*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Sometimes you have to crack some eggs. But, it is hard to unscramble an egg. The problem was our short-sighted  government "leaders" in years past that allowed American companies to do business with China and offshore things to enhance profits. That never should have been allowed. Any ties with China should have been forbidden. Technology and information never should have been shared with them. They have never been a trustworthy nation and it was foolish to think sleeping with them (figuratively) would have a good ending. If will have its pain points, but also rewards and punishments will be earned.

 

Yup, some will suffer thats for sure. And mostly those with less than others. We see it here home. And we will see it other places. Poverty will Increase. And many will only get the bare minimum to survive. Much of the produced goods will go to the people that have a easier life. And that's life.

 

Greed will always be the driving factor. Whatever if the goods is produced home or abroad. Buy homemade products will always be more expensive... And that will drive up inflation and prices. Always. I look at you... Norway. Disgusting.

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Yup, some will suffer thats for sure. And mostly those with less than others. We see it here home. And we will see it other places. Poverty will Increase. And many will only get the bare minimum to survive. 

COVID-19 was China's gift to the world as payback for including them and giving them a place to sit as the world's table. Now it's time to pay them back. Not too worried about electronics and silicon trash. The reset needs to happen or things will only get worse. Kicking the can down the road and leaving it to our children and grandchildren to fix things tomorrow because it is too inconvenient today never ends well. Too many stupid things have been allowed to happen for too long. I can do without my computer hobby if I need to.

[Papusan]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

COVID-19 was China's gift to the world as payback for including them a place to sit as the world's table. It's time to pay them back. Not too worried about electronics and silicon trash. The reset needs to happen or things will only get worse. Kicking the can down the road and leaving it to our children and grandchildren to fix things tomorrow because it is too inconvenient today never ends well. Too many stupid things have been allowed to happen for too long. I can do without my computer hobby if I need to.

 

The main problem... This mess won't be only for  electronics and silicon trash. What can't be fixed won't be fixed. That's facts. You can't make a living cutting your neighbor's hair.

 

And less you have the less you can buy. In the end the circle will start all over again. Push works over to those that can make it cheaper.

 

 

 

Sad seeing what direction Framework goes... More trash created. More Electronic waste (e-waste).

 

Framework's First Mini Desktop Is A Ryzen AI Max Powered Console Killer

[Mr. Fox]

40 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

The main problem... This mess won't be only for  electronics and silicon trash. What can't be fixed won't be fixed. That's facts. You can't make a living cutting your neighbor's hair.

I can set aside my fondness of overclocking high-end computers if I need to. Stuff is so crippled now that it is looking like this hobby might be systematically eliminated for us by the idiots making the products we buy.

 

China doesn't offer anything the world actually "needs" when you stop and think about it. Unless cheap slave labor to make electronics and silicon trash for the rest of the world at the lowest possible cost and the maximum profilt possible is something of a "need" for someone. They bring nothing of value except for cheap labor for the manufacturing of electronics and that eliminates jobs at home. The reliance on them is created and artificial and they are actually expendable. They are reliant on foreign trade for some of life's basic necessities and survival will be more difficult for them.

 

Without help from the United States and a few other nations they will starve to death because they import most of what they need. Between 2000 and 2020, the country’s food self-sufficiency ratio decreased from 93.6 percent to 65.8 percent. Changing diet patterns have also driven up China’s imports of edible oils, sugar, meat, and processed foods. In 2021, the country’s edible import-dependency ratio reached nearly 70 percent. We should stop giving and selling them what they need to survive.

 

They are a third-world nation with a few wealthy dynasties and the most evil totalitarian government in the world and the most-polluted environment in the world. As a nation they only possess what they can buy or steal from other nations. I am OK with not having high-end computers and other digital rubbish this is not necessary like camera doorbells and eavesdropping digital assistants and smartphone operated thermostats.

[win32asmguy]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Sometimes you have to crack some eggs. But, it is hard to unscramble an egg. The problem was our short-sighted  government "leaders" in years past that allowed American companies to do business with China and offshore things to enhance profits. That never should have been allowed. Any ties with China should have been forbidden. Technology and information never should have been shared with them. They have never been a trustworthy nation and it was foolish to think sleeping with them (figuratively) would have a good ending. If will have its pain points, but also rewards and punishments will be earned.

 

I wish someone with deep pockets could help get the System76 Virgo Laptop project going again. Its a design that would be fully open source and produced domestically, along with using open source firmware. It would likely only ever be an Intel platform as AMD and Nvidia do not really collaborate on these types of projects that threaten their established OEM ecosystem.

