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[electrosoft]

21 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I got my funds ready for 5090 day. I should have enough for a top AIB model + taxes. (Fingers crossed) 

 

Looks like the 5090 will be at least 35% faster than a 4090. 
 

The one thing I am wondering is how the RTX 5080 will perform. I just can’t see it beating a 4090 or even matching one. No way…. Unless I’m crazy, it’s just the gaps between 4080 Super and 4090 are absolutely MASSIVE. Unless the 5090 is even faster than we think. 🤔 

 

Nah, the 5090 is going to come in at 30-35% which is more than enough for me to pull the trigger if I disregard proper fiscal responsibility. If it turns out to be faster, woot! But all reports are leaning towards temper your expectations. That uplift is coming mainly from the cuda core uplift (which is about ~33%) and Nvidia opening up the bus and increasing memory frequency enough to properly feed them / that memory interface.

 

The more I read up on the FE, the more I'm now leaning equally towards all three now with the FE and Suprim tied assuming the Suprim has the superior PCB design. Astral will be good, but I know that price is going to be outlandish. I will pull the trigger on whatever model presents itself and makes it into the basket and checks out. 🤣

 

4080 Super -> 5080 is an easier read since the bus is the same (256 bit), and you are getting ~5% uplift in CUDA cores but faster memory. It really comes down to the break even point between the cuda cores, memory bus and if the faster GDDR7 is fully being utilized to feed it but we know it is to a degree as the reported uplift is going to be right around 10-11%. All I know is at 4k, the gap between the 5080 and 5090 is going to be monstrous.

 

I am expecting the 4090 to be faster than the 5080 by ~15-20% but the 5080 to still be a slight upgrade over the 4080 Super and using DLSS4 is that's your cup of tea.

 

With AMD being non competitive and Nvidia entertaining a Titan again along with AI (!), I am not expecting a 5090ti variant. Plus the 5090 as-is is already pushing the 600w limit of the connector and sanity even taking into consideration PCIe power delivery. This node is being "Intel"'d a little bit methinks for the 5000 series.

 

I have no idea what Nvidia is going to bring for the 6000 series but this is AMD's chance to do something....

 

 

[Papusan]

48 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

With AMD being non competitive and Nvidia entertaining a Titan again along with AI (!), I am not expecting a 5090ti variant. Plus the 5090 as-is is already pushing the 600w limit of the connector and sanity even taking into consideration PCIe power delivery.

 

Hmmm. More cuda cores will undoubtedly choke the boost clocks further down due the measly Total Graphics Power (W). Not so sure those extra cores will  do much without dual power connector, increased board power and better cooling. And nvidia want prefer cute small boards, so...

[tps3443]

9 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Nah, the 5090 is going to come in at 30-35% which is more than enough for me to pull the trigger if I disregard proper fiscal responsibility. If it turns out to be faster, woot! But all reports are leaning towards temper your expectations. That uplift is coming mainly from the cuda core uplift (which is about ~33%) and Nvidia opening up the bus and increasing memory frequency enough to properly feed them / that memory interface.

 

The more I read up on the FE, the more I'm now leaning equally towards all three now with the FE and Suprim tied assuming the Suprim has the superior PCB design. Astral will be good, but I know that price is going to be outlandish. I will pull the trigger on whatever model presents itself and makes it into the basket and checks out. 🤣

 

4080 Super -> 5080 is an easier read since the bus is the same (256 bit), and you are getting ~5% uplift in CUDA cores but faster memory. It really comes down to the break even point between the cuda cores, memory bus and if the faster GDDR7 is fully being utilized to feed it but we know it is to a degree as the reported uplift is going to be right around 10-11%. All I know is at 4k, the gap between the 5080 and 5090 is going to be monstrous.

 

I am expecting the 4090 to be faster than the 5080 by ~15-20% but the 5080 to still be a slight upgrade over the 4080 Super and using DLSS4 is that's your cup of tea.

 

With AMD being non competitive and Nvidia entertaining a Titan again along with AI (!), I am not expecting a 5090ti variant. Plus the 5090 as-is is already pushing the 600w limit of the connector and sanity even taking into consideration PCIe power delivery. This node is being "Intel"'d a little bit methinks for the 5000 series.

