*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Did you have a chance to see if it is a keeper or a defective sample RMA candidate?

 

What do you say to Best Buy when you return lousy silicon samples for a refund? (Curious what you tell them.) Do they give you any crap or resistance?

 

Not yet. I'll pop it in today most likely if I get time.

 

Not much. I'm an elite member and I buy so much stuff from them for myself, family and clients (I usually hit elite status before the end of Q1 sometimes sooner) I suspect it is a drop in the bucket overall. Plus my wife is good friends with the CS lady in there. It's a running joke with them, "Oh....what's he going to return today?" or when picking up an order she will tell her, "So when can we expect this back?" 😆

 

I've kept plenty of duds from them or average chips. If I'm building out for someone who doesn't give a hoot about overclocking I'm going to keep the CPU anyhow but I can absolutely say with 100% confidence the highest amount of mediocre chips I've ever tested over the last 3 years have all come from Best Buy. Best buy holds the record for the WORST chips too for 9th->11th and even my brothers 5600x was barely a silver. I switched from an air cooler to a 240mm AIO in his mATX buildout because it ran warmer than normal.

 

The best chips without a doubt have come from Newegg. Everyone was above average or higher going back to even 6th gen.

 

Anecdotal at best but that is just my experience.

[johnksss]

These are the gpus that finally made it off the ship from being stuck at sea for like over a year. 

And they threw in a few 3090 TI's for good measure.😂

[Papusan]

13 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Now you know almost every laptop (and plenty of desktops) that roll off the line get subpar scores till they are released into the wild and we get our hands on them and tune them up good and proper. 😁

 

With that being said, that is a full fat 12700k in there obviously throttling. It is scoring lower than my 10900k in my X170SM-G. It's going to need some work,

Still, the 12700K in this hybrid-laptop is far behind an mobile Cpu in benchmarks. And Notebookcheck don’t tweak the HW for best performance in their reviews. Then we have the cooling. Could be you don’t have much headroom to let it stretch it’s legs. Maybe undervolting will help but you can probably do that in the Jokebooks with an unlocked BGA chips as well. Same for improvement’s in cooling with etc LM. Yep, for me a flawed product. There is probably a reason they didn’t post benchmarks with 12900K. 

[Reciever]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Since I have essentially ignored laptops for several years due to lack of interest, it is almost impossible for me to identify "decent" mobile performance on face value. But, the numbers shows that you are the Fire Strike world record holder for 9700F and mobile 1080. Your closest competitor is an MSI notebook that trails you by roughly 800 points.

 

3DMark Fire Strike Ranking Results

 

Well how about that eh?

 

Guess I'll try a few other benches

[Papusan]

Win-Raid forum is ready to migrate/move over to Level1Tech. https://www.win-raid.com/t9784f2-Win-Raid-Forum-future-announcement-6.html#msg160831

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

Still, the 12700K in this hybrid-laptop is far behind an mobile Cpu in benchmarks. And Notebookcheck don’t tweak the HW for best performance in their reviews. Then we have the cooling. Could be you don’t have much headroom to let it stretch it’s legs. Maybe undervolting will help but you can probably do that in the Jokebooks with an unlocked BGA chips as well. Same for improvement’s in cooling with etc LM. Yep, for me a flawed product. There is probably a reason they didn’t post benchmarks with 12900K. 

 

I absolutely agree it is throttling as we know the baseline potential of the 12700k. I also just helped a user who was throttling just as much in their X170SM-G with a 10900k to know how under performing it was. It was only achieving ~70% of its optimized performance once we usually get under (and over) the hood and tweak and optimize it properly and that was factory fresh from Eluktronics. Looking at those early X15 screen shots? It is only achieving ~73% of its proper baseline performance.

 

We won't know what is capable till we see actual launch units, notebookcheck get a review unit and more importantly a person or persons on the forums get their hands on one to document the highs and lows.

 

All we know is a hybrid Socket 1700 DTR is on the way that can actually use desktop 12th gen chips is on the way.

 

It is definitely flawed. I have yet to get a laptop that hasn't been flawed in some fashion. Closest to perfection was the Alienware M18x R2 IMHO. That was the pinnacle on all fronts. We've only trended back downward since.

 

 

[electrosoft]

3 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Win-Raid forum is ready to migrate/move over to Level1Tech. https://www.win-raid.com/t9784f2-Win-Raid-Forum-future-announcement-6.html#msg160831

 

That's awesome! I always enjoyed L1T's Youtube content too.

 

 

[Hertzian56]

6 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

Best Buy normally returns anything (except for cameras) but they do have a secret (not really secret anymore) buyer/shopper scoring system. So if you return a lot more than you keep, they stop you stone cold. 

Isn't BB 2 weeks only on most returns though? I never really liked bb anyways, you can just go online and find better deals usually or just lightly used stuff. Last thing I bought there was my old 1060 6gb evga mini itx card for $250 a year or two before the mining craze.

