*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Not Gen 5. Not enough time. Family first (as appropriate).  MSI blew their chance to go from good to great.

 

And it seems Galax killed the HOF. And if you saw that video... Kingpin not even sure it will be team Green. Could it be that Nvidia now have fully control what the different AIB parners engineers can do with Nvidia cards? This doesn't look great.

 

And for MSI.... The new Lightning cards can only be different in design and function (5 fans) but nothing more. Just a better cooling to squize out 1 or 2 bin higher boost clocks than all of the pack so called high end flagship cards. 

 

Edit. And who knows... Maybe Nvidia once again start offer the Ti variant or a Titan for 3000$ a few months after the release of 5090. 

GeForce RTX 5090 with 24,576 CUDA Cores and 800W power consumption appears RTX 5090 Ti? RTX TITAN?

[Mr. Fox]

11 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

And it seems Galax killed the HOF. And if you saw that video... Kingpin not even sure it will be team Green. Could it be that Nvidia now have fully control what the different AIB parners engineers can do with Nvidia cards? This doesn't look great.

 

And for MSI.... The new Lighning cards can only be different in design and function (5 fans) but nothing more. Just a better cooling to squize out 1 or2 bin higher boost clocks.

Enthusiast Gamer PC = Console = everyone gets a trophy for participation = every enthusiast gamer experience is the same ...but PC costs more. Because they can, and PC enthusiasts gamers continue saying yes to getting screwed.

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Not Gen 5. Not enough time. Family first (as appropriate).  MSI blew their chance to go from good to great.

 

Props for him basically telling Asus to kick rocks though.....

 

He liked PNY but time and priorities makes total sense and I would love to see him create an AMD Kingpin card. Total shock to the system.

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

And it seems Galax killed the HOF. And if you saw that video... Kingpin not even sure it will be team Green. Could it be that Nvidia now have fully control what the different AIB parners engineers can do with Nvidia cards? This doesn't look great.

 

And for MSI.... The new Lightning cards can only be different in design and function (5 fans) but nothing more. Just a better cooling to squize out 1 or 2 bin higher boost clocks than all of the pack so called high end flagship cards. 

 

Edit. And who knows... Maybe Nvidia once again start offer the Ti variant or a Titan for 3000$ a few months after the release of 5090. 

GeForce RTX 5090 with 24,576 CUDA Cores and 800W power consumption appears RTX 5090 Ti? RTX TITAN?

 

At the start, Nvidia was fully an enthusiast company but over each generation Jensen has gone full Steve Jobs and continues to try and take control of everything. Seriously, if they had the production capacity of Apple, I think they would even stop selling to AIBs.

 

But in Nvidia's defense, it isn't like AMD doesn't compete with their own board partners too with their in house reference designs.

 

Definitely a Titan this time around if it appears at all. A 5090ti makes zero sense when a $3k+ Titan makes all the sense in the world on many levels.

 

 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Definitely a Titan this time around if it appears at all. A 5090ti makes zero sense when a $3k+ Titan makes all the sense in the world on many levels.

 

Yep, I think they want the creators money so a Titan class is in the cards. As well a xx80 Ti for the gamers at $1500. 

 

On 1/15/2025 at 10:22 PM, Papusan said:

And Zotac is so kind give you 25W more for the more expensive custom cards. Isn't it fantastic? The only thing we need now from Nvidia is a proper signing key to stop cross-flashing.

ZOTAC RTX 5090 AMP Extreme INFINITY: this is the first custom graphics card to reach 600W as standard

 

Edit. Suprim 5090 SOC also have 600W vbios. The cards weight 2840 g

https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-5090-32G-SUPRIM-SOC/Specification

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

18 hours ago, tps3443 said:

So apparently the Suprim 5090 only has DP 2.1a, while the Astral and the FE have DP 2.1B support. I am not a complete expert on the differences between 2.1a or 2.1b as far as I know 2.1b is better with the ability to run longer display port cable at higher bandwidth since 2.1b has “DP80LL” support or something like that. 

 

It’s kind of random which models have DP 2.1a or DP2.1b. Like the Zotac AMP Extreme even has 2.1b lol, but the Suprim doesn’t. This is pretty silly. 
 

This makes me want to shoot for the Astral or FE model, or maybe even the Zotac lol.

