*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[johnksss]

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

It does OK on 3D benching. It's really close to the 14900KS in almost every way other than the core ratio limits. It does better in Cinebench because it's not crippled by smartphone cores like the 14900KS. I haven't been able to beat my 3D benchmarks set with 14900KF/KS using the 9950X, but my best GPU is still installed in the Z890 Apex.

Wait, you have a Z890 Apex?

[Mr. Fox]

14 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Wait, you have a Z890 Apex?

No, sorry that's a typo. Let me fix it.

 

Edit: fixed. Thanks for saying something.

  

16 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It does OK on 3D benching. It's really close to the 14900KS in almost every way other than the core ratio limits. It does better in Cinebench because it's not crippled by smartphone cores like the 14900KS. I haven't been able to beat my 3D benchmarks set with 14900KF/KS using the 9950X, but my best GPU is still installed in the Z790 Apex so it's not a level playing field on the GPU side. The 9950X is running the weaker Gigabyte 4090.

I still prefer my LGA1700 i9 CPUs. I think they are better overall, but by a very narrow margin. If I were a gamer I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

  

20 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Was trying to see if the 285K made some type of a break through, but it would seem it's still basically sitting in the same position as when it first showed up.

I think it is probably got some things to offer people that enjoy overclocking more than AMD does. AMD seems to be in a perpetual state of mediocrity with no real drive or passion for winning at anything. I don't think Intel has lost the desire as much as made some very stupid decisions in terms of CPU design. In fact, I like that winning is so important to them that their passion was killing their CPUs. There is an element of awesome to that.

 

Edited Saturday at 10:36 PM by Mr. Fox
fixed typo

[johnksss]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

No, sorry that's a typo. Let me fix it.

 

Edit: fixed. Thanks for saying something.

  

I still prefer my LGA1700 i9 CPUs. I think they are better overall, but by a very narrow margin. If I were a gamer I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

 

Ah, okay. I was wondering about that.

 

I know what you mean. I don't really notice anything unless i drop it down to some like 4.0 ghz or something like that. I do have to lower it 5.0 ghz for COD else COD won't even load up. And some other game that I can't think of at the moment.

[electrosoft]

Well, mystery solved.

 

It was the memory.

 

Pulled the 2x32GB G.Skill A-die and slapped in the 2x24GB 6400 kit that was a freebie with the 9800X3D bundle and just like that everything is working right as rain in WoW and everywhere else.

 

Those sticks were problematic on the x670e hero and x870e hero. I'm starting to think they are failing (or at least one of them).

 

 

Here is what it looked like when the 2x32GB sticks were installed:

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, johnksss said:

Ah, okay. I was wondering about that.

 

I know what you mean. I don't really notice anything unless i drop it down to some like 4.0 ghz or something like that. I do have to lower it 5.0 ghz for COD else COD won't even load up. And some other game that I can't think of at the moment.

You have to lower your 14900KS to 5.0GHz or COD won't load?

 

Even though I don't think 5090 is worth buying at the current price, I probably wouldn't be buying one if it was priced at the same MSRP as the 5080. I still have about $4K worth of medical bills from 2024 (deductible and co-pays) and will be racking up another $3800 in deductible and co-pays when I start my cancer treatment on 2/12.

  

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Well, mystery solved.

 

It was the memory.

 

Pulled the 2x32GB G.Skill A-die and slapped in the 2x24GB 6400 kit that was a freebie with the 9800X3D bundle and just like that everything is working right as rain in WoW and everywhere else.

 

Those sticks were problematic on the x670e hero and x870e hero. I'm starting to think they are failing (or at least one of them).

 

 

Here is what it looked like when the 2x32GB sticks were installed:

 

The combination of random lousy DDR5 memory samples and fussy/finicky nature of Ryzen CPUs can be very frustrating. The only memory that works excellent for me with the 9950X are the 2x16GB G.SKILL Neo 8000 sticks. The G.SKILL 2x24GB 8000 XMP kit is crazy flaky with it. The 2x24GB TG Xtreme 8200 kit works OK with the 9950X but doesn't work as well as the 8000 Neo. The XMP and EXPO profiles universally suck. The 9950X doesn't even want to POST with the G.SKILL XMP 8000 profile. It easily boots the TG 8200 XMP profile, but seems laggy with the 2x24GB modules. Manual timings are the only thing that I can say actually works well. What's interesting is that any of them work fine and perform about the same installed in the Z790 Apex.

