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[win32asmguy]

No Frame Generation

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

No Frame Generation

 

Nice it looks like your results suggest my impressions might be right. This might be one of a small number of games that can utilize high core/thread count CPUs.

[Papusan]

Nvidia's AIB partners is now become the real scalpers https://www.overclock.net/posts/29427981/

 

 

But this ain't something new... Scumbags find new ways. Always.

 

Edit... https://www.overclock.net/posts/29428044/

[win32asmguy]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nice it looks like your results suggest my impressions might be right. This might be one of a small number of games that can utilize high core/thread count CPUs.

 

Yeah one would think modern games can handle high core count CPUs or at least not drastically tank performance. In WoW I can pretty much watch core utilization only max out a single thread and then have another seven at mid to low usage.

 

It is also very sensitive to mesh clocks. It seems like the sapphire rapids refresh mcc (2595x) may have 32x as default which is a huge leap from 23x on the 2495x. I am trying to find out what Uncore voltage they use to accomplish that.

[Mr. Fox]

14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Cinebench scores aside (thanks to 16 slower Atom smartphone cores) the more I use both of these systems, the less I can tell them apart. They are so close to one another in most things that it is nearly irrelevant.  Too bad the Atom cores can't handle 5.4GHz all-core. That would allow it to soundly beat the 9950X but the 1.0GHz handicap on half the cores and threads tilts the table in favor of 9950X for CPU compute workloads.

Another example using single-core... within a normal margin of error. No clear winner.

13900KS - https://hwbot.org/submission/5612229

Spoiler

9950X - https://hwbot.org/submission/5786799

Spoiler

 

[Papusan]

Maybe more 4090 users will check their cards now after the 5090 fiasco being put in spotlight. Seems we get a new round with sad pc gamers and melted connectors. The cards can work perfectly fine with melted connectors, so... Grear times forwards for computer repair-shops. 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Maybe more 4090 users will check their cards now after the 5090 fiasco being put in spotlight. Seems we get a new round with sad pc gamers and melted connectors. The cards can work perfectly fine with melted connectors. Grear times forwards for computer repair-shops. 

 

 

Even if they do not melt, people worry now about them not being plugged in and damage the wimpy pins pushing in on them too hard to try to avoid melting from a poor connection. The trashiest and most poorly designed, fragile connector available, and it's available exclusively for the most expensive brand of GPUs money can buy.

 

Defective engineering has its pluses. Places like Northridge Fix, Northwest Repair and KrisFix will never run out of GPUs to fix or videos to share on YouTube. Thanks, NVIDIA. 💩

 

[tps3443]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nice it looks like your results suggest my impressions might be right. This might be one of a small number of games that can utilize high core/thread count CPUs.

I really love Frame Gen! This tech has pushed the 4090 to be a beast to this day. I really enjoy my 4090. 
 

Also check this quad 480mm build out. This is a Lian Li V3000+ Plus what I’m building inside of. I’m going to do my build similar to this. And I’ll be using at least (4-6) D5 pumps, using so many pumps seems silly, but the idea is for ultra flow/pressure all while running them on the lowest/quietest possible RPM. My idea is to run (2) Dual D5 tops in the basement for a total of (4) unseen D5 pumps, and my dual D5 distro which will be visible. I’m building this V3000+ Plus for complete silence and I plan to upgrade it as usual. The upcoming 9950X3D has piqued my interest. 
 

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@electrosoft Can you tell me how the Scar 18 was? Any downsides? Also what’s your opinion on the Asus G14 Zephyrus with a 4090, I thought about grabbing one, and flashing its bios but having an ultra portable machine as a living room warrior. How’s the Raider 18? 

[Papusan]

 

With such price point I can't see a future for these Radeon cards. Aka DOA before launch.

 

XFX Radeon RX 9070 XT OC listed for $849 on Amazon, confirms RDNA 4 release for March 6

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

With such price point I can't see a future for this card. Aka DOA before launch.

 

XFX Radeon RX 9070 XT OC listed for $849 on Amazon, confirms RDNA 4 release for March 6

 

If it performs about like a 3090 Ti or 4080 it will be worth that, but it certainly seems like a stupid price based on leaks we have seen.  Amazon almost never sells GPUs at correct prices. They are GPU scalpers. If it comes in under $700 I might consider getting one if it performs like a 3090 Ti or 4080. But, we really don't know much and I am not expecting it to be an impressive product apart from having 8-pin connectors.