 

I am excited to get one though. I will probably try to snag a Founder Edition model first, and if I can’t, I will get an Astral.
 

Being completely honest, there’s not a huge selection of models. Would love to see some more options from Gigabyte/Aorus maybe even PNY as well. 

 

 

dont worry about DP 2.1a vs. 2.1b. ALL RTX 5000 series sport DP 2.1b. the standards are interchangeable, 2.1b is basically just a functionality update with regards to active cables. thus, 2.1b = 2.1a with active cables, thats it.

 

look again at the specs page @Papusan just posted for the Suprim:

 

since 2.1b was only just announced at CES, im guessing not all vendors have updated their GPU specs yet, thats it 🙂 

 

btw, interesting to see that the Astral weighs about 200g more or roughly +7% vs. the Suprim. I wonder if this is due to extra heatpipes, larger VC or if thats just due to the extra fan....hmmm

[tps3443]

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

dont worry about DP 2.1a vs. 2.1b. ALL RTX 5000 series sport DP 2.1b. the standards are interchangeable, 2.1b is basically just a functionality update with regards to active cables. thus, 2.1b = 2.1a with active cables, thats it.

 

look again at the specs page @Papusan just posted for the Suprim:

 

since 2.1b was only just announced at CES, im guessing not all vendors have updated their GPU specs yet, thats it 🙂 

 

btw, interesting to see that the Astral weighs about 200g more or roughly +7% vs. the Suprim. I wonder if this is due to extra heatpipes, larger VC or if thats just due to the extra fan....hmmm

That astral is a CHONKER! Part of me wants to try for an FE model just to see how I like it. It’s probably going to be $400-$500 dollars cheaper as well. It has Liquid Metal so I imagine the cooling will still be very good compared to the larger 3 slot cards. 
 

Are you avoiding the FE model? I’m mainly interested due to price. If I can save $300-$500 dollars then heck yes! 
 

But yeah the Astral looks great! I am probably going to put either one on water. So the more I save the better. I am considering the Asus TUF as well. I guess the 4090 Strix/TUF were always identical in the past, I’m not sure if the same thing will happen this gen though. 

[Mr. Fox]

Newer is always better newer. This guy is spot on. (Channel does not allow video embedding.)

I love seeing any PC tech ranting about the absolute  trash we are being sold. (Software and hardware trash.)

https://youtu.be/JgDZF5Aiums?si=dPXzMO1B9QgVDO41

[electrosoft]

3Dmark leaks for the 5090: https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-3dmark-performance-leaks-out

 

So basically a 20-30% uplift overall in games as predicted and synthetic tests showing varying results

 

Timespy is about a 29% uplift (1440) but Extreme (4k) shows ~27%

On the other hand, port royal (RT) shows a bigger improvement of ~34% as does Steel Nomad 4k of a whopping ~42%

 

RT seems to have gotten a bigger boost this time around vs raster a bit.

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

17 hours ago, tps3443 said:

That astral is a CHONKER! Part of me wants to try for an FE model just to see how I like it. It’s probably going to be $400-$500 dollars cheaper as well. It has Liquid Metal so I imagine the cooling will still be very good compared to the larger 3 slot cards. 
 

Are you avoiding the FE model? I’m mainly interested due to price. If I can save $300-$500 dollars then heck yes! 
 

But yeah the Astral looks great! I am probably going to put either one on water. So the more I save the better. I am considering the Asus TUF as well. I guess the 4090 Strix/TUF were always identical in the past, I’m not sure if the same thing will happen this gen though. 

 

be careful when going the FE route, blocking it will not be easy due to its freaky 3 board design...

 

37 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

3Dmark leaks for the 5090: https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-3dmark-performance-leaks-out

 

So basically a 20-30% uplift overall in games as predicted and synthetic tests showing varying results

 

Timespy is about a 29% uplift (1440) but Extreme (4k) shows ~27%

On the other hand, port royal (RT) shows a bigger improvement of ~34% as does Steel Nomad 4k of a whopping ~42%

 

RT seems to have gotten a bigger boost this time around vs raster a bit.

 

nice to see! 4K + RT is what a card like the 5090 is made for! 🙂 

[electrosoft]

5 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

be careful when going the FE route, blocking it will not be easy due to its freaky 3 board design...