 

Moving from the 4-DIMM Cabron (yes I meant to type that) to the 2-DIMM Gene didn't really change anything in terms of performance but the memory overclock got easier and requires less memory voltage. I haven't tested the G.SKILL XMP 8000 48GB kit or the TG Xtreem 8200 48GB kits on the Gene mobo but there's probably nothing to be gained since the EXPO 8000 32GB kit works great and I don't have to waste time re-tuning everything if I just leave it alone. I don't really know what is different about the EXPO kit because I am using custom manual timings, but the EXPO kit seems to always cooperate.

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

If Willy Wonka selects me for a golden ticket I will let you have it since I am not interested. This is the only model that has the silly drawing. The better models are not available, but I am not sure the "better" models are actually better. Looks like Buildzoid is finding basically that they are mostly all the same products with different coolers and sucker prices for those that still believe more expensive models are better. 

 

Thank you so much!!! Greatly appreciated! 🙏 

[johnksss]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

You have to lower your 14900KS to 5.0GHz or COD won't load?

 

Even though I don't think 5090 is worth buying at the current price, I probably wouldn't be buying one if it was priced at the same MSRP as the 5080. I still have about $4K worth of medical bills from 2024 (deductible and co-pays) and will be racking up another $3800 in deductible and co-pays when I start my cancer treatment on 2/12.

  

Yes, that is correct with my current setup. And I had to find that answer online at the time.

 

It surely is NOT worth the current price with of course taxes.

 

Personal bills are far more important than entertainment cost that may or may not be entertaining enough to warrant the purchase!

[Mr. Fox]

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threads/piece-of-junk.408651/post-2314773

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Maybe gaming on a real computer would help.

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[Papusan]

 

Intel is flooding in problems. Stop making trash. Maybe it will be better. Today's desktop chips come with no HT and loads of babies. On top... Can't make any gaming chips anymore because all the money is put into chips for power efficient Jokebooks. 

 

Intel's situation is much more serious than it seems: Clearwater Forest CPUs are delayed until 2026

Intel's financial data for the first quarter of 2025 has been as bad as the company had expected. In fact, after announcing this data, the stock market barely fell, which means that investors were expecting similar values...

 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5773348_papusan_gpupi_for_cpu___1b_core_i9_14900ks_28_sec_633_ms?recalculate=true

[Mr. Fox]

It may be a blessing in disguise that none are available. NVIDIA didn't give partners adequate time for product development. Sounds like they had 2 weeks or less to design, test, validate and release products. We're already guineau pigs far too often, but this is absurd.  Seems like EVGA might have been really smart for calling it quits when they did. I think Roman's explanation of why scalpers exist is probably very accurate. They would not exist if there was an adequate supply of product and idiots wouldn't pay more than a product is worth because there would be no reason for them to.

 

[jaybee83]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It may be a blessing in disguise that none are available. NVIDIA didn't give partners adequate time for product development. Sounds like they had 2 weeks or less to design, test, validate and release products. We're already guineau pigs far too often, but this is absurd.  Seems like EVGA might have been really smart for calling it quits when they did. I think Roman's explanation of why scalpers exist is probably very accurate. They would not exist if there was an adequate supply of product and idiots wouldn't pay more than a product is worth because there would be no reason for them to.

 

 

just saw romans vid on this, completely agree on your take here. with this little prep time by the vendors, id rather wait 2-3 months so that i can be sure my 3000+€ gpu will not go up in magic smoke once i put it through the ringer....

