tps3443 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, electrosoft said: @tps3443 : "Man, I’ve lost interest in the 5090 unfortunately. Especially one for $3,026 dollars after taxes. I think I burned my self out on it. It just doesn’t excite me anymore. " also @tps3443: *** Quietly enters Shuffle *** 🤣 But yeah, I get it. No, being very serious. I just spent $2,200 on a new laptop for work. I had a max budget of $3,000 dollars for a RTX5090. I’m using the rest of my funds to finish out my Lian Li V3000+ Plus case build. I’d have to sell my 4090 now, and that’s a silly move for a potential pipe dream. I don’t mind waiting now. I drained my enthusiasm and really wasted too much time on the 5090. I was in a corporate meeting once and got some BB alerts and was like “One moment” 🤣 the addiction and want was strong. So I gotta let go. 1 1 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Asus cater to their audience. Please tell me if this works when/if you buy one bro @Mr. Fox😁 You get it in two different SKUs. Maybe buy both for the sake of variety🤮 Yup, Asus know exactly what modern PC users want. ASUS Releases A Fragrance Mouse So You Can Stop And Smell The Roses ASUS isn't pitching its Fragrance Mouse as a rodent for gamers, and instead is taking bigger aim at the lifestyle market. The press release makes no mention of price or when exactly this will be available to purchase (I looked and didn't see it listed at Amazon or Best Buy), but when it does become available, it will be offered in both Iridescent White and Rose Clay colorways. 1 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 7 hours ago, Papusan said: Nice be the lucky one getting new cards. Return to sender then you need to "return back to the the queue" and hope you get new card within next 16 weeks. Maybe you get lucky a second time? What next? NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Spotted with Missing ROPs, Performance Loss Confirmed Exclusive Updated Today, 11:42 Updated: Today TechPowerUp has discovered that there are NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 graphics cards in retail circulation that come with too few render units, which lowers performance. Zotac's GeForce RTX 5090 Solid comes with fewer ROPs than it should—168 are enabled, instead of the 176 that are part of the RTX 5090 specifications. This loss of 8 ROPs has a small, but noticeable impact on performance. During recent testing, we noticed our Zotac RTX 5090 Solid sample underperformed slightly, falling behind even the NVIDIA RTX 5090 Founders Edition card. At the time we didn't pay attention to the ROP count that TechPowerUp GPU-Z was reporting, and instead spent time looking for other reasons, like clocks, power, cooling, etc. https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/some-rtx-5090s-are-shipping-with-missing-rop-units-leading-to-less-gaming-performance-report Nvidia have a lot work foreards with their brand new tech.... And it seems worse than ever. Shortage is only a small part of this awful release. We are starting to see more and more issues that suggest the 50 series was rushed and released prematurely, and some of these problems are unforgivable. 5 hours ago, electrosoft said: Newegg Shuffle for 5090s is up. Gigabyte and Asus models are in play including the water blocked Gigabyte @tps3443! You definitely have a higher than average chance of winning considering much less buyers will be targeting it vs other models. I selected them all because why not? Odds are low, but fun to see what model I might win lol. My luck it will be the overpriced TUF OC or Aorus AIO. The 5080 pricing, although too high, would be in line with 4090 pricing. The problem is that 5080 is a downgrade from 4090 performance and specs, while priced roughly the same. The price of 5090 is just unacceptable by every measurement on face value. It's only a minor upgrade over 4090 with an absolutely absurd $1,000+ premium attached to it. Paying a ton of extra money for a small upgrade is a price to value disparity that makes no sense for anyone that has any sense. 5 hours ago, tps3443 said: Man, I’ve lost interest in the 5090 unfortunately. Especially one for $3,026 dollars after taxes. I think I burned my self out on it. It just doesn’t excite me anymore. When you step back and look at everything it is totally ridiculous. Beyond not being exciting, I think it is something everyone should be very unhappy or even angry about it. It is blantant shafting to be totally blunt about it. There is no way in hell it costs such a substantially higher amount than a 5080 to manufacture a 5090. Certainly not $800 - $1500 more depending on what brand of crookedness is your favorite. As you make your way down the product stack to the mundane options like 5070 Ti price to value proposition does not improve. Anyone that doesn't see this as getting screwed over royally just isn't playing with a full deck or they are such a fanboy that they have lost their ability to think rationally and objectively. The problem is bigger than simple greed. It is a deliberately crafted scam that can only be viewed as an ethical failure. 4 hours ago, Papusan said: Maybe we'll see less scalping now? Or maybe some buyers don't care about warranty or paying too much? What I hope happens is that NVIDIA ends up taking a financial blood bath on this, but I fear there are too many stupid people that handle their financial affairs in a careless and scatterbrained manner to let them fail. They deserve to lose a fortune and incur devastating losses on this totally botched product launch and I hope that they get what they deserve. 