[Papusan]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

If it performs about like a 3090 Ti or 4080 it will be worth that, but it certainly seems like a stupid price based on leaks we have seen.  Amazon almost never sells GPUs at correct prices. They are GPU scalpers. If it comes in under $700 I might consider getting one if it performs like a 3090 Ti or 4080. But, we really don't know much and I am not expecting it to be an impressive product apart from having 8-pin connectors.

 

Slower GDDR6 vs more expensive and faster GDDR7, worse features than 5070Ti for around same or higher price... I can't see this card will survive the launch. Mind you... I mean 5070 Ti have an MSP around $750 (yeah, won't be many Nvidia cards at MSRP),still  this downscaled Radeon card shouldn't cost above $650. And I talk about the price for custom OC XT card with all the bells. The MSRP card should cost less. Sub $590 ?

 

And here is Intel's new strategy... When they can't compete in gaming desktop segment.

Intel Reveals Big Plans for Panther Lake & Arrow Lake-H-powered Handheld Gaming PCs

[tps3443]

48 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

If it performs about like a 3090 Ti or 4080 it will be worth that, but it certainly seems like a stupid price based on leaks we have seen.  Amazon almost never sells GPUs at correct prices. They are GPU scalpers. If it comes in under $700 I might consider getting one if it performs like a 3090 Ti or 4080. But, we really don't know much and I am not expecting it to be an impressive product apart from having 8-pin connectors.

 

37 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Slower GDDR6 vs more expensive and faster GDDR7, worse features than 5070Ti for around same or higher price... I can't see this card will survive the launch. Mind you... I mean 5070 Ti have an MSP around $750 (yeah, won't be many Nvidia cards at MSRP),still  this downscaled Radeon card shouldn't cost above $650. And I talk about the price for custom OC XT card with all the bells. The MSRP card should cost less. Sub $590 ?

 

And here is Intel's new strategy... When they can't compete in gaming desktop segment.

Intel Reveals Big Plans for Panther Lake & Arrow Lake-H-powered Handheld Gaming PCs

I think It’s gonna survive really well considering what it’s up against. The Nvidia feature set is “Pure OG MEGA CHAD best of the best”

 

The Nvidia GPU‘s typically sell for double the initial MSRP sometimes even more than that. Unfortunately..Nvidia has nothing to worry about. So the 9070XT will survive solely because it is priced below the $1,000+ dollar 5070 cards, and it will probably beat a 5070 all day. So it’s gonna win in price to performance

9070XT $849 (Buy Now In-Stock)

5070 $1,100+ (Sold Out)

5070Ti $1,500+ (Sold Out)
5080 $1,800+ (Sold Out)

5090 $3,900+ (Sold Out)

[Papusan]

5 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I think It’s gonna survive really well considering what it’s up against. The Nvidia feature set is “Pure OG MEGA CHAD best of the best”

 

The Nvidia GPU‘s typically sell for double the initial MSRP sometimes even more than that. Unfortunately..Nvidia has nothing to worry about. 

9070XT $849 (Buy Now In-Stock)

5070 $1,100+ (Sold Out)

5070Ti $1,500+ (Sold Out)
5080 $1,800+ (Sold Out)

5090 $3,900+ (Sold Out)

 

Don't be surprised if Nvidia is  able to help AIB partners to push out a lots of cards. They know AMD want the low/mid end market. They are preppered for what to come from the Red camp. Nvidia is greedy but not dumb.

[tps3443]

The PC Hobby just isn’t as cool as it once was. 

[Papusan]

15 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

The PC Hobby just isn’t as cool as it once was. 

 

Yep. And it will be even worse. 

Microsoft removes Windows 11 24H2 official support on 8th 9th 10th Gen Intel CPUs

Sayan Sen · 9 hours ago

Microsoft has finally added the official CPU support list for Windows 11 version 24H2, and the company has strangely removed several Intel processors from it.

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I think It’s gonna survive really well considering what it’s up against.

I believe it will be a success for a few reasons. NVIDIA is better and probably always will be. But...