 

update on the RTX 50 series data for germany:

 

total votes: 4401

out of which:

44% did not even try to buy a card (= 1948)

42% tried buying one but failed (= 1870)

7% managed to get their hands on a 5080 (= 325)

3% managed to get their hands on a 5090 (= 111)

3% misc. (= 147)

 

aint that lovely? success rate of 2.5% with a total of a whopping 111x 5090s 😄 curious how many of those were aided by bots...

[Papusan]

On 1/30/2025 at 9:05 PM, Papusan said:

 

Not so sure about that. Rememeber citizens in Europa pay from 19-25% taxes on top of the bill.

 

And if Jensen was smart. Start flood the US market with loads of cards before the tax become an reality. 

 

But who knows... Nvidia and Jensen will prioritice China before anything.

 

Too late. Already here. Be prepered to pay 1/4 extra for everything. What cost $100 USD will cost $125 forwards.  So welcome to the Norwegian tax hell. Only a very few will earn on this. The wealthy one. All norm<al people will get what I have hated the last +3 decades. Forget the past... Hail the future. Mr Musk will laught of all the stupids in flock. He already showed this earlier last month. There is no winners. Only loosers outside those with more than you.

 

I won't be happier when I see my friends on the other side of the big ocean get less than what they have now. Just sadder. More doesn't mean more. Only for a few. Just less for everyone. Same as what Dell offer for all that want PC hardware. Less and less for more money. Greed will take another turn. 

 

Yup @Reciever. The reality is now reality without me naming whats going on. Maybe I'm finally paying less than Americans have to pay for modern/next gen tech. 

[Mr. Fox]

On 2/1/2025 at 3:14 PM, johnksss said:

How does it fair with 3d benching? Better or worse than the 14900KS?

On 2/1/2025 at 3:19 PM, Mr. Fox said:

It does OK on 3D benching. It's really close to the 14900KS in almost every way other than the core ratio limits

For some perspective... nearly identical and within a margin of error. If I didn't know which system I was playing on the difference would be indiscernible. The 14900KS is running the memory at 8600 but the memory clock does not seem to have much of an effect on the 9950X in any 3D workload and very minimal in CPU workload as best I can tell.

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[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Too late. Already here. Be prepered to pay 1/4 extra for everything. What cost $100 USD will cost $125 forwards.  So welcome to the Norwegian tax hell. Only a very few will earn on this. The wealthy one. All norm<al people will get what I have hated the last +3 decades. Forget the past... Hail the future. Mr Musk will laught of all the stupids in flock. He already showed this earlier last month. There is no winners. Only loosers outside those with more than you.

 

I won't be happier when I see my friends on the other side of the big ocean get less than what they have now. Just sadder. More doesn't mean more. Only for a few. Just less for everyone. Same as what Dell offer for all that want PC hardware. Less and less for more money. Greed will take another turn. 

 

Yup @Reciever. The reality is now reality without me naming whats going on. Maybe I'm finally paying less than Americans have to pay for modern/next gen tech. 

I am not too worried about it. And, it's not everything that will cost more. Only the garbage that is being outsourced to China to take advantage of cheap (slave-level) labor. When American companies find it more cost-effect to not outsource anything that will help in other ways as well. It will strengthen our economy and weaken the economies we no longer outsource to. The threat of tariffs and sanctions has already eliminated resistance from some countries that wanted to resist cooperation. It's a powerful tool and I am glad it is being utilized.

 

There are other changes coming that will offset the tariffs and I think in the grand scheme of things America will be much better off. It is my opinion that anything we can do to make prospering difficult for China is the right thing to do. The days of them screwing the rest of the world need to be over. I already pay less in Federal Income taxes after the last Trump administration and I expect to pay less once his changes are in play. The only time ever in my life that I had to pay extra taxes when filing was when Obama was President. Trump lixed that immediately, and thankfully Biden didn't screw that up. His second term was interrupted before he could finish making things right. If Trump makes the changes he says he is going to (and he has always done what he said he would except for when the left blocked him) and is not stonewalled by the pork-drunk, wasteful Robin Hood establishment, when I retire my social security benefits will be non-taxable and my retirement nest eggs will be taxed less or not at all. I'm good with paying more for non-essential toys and keeping more of my hard-earned money. 