 

Its not much but if you are ever looking for a mechanical keyboard they make a fully domestically manufactured one. I was even able to take a quick tour of their factory in Denver where they have their fabrication machines back when I bricked one of their laptops and needed it to be recovery flashed.

[Mr. Fox]

2 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

I wish someone with deep pockets could help get the System76 Virgo Laptop project going again. Its a design that would be fully open source and produced domestically, along with using open source firmware. It would likely only ever be an Intel platform as AMD and Nvidia do not really collaborate on these types of projects that threaten their established OEM ecosystem.

 

Its not much but if you are ever looking for a mechanical keyboard they make a fully domestically manufactured one. I was even able to take a quick tour of their factory in Denver where they have their fabrication machines back when I bricked one of their laptops and needed it to be recovery flashed.

Is that keyboard sold by System76 on their web site, or is it marketed under another brand name?

[electrosoft]

7 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

The price on the Eluktronics Hydroc G2 is better. Its $3300 for a config without SSD, RAM and OS but including 275HX, 5090m and miniLED display. The memory is no longer stacked and has some active cooling so its better built for overclocking this generation. The GPU is a proprietary modular board. No gaurantee of upgrades but it should be less expensive as a spare part than a BGA CPU+GPU board.

 

I guess if you compare it to a desktop 285K and 5080 its only about a 100% surcharge for being mobile.

 

Unfortunately they do not offer an 18" version. 😞

 

I've always been a 17.3" or greater type of laptop owner since the Alienware M-ALX 19" was introduced. Only twice did I use a 15.6" model in all those years as my daily driver. Alienware 15 (920mx + 260m on launch) and the NH55 (last gasp DTR'esque laptop).

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 minute ago, electrosoft said:

 

Unfortunately they do not offer an 18" version. 😞

 

I've always been a 17.3" or greater type of laptop owner since the Alienware M-ALX 19" was introduced. Only twice did I use a 15.6" model in all those years as my daily driver. Alienware 15 (920mx + 260m on launch) and the NH55 (last gasp DTR'esque laptop).

I have never truly liked any laptop with a screen smaller than 17.3" (as the minimum) and I ended up not keeping anything smaller because I found them extremely annoying and unpleasant to use, not to mentioned being further compromised by the size reduction.

[win32asmguy]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Is that keyboard sold by System76 on their web site, or is it marketed under another brand name?

 

Yes on their site. It is called launch (or launch heavy which is the one I have with a 10 key). They have a custom designed firmware for the keyboard with very lightweight config software that works on windows and Linux. It also remembers the configuration so no need to even keep the software loaded unless it needs a firmware update.

[Mr. Fox]

10 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Yes on their site. It is called launch (or launch heavy which is the one I have with a 10 key). They have a custom designed firmware for the keyboard with very lightweight config software that works on windows and Linux. It also remembers the configuration so no need to even keep the software loaded unless it needs a firmware update.

Looking at it now. I like it all except for the white keys. Not fond of the look of that. How do you like yours? Not a bad price for a durable American-made product that would be used for many years. I do not like TKL so it is good they offer a "normal" keyboard. 

 

https://system76.com/keyboards/launch_heavy_3/configure

[win32asmguy]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Looking at it now. I like it all except for the white keys. Not fond of the look of that. How do you like yours? Not a bad price for a durable American-made product that would be used for many years. I do not like TKL so it is good they offer a "normal" keyboard. 

 

https://system76.com/keyboards/launch_heavy_3/configure

 

It's a good keyboard. Indeed very heavy. I ordered it with pink switches but think I actually wanted browns so I have been waiting for that set to arrive. I believe cherry switches can be ordered from digikey to be used in place of the kalh ones they offer. Everything is pretty modular so replacement of worn out parts should be easy to do if needed.

 

They also make ATX cases as well, but unfortunately I needed SSI-EEB so I had to go with the fractal option instead.

[Papusan]

$100 USD too much. AMD and their partners want a bite of the cake. I wonder how much extra AIB partners can charge extra due AMD won't make own cards. 

 

RX 9070 XT starting at $699. No mid range card should cost $700 USD. And cheaper and slower GDDR6 vram modules shouldn't offer price premium. Rather the opposite.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/microcenter-lists-radeon-rx-9070-series-rx-9070-xt-starting-at-699-rx-9070-at-649

 

[win32asmguy]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Unfortunately they do not offer an 18" version. 😞

 

I've always been a 17.3" or greater type of laptop owner since the Alienware M-ALX 19" was introduced. Only twice did I use a 15.6" model in all those years as my daily driver. Alienware 15 (920mx + 260m on launch) and the NH55 (last gasp DTR'esque laptop).