1 1 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X670E Gene | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: We are starting to see more and more issues that suggest the 50 series was rushed and released prematurely, and some of these problems are unforgivable. Blackwell is what Arrow Lake was for Intel. Nvidia just follow the same trend. QC cost money. Better rush the harware out before proper testing. Nvidia's main focus is on AI. Not gaming products or gamers. NVIDIA Recommends GeForce RTX 5070 Ti GPU to AI Content Creators Press Release Source: NVIDIA Blog 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciever Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 I didnt realize how bad the market has gotten in the last few months. The Red Devil 7900 XTX that I traded plus cash for seems to be selling for double? Thats nuts Also returning my 3rd 12TB drive, seems people are trying to offload junk on ebay/amazon 2 1 1 1 Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 36 minutes ago, Reciever said: I didnt realize how bad the market has gotten in the last few months. The Red Devil 7900 XTX that I traded plus cash for seems to be selling for double? Thats nuts Also returning my 3rd 12TB drive, seems people are trying to offload junk on ebay/amazon It really is terrible right now. I also have not paid a lot of attention, but started looking closer after seeing some of the drama around 50-series and it's really bad. I think it has actually gotten worse since launch and the few people that were able to buy a 5090 or 5080 at the "expected" price still got treated wrong with reliability and functionality problems, but now the prices seem to have skyrocketed to even higher levels of unreasonableness. And, no... I absolutely do not believe that tariffs are increasing the prices by 50% or more. I do believe that the tariffs are being used as an excuse to gouge consumers and increase profits in an unethical manner. They would be doing the same thing in the absense of tariffs. If these companies were honest they would show the prices before tariffs are added and be accountable for the amount they are trying to tack on for the actual tariffs. Do I think that inventory was held back to create artificial demand and allow them to use tariffs as a lame excuse to justify exhorbitant predator pricing? Yes, I do. They're all scum. And, the scummy price gouging is not exclusively 50-series. It's everything across the board now totally out of control and getting progressively worse over the past year. We saw if first with necessities like food and other things that have nothing whatsoever to do with tariffs, Trump or Elon. The only products priced to value are the things most people don't want or need, so they have priced the trash to sell. 1 1 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X670E Gene | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 35 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: It really is terrible right now. I also have not paid a lot of attention, but started looking closer after seeing some of the drama around 50-series and it's really bad. See the whole video. Also AMD offer scam. 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, Papusan said: That is an EXCELLENT video that very accurately describes the insane scamming, collusion and fraud that is taking place. He is spot on and it is a scam of epic proportions. This criminal behavior is extending to all PC components now. The only way to stop this is to starve the pig to the brink of death. Dead scammers don't scam. Dead pigs don't squeal, but they both squirm before taking their last breath of life. China's ability to survive needs to become a matter of doubt for China and the rest of the world, and we need to take the next steps and remove any doubt by taking them out for good and returning them to third-world status with no ability to buy or sell anything, anywhere. They need to be forced into having focus all of their attention to working their rice patties or starving to death, with no help from the rest of the world. What matters is performance and value. But you can't find either one from Team Red or Team Green. AMD isn't focused on adding value or performance. They're only focused on NVIDIA in order to figure how badly they can get away with screwing their own fanboys. AMD GPU stock was shipped and ready to sell some time ago. It is collecting dust, just waiting so they can copy the unethical behavior of their competitor and maximize the price of their own trash. They don't care about their own brand or the people that buy their brand. Same as NVIDIA. From relevant starting point... 