 

I have no idea what Nvidia is going to bring for the 6000 series but this is AMD's chance to do something....

 

 

I loved my 4080 Super Suprim X. The quality is really good, so yeah, I will probably just grab a 5090 Suprim. I am considering trading in my 4090 on Newegg. I just hope this does not slow the process somehow during check out. Newegg is offering 1,350 on trade-in for any 4090 which is tempting. Then I won't have to post on OC.net forums and get all the 5070 is faster replies lol. 😄

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I loved my 4080 Super Suprim X. The quality is really good, so yeah, I will probably just grab a 5090 Suprim. I am considering trading in my 4090 on Newegg. I just hope this does not slow the process somehow during check out. Newegg is offering 1,350 on trade-in for any 4090 which is tempting. Then I won't have to post on OC.net forums and get all the 5070 is faster replies lol. 😄

 

Can you trade it in before launch day so you have a credit waiting?

 

lol, that posting over on OC offering $780 for a Strix 4090.....

[Mr. Fox]

44 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Can you trade it in before launch day so you have a credit waiting?

 

lol, that posting over on OC offering $780 for a Strix 4090.....

Even a 3090 Ti sells for $750 or more still. That is ludicrous.

 

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Newegg is offering 1,350 on trade-in for any 4090 which is tempting.

That is tempting. You could get more for it on a private sale, but that is only like $150 less than what I paid for my Gigabyte 4090. I might have to look into that even though I was not planning to buy a 5090 unless there is a K|NGP|N offering. Although, I probably would not expect to find one for sale at NewEgg if one is released, and if so it would probably sell out in 30 seconds. I might end up with a credit that I can't use for the intended purpose. I wish there was a cash-out option.

Maybe if I were lucky I could use the credit to purchase a X870E Crosshair Apex. That will probably also sell out instantly.

 

I don't need more than a 3090 Ti for the kind of gaming I do. I am almost exclusively a FPS single-player campaign gamer, and it is not often enough (less than 4 hours a month) to justify the expense involved. I could use the Strix 1080 in my SFF work computer and the 3090 Ti in my Ryzen rig. There is minimal incentive to purchase a GPU for benching at this point because GPUs generally don't overclock worth a damn, and then HWBOT comes up with stupid rules like having to enable ECC. I'm like... "yeah, no thanks" because it's all for fun and if the fun is gone it no longer matters. At least 3090 Ti has Windows 7 driver support, and that still matters to me... a lot. There are some CPU-heavy benchmarks that can only produce good results using Windows 7. Failure/poor results are unavoidable on some of those benchmarks using Windows 10/11 because they are sucky OSes that are burdened by worthless bloat and littered with digital trash.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

lol, that posting over on OC offering $780 for a Strix 4090.....

 

The 4090's will be very useful in China forwards (multi-gpu setups). Don't be surprised if we see quite high prices for the 4090's in the used market forwards. This graphics card will continue beeing popular.

 

I expect someone will vacuum the market for 5090 and plow them into China. Be prepared for a new era of shortage of real 5090's. Same with price hike. Scalpers will have a wonderful time forwards if not some find ways to unlock "nvidia's new ways" to lock the 5090D models. This could also boost sales and keep up prices of used 4090's for China market (for multi gpu AI/mining compute).

 

Yup.... Nvidia need to be sure no-one can unlock the 5000 series flagship. Or nvidia risk a more strickt ban of Blackwell GPU's in China. This doesn't look very well for performance enthusiasts in the rest of the world. 

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090D for China has limits on AI, cryptomining and multi-GPU configs, gaming not affected

 

 

Testing need to be changed... How do you properly measure the performance of fake frames?

 

With Blackwell, Nvidia recommends everyone doing benchmarks switch to using MsBetweenDisplayChange, as it's apparently more accurate. Looking at the numbers, most of the time it's not all that different, but Nvidia says it will better capture dropped frames, frametime variation, and the new flip metering that's used by MFG. So, if you want to get DLSS 4 "framerates" — in quotes because AI-generated frames are not the same as fully rendered frames — you'll need to make the switch. 