• Haters are gonna hate, and there's much for haters to hate about NVIDIA
• Fanboys don't care if it's good or not as long as fits their anti-NVIDIA agenda they'll buy it
• Everything sold in the NVIDIA brand is a poor value and grossly overpriced (all ends of the spectrum)
• It uses legacy 8-pin PCIe connectors instead of the new feces connector (I knew that the fragile and crappy 12VHPWR connectors would suck the first time I saw it, before the first one was ever reported to have melted)

If it runs well enough and is priced consistent with how it performs (25-35% below the closest NVIDIA GPU) I would pause to considder it, even though I've never liked any Radeon card that I have owned (so far). We will find out soon enough if there is anything to care about.

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

9070XT $849 (Buy Now In-Stock)

That is at least $250 more than it's worth if it can't beat a 3090 Ti or 7900 XTX and $350 too much if it runs like a 4070 TI Super. If it performs below 4070 Ti Super then just skip it and buy an Arc B850 instead. Remember, it's going to have missing or inferior features and suck at ray tracing.

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

The PC Hobby just isn’t as cool as it once was. 

It certainly is not. I'm getting close to not even wanting to be part of it anymore.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Microsoft removes Windows 11 24H2 official support on 8th 9th 10th Gen Intel CPUs

Sayan Sen · 9 hours ago

Microsoft has finally added the official CPU support list for Windows 11 version 24H2, and the company has strangely removed several Intel processors from it.

 

I bet it is hard working for a company that produces the trashiest, most defective and bloated malware version of Windows ever produced. Everyone would know that the OS that your employer (and ultimately you as an employee) produces sucks at almost everything other than being a virus that steals your personal information. And, if that were not already bad enough it even looks like garbage besides functioning like garbage. It is sad to think that people involved in the development of it might even be dumb enough to believe that they are doing something they should be proud of.  They should feel ashamed and don't even know it.

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Yeah one would think modern games can handle high core count CPUs or at least not drastically tank performance. In WoW I can pretty much watch core utilization only max out a single thread and then have another seven at mid to low usage.

 

It is also very sensitive to mesh clocks. It seems like the sapphire rapids refresh mcc (2595x) may have 32x as default which is a huge leap from 23x on the 2495x. I am trying to find out what Uncore voltage they use to accomplish that.

 

They have made some inroads with WoW multithreading though. Remember back during the first half of WoW's life everything was single threaded. Now it is dual threaded-ish+....

 

But yeah WoW loves frequency, IPC and tight timings.

 

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

@electrosoft Can you tell me how the Scar 18 was? Any downsides? Also what’s your opinion on the Asus G14 Zephyrus with a 4090, I thought about grabbing one, and flashing its bios but having an ultra portable machine as a living room warrior. How’s the Raider 18? 

 

I liked the Scar 18, but the 13th gen had ridiculous amounts of screen bleed and that was its biggest complaint. They fixed it a bit in 14th gen. BIOS options are a little limited in that you could UV the CPU by -0.080 but that was it. Every bit helped though. Zero CPU or memory tuning beyond that unlike MSI.

 

I thought out of all the gaming laptops I've used recently it was one of the quietest and/or had better fan harmonics.

 

Loved the keyboard.

 

Hated Armory Crate and unfortunately that is a requirement.

 

14th i9 just runs hot and taming it to not bounce off throttling temps was a constant battle.

 

Compared to this MSI Raider 18 I've had with me the last 3 days on the road, I like the spacing of its keyboard better. CPU runs much cooler. Much more BIOS control over memory and CPU than Asus. No need to run Mystic Light just Steel GG to control the lighting and everything else in BIOS.

 

I actually use a Steel Series desktop keyboard and while the keyboard is good, it isn't even close to their desktop counterpart.

 

Fans are louder and more aggressive than the Scar which isn't making much sense since the 7945HX3D runs really cool.

4090 runs stupidly cool especially compared to the 4080 in the Scar but that could be an issue of the 14900HX and 13980HX sucking up all the cooling it can get from the shared heatsink vs the 7950HX3D.

 

4090 Mobile + QHD really brings good fps for Fallout 76 and WoW.

 

18" display really is a major factor for laptops for me. I can get by with a smaller screen, but on the go? Definitely bigger is better. I'd like a 19" MALX or 21" Predator sequel anyday.