 

I can live without 18 inch, but that being said I can carry a portable 16 inch monitor to use as a second display, and would also rip out the force fed high DPI garbage QHD+ display and replace it with a more sane FHD+ 165hz panel that is more power efficient and far easier to pair with external displays at a similar ~100DPI. I think for me QHD+ at a minimum needs to be in a 21 inch laptop panel - otherwise its just too much of a jump unless someone has 20/20 vision and does not get migraines looking at a display for extended amounts of time.

 

This 16 inch is testing stable at 8000MT C38 according to Prema. They do not have CSODIMM modules yet.

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

I can live without 18 inch, but that being said I can carry a portable 16 inch monitor to use as a second display, and would also rip out the force fed high DPI garbage QHD+ display and replace it with a more sane FHD+ 165hz panel that is more power efficient and far easier to pair with external displays at a similar ~100DPI. I think for me QHD+ at a minimum needs to be in a 21 inch laptop panel - otherwise its just too much of a jump unless someone has 20/20 vision and does not get migraines looking at a display for extended amounts of time.

 

This 16 inch is testing stable at 8000MT C38 according to Prema. They do not have CSODIMM modules yet.

Totally get that and agree. 4K is not great below about 27-inch. Text is too small unless you increase scaling above 100% and I do not like anything except for 100%. Increasing the scaling just makes everything uglier because it jacks up too many elements and makes them all out of whack proportionally. Even using 100% scaling for 4K on my 27-inch screen I increase the font size for menus and desktop icon text to make it as easy on the eyes as 1440p. My Precision 17 has a 4K display and I manually change the resolution to 2560x1440 and that works fine. 4K at 100% scaling is horrible on a 17-inch laptop... borderline unusable and miserable. And, I have very good eyesight other than a touch of colorblindness.

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

$100 USD too much. AMD and their partners want a bite of the cake. I wonder how much extra AIB partners can charge extra due AMD won't make own cards. 

 

RX 9070 XT starting at $699. No mid range card should cost $700 USD. And cheaper and slower GDDR6 vram modules shouldn't offer price premium. Rather the opposite.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/microcenter-lists-radeon-rx-9070-series-rx-9070-xt-starting-at-699-rx-9070-at-649

 

[Papusan]

Nvidia in a nutshell...

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

21 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Nvidia in a nutshell...

 

Somebody needs to deliver the message to NVIDIA. Roman and Steve (GamersNexus) are doing that, but the bottom line is NVIDIA don't care. They never have. The difference now is that they care less than they used to.

 

Hey, Jensen...

[Papusan]

55 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Somebody needs to deliver the message to NVIDIA. Roman and Steve (GamersNexus) are doing that, but the bottom line is NVIDIA don't care. They never have. The difference now is that they care less than they used to.

 

Hey, Jensen...

 

Will be fun to see if they lift the ban for unlimited vram overclock for their power limit castrated 5000 series cards. Nvidia have still not fixed the voltage cap added in the drivers for Maxwell the last 3 years. 

[win32asmguy]

FSR3/ULTRA

 

Funny how close it is to the 4090...

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, win32asmguy said:

FSR3/ULTRA

 

Funny how close it is to the 4090...

Yes it is very close. This game benchmark seems more CPU heavy than most as well, so the minor difference might be largely your CPU if the benchmark using more the available cores.

[Papusan]

LOOL

 

[tps3443]

I’ve decided to get a new power supply for my new build. White cables for the all white case. I’m stepping up to 1200w this time just for efficiency sake. 
 

Taking a look at the Lian Li 1200w Edge. These units are very well received apparently. The removable attached USB hub, and fan hub is awesome and very convenient. Also has a removable fan filter as well. This should make wire management easy. 

 

White Lian Li V3000+ Case 

White Lian Li P28 Fans (No RGB)

White Lian Li Edge PSU

 

Once the singularity dual D5 distro plate arrives, I’ll get the build finally going. The Lian Li V3000+ Plus case is just sitting in the box. 
 

[electrosoft]

Tossing the "5080 is a 5070ti in disguise" argument out the window by comparing previous generations performance wise and plotting their performance data points.

 

I said this before in this thread. Somewhere people arbitrarily started to associate cuda cores with class of cards and nowhere did Nvidia ever present or imply that.

 

Basically, YT and some users set up their own strawman to knock down....