 

He has not even held office for a month and he is already shaving massive waste off of the psychotic government pork barrel with more wasteful cuts soon to follow. The establishment is about to have an aneurysm over their special interest programs that benefit a small percentage of the nation (many unpopular with the vast majority of citizens) eliminated. Long overdue, and Elon is helping. Trump and Musk obviously know how to manage money. Anyone who doesn't think so has their head buried in the sand.

 

When I worked in Oregon (almost as liberal as California) the Oregonians liked to brag about not having sales tax, but their income tax was higher than sales tax in Washington. (I lived in Washington part of the time, which is also very liberal, just not as bad.) When I moved my job out of Oregon and no longer owed state income tax it was like having a 9% pay raise with the same salary. I only had to pay sales tax on taxable goods, which was a small percentage of my monthly living expenses.

 

TL;DR - it will work out better overall, and if it reduces or impairs China's world influence and diminishes their prosperity you count me in yesterday.

[Papusan]

33 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am not too worried about it. And, it's not everything that will cost more. Only the garbage that is being outsourced to China to take advantage of cheap (slave-level) labor. When American companies find it more cost-effect to not outsource anything that will help in other ways as well.

 

It will be the same as here home. No one can or will  find people to make the gods. And be you sure. I have seen it. Norway is expensive. Damn expensive. We lack the needed workers. The prices go even higher  nd we all will be losers. Be you sure. I live here. And see it every day. 25% more expensive.... Be you sure you will feel it. The money inflation we have seen will be the baby boy compared. Even the so called fantastic AI boom won't fix it. Because you need people on the floor. 

[Mr. Fox]

16 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

It will be the same as here home. No one can or will  find people to make the gods. And be you sure. I have seen it. Norway is expensive. Damn expensive. We lack the needed workers. And we all will be losers. Be you sure. I live here. And see it every day. 25% more expensive.... Be you sure you will feel it. The money inflation we have seen will be the baby boy compared. Even the so called fantastic AI boom won't fix it. 

We have plenty of workers but some of them don't work. They're going to have to. And while we are taking the right steps on illegal alien squatter criminal trespassing, the legal guest worker program is alive and well, and will be expanded. They already do the work here that the unemployed are unwilling to do and will continue to do so.

[Papusan]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

We have plenty of workers but some of them don't work. They're going to have to. And while we are taking the right steps on illegal alien squatter criminal trespassing, the legal guest worker program is alive and well, and will be expanded. They already do the work here that the unemployed don't want to do and will continue to do so.

 

The unemployment in the USA around 3,5-5% it will be darn difficult. Even if it was double or 5-8%. And half of that numbers is for all types jobs. And modern people don't want to get their hands dirty these days. Prices will go up, so will wages. But the inflation will win. As always when we talk about this. You see it clearly in Russia. 

 

RTX 5090 orders could take up to 16 weeks to fulfill says UK retailer

 

A supply update from OCUK (Overclockers UK) indicates that users who've purchased an Nvidia GeForce RTX 5090 might need to wait for up to 16 weeks to receive their GPU. Following global RTX 50 sellouts, this news suggests that retailers' struggles with Blackwell inventory will not be easing up anytime soon. We advise you to stick to your current GPU if you're looking to upgrade, at least until supply improves.

 

16 weeks is 4 months. Now we are in February.

[Mr. Fox]

15 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

The unemployment in the USA around 3,5-5% it will be darn difficult. Even if it was double or 5-8%. And half of that numbers is for all types jobs. 

They do not calculate that number correctly. They do not count everyone that should be counted. Those receiving welfare that are capable and could work if they actually had to are not calculated. The unemployment rate is always higher than the number they publish. Things have been swiftly moving in the wrong direction under the rule of the insane. Slowing the decline or going 180° the opposite (right) way will only help.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

They do not calculate that number correctly. They do not count everyone that should be counted. Those receiving welfare that are capable and could work if they actually had to are not calculated. The unemployment rate is always higher than the number they publish. Things have been swiftly moving in the wrong direction under the rule of the insane. Slowing the decline or going 180° the opposite (right) way will only help.