 

 

Yeah, if I was blocking a card, the FE would be a non starter for me on many levels. I'd snag a Suprim. I don't think I'd want to block the Astral it's so pretty. 🤣

 

8 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

nice to see! 4K + RT is what a card like the 5090 is made for! 🙂 

 

Yeah, it is going to be a monster for 4k RT games......like WoW you know. 😅

 

Fallout not so much but still a nice little boost to raster. Problem is 3090->4090 is really a once in a lifetime uplift and spoiled us, but the uplift from the 4090->5090 is smaller than any of the previous 4 generations so there's a reason to grumble there too.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

be careful when going the FE route, blocking it will not be easy due to its freaky 3 board design...

I don't remember which cooling component vendor mentioned it, maybe it was Alphacool, but it's going to be enough of a pain in the butt that it would not surprise me at all if nobody makes a block for it. If the AIB cards use a conventional PCB layout instead of that cobbled together abortion they might just say no to the idea of making one for the FE card. If I were a manufacturer of GPU waterblocks I'd say no to that one. Not worth the hassle. They would have to build some kind of frame to hold the pieces rather than just attaching everything to a brittle piece of acrylic.

 

The cynical part of me believe that the Green Goblin did this deliberately to impair any kind of aftermarket modification and to make repairing (versus buying a new GPU) more difficult.

 

52 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Problem is 3090->4090 is really a once in a lifetime uplift and spoiled us, but the uplift from the 4090->5090 is smaller than any of the previous 4 generations so there's a reason to grumble there too.

Yes, Roman brought that out in his video. I can't help but think seeing a @der8auer video highlighting that historically below average performance bump is going to not set well with some people entertaining the idea of dropping a ton of money on a 5090 if they already own a 4090. I hope that sales falter hard at launch and NVIDIA has to lower the price to 4090 MSRP to move inventory. That would be awesome.

 

Not that I care much, but I am eager to learn what the deal is with the radio silence on Radeon 9070 XT. I don't recall whose YouTube video it was, but I heard that retailers have had them in stock for over a month but can't put them up for sale yet. AMD has not given them a green light to sell or given any guidance on pricing. Maybe AMD are waiting on NVIDIA products to launch in order to see where the 9070 XT falls into the performance stack with NVIDIA's cards so they can decide how much they can charge for it. It would be hard to price and market something accurately if you don't have a clue what it compares to with the competitor's product or the price of that product.

[Papusan]

 

Also Pcgamer have re-tested Arrow Lake after Intel's new performance fixes. Same here as other have seen. Yup, some say they (reviewers) don't test it properly. But hey,t hey test it same way as with previous tests. If the results don't improve with same test methodology... Nothing is really fixed. 

 

You need test apples vs apples (vs the tests done before). Not vs oranges. And not with some obscure tweaks to try geek out some more performance with the fix.

Arrow Lake's had three months of Windows and BIOS updates to fix its performance, and my testing shows in some games, it's worse

 

NVIDIA Details Cool Engineering That Lead To A Smaller GeForce RTX 5090. Yup... First we had Jokebooks  now its time for the desktops.

 

 

 

Nvidia and their double standards....

NVIDIA's scammed NDAs and why some media seem to be more equal than equal

[Raiderman]

56 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I don't remember which cooling component vendor mentioned it, maybe it was Alphacool, but it's going to be enough of a pain in the butt that it would not surprise me at all if nobody makes a block for it. If the AIB cards use a conventional PCB layout instead of that cobbled together abortion they might just say no to the idea of making one for the FE card. If I were a manufacturer of GPU waterblocks I'd say no to that one. Not worth the hassle. They would have to build some kind of frame to hold the pieces rather than just attaching everything to a brittle piece of acrylic.

 

The cynical part of me believe that the Green Goblin did this deliberately to impair any kind of aftermarket modification and to make repairing (versus buying a new GPU) more difficult.

 

Yes, Roman brought that out in his video. I can't help but think seeing a @der8auer video highlighting that historically below average performance bump is going to not set well with some people entertaining the idea of dropping a ton of money on a 5090 if they already own a 4090. I hope that sales falter hard at launch and NVIDIA has to lower the price to 4090 MSRP to move inventory. That would be awesome.

