*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

On 2/6/2025 at 7:19 PM, Papusan said:

China will always come first. Yup, their influence on tech and buying power is quite remarkable. 

 

Jensen does exactly as he wants. Same with their partners. 

 

DeepSeek GPU smuggling probe shows Nvidia's Singapore GPU sales are 28% of its revenue, but only 1% are delivered to the country: Report

Singapore is closely tied to China — especially in business. This is especially true in the tech sector, where many Chinese companies have set up key offices on the island.

 

First shipment of GeForce RTX 5070 Ti not expected to be better than RTX 5090/5080

The article also mentions that many internet cafes in China, which are still quite popular, are planning to upgrade their PCs to the RTX 5070 Ti series. Historically, and based on our chats with Chinese board partners, XX70 and XX60 class GPUs have been popular choices among such customers. However, the initial supply of the RTX 5070 Ti will not be sucient to meet the demand of even a single cafe.

[electrosoft]

21 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

phsew my wife just pulled me back from the edge.

 

situation: i just found an MSI RTX 5090 Gaming X Trio for about +10% the price i was willing to pay for a Suprim SOC.

 

not quite what i initially wanted, but close enough and the review i found attested it solid cooling performance. plus, its in stock, would be shipping by end of this week and +10% is "ok" in the current situation.

 

BUT since were hyper-enthusiasts and easily get lost in our freakshow here, i asked for her advice on this. her reply: nope, if u do this now, ull regret it in a few months time, once the Suprim SOC becomes available at "ok" prices.

 

and u know what? shes right, ill keep that card for minimum two years and gonna spend a fortune on it either way. so lets do this right... keep the search going!

 

in any case, im just happy now i finally found a card in stock and with an "ok" price. plus im seeing more and more price drops from the scalpers on ebay. are we FINALLY holding strong, guys?!?! is this the turn of the tide? if so then I am SO

 

 

of you and all of us! keep it up! 🙂 

 

We all know with waiting we will get the tech we want at MSRP. It has always been this way and I will always wait for MSRP no matter how much I want something and when the market saturates on most products I routinely switch to picking up used versions of the same items as long as I can lock in their warranties as needed. This is usually on laptops and GPUs primarily followed by motherboards second.

 

You did good Padawan.....

 

.....you did good.

 

🤣

[jaybee83]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Jensen does exactly as he wants. Same with their partners. 

 

DeepSeek GPU smuggling probe shows Nvidia's Singapore GPU sales are 28% of its revenue, but only 1% are delivered to the country: Report

Singapore is closely tied to China — especially in business. This is especially true in the tech sector, where many Chinese companies have set up key offices on the island.

 

First shipment of GeForce RTX 5070 Ti not expected to be better than RTX 5090/5080

The article also mentions that many internet cafes in China, which are still quite popular, are planning to upgrade their PCs to the RTX 5070 Ti series. Historically, and based on our chats with Chinese board partners, XX70 and XX60 class GPUs have been popular choices among such customers. However, the initial supply of the RTX 5070 Ti will not be sucient to meet the demand of even a single cafe.

 

LOL having lived in SG for almost 6 years in total that doesnt surprise me in the LEAST 😄 

 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

We all know with waiting we will get the tech we want at MSRP. It has always been this way and I will always wait for MSRP no matter how much I want something and when the market saturates on most products I routinely switch to picking up used versions of the same items as long as I can lock in their warranties as needed. This is usually on laptops and GPUs primarily followed by motherboards second.

 

You did good Padawan.....

 

.....you did good.

 

🤣

 

...yes she did 😉 😄 

[tps3443]

On 2/17/2025 at 5:09 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Good things come to those that wait...

Being pulled back from the edge is always preferred to falling over the edge.

Especially when it is such a long way to the bottom.

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Looks like the scalping nonsense is poised to strike with the sissy-boy 5070 Ti. If you want 5070 Ti pricing you'll need to wait for the baby-girl 5070 or 5060 launch.

"We don't have any 5090 or 5080 to sell, but we will sell you a 5070 Ti for the 5080 price."

 

He hit the nail on the head. We’re gonna have $1,500 dollar xx70 tier cards all sold out 😂

The PC hobby is only for the super rich now. Hey, at least we can build systems, we just cannot put a graphics card in them lol.
 