 

Nvidia says frame generation and upscaling will require us to rethink benchmarks

 

Yup, show benchmarks the old way just show how little the performance uplift is from 4000 series up to 5000 series. UL aka Futuremark and Ungine need to come up with new benchmarks. They will probably use AI to pick up fake vs real results for the fake frame benchmark leaderboards, LOOL

[jaybee83]

13 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Hmmm. More cuda cores will undoubtedly choke the boost clocks further down due the measly Total Graphics Power (W). Not so sure those extra cores will  do much without dual power connector, increased board power and better cooling. And nvidia want prefer cute small boards, so...

 

yeah....lets hope that "new trend" of Nvidia wanting to have cute lil tiny coolers on their flagship GPUs doesnt perpetuate into the future 😅

 

14 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Nah, the 5090 is going to come in at 30-35% which is more than enough for me to pull the trigger if I disregard proper fiscal responsibility. If it turns out to be faster, woot! But all reports are leaning towards temper your expectations. That uplift is coming mainly from the cuda core uplift (which is about ~33%) and Nvidia opening up the bus and increasing memory frequency enough to properly feed them / that memory interface.

 

The more I read up on the FE, the more I'm now leaning equally towards all three now with the FE and Suprim tied assuming the Suprim has the superior PCB design. Astral will be good, but I know that price is going to be outlandish. I will pull the trigger on whatever model presents itself and makes it into the basket and checks out. 🤣

 

4080 Super -> 5080 is an easier read since the bus is the same (256 bit), and you are getting ~5% uplift in CUDA cores but faster memory. It really comes down to the break even point between the cuda cores, memory bus and if the faster GDDR7 is fully being utilized to feed it but we know it is to a degree as the reported uplift is going to be right around 10-11%. All I know is at 4k, the gap between the 5080 and 5090 is going to be monstrous.

 

I am expecting the 4090 to be faster than the 5080 by ~15-20% but the 5080 to still be a slight upgrade over the 4080 Super and using DLSS4 is that's your cup of tea.

 

With AMD being non competitive and Nvidia entertaining a Titan again along with AI (!), I am not expecting a 5090ti variant. Plus the 5090 as-is is already pushing the 600w limit of the connector and sanity even taking into consideration PCIe power delivery. This node is being "Intel"'d a little bit methinks for the 5000 series.

 

I have no idea what Nvidia is going to bring for the 6000 series but this is AMD's chance to do something....

 

 

that is absolutely a 100% valid buying strategy, get whatever u can put into your basket and manage to check out 😄 beats empty hands and a 5090 budget burning a hole into your wallet lulz

 

As for AMD, since they understandably neither have the manpower nor the budget that Nvidia has, theyre likely taking a "break" for highend to get all their IP / resources together for a proper counter to the 60 series... i mean, they have done it before, so its nothing new or surprising.

[tps3443]

It’s just unfortunate that the RTX 5090 is only 35% faster than a RTX5070. My theory below:
 

We know that the RTX 5070 matches the RTX4090, and the RTX 5090 is 30% faster than a RTX4090. So the RTX 5090 is only 30-35% faster than a 5070. 😂😂😂😂

 

^ I think this statement has blown a massive hole in Nvidias statement that “RTX5070 matches 4090”

 

😄

 

 

 

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

It’s just unfortunate that the RTX 5090 is only 35% faster than a RTX5070. My theory below:
 

We know that the RTX 5070 matches the RTX4090, and the RTX 5090 is 30% faster than a RTX4090. So the RTX 5090 is only 30-35% faster than a 5070. 😂😂😂😂

 

^ I think this statement has blown a massive hole in Nvidias statement that “RTX5070 matches 4090”

 

😄

 

 

 

 

HaHa. If it wasn't for new gen fake frame feature it would look bad. And Nvidia use increased Total Graphics Power (W) to offer better performance if they struggle to meet their goals. Why not max out TGP for every new generation cards? Can't do this because it will destroy the performance uplift for next gen/refreshed cards. 