 

Not that I care much, but I am eager to learn what the deal is with the radio silence on Radeon 9070 XT. I don't recall whose YouTube video it was, but I heard that retailers have had them in stock for over a month but can't put them up for sale yet. AMD has not given them a green light to sell or given any guidance on pricing. Maybe AMD are waiting on NVIDIA products to launch in order to see where the 9070 XT falls into the performance stack with NVIDIA's cards so they can decide how much they can charge for it. It would be hard to price and market something accurately if you don't have a clue what it compares to with the competitor's product or the price of that product.

I'm hoping AMD has a higher end card in the waiting, the 9070 does not peak my interest in the slightest. Nor does the 5090 with it's gold plated price tag.

[jaybee83]

MSI pricing updates taken from overclock.net:

 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I don't remember which cooling component vendor mentioned it, maybe it was Alphacool, but it's going to be enough of a pain in the butt that it would not surprise me at all if nobody makes a block for it. If the AIB cards use a conventional PCB layout instead of that cobbled together abortion they might just say no to the idea of making one for the FE card. If I were a manufacturer of GPU waterblocks I'd say no to that one. Not worth the hassle. They would have to build some kind of frame to hold the pieces rather than just attaching everything to a brittle piece of acrylic.

 

The cynical part of me believe that the Green Goblin did this deliberately to impair any kind of aftermarket modification and to make repairing (versus buying a new GPU) more difficult.

 

Yes, Roman brought that out in his video. I can't help but think seeing a @der8auer video highlighting that historically below average performance bump is going to not set well with some people entertaining the idea of dropping a ton of money on a 5090 if they already own a 4090. I hope that sales falter hard at launch and NVIDIA has to lower the price to 4090 MSRP to move inventory. That would be awesome.

 

Not that I care much, but I am eager to learn what the deal is with the radio silence on Radeon 9070 XT. I don't recall whose YouTube video it was, but I heard that retailers have had them in stock for over a month but can't put them up for sale yet. AMD has not given them a green light to sell or given any guidance on pricing. Maybe AMD are waiting on NVIDIA products to launch in order to see where the 9070 XT falls into the performance stack with NVIDIA's cards so they can decide how much they can charge for it. It would be hard to price and market something accurately if you don't have a clue what it compares to with the competitor's product or the price of that product.

 

They could have crammed a more classic PCB into another 3090/4090 retrofit, but they are also forward thinking and redesign it from the ground up. The logic here is with this new design if *IF* TDP goes up to let's say 700-800w, they can increase the fin stack and density towards the 4090 levels potentially a push/pull design to compensate or fall back on the prototype 4090 approach.

 

Additional cynicism, it also makes it harder to put it back together with no signs of tampering for repair claims.

 

---

 

It really is shaping up to be a Super Super for the 5080 on down but it is a bit more than a Ti/Super on the top but not by much but again, uplifts of 27-43% is nothing to scoff at. The price on the other hand.....

 

I would love to think sales will be lower, but they won't. Enthusiasts and gamers (along with budding AI fans) will snap them up almost immediately. We won't see any downturn in sales for several months once early adopters simmer down.

 

I am almost sure AMD was shocked at Nvidia's pricing and had to do an about face and pump the breaks because they thought Nvidia was going to come in at least $50-100 higher (if not more) across a few price points. This also doesn't bode well for the 9070xt's performance. We know the 7900xtx is going to be more powerful. If it comes in at 7900GRE levels of performance and is over $600 it is DOA. It will need 7900XT levels of performance and be right around $600 or less to be competitive.

 

-----

 

On another note @Mr. Fox, what's the V/F table on your SP112 14900KS? Curious to see what it's points are.

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Also Pcgamer have re-tested Arrow Lake after Intel's new performance fixes. Same here as other have seen. Yup, some say they (reviewers) don't test it properly. But hey,they test it same way as with previous tests. If the results don't improve... Nothing is really fixed. 

Arrow Lake's had three months of Windows and BIOS updates to fix its performance, and my testing shows in some games, it's worse

 

NVIDIA Details Cool Engineering That Lead To A Smaller GeForce RTX 5090. Yup... First we had Jokebooks  now its time for the desktops.