I’m not sure why we can still build a high end system for $1,000 bucks, but we’d have to spend $3,000 for a GPU to put in it 🥴

 

Intel 285K+Z890 Apex= $1,000 bucks on Newegg right now. But I’d need like $10,000 dollars to snag a 5090 Astral right now. 🤕

 

What a joke. I’m glad he called it out though. Just wish everyone would follow suite. The raping spree needs to stop, I can barely sit as is. 😁

[Mr. Fox]

9 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

He hit the nail on the head. We’re gonna have $1,500 dollar xx70 tier cards all sold out 😂

The PC hobby is only for the super rich now. Hey, at least we can build systems, we just cannot put a graphics card in them lol.
 

I’m not sure why we can still build a high end system for $1,000 bucks, but we’d have to spend $3,000 for a GPU to put in it 🥴

 

Intel 285K+Z890 Apex= $1,000 bucks on Newegg right now. But I’d need like $10,000 dollars to snag a 5090 Astral right now. 🤕

 

What a joke. I’m glad he called it out though. Just wish everyone would follow suite. The raping spree needs to stop, I can barely sit as is. 😁

Yup. I'm out. Not interested in throwing money away on a 5090 even if it was available at non-scalper grossly overvalued retail sucker prices.  $100 more than what I paid for my Gigabutt 4090 is all any 5090 is worth to me, except for 5090 FE which should be $500 less than what I paid for that 4090 due to the defective 5090 FE design.

[Papusan]

29 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yup. I'm out. Not interested in throwing money away on a 5090 even if it was available at non-scalper grossly overvalued retail sucker prices.  $100 more than what I paid for my Gigabutt 4090 is all any 5090 is worth to me, except for 5090 FE which should be $500 less than what I paid for that 4090 due to the defective 5090 FE design.

 

Hmmm. Let's talk about Gigabyte,...

 

Gigabyte is  now the new price hike king here home. Gigabyte take all top 5 spots (yup, 5 different SKUs) before you start see first Asus card flash up on the price list (Astral OC LC). Isn't that cute? What's wrong with Asus? Maybe they will hit back and take the crown?🤔

[Mr. Fox]

21 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Hmmm. Let's talk about Gigabyte,...

 

Gigabyte is  now the new price hike king here home. Gigabyte take all top 5 spots (yup, 5 different SKUs) before you start see first Asus card flash up on the price list (Astral OC LC). Isn't that cute? What's wrong with Asus? Maybe they will hit back and take the crown?🤔

Maybe they chose to be the high price king because they can't win by any other measurement .

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

He hit the nail on the head. We’re gonna have $1,500 dollar xx70 tier cards all sold out 😂

The PC hobby is only for the super rich now. Hey, at least we can build systems, we just cannot put a graphics card in them lol.
 

I’m not sure why we can still build a high end system for $1,000 bucks, but we’d have to spend $3,000 for a GPU to put in it 🥴

 

Intel 285K+Z890 Apex= $1,000 bucks on Newegg right now. But I’d need like $10,000 dollars to snag a 5090 Astral right now. 🤕

 

What a joke. I’m glad he called it out though. Just wish everyone would follow suite. The raping spree needs to stop, I can barely sit as is. 😁

 

Outside of outlandish MSRPs now even if you can find them atm, I expect prices to normalize for xx80 cards  by summer if not even sooner.

 

xx90 cards I expect to slowly tamp down in price but it will be a slower process. I'm noticing 5090 cards are slowly dropping on eBay and some are languishing now at the 5k+ price point or taking longer to move.

 

You always have to clear out that first wave of buyers who have more money than sense and will snap up those cards at almost any cost.

 

Patience by GnR is in order right now....

 

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yup. I'm out. Not interested in throwing money away on a 5090 even if it was available at non-scalper grossly overvalued retail sucker prices.  $100 more than what I paid for my Gigabutt 4090 is all any 5090 is worth to me, except for 5090 FE which should be $500 less than what I paid for that 4090 due to the defective 5090 FE design.

 

Ditto.

 

I just don't want it anymore.....

 

Combination of traveling atm along with seeing the 5080 FE hit the same CPU bottlenecks as my 4090 with WoW and FO76 before leaving has me very meh atm to drop $2k+....