 

(Timestamped)

 

 

[jaybee83]

5 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

FSR3/ULTRA

 

Funny how close it is to the 4090...

 

gotta go for 4K minimum, otherwise ull be cpu bottlenecked to kingdom come 🙂 

[Papusan]

16 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Tossing the "5080 is a 5070ti in disguise" argument out the window by comparing previous generations performance wise and plotting their performance data points.

 

I said this before in this thread. Somewhere people arbitrarily started to associate cuda cores with class of cards and nowhere did Nvidia ever present or imply that.

 

Basically, YT and some users set up their own strawman to knock down....

 

(Timestamped)

 

 

 

Each to their own. A xx80 cards with half the cores vs geforce high end cards is just disgusting. Die Size 378 mm² is equal or even smaller than what is used for NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti. 

 

Yet another disgusting PSU design choice. No 8 pin connectors for Radeon or Intel graphics cards. But offer dual 12V-2x6 connectors for dual nvidia graphics. Maybe Nvidia have paid for the whole R&D ?🤔 Or maybe they subsidise this model? Damn disgusting PSU design choice for the power outputs.

 

 

1250W PSU and one lonely PCIe (6+2 pin). And that one will go to the MB as well. Thats'''' perverse...

 

 

https://www.guru3d.com/story/mpg-a1600t-pcie6-a1250gs-pcie5-and-mpg-a1000gs-pcie5-new-pcie5-power-supply-line/

 

Who'm should pay above $700 for a xx70tier card? @Mr. Fox ready to open your wallet?

 

AMD FSR 4 might not be as good as expected, far behind NVIDIA and slightly worse than Intel?

 

Whether it is RTX50 or RDN4, after finishing the evaluation, my feeling is that this generation of graphics cards is completely a generation of products for technical experiments. To put it bluntly, it is treating buyers as guinea pigs.

 

On 2/25/2025 at 8:02 PM, electrosoft said:

MSI Raider 9955HX3D w/ 5090 = $4900+tax?

 

Wha......

 

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100157995 601470204 601411480 600553911&Order=1

 

 

Asus Scar 18 275h + 5090 has priced up since "tariffs" to $4499 + tax....

 

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16834236578

 

That will be a great deal for those that prefer (gaming) Jokebook. Because prices will be even worse for the US market. 

Trump's tariff on China is going up to 20 percent

President Trump now says that he's applying an additional 10 percent tariff to goods imported from China, and tariffs against Mexico and Canada will begin in March.

 

Trump has also declared plans to charge a separate 25 percent tariff on chip imports by April 2, potentially spiking prices even higher.

 

If you are in need for etc new graphics cards then it's time to buy it now if you can find one for sale.

[Mr. Fox]

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Each to their own. A xx80 cards with half the cores vs geforce high end cards is just disgusting. Die Size 378 mm² is equal or even smaller than what is used for NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti. 

 

Yet another disgusting PSU design choice. No 8 pin connectors for Radeon or Intel graphics cards. But offer dual 12V-2x6 connectors for dual nvidia graphics. Maybe Nvidia have paid for the whole R&D ?🤔 Or maybe they subsidise this model? Damn disgusting PSU design choice for the power outputs.

 

 

1250W PSU and one lonely PCIe (6+2 pin). And that one will go to the MB as well. Thats'''' perverse...

 

 

https://www.guru3d.com/story/mpg-a1600t-pcie6-a1250gs-pcie5-and-mpg-a1000gs-pcie5-new-pcie5-power-supply-line/

 

Who'm should pay above $700 for a xx70tier card? @Mr. Fox ready to open your wallet?

 

AMD FSR 4 might not be as good as expected, far behind NVIDIA and slightly worse than Intel?

 

Whether it is RTX50 or RDN4, after finishing the evaluation, my feeling is that this generation of graphics cards is completely a generation of products for technical experiments. To put it bluntly, it is treating buyers as guinea pigs.

 

 

That will be a great deal for those that prefer (gaming) Jokebook. Because prices will be even worse for the US market. 

Trump's tariff on China is going up to 20 percent

President Trump now says that he's applying an additional 10 percent tariff to goods imported from China, and tariffs against Mexico and Canada will begin in March.

 

Trump has also declared plans to charge a separate 25 percent tariff on chip imports by April 2, potentially spiking prices even higher.

 

If you are in need for etc new graphics cards then it's time to buy it now if you can find one for sale.

I hope he puts a 1000% tariff on all transactions with China... buying and selling. Instant death to GPUs and motherboards assembled in China using parts patented and made by American companies. 💯 Buh-bye China. RIP.