 

 

 

Nvidia and their double standards....

NVIDIA's scammed NDAs and why some media seem to be more equal than equal

 

Arrow Lake is a worthy upgrade outside of gaming. Cooler running, new node, new technologies and a better overall performer on average than 14th gen.....just not in games. It is that poor gaming performance that made it DOA for me.

 

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

I'm hoping AMD has a higher end card in the waiting, the 9070 does not peak my interest in the slightest. Nor does the 5090 with it's gold plated price tag.

 

I thought the same thing too. Imagine a mid cycle 9090xtx with twice the power and memory...you know, kind of what like Nvidia did with the 5080 and 5090.

 

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

MSI pricing updates taken from overclock.net:

 

 

 

WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

$2500 for a 5090 Suprim Liquid?! That's $2665USD out of my pocket. Even the 5090 Suprim Air is $2559USD out of my pocket!

 

Even the bottom tier Ventus is 10% higher than MSRP models = almost $2350 out of my pocket.

 

I'm out. I'm not paying that much for a 5090 and quite frankly in hindsight I'm double glad I sold my 4090 and got back what I paid for it which was ~$1900  after tax.

 

Either I get an FE or an MSRP model that I actually desire (I see none so far) or I'm content to rock a 4070 Super, 5070 or discounted 7900xtx. I'd even go for a used, cheaper 4080 Super at this point and be good to go no matter how amazing the 5090 performance is.

 

Those prices are insanity levels! 🤣

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

MSI pricing updates taken from overclock.net:

 

Wow! The Suprim liquid is very tempting. But I’ll probably go with the regular Suprim instead. Maybe the Astral. 
 

I’ll probably waterblock it, and I can’t see pulling that cooler off the Suprim Liquid being a smart move. 

[tps3443]

51 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

They could have crammed a more classic PCB into another 3090/4090 retrofit, but they are also forward thinking and redesign it from the ground up. The logic here is with this new design if *IF* TDP goes up to let's say 700-800w, they can increase the fin stack and density towards the 4090 levels potentially a push/pull design to compensate or fall back on the prototype 4090 approach.

 

Additional cynicism, it also makes it harder to put it back together with no signs of tampering for repair claims.

 

---

 

It really is shaping up to be a Super Super for the 5080 on down but it is a bit more than a Ti/Super on the top but not by much but again, uplifts of 27-43% is nothing to scoff at. The price on the other hand.....

 

I would love to think sales will be lower, but they won't. Enthusiasts and gamers (along with budding AI fans) will snap them up almost immediately. We won't see any downturn in sales for several months once early adopters simmer down.

 

I am almost sure AMD was shocked at Nvidia's pricing and had to do an about face and pump the breaks because they thought Nvidia was going to come in at least $50-100 higher (if not more) across a few price points. This also doesn't bode well for the 9070xt's performance. We know the 7900xtx is going to be more powerful. If it comes in at 7900GRE levels of performance and is over $600 it is DOA. It will need 7900XT levels of performance and be right around $600 or less to be competitive.

 

-----

 

On another note @Mr. Fox, what's the V/F table on your SP112 14900KS? Curious to see what it's points are.

 

 

 

 

 

Arrow Lake is a worthy upgrade outside of gaming. Cooler running, new node, new technologies and a better overall performer on average than 14th gen.....just not in games. It is that poor gaming performance that made it DOA for me.

 

 

I thought the same thing too. Imagine a mid cycle 9090xtx with twice the power and memory...you know, kind of what like Nvidia did with the 5080 and 5090.

 

 

 

WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

$2500 for a 5090 Suprim Liquid?! That's $2665USD out of my pocket. Even the 5090 Suprim Air is $2559USD out of my pocket!

 

Even the bottom tier Ventus is 10% higher than MSRP models = almost $2350 out of my pocket.

 

I'm out. I'm not paying that much for a 5090 and quite frankly in hindsight I'm double glad I sold my 4090 and got back what I paid for it which was ~$1900  after tax.

 

Either I get an FE or an MSRP model that I actually desire (I see none so far) or I'm content to rock a 4070 Super, 5070 or discounted 7900xtx. I'd even go for a used, cheaper 4080 Super at this point and be good to go no matter how amazing the 5090 performance is.