 

The RTX 50 has a lower transistor density than the RTX 40 despite being manufactured on the same lithographic node

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, tps3443 said:

It’s just unfortunate that the RTX 5090 is only 35% faster than a RTX5070. My theory below:
 

We know that the RTX 5070 matches the RTX4090, and the RTX 5090 is 30% faster than a RTX4090. So the RTX 5090 is only 30-35% faster than a 5070. 😂😂😂😂

 

^ I think this statement has blown a massive hole in Nvidias statement that “RTX5070 matches 4090”

😄

Whether the numbers support it or not, boasting that a third-fiddle product (5070) matches the performance of the prior generation flagship halo product (4090) is pretty silly. There would be no point in purchasing a 5070 to replace a 4090 for multiple reasons, but the most obvious one is you are wasting money and gaining nothing.

 

Only a 5090 purchase makes sense if you own a 4090. 5080 would be a waste of money as well. Tiny improvement--probably not even enough to care about--for a lot of money. It seems pretty obvious that NVIDIA thinks most of their customers are stupid. And, a lot of them probably are.

[Raiderman]

I know this guy will not be spending 2K for a GPU. That is just silly. I will wait for AMD's high end release and enjoy 5080 performance for a fraction of the cost.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Raiderman said:

I know this guy will not be spending 2K for a GPU. That is just silly. I will wait for AMD's high end release and enjoy 5080 performance for a fraction of the cost.

 

You mean next generation? 9070XT would be at best a side grade to your 7900XTX but will actually be less powerful if reports are correct.

 

I'm tempted to just snag a used 7900XTX and call it a wrap depending on the 9070XT reviews.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

 

[electrosoft]

38 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

 

He's not wrong on a few points.

 

Same Node.

Same tech basically.

More cuda cores

More voltage

More memory

 

It reminds me of Nvidia's 500 series a bit when we considered that hot and power hungry stretching the node. This is also why I said before I feel like a bit of Intel at play here and Raptorlake a touch.

 

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I keep going back and forth. Still in that "Go big (5090) or go home (Used 7900xtx/9070XT/5070) mindset this time around. Do I want the absolute best performance? Am I ok with a lesser card? Tune in January 30th for the next exciting episode of, "As the tech turns."

 

I like the uncertainty of what I am going to do in less than two weeks. 🙂

 

I'm eagerly awaiting the various reviews of the 5070, 5090 and 9070xt.

 

 

[1610ftw]

Some of the old modular laptop crew may like this:

 

 

It is an interesting concept to say the least and probably what he had hinted at in a previous video.

 

Of course it is a bit of a bad joke that this unique watercooled more modular laptop that also sports a good keyboard layout is limited to 16" and rather basic memory and drive options.

 

[Mr. Fox]

I got the GTX 1080 Strix. Works fine but BADLY in need of repaste. The original warranty sticker is still on the GPU screw so it is all original. It breached 100°C in less than 1 minute of Dyling Light and about 15 seconds in Fire Strike.

[1610ftw]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I got the GTX 1080 Strix. Works fine but BADLY in need of repaste. The original warranty sticker is still on the GPU screw so it is all original. It breached 100°C in less than 1 minute of Dyling Light and about 15 seconds in Fire Strike.

 

Congratulations - it is good that nobody tried to "improve" it before so you basically got a pristine card that is unlikely to have seen any abuse. As you mainly like benchmarking you can do it with this card, too  - (almost) the same fun but for a much lower price 👍

[Mr. Fox]

54 minutes ago, 1610ftw said:

 

Congratulations - it is good that nobody tried to "improve" it before so you basically got a pristine card that is unlikely to have seen any abuse. As you mainly like benchmarking you can do it with this card, too  - (almost) the same fun but for a much lower price 👍

Thanks. I think it was a great buy at $142 before tax. Plus, I have not owned a 1080 desktop GPU before, so I will get a few hardware points out of it. I'm thinking this would be a good candidate for the PTM7950 pad (rather than thermal paste) that I haven't used up yet. I think I already have all of the thermal pads needed as well.

