To Feature A Whopping $1,500+ MSRP, Marking A Huge Difference From The GeForce RTX 4080

 

Yup, older 4080 seems damn cheap at $1200. And 4090 was a bargain😆 In short... Welcome to Papusan's ugly world (Norwegian prices).

It just keeps getting worse. Even the market value for used NVIDIA GPUs remains extremely overpriced.

 

There is a good chance I won't even bother with 50 series. The only reason I would buy a stronger GPU is for benching and the way HWBOT requires ECC to be enabled I have all but lost interest.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It just keeps getting worse. Even the market value for used NVIDIA GPUs remains extremely overpriced.

 

One thing for sure... 5000 series as etc xx70 and above won't come cheaper than same SKUs in 4000 series. If nvidia add $100 on top you should see you as lucky. And this without any ugly Trump tax on top. Add 22% bigger die +33% more vram and you can clearly see where 5090 will land. And after a year you may see 5090Ti or 5090 Super. Nvidia just love add longer names for the refresh.

 

The winners may be the buyers in the low/mid end where Intel put their Battlemage. Yup, 1080P gaming ain't yet dead. Or 1440P at low settings.

[Mr. Fox]

5 minutes ago, Papusan said:

The winners may be the buyers in the low/mid end where Intel put their Battlemage.

The best option I think. Although it would be really weird to install in Intel GPU in an AMD system.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The best option I think. Although it would be really weird to install in Intel GPU in an AMD system.

 

Maybe coming AMD card. Remember AMD don't go after high end in gaming this time. We will see who'm will offer the best low/mid end at an good and attractive price. Amd can't charge an arm and a legg for low/mid end graphics anymore.

 

[tps3443]

Guys and gals, I am throwing in the towel!!! The towel for my Test Bench that is. I have been using a Praxis Complete Edition Full for 40 months now, I bought my Praxis Complete Full bench 08/2021!! I never went to a case once in all this time. I loved it, I was always happy. But now I am just not content with it anymore. I want to put the Dominus and Xeon 3175X in an enclosure and do a proper build. 
 

I’m still going to use my Chiller. I’m planning to still use all of my pumps etc. I’m just bored to death and burned out with this test bench. 
 

I bought a Lian-Li V3000 for $200 bucks brand-new on Amazon, I couldn’t find a better deal case wise. The thing is a BEAST. It’ll fit the Dominus and all of my D5’s. I’m so excited to build inside of a regular case once again! 
 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I bought a Lian-Li V3000 for $200 bucks brand-new on Amazon, I couldn’t find a better deal case wise. The thing is a BEAST. It’ll fit the Dominus and all of my D5’s. I’m so excited to build inside of a regular case once again! 

Looks like a nice case, bro. I look forward to seeing some build photos.

[Mr. Fox]

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

And this without any ugly Trump tax on top.

It will be worth it in the long run, even if it is painful for a short time. Anything worth doing will require some degree of sacrifice, but the price of doing nothing is far greater. If it destroys China economically and plunges them into disaster, drives business out of their country, makes America and our allies view China as expendable and we all stop doing business with China so they dry up and blow away it will be worth every penny in the long run. In addition to making their products unaffordable, we should also stop selling anything whatsoever to them (including food) and prohibit business-to-business trade. They hate us and all nations that embrace freedom and democracy. China's only allies are commies and like-minded dictatorships. There should be no place for them at the world table, and we need to act before it's too late. They are looking for ways to destroy us all and we need to draw first blood... we need to do it hard, fast and deadly so there is no opportunity for recovery. Then maybe the people of China will rise up, shake loose from their oppressors and take back all that their wicked government has taken from them. We can't do that for them. They'll have to do it for themselves, or die trying.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It will be worth it in the long run, even if it is painful for a short time. Anything worth doing will require some degree of sacrifice, but the price of doing nothing is far greater. If it destroys China economically and plunges them into disaster, drives business out of their country, makes America and our allies view China as expendable and we all stop doing business with China so they dry up and blow away it will be worth every penny in the long run. They hate us and all nations that embrace freedom and democracy. China's only allies are commies and like-minded dictatorships. There should be no place for them at the world table, and we need to act before it's too late. They are looking for ways to destroy us all and we need to draw first blood... we need to do it hard, fast and deadly so there is no opportunity for recovery. Then maybe the people of China will rise up, shake loose from their oppressors and take back all that their wicked government has taken from them. We can't do that for them. They'll have to do it for themselves, or die trying.

 

Could be, but I doub't it. I never trust politics or governments. Have never done. They all are equal bad. Every single one. Just look at this. Suddenly is TIK-TOK good enough. And that disgusting Chineese TECH company should be banned. All  over the world. Nothing to negotiate about here. Ban them! Aka close the doors. Yesterday.

[Mr. Fox]

26 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Could be, but I doub't it. I never trust politics or governments. Have never done. They all are equal bad. every one. Just look at this. Suddenly is TIK-TOK good enough. And that disgusting Chineese TECH company should be banned. All  over the world. Nothing to negotiate about here. Ban them! Aka close the doors. Yesterday.

I am very anti-government and agree that in general they all have too much power and control, but I do think that there are certain ones that are just pure evil and rotten from the core, to such a degree that they make the rest look like angels. China is among the worst of the worst. It is unfortunate that there are some good people in the worst places, and they are their own governments greatest victims.

 

TikTok sucks. I agree. Banning is an option. Or, you can also explore the possibility of taking out the trash, much like what Elon did to Twitter. No longer a massive government propaganda tool or an echo chamber for freaks and undesirables like some of the others that still need a good ransacking. I suspect Biden and his cronies want TikTok eliminated primarily because they can't control it, moderate and manipulate the content for political and social engineering purposes like they do with the mainstream media and other social media platforms. Allowing China to keep it is a non-starter and presents a heightened security risk for the rest of the world.