 

 

[Papusan]

 

People paying $900+ for this is damn crazy... 

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

22 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

People paying $900+ for this is damn crazy... 

 

 

 

 

Given time, prices will normalize back to MSRP across all the cards. It always does. Same with CPUs.

 

Patience = save $$$

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

9 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Given time, prices will normalize back to MSRP across all the cards. It always does. Same with CPUs.

 

Patience = save $$$

 

 

 

 

 

People nowadays....

[Mr. Fox]

10 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Given time, prices will normalize back to MSRP across all the cards. It always does. Same with CPUs.

 

Patience = save $$$

If you look at the price of leftover stock, refurbished and used, they have not normalized and obsolete products are priced at or above MSRP for the current generation equivalent. The price of the desirable models have increased over time. The only prices that seem to be falling are for e-waste GPUs that are too old and anemic to be taken seriously. I think the world as we know it is changing and the only rules that apply now are the ones that do not make sense.

[tps3443]

I’m rejoining the club that first brought me to this forum originally! 
 

I BOUGHT A LAPTOP,  BGA JUNK REJOICE! 🤣

 

Okay okay. Hopefully I did okay. 
 

Acer Helios 18” 14900HX/4090/Mini LED/250Hz. I got it for $2,200 shipped. 
 

 

 

[Papusan]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

If you look at the price of leftover stock, refurbished and used, they have not normalized and obsolete products are priced at or above MSRP for the current generation equivalent. The price of the desirable models have increased over time. The only prices that seem to be falling are for e-waste GPUs that are too old and anemic to be taken seriously. I think the world as we know it is changing and the only rules that apply now are the ones that do not make sense.

 

With the added tax on new cards the used/old new cards follow the price spiral upwards. 

 

@tps3443 You're crazy, man😆

[Mr. Fox]

18 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

With the added tax on new cards the used/old new cards follow the price spiral upwards. 

 

@tps3443 You're crazy, man😆

[electrosoft]

35 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

If you look at the price of leftover stock, refurbished and used, they have not normalized and obsolete products are priced at or above MSRP for the current generation equivalent. The price of the desirable models have increased over time. The only prices that seem to be falling are for e-waste GPUs that are too old and anemic to be taken seriously. I think the world as we know it is changing and the only rules that apply now are the ones that do not make sense.

 

Right now is that cross over time we always encounter when old models are EOL'd and new models are scarce.

 

As a result, even older models momentarily rise in price before falling back down.

 

For example, a month ago, the 7900xtx could be found for $929 and lower. Now? $1300+ everywhere.

 

Same with Nvidia. Three months ago, 4070 Supers, TIs and more all available at MSRP and sometimes on sale. Same with 4080 Supers 4 months ago.

 

4090's for $1500 or less easily 4+ months ago.

 

6 months from now, prices will plummet because the 5000 series (and 9000 series from AMD to a degree) will begin to saturate the market and older models will drop down to their proper place.

 

Patience is the key. This is literally the third cycle in a row now I've watched this happen exactly as predicted.

 

If you have a spare 4090, sell it now if you want maximum return on your card and then some.

 

If you're scalping or selling your 5080/5090, now is the time to do it as all they're going to do is continue to lose value. I'm watching 5090's (especially FEs) start to languish a bit on eBay when priced closer to 6k when they were flying out the door at launch for 6k+ and more.

 

I now see some hanging around at right around $5k and several "on sale" from their 6k range down into the upper 4k range.

 

Or if you're happy with your Ampere and Ada cards hold onto them and just continue to enjoy them.

 

29 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I’m rejoining the club that first brought me to this forum originally! 
 

I BOUGHT A LAPTOP,  BGA JUNK REJOICE! 🤣

 

Okay okay. Hopefully I did okay. 
 

Acer Helios 18” 14900HX/4090/Mini LED/250Hz. I got it for $2,200 shipped. 
 

 

 

 

Welcome back bro! Don't let the grumpy old men on the porch get you down. Enjoy your new portable power. What's the resolution for the mLED display?

 

This extended road trip I'm on atm is just the beginning of a lot of travel I have this year for work and pleasure so I wanted a big screen laptop with decent power to game, work and stay connected.