 

I installed the RX 590 in the computer I gave to my daughter's family and both of my teenage grand daughters are super happy. They are binge-playing DOOM, Fallout 4, Fortnight and Wolfenstein New Colossus. It was an affordable (under $100) upgrade to the Titan that was struggling to keep up. They actually could not even play Fallout 4 or Fortnight with the Titan Black due to low framerates and those games exiting to the desktop randomly.

 

Now I need to decide if I want to sell the Gigabyte 4090 and use the 3090 Ti FTW3 in place of it or just have a spare GPU available if I need one. The Strix 1080 would be a great spare GPU to have handy if needed after it is repasted.

[1610ftw]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thanks. I think it was a great buy at $142 before tax. Plus, I have not owned a 1080 desktop GPU before, so I will get a few hardware points out of it. I'm thinking this would be a good candidate for the PTM7950 pad (rather than thermal paste) that I haven't used up yet. I think I already have all of the thermal pads needed as well.

 

I installed the RX 590 in the computer I gave to my daughter's family and both of my teenage grand daughters are super happy. They are binge-playing DOOM, Fallout 4, Fortnight and Wolfenstein New Colossus. It was an affordable (under $100) upgrade to the Titan that was struggling to keep up. They actually could not even play Fallout 4 or Fortnight with the Titan Black due to low framerates and those games exiting to the desktop randomly.

 

Now I need to decide if I want to sell the Gigabyte 4090 and use the 3090 Ti FTW3 in place of it or just have a spare GPU available if I need one. The Strix 1080 would be a great spare GPU to have handy if needed after it i repasted.

 

That is really cool about your grand daughters - it is always rewarding to bring family and sometimes friends to another level and it is quite interesting how cheap the hardware can be that brings about the improvement. You must also be one of the coolest grandfathers around with your knowledge of everything PC!

 

The Titan was a fantastic card in its time and it goes to show how good we have it today where mere budget cards mop the floor with it.

 

I would sell that 4090 because you got all that you wanted out of it and if you are tempted to buy again it will be good to have sold it in time.  From what I can see the 5080 will be the sweet spot with the price differential to the 5090 being a lot bigger than the performance differential which is quite the departure from last gen but if there is a KINGPIN 5090 you probably won't be able to resist 😄

 

And yes, I vote for keeping that 1080 after you have kitted it out - it will be a nice backup card and it won't be losing hundreds of dollars in value if you let it sit for a while. PTM7950 is in all my laptops recently when I have to repaste, it is just so good and stable for a very long time and it works very well with CPUs and GPUs.

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

 

Some of the old modular laptop crew may like this:

 

 

It is an interesting concept to say the least and probably what he had hinted at in a previous video.

 

Of course it is a bit of a bad joke that this unique watercooled more modular laptop that also sports a good keyboard layout is limited to 16" and rather basic memory and drive options.

 

 

Same reaction to not having an 18" version of this approach but at least they're trying. If they can aquire mobile dies  and fab their own GPUs like this, that opens up possible upgrades. They just need to keep this form factor going forward.

 

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5090 benchmarks looking not spectacular.....

 

~27% uplift in Vulcan and 14% in OpenCL: https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-appears-in-first-geekbench-opencl-vulkan-leaks

 

~20% gaming uplift with all the bells and whistles turned off but testing methodology is odd in early review leaks of the 5090D (which isn't game capped): https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-5090d-reviewer-says-this-generation-hardware-improvements-arent-massive

 

 

[1610ftw]

1 minute ago, electrosoft said:

 

Same reaction to not having an 18" version of this approach but at least they're trying. If they can aquire mobile dies  and fab their own GPUs like this, that opens up possible upgrades. They just need to keep this form factor going forward.

 

 

 

Yes it is a good start and at least it also gives the customer more options as one can combine multiple main boards and GPU boards allowing customers to finally be able to combine AMD with Nvidia even in the top tier or also maybe let the customer optimze for a more workstation like use with an Intel CPU and a 5070 but with the option to have up to 128GB of memory.