 

31 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

If it performs about like a 3090 Ti or 4080 it will be worth that, but it certainly seems like a stupid price based on leaks we have seen.  Amazon almost never sells GPUs at correct prices. They are GPU scalpers. If it comes in under $700 I might consider getting one if it performs like a 3090 Ti or 4080. But, we really don't know much and I am not expecting it to be an impressive product apart from having 8-pin connectors.

 

It will have to flat out seriously outpace a 5070ti to be viable at that price and the RT uplift has to be as meaningful or it is DOA at $849.

 

The 9070XT will be as impressive as its price allows, period. If it comes in below a 5070ti, it will be impressive. If it comes in above it, it will not be impressive unless it can perform like a 4080 SUPER at that price.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is at least $250 more than it's worth if it can't beat a 3090 Ti or 7900 XTX and $350 too much if it runs like a 4070 TI Super. If it performs below 4070 Ti Super then just skip it and buy an Arc B850 instead. Remember, it's going to have missing or inferior features and suck at ray tracing.

 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

It will have to flat out seriously outpace a 5070ti to be viable at that price and the RT uplift has to be as meaningful or it is DOA at $849.

It will need to be around 30% less expensive than the closest competing GPU from NVIDIA before I could view it as a good option. But, there will be lots of fanboys buying it regardless of whether or not it's a strong GPU or priced to value. The lousy drivers and poor ray tracing and insane hotspot temps are minor sacrifices for fanboys. Scalpers are marking up the Arc B850 $100-150 and those are selling for about what I'm thinking the 9070 XT should be worth. But, I'm going to wait on passing final judgment until it finds its way into the hands of end users that know how things should work to put it through the paces. The 9950X was better than I expected it to be, and a lot better than most the YouTube influencer idiots said it was. The difference being it doesn't suck for me because I don't use PBO. But they (the YouTube Clown Posse) do, so of course it sucked compared to an LGA-1700 i9 KS CPU.

[electrosoft]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

It will need to be around 30% less expensive than the closest competing GPU from NVIDIA before I could view it as a good option. But, there will be lots of fanboys buying it regardless of whether or not it's a strong GPU or priced to value. The lousy drivers and poor ray tracing and insane hotspot temps are minor sacrifices for fanboys. Scalpers are marking up the Arc B850 $100-150 and those are selling for about what I'm thinking the 9070 XT should be worth. But, I'm going to wait on passing final judgment until it finds its way into the hands of end users that know how things should work to put it through the paces. The 9950X was better than I expected it to be, and a lot better than most the YouTube influencer idiots said it was. The difference being it doesn't suck for me because I don't use PBO. But they (the YouTube Clown Posse) do, so of course it sucked compared to an LGA-1700 i9 KS CPU.

 

If the newest pricing drops are true, then the 9070xt is coming in at $749.99 and matching the 5070ti.

 

Now what remains to be seen is how it performs against it once we get some real reviews.

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

If the newest pricing drops are true, then the 9070xt is coming in at $749.99 and matching the 5070ti.

 

Now what remains to be seen is how it performs against it once we get some real reviews.

 

If those are Amazon prices, then I expect they will be at least $125 to $250 more (higher for the not "sold and shipped by" marketplace scalper scum) than prices from respectable retailers like Microcenter, B&H Photo, Best Buy, Provantage, etc. and the somewhat-respectable (non-Marketplace scalper scum) online retailers like NewEgg.

[Papusan]

34 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

If the newest pricing drops are true, then the 9070xt is coming in at $749.99 and matching the 5070ti.

 

Now what remains to be seen is how it performs against it once we get some real reviews.

 

 

Disgusting seeing AMD try match equal Sku price point from Nvidia. This won't go well. There aint enough AMD fanboys to defend this stupid move (if correct) from AMD. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Disgusting seeing AMD try match equal Sku price point from Nvidia. This won't go well. There aint enough AMD fanboys to defend this stupid move (if correct) from AMD. 

If it doesn't handle ray tracing well it would not be worth purchasing at any price unless it is priced below Arc B850. It is hard to forgive and excuse a GPU released in 2025 that still sucks at ray tracing. Hopefully it will not because we need them to have at least one horse in the race to keep NGREEDIA from becoming even more insane than they already are.