 

Since when I get back I'm breaking down my main desktop rig to rebuild with the x870e Hero with the 5080 FE, my laptop is modeled after my desktop atm and my current desktop install is officially EOL'd so when I get back I'll be living off my laptop for a few days while I make the transition before heading out again later next month.

 

 

[tps3443]

2 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Right now is that cross over time we always encounter when old models are EOL'd and new models are scarce.

 

As a result, even older models momentarily rise in price before falling back down.

 

For example, a month ago, the 7900xtx could be found for $929 and lower. Now? $1300+ everywhere.

 

Same with Nvidia. Three months ago, 4070 Supers, TIs and more all available at MSRP and sometimes on sale. Same with 4080 Supers 4 months ago.

 

4090's for $1500 or less easily 4+ months ago.

 

6 months from now, prices will plummet because the 5000 series (and 9000 series from AMD to a degree) will begin to saturate the market and older models will drop down to their proper place.

 

Patience is the key. This is literally the third cycle in a row now I've watched this happen exactly as predicted.

 

If you have a spare 4090, sell it now if you want maximum return on your card and then some.

 

If you're scalping or selling your 5080/5090, now is the time to do it as all they're going to do is continue to lose value. I'm watching 5090's (especially FEs) start to languish a bit on eBay when priced closer to 6k when they were flying out the door at launch for 6k+ and more.

 

I now see some hanging around at right around $5k and several "on sale" from their 6k range down into the upper 4k range.

 

Or if you're happy with your Ampere and Ada cards hold onto them and just continue to enjoy them.

 

 

Welcome back bro! Don't let the grumpy old men on the porch get you down. Enjoy your new portable power. What's the resolution for the mLED display?

 

This extended road trip I'm on atm is just the beginning of a lot of travel I have this year for work and pleasure so I wanted a big screen laptop with decent power to game, work and stay connected.

 

Since when I get back I'm breaking down my main desktop rig to rebuild with the x870e Hero with the 5080 FE, my laptop is modeled after my desktop atm and my current desktop install is officially EOL'd so when I get back I'll be living off my laptop for a few days while I make the transition before heading out again later next month.

 

 

It is 2560x1600 which is what really sold me!! Especially the Mini LED, and 250Hz are all icing on top. These 4090 laptops aren’t the fastest machines compared to my 4090 deaktop, so I really didn’t want 4K to bog it down. 
 

Looking forward to trying it out.

I also most bought a MSI GT77 Titan 13HX, it had a 13980XE/64GB DDR5/ RTX 4080. These are nice machines. But I was worried about the 12GB VRAM. I know their cooling is elite, and I love the way they look. It was $2,150 USD, and I ended up passing on it though. I really wanted a 4090. And these Titan’s with 4090’s are still too much money. 

[win32asmguy]

52 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I’m rejoining the club that first brought me to this forum originally! 
 

I BOUGHT A LAPTOP,  BGA JUNK REJOICE! 🤣

 

Okay okay. Hopefully I did okay. 
 

Acer Helios 18” 14900HX/4090/Mini LED/250Hz. I got it for $2,200 shipped.

 

Hmm. I do not believe it can be undervolted and the miniLED panel does not have a software switch to disable FALD.

 

I would probably opt for a Eluk Hydroc 16 which for 2600usd it would at least have a Prema bios and a much more sane control center. Or if 18 inch is really a must there used to be a Costco Raider 18 with 14900HX, 4090 and QHD+ 240hz for 2400usd.

 

There are not a lot of good options in the laptop space. Most are pretty limited in one way or another so its very ripe with false advertising everywhere.

[tps3443]

24 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Hmm. I do not believe it can be undervolted and the miniLED panel does not have a software switch to disable FALD.

 

I would probably opt for a Eluk Hydroc 16 which for 2600usd it would at least have a Prema bios and a much more sane control center. Or if 18 inch is really a must there used to be a Costco Raider 18 with 14900HX, 4090 and QHD+ 240hz for 2400usd.

 

There are not a lot of good options in the laptop space. Most are pretty limited in one way or another so its very ripe with false advertising everywhere.

I wanted a raider 18, but unfortunately with taxes it was almost $400 more. This Helios 18 machine was only $2,000 dollars before tax. I don’t mind if it’s kinda crappy. I didn’t pay too much.