1 1 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X670E Gene | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 We need to stop caring about things like GPUs. They don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Far more is at stake than our hobby. We need more than tariffs. That's not going far enough. We should ban all forms of trade with China, seize all assets owned by China in the US and its territories, ban import and sale of all products manufactured in China, ban all travel to and from China, block the sale and export of any and all products to China, including food and natural resources, revoke visas and begin deporting all Chinese Nationals. The China Threat | Federal Bureau of Investigation - Counterintelligence The counterintelligence and economic espionage efforts emanating from the government of China and the Chinese Communist Party are a grave threat to the economic well-being and democratic values of the United States. Confronting this threat is the FBI’s top counterintelligence priority. To be clear, the adversary is not the Chinese people or people of Chinese descent or heritage. The threat comes from the programs and policies pursued by an authoritarian government. The Chinese government is employing tactics that seek to influence lawmakers and public opinion to achieve policies that are more favorable to China. At the same time, the Chinese government is seeking to become the world’s greatest superpower through predatory lending and business practices, systematic theft of intellectual property, and brazen cyber intrusions. China’s efforts target businesses, academic institutions, researchers, lawmakers, and the general public and will require a whole-of-society response. The government and the private sector must commit to working together to better understand and counter the threat. “The greatest long-term threat to our nation’s information and intellectual property, and to our economic vitality, is the counterintelligence and economic espionage threat from China.” FBI Director Christopher Wray The Threat Posed by the Chinese Government and the Chinese Communist Party to the Economic and National Security of the United States China is the primary source of most of the problems facing the US and the world abroad. The destruction of their economic structure and their ability to be a participant in global trade is essential to the health and well-being of the world. 1 1 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X670E Gene | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 All good ideas, but AMD isn't known for having good business sense. This manufacturing defect basically makes 5090 not only a poor value proposition monetarily, but also loses what very few benefits it offers over a 4090 in terms of performance. AMD needs to take advantage of this and strike while the iron it hot. But will they? Maybe. Probably not. 2 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X670E Gene | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: This basically makes 5090 not only a poor value proposition monetarily, but also loses what very few benefits it offers over a 4090 in terms of performance. AMD needs to take advantage of this and strike while the iron it hot. But will they? Nvidia knew about it... A long time time. Nvidia is an American multinational corporation and technology company. Their etics is trash. NVIDIA confirms 0.5% of RTX 5090(D) and RTX 5070 Ti were shipped with fewer ROPs NVIDIA has just issued a statement on something that we reported yesterday. Only after a report from TechPowerUP, who discovered an anomaly in product specs, did the company decide to confirm that there was indeed a production issue. Here is another US company with same trashy/questionable etics .... Meta defends using pirated material, claims it's legal. And Mr. Musk. He should be jailed for the same. Both Suckerman and Musk should be jailed. There is only one place for such CEOs. 1 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciever Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Steer the topic back towards the threads topic please. Thanks Everyone 1 2 1 Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 2 hours ago, Papusan said: Here is another US company with same trashy/questionable etics .... Meta defends using pirated material, claims it's legal. And Mr. Musk. He should be jailed for the same. Both Suckerman and Musk should be jailed. There is only one place for such CEOs. You and I will have to disagree about Elon. We are good friends, so that is totally fine. We do not have to agree on everything. Musk is one of the rare business executives with his head screwed on straight. He has unleashed an attack on an evil empire of corruption, starting with their financial resources secretly funded by taxpayer money, and it is natural he will be hated and smeared by the media. He and Trump were both once the darlings of the liberal left because they thought they were allies in their war against decency and sanity. The problem is US and World News is misreported in our own country, so I can only imagine it is exponentially worse in other countries that have governments run by people who have even lower ethical standards and more corrupt leaders than we do. The mainstream "news" media across the globe is almost entirely fake and disinformation and carefully organized lies by a left-wing cartel run by utterly insane nutjobs that have an agenda that is detrimental for the world. People need to stop listening to any and all information that comes from syndicated "news" sources because almost all of it is false narrative. When people with common sense, traditional Judeo-Christian and traditional conservative family values occupy any executive leadership position in big business or big government they land on this cartel's hit list and the smear campaigns begin. Their onslaught of lies is endless. They are having an emotional breakdown right now because they have lost control of the narrative. Trump and Musk are making them all look like the retarded monkeys that all of them are. As Trump, Musk, Patel, Bondi, Gabbard and other members of Trump's integrity posse reveal more of their tricks, lies and fraud they will scream louder and louder because their sins are being revealed to the world and they may (hopefully) never recover from it. Some of them (not enough of them) will land in jail and their leftwing kingpins will probably continue the assassination attempts on Trump and other leaders of his administration because they are all fundamentally evil and have an evil agenda that has been seriously threatened for the first time in my lifetime. 