 

A big upside is that contrary to most MXM slot designs this does not make the laptop thicker which apparently is very important to everybody and one of the reasons we do not get socketed CPUs any more.

 

Overall a very smart concept and hopefully it will show good reliability. Maybe then we will see 18" next year.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Same reaction to not having an 18" version of this approach but at least they're trying. If they can aquire mobile dies  and fab their own GPUs like this, that opens up possible upgrades. They just need to keep this form factor going forward.

 

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5090 benchmarks looking not spectacular.....

 

~27% uplift in Vulcan and 14% in OpenCL: https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-appears-in-first-geekbench-opencl-vulkan-leaks

 

~20% gaming uplift with all the bells and whistles turned off but testing methodology is odd in early review leaks of the 5090D (which isn't game capped): https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-5090d-reviewer-says-this-generation-hardware-improvements-arent-massive

 

Yeah, I can't wait to sell a 4090 at a loss and drop $2000+ (probably $2500-$3000 for A$$zeus) on a small upgrade. Sign me up. NOT.

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

Some of the old modular laptop crew may like this:

 

 

It is an interesting concept to say the least and probably what he had hinted at in a previous video.

 

Of course it is a bit of a bad joke that this unique watercooled more modular laptop that also sports a good keyboard layout is limited to 16" and rather basic memory and drive options.

 

 

Hmmm.

 

 

Edit. Equal disgusting as the weather here home now. Only a phone work

https://www.nrk.no/trondelag/kraftig-vind-og-flom-stenger-skoler-og-kommuner-setter-kriseledelse-i-trondelag-1.17211331

 

 

 

[tps3443]

9 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

He's not wrong on a few points.

 

Same Node.

Same tech basically.

More cuda cores

More voltage

More memory

 

It reminds me of Nvidia's 500 series a bit when we considered that hot and power hungry stretching the node. This is also why I said before I feel like a bit of Intel at play here and Raptorlake a touch.

 

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I keep going back and forth. Still in that "Go big (5090) or go home (Used 7900xtx/9070XT/5070) mindset this time around. Do I want the absolute best performance? Am I ok with a lesser card? Tune in January 30th for the next exciting episode of, "As the tech turns."

 

I like the uncertainty of what I am going to do in less than two weeks. 🙂

 

I'm eagerly awaiting the various reviews of the 5070, 5090 and 9070xt.

 

 

I would rather just keep my current 4090 and not buy a 5090 at all. But I am going to try and buy one of course. Hopefully I can get one. If I can’t, I may very well waterblock my 4090, and use it in my build with new case/distro/etc and just keep it for a few years. I game for about 4-8 hours per week, and every time I play a game I think how fast this GPU is. 
 

But I know Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 is coming soon. I want to be ready! Though the 4090 is probably good enough. 

[electrosoft]

Something must have been up with 7.02 BIOS for the Asrock Z790i Lightning when no matter what I did, TM5 was failing even on 6400 sticks (those same sticks running rock solid on the Hero right now at 2133/6400). I went back to 6.02 and the problems disappeared. 8.02 just dropped so as a test I went BACK to 7.02 and TM5 was failing again. Went to 8.02 and now TM5 passes no problem again.

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, I can't wait to sell a 4090 at a loss and drop $2000+ (probably $2500-$3000 for A$$zeus) on a small upgrade. Sign me up. NOT.

 

Yeah, hopefully the reviews will be a bit better but actual real benchmarks out in the wild aren't exactly showing that 30-35% uplift both in OpenCL and Vulkan along with those game tests but the deluge of reviews next week will provide clarity.

 

54 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I would rather just keep my current 4090 and not buy a 5090 at all. But I am going to try and buy one of course. Hopefully I can get one. If I can’t, I may very well waterblock my 4090, and use it in my build with new case/distro/etc and just keep it for a few years. I game for about 4-8 hours per week, and every time I play a game I think how fast this GPU is. 
 

But I know Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 is coming soon. I want to be ready! Though the 4090 is probably good enough. 

 

Translation: "Hope I score a 5090, but if not I'm good with my 4090....but I really would like to score a 5090!" 🙂

 

4090 is still a monster....