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Acer Helios 18” 14900HX/4090/Mini LED/250Hz. I got it for $2,200 shipped. 

 

48 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I wanted a raider 18, but unfortunately with taxes it was almost $400 more. This Helios 18 machine was only $2,000 dollars before tax. I don’t mind if it’s kinda crappy. I didn’t pay too much.

That seems cheaper than normal. Where did you find it that cheap? Isn't that like 1/3 less than typical for that model and spec? Usually $3K+ for that.
 

Hardware, power and thermal limitations, and disposable soldered filth excluded, the biggest issue with laptops is horrible, locked-down firmware that leaves you with muted performance and no way of correcting the issues. The CPU will likely not deliver but about half the performance of what it is capable of and the memory will likely be sloppy loose timings, high latency and uncorrectable due to no tuning options.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I wanted a raider 18, but unfortunately with taxes it was almost $400 more. This Helios 18 machine was only $2,000 dollars before tax. I don’t mind if it’s kinda crappy. I didn’t pay too much.

 

You should follow the same advice GN said about buying 5070Ti😎 From 1:56

 

 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Welcome back bro! Don't let the grumpy smart old men on the porch get you down. Enjoy your new portable power Trash.

 

I fix it for you....🤗

 

23 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That seems cheaper than normal....

 

Does it really matter? Nope.

 

[tps3443]

I need the new laptop for work. I’m going through operation manager training at work. And it is very difficult lately. I need something portable to move around the house. And also I really need a 2nd PC right here beside me for having other things up. Otherwise, I would not have bothered at all. 
 

I have not owned a laptop in years. We’ll see how much I hate it. But I really just need something that can run fast, that uses Windows. And this was the perfect excuse to get a 4090 laptop. 

[Mr. Fox]

6 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I she not owned a laptop in years. We’ll see how much I hate it. But I really just need something that can love about that uses Windows. And this was the perfect excuse to get a 4090 laptop. 

Looks like you had some help from AI on the wording of your post. 🤣 It seems like that is happening to me more and more, and I'm not liking it even a little bit. I have actually watched Google change something I typed even though I have all that crap disabled.

19 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Does it really matter? Nope.

No, it does not matter and I do not find it desirable, but I was curious why it is priced about 1/3 less than normal. Something seems off with it being so much cheaper than normal. Hopefully it is coming from a trusted retailer and not a scam.

[Papusan]

30 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I need the new laptop for work. I’m going through operation manager training at work. And it is very difficult lately. I need something portable to move around the house.

It's your money🙂  

 

 

It's called progress. I start to see why nvidia don't bother with an FE this time. Throw  some bones to their partners. For nvidia it's better continue with over priced data centers.

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

That seems cheaper than normal. Where did you find it that cheap? Isn't that like 1/3 less than typical for that model and spec? Usually $3K+ for that.
 

Hardware, power and thermal limitations, and disposable soldered filth excluded, the biggest issue with laptops is horrible, locked-down firmware that leaves you with muted performance and no way of correcting the issues. The CPU will likely not deliver but about half the performance of what it is capable of and the memory will likely be sloppy loose timings, high latency and uncorrectable due to no tuning options.

I’d rather buy a used complete computer than support the 5090 rush. I am done searching for them. I have spent every waking moment trying to buy a 5090 since 01/30, and I’m officially just done with it. Plus I need a laptop anyways. 
 

I know things are limited nowadays with BGA and all. But, even with how upgradable desktops are, we can hardly upgrade them even if we tried lol. The desktop market has gone south real fast, I was even considering maybe a 9950X3D CPU, but I have a feeling the scalpers are warming up for that one as well so I’m not sure how long I’d actually wait to obtain that. I physically cannot buy a 5090. It’s gonna be at least a year before that is even possible. And with how negligible its performance is, I may as well wait until 6090 series is almost nearing end of its cycle so I can grab one of those. Desktop GPU’s are just toast now and completely unobtainable. They’ve been put on a gold pedestal. I really miss the old days. 
 

BB alerts removed for 5090. I’m keeping my 4090.

 

Also I realized at least with a laptop, the garbage is in-stock. 🤣