1 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X670E Gene | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 2 minutes ago, Reciever said: Steer the topic back towards the threads topic please. Thanks Everyone Will do. Thanks, brother. 1 1 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X670E Gene | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 21 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: The 5080 pricing, although too high, would be in line with 4090 pricing. The problem is that 5080 is a downgrade from 4090 performance and specs, while priced roughly the same. The price of 5090 is just unacceptable by every measurement on face value. It's only a minor upgrade over 4090 with an absolutely absurd $1,000+ premium attached to it. Paying a ton of extra money for a small upgrade is a price to value disparity make no sense for anyone that possesses any sense. Some of the models were priced not as bad, but the other ones are ridiculous. The Astral for $1600+? No.... If you're into DLSS and FG for your games and fps rule the roost, the 5080 is the superior card. If you're into content creation and rely on the updated encoders/decoders for the 5000 series, you're caught in a weird spot. Superior encoders/decoders vs 50% more memory (of course the 5090 satisfies both with aplomb) Sad but true even with 16GB of memory. I'm not into either as a defining factor, so anything >$1000 for a 5080 is simply unacceptable because of the 4090. If I'm going to spend ~$1500 on a 5080, I'm going to wait and snag a used 4090, period. Assuming you snag a 5080 at $999.99, 8GB of memory and slightly faster (or more depending on game) does not justify 50% or higher price especially as of now it is no longer the top dog out there. 4090 is now officially a 5080ti with none of the new blackwell tech. 21 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: When you step back and look at everything it is totally ridiculous. Beyond not being exciting, I think it is something everyone should be very unhappy or even angry about it. It is blantant shafting to be totally blunt about it. There is no way in hell it costs such a substantially higher amount than a 5080 to manufacture a 5090. Certainly not $800 - $1500 more depending on what brand of crookedness is your favorite. As you make your way down the product stack to the mundane options like 5070 Ti to value proposition does not improve. Anyone that doesn't see this as getting screwed over royally just isn't playing with a full deck or they are such a fanboy that they have lost their ability to think rationally and objectively. The problem is bigger than simple greed. It is a deliberately crafted scam that can only be viewed as an ethical failure. What I hope happens is that NVIDIA ends up taking a financial blood bath on this, but I fear there are too many stupid people that handle their financial affairs in a careless and scatterbrained manner to let them fail. They deserve to lose a fortune and incur devastating losses on this totally botched product launch and I hope that they get what they deserve. The uplift isn't "bad" but the price is just insanely high over an already insanely high priced 4090 and is now closer to $5k than zero. As for gamers, hopefully a wall is hit and after the initial rush of those where price is no object, the market corrects again like it did with the 4080. The 4080->4080 Super shows it can be done plus you have AMD yet again with a 9070xt which may force Nvidia to price correct down with the 5070ti and lower and maybe even the 5080 sooner than later. Unfortunately, there is no answer for the 5090 superiority. 19 hours ago, Reciever said: I didnt realize how bad the market has gotten in the last few months. The Red Devil 7900 XTX that I traded plus cash for seems to be selling for double? Thats nuts Also returning my 3rd 12TB drive, seems people are trying to offload junk on ebay/amazon This has been the reality the last three cycles but especially bad this cycle. Demand will always exist at all times at various levels and when supply suddenly evaporates, prices skyrocket even for older models. Watching 7900xtx cards go from being priced at close to $900 even upper end models like the Nitro+ and Taichi suddenly skyrocket in price to $1300-1400+ was crazy along with 4000 series cards but it will normalize. The one thing to take from this is there is a 2-5 month window on average where if you're going to sell then sell and limp by on a filler card while you wait and reap the financial awards. OR choose to keep your card till you can replace it with a better card and suffer the financial loss as a result if valid. 