 

Those prices are insanity levels! 🤣

I was expecting these prices, and they are exactly what I thought they’d be. Top dawg AIB’s are always 25% more expensive than the Founder Edition models. 
 

If the 5080 FE is $999, and the Suprim X 5080 is $1,199 or $1,249. Then $2,399 for 5090 Suprim X sounds about right to me. Now, I think the Astral will be $2,549 or $2,599 for sure. I’m maxed out at $2,700. The main reason why I wanted the 5090 FE was to save $500 bucks though lol. Even if I could never put a waterblock on it I’d still get one. Although, typically these water cooling manufactures always make the fanciest waterblocks for the FE cards everytime. That was another reason. 
 

I do not have a Nvidia Store account so my chances are slim. I cannot make a Nvidia store account before launch in preparation because you can’t buy anything from Nvidia that ship from Nvidia to allow me to make an account. So I’ll probably try Best Buy. 

[Mr. Fox]

58 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

On another note @Mr. Fox, what's the V/F table on your SP112 14900KS? Curious to see what it's points are.

My 13900KS is SP112. The 14900KS I bought from @tps3443is SP108. Their voltage requirements and MC are very similar.

 

14900KS SP108 (current install in my Z790 Apex)

13900KS SP112 (currently installed in my Z790i Edge)

[electrosoft]

20 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I was expecting these prices, and they are exactly what I thought they’d be. Top dawg AIB’s are always 25% more expensive than the Founder Edition models. 
 

If the 5080 FE is $999, and the Suprim X 5080 is $1,199 or $1,249. Then $2,399 for 5090 Suprim X sounds about right to me. Now, I think the Astral will be $2,549 or $2,599 for sure. I’m maxed out at $2,700. The main reason why I wanted the 5090 FE was to save $500 bucks though lol. Even if I could never put a waterblock on it I’d still get one. Although, typically these water cooling manufactures always make the fanciest waterblocks for the FE cards everytime. That was another reason. 
 

I do not have a Nvidia Store account so my chances are slim. I cannot make a Nvidia store account before launch in preparation because you can’t buy anything from Nvidia that ship from Nvidia to allow me to make an account. So I’ll probably try Best Buy. 

 

I wasn't because the Liquid Suprim 4090 was $1749 vs $1599 MSRP (less than 10% markup) for the 4090 so at most I was expecting ~$2200 or even $2250 not a full 100%+ markup over their last difference between MSRP 4090 and Liquid models.

 

Insane.

 

I'll half heartedly take a stab at an FE due to price, flexibility and SFF potential but that's about it and when they drop. At a certain point, you just have to take your foot off the pedal and go, "done!"

 

When a GPU after tax is closer to 3k than 2k it's time to rethink things a bit especially for the smallest jump in performance in 4 generations.

 

38 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

My 13900KS is SP112. The 14900KS I bought from @tps3443is SP108. Their voltage requirements and MC are very similar.

 

14900KS SP108 (current install in my Z790 Apex)

13900KS SP112 (currently installed in my Z790i Edge)

 

Ahhh, ok! Over on the OC forums, you said you had a 14900KS SP112 and I was like, "whoa! When did Foxy get one of those!! I need to take a looksy at the V/F table on that puppy!" 🙂

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I wasn't because the Liquid Suprim 4090 was $1749 vs $1599 MSRP (less than 10% markup) for the 4090 so at most I was expecting ~$2200 or even $2250 not a full 100%+ markup over their last difference between MSRP 4090 and Liquid models.

 

Insane.

 

I'll half heartedly take a stab at an FE due to price, flexibility and SFF potential but that's about it and when they drop. At a certain point, you just have to take your foot off the pedal and go, "done!"

 

When a GPU after tax is closer to 3k than 2k it's time to rethink things a bit especially for the smallest jump in performance in 4 generations.

 

 

Ahhh, ok! Over on the OC forums, you said you had a 14900KS SP112 and I was like, "whoa! When did Foxy get one of those!! I need to take a looksy at the V/F table on that puppy!" 🙂

 

I've had so many I can't keep them straight and sometimes my brain thinks one thing and my fingers type something different.