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

If it doesn't handle ray tracing well it would not be worth purchasing at any price unless it is priced below Arc B850. It is hard to forgive and excuse a GPU released in 2025 that still sucks at ray tracing. Hopefully it will not because we need them to have at least one horse in the race to keep NGREEDIA from becoming even more insane than they already are.

 

We saw a tale of two cities with AMD.

 

During Ampere/Crypto, we saw a card that had raster almost on the level of the 3090 AND demand that was so insane AMD couldn't keep them in stock either and their market share rose and shook Nvidia.

 

Ada era they lost out on performance, RT and the market wasn't as hungry and when given a choice, buyers flocked to Nvidia and their marketshare dropped noticeably.

 

Now? They are losing even more and potentially pricing even worse and they just don't have the mind space of gamers like Nvidia. They have had the opportunity twice now to really price their cards competitively to make in roads but it looks like they are again content to not really attack the low and mid like Intel is doing atm.

 

I was hoping AMD focused on the mid market and really came out with a banger of a card priced insanely competitively.

 

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Then of course we now have Nvidia ramping up production of the 5090 so hopefully scalpers get zinged and buyers can get cards but the initial MSRP pricing is gone now and I'm afraid cards will remain priced as they are even purchased at MSRP:

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-gb202-gpu-supply-for-rtx-5090-set-to-increase-retailer-has-147-rtx-5080-cards-but-not-selling-them-separately

 

Anybody who paid the prices asked for 5080s and 5090s....whew.....that's gonna hurt just to be first.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

We saw a tale of two cities with AMD.

 

During Ampere/Crypto, we saw a card that had raster almost on the level of the 3090 AND demand that was so insane AMD couldn't keep them in stock either and their market share rose and shook Nvidia.

 

Ada era they lost out on performance, RT and the market wasn't as hungry and when given a choice, buyers flocked to Nvidia and their marketshare dropped noticeably.

 

Now? They are losing even more and potentially pricing even worse and they just don't have the mind space of gamers like Nvidia. They have had the opportunity twice now to really price their cards competitively to make in roads but it looks like they are again content to not really attack the low and mid like Intel is doing atm.

 

I was hoping AMD focused on the mid market and really came out with a banger of a card priced insanely competitively.

 

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Then of course we now have Nvidia ramping up production of the 5090 so hopefully scalpers get zinged and buyers can get cards but the initial MSRP pricing is gone now and I'm afraid cards will remain priced as they are even purchased at MSRP:

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-gb202-gpu-supply-for-rtx-5090-set-to-increase-retailer-has-147-rtx-5080-cards-but-not-selling-them-separately

The availability problem being solved will only matter for those willing to be screwed unless prices fall to what 40-series video card already poor value MSRP was. Otherwise the juice is not worth the squeeze and you're still getting screwed. Anything above $1000 for 5080 or $1800 for 5090 and you're screwing yourself and everyone else that you don't care about. The only winner is the seller that you allowed to screw you in the butt with no lube.

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Anybody who paid the prices asked for 5080s and 5090s....whew.....that's gonna hurt just to be first.

I really hope so. It needs to hurt severely. Bad behavior and stupid decisions need to carry brutal consequences for the person acting them out. The attitude that I want what I want when I want it and don't care how much it costs or how the willingness to overpay harms everyone else in the process deserves to end in tragedy and burn a never-forgotten painful lesson into brains of those that found no ability to exercise self-control or sound judgement that they carry to their grave. It would be good lesson for every 5090 owner that fought to be first to find out everyone else is paying $800-$1000 less than you did. If you camped on the sidewalk then it just sucks even more to be you, because you were an even dumber dumba$$.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Now? They are losing even more and potentially pricing even worse and they just don't have the mind space of gamers like Nvidia. They have had the opportunity twice now to really price their cards competitively to make in roads but it looks like they are again content to not really attack the low and mid like Intel is doing atm.

 

I was hoping AMD focused on the mid market and really came out with a banger of a card priced insanely competitively.

 

AMD don't price their own cards themself. They use Nvidia's prices for own graphics cards. That's disgusting. 

 

And for the records... They know everything about Nvidia's performance estimates for each new tier cards long before they are even mentioned in leaks. We saw that clearly  when we saw what they said about 4080 performance for their top tier cards.