[electrosoft]

6 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

Best Buy normally returns anything (except for cameras) but they do have a secret (not really secret anymore) buyer/shopper scoring system. So if you return a lot more than you keep, they stop you stone cold. 

 

 

I can see this happening. I saw it happen to somebody and Walmart. They kept returning almost everything they would buy month after month till they were flagged by that and surrounding Walmarts unable to return anything.

 

Fast forward 4 years later and they move to a different state. Do the same thing (they called it, "Reverse Shopping Day")  for month after month and yep....banned from returning anything there too.

 

Never did understand returning that high of volume of returns but it was a case of buyers remorse after the shopping high wore off.

 

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

26 minutes ago, Hertzian56 said:

Isn't BB 2 weeks only on most returns though? I never really liked bb anyways, you can just go online and find better deals usually or just lightly used stuff. Last thing I bought there was my old 1060 6gb evga mini itx card for $250 a year or two before the mining craze.

 

 

 

Standard = 15 days

My Best Buy Elite Member = 30

My Best Buy Elite Plus = 45 (This is me)

Total Tech = 60 days

 

 

 

 

[Tenoroon]

Those who have done the pin mod on Clevo machines to get Coffee Lake chips running on Z170/Z270 boards, is the thickness of the tape used to cover the pins important? I have Super 33+, it's not super thick, but its about 2x-3x the thickness of Kapton tape. If the thickness does matter, what other things could I use to isolate the 2 pins?

[electrosoft]

21 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

Those who have done the pin mod on Clevo machines to get Coffee Lake chips running on Z170/Z270 boards, is the thickness of the tape used to cover the pins important? I have Super 33+, it's not super thick, but its about 2x-3x the thickness of Kapton tape. If the thickness does matter, what other things could I use to isolate the 2 pins?

 

That's exactly what I used to cover the pins when I Dsanke'd my P870DM-G to run an 8086k.... works fine. Just make sure they're small enough to not compromise any of the other surrounding pins.

[Talon]

On 4/15/2022 at 5:56 PM, electrosoft said:

Last day to pick up the 12900ks from Best Buy so I did. It was launch day, first sellout batch from BB I ordered and was sitting there since last Fridday

 

(takes deep breath of KS container).... Mmmmm I can smell the SP84 sitting inside 😁

 

I'll pop it in later tonight or tomorrow but my track record with bad bins from Best Buy is pretty epic. Only decent chip I got from them over all these years was that golden 5800x. Every other chip has been pretty mediocre. Including the worst 11900k and 12900k CPUs out of all the chips I tested.

 

 

 

 

LOL looks like my hardware closet right now. I am sitting here with a Corsair 7000D and the LF 420mm AIO in my cart on Amazon. Thinking about pulling the trigger and building it. I'm going to need the cooling when Raptor Lake arrives looking the leaks with more E cores and higher clocks. 

 

I have a feeling you're going to get an SP98. 

[electrosoft]

36 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

LOL looks like my hardware closet right now. I am sitting here with a Corsair 7000D and the LF 420mm AIO in my cart on Amazon. Thinking about pulling the trigger and building it. I'm going to need the cooling when Raptor Lake arrives looking the leaks with more E cores and higher clocks. 

 

I have a feeling you're going to get an SP98. 

 

 

AC LF II 420 is a beast and zero RGB or extra cables/software. Utilitarian in the best way. Does what it says it will do no muss; no fuss. I think @Papusan has one too. It's a great AIO. And yeah, you're going to need a big boy to house it. This Enthroo advertises supporting a 420mm up top but that is clearly one without the extra touch of length of the AC. I had to mount it in the front.

 

I can almost guarantee my streak of bad/worst bins will continue in full force with BB. We have a love/hate relationship apparently. 😭 I did install the newest BIOS which was released a few days ago for the D4 bringing it up to 1403 like the rest of their Z690 boards and it specifically addresses the KS (along with more memory compatibility) so it is primed and ready to spit back that SP84.

[Papusan]

On 4/17/2022 at 1:09 AM, Tenoroon said:

Those who have done the pin mod on Clevo machines to get Coffee Lake chips running on Z170/Z270 boards, is the thickness of the tape used to cover the pins important? I have Super 33+, it's not super thick, but its about 2x-3x the thickness of Kapton tape. If the thickness does matter, what other things could I use to isolate the 2 pins?

I used Kapton tape. And always nice have something lying in the drawer. Useful for many things. Kapton tape is easier to cut down in correct size.

 

 

Can't come so much higher up. I'm in phase change cooler territory with my AIO cooler🙂

https://hwbot.org/submission/4976565_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_760_(256bit)_531489_marks?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4976542_papusan_pifast_core_i9_12900k_10sec_0ms?recalculate=true

 

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

AC LF II 420 is a beast and zero RGB or extra cables/software. Utilitarian in the best way. Does what it says it will do no muss; no fuss. I think @Papusan has one too. It's a great AIO. And yeah, you're going to need a big boy to house it.