 

Those 5090 prices are WAY beyond reasonable.  People paying prices like that help ruin everything for the people not willing to. Those prices are really $hi**y. We are talking K|NGP|N and Galax HOF prices for crappy, emasculated, mass-production gamer-grade trash. $1,000 more than they would be if NVIDIA wasn't deliberately screwing everyone.

 

Somebody needs to get Jensen in a dark alley and just beat the snot out of him.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I've had so many I can't keep them straight and sometimes my brain thinks one thing and my fingers type something difference.

 

Those 5090 prices are WAY beyond reasonable.  People paying prices like that help ruin everything for the people not willing to. Those prices are really $hi**y. We are talking K|NGP|N and Galax HOF prices for crappy, emasculated, mass-production gamer-grade trash. $1,000 more than they would be if NVIDIA wasn't deliberately screwing everyone.

 

Somebody needs to get Jensen in a dark alley and just beat the snot out of him.

 

I do that quite frequently lol. 🙂

 

@tps3443 Looking at the MSI markup, it is actually over a **200%** markup over the 4090 ($150->$500) for the Liquid 4090 on top of an already $400 price increase between the 4090 and 5090.

 

Absolutely bonkers.

 

 

[win32asmguy]

35 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I do that quite frequently lol. 🙂

 

@tps3443 Looking at the MSI markup, it is actually over a **200%** markup over the 4090 ($150->$500) for the Liquid 4090 on top of an already $400 price increase between the 4090 and 5090.

 

Absolutely bonkers.

 

These prices make me feel like the 1100 I paid out the door for the 4080 Super Ventus 3X OC was decent. There is someone local with a used 4090 FE but he wants 1750 which I feel is too much.

[Mr. Fox]

10 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

These prices make me feel like the 1100 I paid out the door for the 4080 Super Ventus 3X OC was decent. There is someone local with a used 4090 FE but he wants 1750 which I feel is too much.

My Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC was $1500 and my MSI 4090 Suprim (air) was like $1700. My K|NGP|N 3090 was $1999.  My EVGA refurbished 3090 Ti FTW3 was $800 on NewEgg.

 

TL;DR - way too much money for a used 4090 FE. He is trying to sell it for as much or more than NVIDIA or Best Buy sold it for (depending on when you bought it). I bet if he sticks to his guns someone very foolish and fiscally irresponsible will pay that for it.

 

Once prices go up they seldom ever come down, even when the circumstances that stimulated the price increase to avoid losses no longer exist. Instead of correcting, profits are maximized. The only thing that allows that to happen is the existence and cooperation of foolish purchasers that are willing to overpay and exacerbate the problem rather than do without something they want.

 

It seems like the prices of refurbished, used and new obsolete GPUs (4090 and older) just recently saw a bit of a price jump, maybe based on the 5090 pricing so ludicrous. The only appropriately priced to value GPUs are the mid-range models and a lot of us have no desire to purchase mid-range price-conscious (budget) gamer trash.

[Mr. Fox]

I bought another IceMan Cooling direct touch RAM block. Delivery this time was fast... like one week. I decided to leave the magnetic black trim off this time so that accessing the screws did not require removing the fittings. The black trim looks nice, but not worth the extra effort needed. RAM temps are 1°C higher than the water in the loop.

[Papusan]

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5763334_papusan_y_cruncher___pi_1b_core_i9_14900ks_14_sec_133_ms?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5763338_papusan_geekbench3___multi_core_core_i9_14900ks_131068_points?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5763335_papusan_7_zip_core_i9_14900ks_253981_mips?recalculate=true

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I bought another IceMan Cooling direct touch RAM block. Delivery this time was fast... like one week. I decided to leave the magnetic black trim off this time so that accessing the screws did not require removing the fittings. The black trim looks nice, but not worth the extra effort needed. RAM temps are 1°C higher than the water in the loop.

 

Looking very good. Very pretty 🙂

 

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I don't remember which cooling component vendor mentioned it, maybe it was Alphacool, but it's going to be enough of a pain in the butt that it would not surprise me at all if nobody makes a block for it.

 

Eddy at Alphacool said nope. No block for FE. EDIT in this post

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

It seems like the prices of old stock, refurbished, used and new obsolete GPUs (4090 and older) just recently saw a bit of a price jump, maybe based on the 5090 pricing so ludicrous.

 

Because of the failure 5080 with 16GB vram