 

Maybe so but the numbers they publish are for all types of works. From toilet cleaneers to engineers. Higher educated people (this increases for every year) don't want to work in "china look allike factories". That's how it is everywhere. Also here home. Same as with some high end hardware. If it's shortage the prices will increase. But as I have read it...We in Norway will get cheaper goods. Looking forward to that. Because some place will the goods have to go. Better sell it here for a few precent cheaper than pay full tax to get rid of it. 

 

If you already have ok hardware. Just use it "as is" and save some money. Higher end 5000 series graphics cards is already too expensive. Not even sure if you can easly buy whatever you want the next 3 or 4 months. And newly released HW is already old and next gen 10% performance uplift is in the horizon. Wonderful🤢 

 

Trump Tariffs Have Now Come Into Effect; GPUs & Consumer Tech Prices Might Soar Massively

 

 

Btw. Hope  the US government can do something with Jensen and nvidia. Stop with the talk and start with some action... 

https://wccftech.com/the-us-is-now-investigating-whether-singapore-is-responsible-for-supplying-nvidia-ai-chips-to-china/

[Raiderman]

On 2/1/2025 at 3:47 PM, Mr. Fox said:

You have to lower your 14900KS to 5.0GHz or COD won't load?

 

Even though I don't think 5090 is worth buying at the current price, I probably wouldn't be buying one if it was priced at the same MSRP as the 5080. I still have about $4K worth of medical bills from 2024 (deductible and co-pays) and will be racking up another $3800 in deductible and co-pays when I start my cancer treatment on 2/12.

  

The combination of random lousy DDR5 memory samples and fussy/finicky nature of Ryzen CPUs can be very frustrating. The only memory that works excellent for me with the 9950X are the 2x16GB G.SKILL Neo 8000 sticks. The G.SKILL 2x24GB 8000 XMP kit is crazy flaky with it. The 2x24GB TG Xtreme 8200 kit works OK with the 9950X but doesn't work as well as the 8000 Neo. The XMP and EXPO profiles universally suck. The 9950X doesn't even want to POST with the G.SKILL XMP 8000 profile. It easily boots the TG 8200 XMP profile, but seems laggy with the 2x24GB modules. Manual timings are the only thing that I can say actually works well. What's interesting is that any of them work fine and perform about the same installed in the Z790 Apex.

 

Moving from the 4-DIMM Cabron (yes I meant to type that) to the 2-DIMM Gene didn't really change anything in terms of performance but the memory overclock got easier and requires less memory voltage. I haven't tested the G.SKILL XMP 8000 48GB kit or the TG Xtreem 8200 48GB kits on the Gene mobo but there's probably nothing to be gained since the EXPO 8000 32GB kit works great and I don't have to waste time re-tuning everything if I just leave it alone. I don't really know what is different about the EXPO kit because I am using custom manual timings, but the EXPO kit seems to always cooperate.

Right now I am running 8100mhz with xmp profile on my gskill 2x24gb modules. I haven't tried to tune any timings yet, but I've never been able to use xmp on the X670 board, I had to manually set everything.

 

Found an old image from a few years back Ryzen 3900X and 1080ti.

 

[electrosoft]

 

Brett ranting about people ranting about the 5000 series basically sums up how I feel (timestamped):

 

 

 

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MSI 5090 Liquid 5090 quiet as always and less coil whine:

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

just saw romans vid on this, completely agree on your take here. with this little prep time by the vendors, id rather wait 2-3 months so that i can be sure my 3000+€ gpu will not go up in magic smoke once i put it through the ringer....

 

update on the RTX 50 series data for germany:

 

total votes: 4401

out of which:

44% did not even try to buy a card (= 1948)

42% tried buying one but failed (= 1870)

7% managed to get their hands on a 5080 (= 325)

3% managed to get their hands on a 5090 (= 111)

3% misc. (= 147)

 

aint that lovely? success rate of 2.5% with a total of a whopping 111x 5090s 😄 curious how many of those were aided by bots...