2 Electrosoft Alpha: 9800X3D | Asus X870E Hero Crosshair | Nvidia RTX 5080 FE| AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 @ 2200/6400 tuned | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-14900KS SP109 | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | Samsung 980 1TB Pro | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" Ellectrosoft Mobile Alpha: MSI Raider | 7950HX3D | Nvidia RTX 4090 | Kingston Fury 2x16GB DDR5 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | 18" QHD | WiFi 7 Ellectrosoft Mobile Beta: Eurocom X15 Raptor | i9-12900k | Nvidia RTX 3070ti | HyperX 3200 CL20 32GB | Samsung 990 2TB | 15.6" 144hz | Wifi 6E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 35 minutes ago, electrosoft said: If I'm going to spend ~$1500 on a 5080, I'm going to wait and snag a used 4090, period. And, unless you find a used 4090 for sale by someone with a shred of integrity left you'll pay 5090 FE MSRP for a used 4090, even more if you buy it from dishonest marketplace sellers on Amazon and NewEgg. Hell, you cannot even buy a 3090 Ti for less than a 4090 from a commercial source right now. The pricing of 3080 Ti, 3080, 7900 XTX and 6900/6950 XT are equally idiotic. Even the Arc B580 sells out immediately at prices routinely 30-50% higher than appropriate, sometimes even more inappropriate. The industry is off the rails insane. It's not because "companies are in business to make money" because they would make money selling the parts at their intended prices. It is due to their excessive greed, immorality and corruption. I hope you are right, but I am skeptical that it will correct and fear it will worsen. The world we live in is circling the drain in terms of decency and common sense, so we will have to wait and see how this shakes out. Again, I hope you are right and hope I am wrong. I am unable to drum up the optimism I once held about the things all of us have enjoyed for many years. I think we are seeing our hobby systematically destroyed by unscrupulous tech industry leaders. What is so idiotic about it is the more they hurt us the more they will ultimately hurt themselves. They might temporarily rake in a lot of money by defrauding the public, but their house of cards will eventually implode when they run out of stupid victims volunteering to be taken advantage of and we will all be left holding the bag. The losses for manufacturers. retailers and consumers will be massive and painful for all. 1 1 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X670E Gene | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 The uplift in overall performance and especially in 1% on some games is absolutely banger with the 5090 vs 4090 approaching 50%+ 5090 is definitely a beastly upgrade across the board vs the 4090 but again pricing and availability at launch are horrific. It pushes the 4090 definitely much closer to the 5080 than the 5090 in performance. 1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said: And, unless you find a used 4090 for sale by someone with a shred of integrity left you'll pay 5090 FE MSRP for a used 4090, even more if you buy it from dishonest marketplace sellers on Amazon and NewEgg. Hell, you cannot even buy a 3090 Ti for less than a 4090 from a commercial source right now. The pricing of 3080 Ti, 3080, 7900 XTX and 6900/6950 XT are equally idiotic. Even the Arc B580 sells out immediately at prices routinely 30-50% higher than appropriate, sometimes even more inappropriate. The industry is off the rails insane. It's not because "companies are in business to make money" because they would make money selling the parts at their intended prices. It is due to their excessive greed, immorality and corruption. I hope you are right, but I am skeptical that it will correct and fear it will worsen. The world we live in is circling the drain in terms of decency and common sense, so we will have to wait and see how this shakes out. Again, I hope you are right and hope I am wrong. I am unable to drum up the optimism I once held about the things all of us have enjoyed for many years. I think we are seeing our hobby systematically destroyed by unscrupulous tech industry leaders. What is so idiotic about it is the more they hurt us the more they will ultimately hurt themselves. They might temporarily rake in a lot of money by defrauding the public, but their house of cards will eventually implode when they run out of stupid victims volunteering to be taken advantage of and we will all be left holding the bag. The losses for manufacturers. retailers and consumers will be massive and painful for all. It will. The lack of new cards, EOL of older cards and market conditions are at their worst atm. 9070xt launching soon (I will assume AMD has been bolstering stock on top of initial stock) and Nvidia ramping up production will ease demand accordingly. A year from now we will revisit this..... Tariffs are a factor of course but they don't really factor in atm because of insane demand for, well,everything atm. What is consistent is the constant outlandish MSRP increases from Nvidia which serves as the anchor pricing upon which all the other factors come into play producing absolutely outlandish costs and availability at launch. Looking at ebay and StockX, prices are starting to come down already. Here is an example of a garbage tactic from an ebayer trying to imply he sold 24 5090 FEs at anywhere near this pricing. Newsflash, he did not. The trick is to set an initial quantity sale to 25 then reduce stock to 1. For some reason, eBay will show the others as sold so you get the impression the seller only has one left in stock. I've been following a few 5090 FEs and watched them start at 6k+, then in the 5k+ range and now in the 4k+ range from established sellers clearly with product in hand. Everything is moving as expected. Could it suddenly go against past trends? Absolutely, but we will see. 2 1 Electrosoft Alpha: 9800X3D | Asus X870E Hero Crosshair | Nvidia RTX 5080 FE| AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 @ 2200/6400 tuned | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-14900KS SP109 | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | Samsung 980 1TB Pro | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" Ellectrosoft Mobile Alpha: MSI Raider | 7950HX3D | Nvidia RTX 4090 | Kingston Fury 2x16GB DDR5 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | 18" QHD | WiFi 7 Ellectrosoft Mobile Beta: Eurocom X15 Raptor | i9-12900k | Nvidia RTX 3070ti | HyperX 3200 CL20 32GB | Samsung 990 2TB | 15.6" 144hz | Wifi 6E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 hours ago, electrosoft said: I've been following a few 5090 FEs and watched them start at 6k+, then in the 5k+ range and now in the 4k+ range from established sellers clearly with product in hand. Everything is moving as expected. Could it suddenly go against past trends? Absolutely, but we will see. absolutely agreed, im seeing the same trend here in europe as well. keep holding out boiz, i think March will be a nice turnaround with regards to stock 🙂 1 1 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-25) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / 4x Western Digital Black SN850P/X 8TB in 2x RAID 0 / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-25) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 19 hours ago, electrosoft said: I've been following a few 5090 FEs and watched them start at 6k+, then in the 5k+ range and now in the 4k+ range from established sellers clearly with product in hand. Why go after 5090 if you can get the 5070Ti for around half the price? 😀 Retail Prices For NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Go Crazy: Custom Models Now Listed For $2,000+ Quote Nothing beat Microsoft and their creativity... Laptops is perfect designed for pushing ads. Unblockable ads now litter Microsoft's Windows Surface app Microsoft's Surface app within Windows 11 now looks like a Black Friday circular, with seemingly unblockable ads trying to sell you a variety of PC accessories and software subscriptions. Most laptop manufacturers include smart-charging options inside their utility applications, like MyAsus or the Lenovo Vantage application. Microsoft uses the bare-bones Surface app to control that feature, so I opened it up to make a quick fix. And what you think I saw there? Unblockable ads within Windows. Nice to have🤢 4 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 This was a really interesting video from Jay. 1 1 1 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X670E Gene | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 22 hours ago, Papusan said: Unblockable ads now litter Microsoft's Windows Surface app Microsoft's Surface app within Windows 11 now looks like a Black Friday circular, with seemingly unblockable ads trying to sell you a variety of PC accessories and software subscriptions. Most laptop manufacturers include smart-charging options inside their utility applications, like MyAsus or the Lenovo Vantage application. Microsoft uses the bare-bones Surface app to control that feature, so I opened it up to make a quick fix. And what you think I saw there? Unblockable ads within Windows. Nice to have🤢 The notion of buying anything good from the Redmond Retards is totally ludicrous. They evidently lack the ability to do anything right. The alternative is that their stupidity is either deliberate and malicious or they are so stupid they have no idea how stupid they actually are. I intentionally avoid purchasing anything from them because I know whatever it is, it is going to be effed up. 1 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X670E Gene | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 52 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: They evidently lack the ability to do anything right. Same can be said about Nvidia... Or today's tech companies. First GeForce RTX 5080 discovered with 104 ROPS, 8 missing in action https://videocardz.com/newz/first-geforce-rtx-5080-discovered-with-104-rops-8-missing-in-action 2 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 On 2/23/2025 at 2:43 PM, Papusan said: Same can be said about Nvidia... Or today's tech companies. First GeForce RTX 5080 discovered with 104 ROPS, 8 missing in action https://videocardz.com/newz/first-geforce-rtx-5080-discovered-with-104-rops-8-missing-in-action It is the new standard of normalcy for computer tech to carry defects, suck in performance, lacking in features and/or value. Nothing is actually any good or legitimately priced based on actual value. 1 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X670E Gene | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: This was a really interesting video from Jay. in this context, pulled out my suprim yesterday: here the PSU cable plug, original seasonic that came with my TX-1600 (ATX 2.4 version) and terminating in 2x8pins on the PSU side. here the gpu socket. all is well it seems. dont mind the slight discoloration in the upper left corner of the socket, thats actually just a bit of dust (yeah my case needs a bit of cleaning 😄) i think in total ive unplugged this cable maybe twice now....? so "should" be good to be used for a third time, which will likely be its last until i get my hands on a 5090. 2 1 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-25) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / 4x Western Digital Black SN850P/X 8TB in 2x RAID 0 / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-25) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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