 

Insane shortages everywhere. Even the stock trackers are showing zero restocks basically since drop in the US for eTailers for both 5090 and 5080 cards.

 

MC shows some trickles coming in on trucks.

 

People paying $2k for 5080 FE cards on eBay is insane but hey it's their money!

 

Imagine funding a 5090 FE snag with reselling a 5080 FE....

 

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I'm probably one of the few who enjoyed the 5000 series launch video from Microcenter.

 

 

The guy doing the longest interview talking about how people are overlooking the encoders/decoders upgrade on the 5000 series is valid. For content creators, the 5000 series is a massive step up even the 5080.

AI upgrades are pretty substantial seeing in some models too

 

Looking at SO many happy faces getting some beastly upgrades with the 5080 and 5090 is great to see. The guy upgrading from a 1050ti to a 5080 has no idea the insane difference he is about to experience in performance.

 

Times like this, I realize we truly are a small minority in a big sea of joe gamers and Carla Content Creators of the world.

 

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5080 OC up in stock 4090 territory in TS:

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

 

[Papusan]

 

New hardware and new problems... Fun when you shuffle out +3000$ for the latest and greatest.

 

Lots of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 & 5090D GPUs Are Getting Bricked, Possibly Due To Driver, BIOS or PCIe Issues

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

New hardware and new problems... Fun when you shuffle out +3000$ for the latest and greatest.

 

Lots of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 & 5090D GPUs Are Getting Bricked, Possibly Due To Driver, BIOS or PCIe Issues

Fits comments on the previous page in relation to Roman's video about it being rushed to market with too little testing and validation. Imagine how frustrated those poor people must feel right now after spending gobs of money on a GPU that was hard to source and may be difficult to get replaced under warranty/RMA in a timely manner. Hopefully most of them haven't sold their old GPU already. Looks like @jaybee83 and @tps3443 may have dodged a bullet. Once it becomes available in sufficient quantity to purchase maybe they will have had time to work the kinks out.

[jaybee83]

12 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Brett ranting about people ranting about the 5000 series basically sums up how I feel (timestamped):

 

 

 

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MSI 5090 Liquid 5090 quiet as always and less coil whine:

 

 

 

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Insane shortages everywhere. Even the stock trackers are showing zero restocks basically since drop in the US for eTailers for both 5090 and 5080 cards.

 

MC shows some trickles coming in on trucks.

 

People paying $2k for 5080 FE cards on eBay is insane but hey it's their money!

 

Imagine funding a 5090 FE snag with reselling a 5080 FE....

 

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I'm probably one of the few who enjoyed the 5000 series launch video from Microcenter.

 

 

The guy doing the longest interview talking about how people are overlooking the encoders/decoders upgrade on the 5000 series is valid. For content creators, the 5000 series is a massive step up even the 5080.

AI upgrades are pretty substantial seeing in some models too

 

Looking at SO many happy faces getting some beastly upgrades with the 5080 and 5090 is great to see. The guy upgrading from a 1050ti to a 5080 has no idea the insane difference he is about to experience in performance.

 

Times like this, I realize we truly are a small minority in a big sea of joe gamers and Carla Content Creators of the world.

 

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5080 OC up in stock 4090 territory in TS:

 

 

 

 

 

nice, will have a looksie on those vids 🙂 and YES, the upgrade in encoders/decoders is huge indeed! i for one am looking forward to it, i use it on a semi regular basis for media archive management 🙂

 

"...in a big sea of joe gamers and Carla Content Creators of the world."

love that! rofl

 

"5080 OC up in stock 4090 territory in TS:"

- perfect, so then the "performance" is starting to match 4090 "stock" pricing as well LOL

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

New hardware and new problems... Fun when you shuffle out +3000$ for the latest and greatest.

 

Lots of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 & 5090D GPUs Are Getting Bricked, Possibly Due To Driver, BIOS or PCIe Issues

 

niiiiiiice. leaning back and enjoying the show, let them figure shit out before we get our cards 😄