Yep, the Ac cooler is ok. But I'll need an Custom cooler for Raptor lake. Remember double up with those small baby cores may push the AIO over the edge😄

[electrosoft]

Well.... I stand corrected. 12900ks better than my SP91 12900k

 

SP94

P = 102

E = 79

 

[electrosoft]

32 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Yep, the Ac cooler is ok. But I'll need an Custom cooler for Raptor lake. Remember double up with those small baby cores may push the AIO over the edge😄

 

I've already committed to my next build or build adjustments being a small custom water loop w/ flexible tubing and QDCs for my CPU at least. We're reaching that point.

 

 

[electrosoft]

46 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I used Kapton tape. And always nice have something lying in the drawer. Useful for many things. Kapton tape is easier to cut down in correct size.

 

 

Can't come so much higher up. I'm in phase change cooler territory with my AIO

https://hwbot.org/submission/4976565_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_760_(256bit)_531489_marks?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4976542_papusan_pifast_core_i9_12900k_10sec_0ms?recalculate=true

 

 

If I had some Kapton on hand I would have used it but I had multiple S33 so that worked fine till I sold it a year later but if given a choice the Kapton.

 

 

[electrosoft]

Doing some auto prelim tests before I crash....

 

SP94 12900ks same P102 core rating as my SP91 12900k but clearly better:

 

Stock G1 4000 (2x8) Pure auto for both (CB23 multi run):

 

SP91:

 

X142K440...G1 4000

PCore / ECore   Pull  Watts   Temp
---------------------------------
5.2   / 3.9       1.332  262w    82
5.3   / 3.9        1.412  317w    96

 

SP94:

 

X205L654...G1 4000 (12900KS)

PCore / ECore   Pull  Watts   Temp
---------------------------------
5.2  / 4.0     1.288  238w     82
5.3  / 4.0     1.314  255w     87

 

For kicks, here was my SP82 12900k:

 

X141K007...G1 4000

PCore / ECore   Pull  Watts   Temp
---------------------------------
5.2   / Stock   1.385  297w    94
5.3   / Stock   1.421  336w    TT

 

SP89 and SP81 wouldn't boot at all to 5.3

 

Definitely feels like 11th gen 11900k days again

where 5.3 testing saw a high of 370w down to a low of 295w.

 

Then again testing 10th gen 10900k's at 5.2 saw a high of 367w+ down

to a low of 261w.

 

All on auto....

 

Intel, extreme variance is thy name.....

 

I'll see where the IMC lands over the next few days for DDR4 G1.

 

SP81 and SP89 topped out at 3867

SP82 did 4000

SP91 did 4133

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Talon]

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Doing some auto prelim tests before I crash....

 

SP94 12900ks same P102 core rating as my SP91 12900k but clearly better:

 

Stock G1 4000 (2x8) Pure auto for both (CB23 multi run):

 

SP91:

 

X142K440...G1 4000

PCore / ECore   Pull  Watts   Temp
---------------------------------
5.2   / 3.9       1.332  262w    82
5.3   / 3.9        1.412  317w    96

 

SP94:

 

X205L654...G1 4000 (12900KS)

PCore / ECore   Pull  Watts   Temp
---------------------------------
5.2  / 4.0     1.288  238w     82
5.3  / 4.0     1.314  255w     87

 

For kicks, here was my SP82 12900k:

 

X141K007...G1 4000

PCore / ECore   Pull  Watts   Temp
---------------------------------
5.2   / Stock   1.385  297w    94
5.3   / Stock   1.421  336w    TT

 

SP89 and SP81 wouldn't boot at all to 5.3

 

Definitely feels like 11th gen 11900k days again

where 5.3 testing saw a high of 370w down to a low of 295w.

 

Then again testing 10th gen 10900k's at 5.2 saw a high of 367w+ down

to a low of 261w.

 

All on auto....

 

Intel, extreme variance is thy name.....

 

I'll see where the IMC lands over the next few days for DDR4 G1.

 

SP81 and SP89 topped out at 3867

SP82 did 4000

SP91 did 4133

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nice! If the DDR4 side improved as bit too you should have an slightly better IMC. 

[johnksss]

11 hours ago, Papusan said:

I used Kapton tape. And always nice have something lying in the drawer. Useful for many things. Kapton tape is easier to cut down in correct size.

 

 

Can't come so much higher up. I'm in phase change cooler territory with my AIO

https://hwbot.org/submission/4976565_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_760_(256bit)_531489_marks?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4976542_papusan_pifast_core_i9_12900k_10sec_0ms?recalculate=true

 

This benchmark is a cpu benchmark so the higher the speed the faster it runs.

[Mr. Fox]

On 4/16/2022 at 9:06 AM, johnksss said:

These are the gpus that finally made it off the ship from being stuck at sea for like over a year. 

And they threw in a few 3090 TI's for good measure.😂

Nice to see some stock available for people that live within driving distance of a MicroCenter. It has been a long time since I saw good inventory counts. Prices are still too high, but after they finish unloading the shipping containers we might see prices come down even further.

11 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Well.... I stand corrected. 12900ks better than my SP91 12900k

 

SP94

P = 102

E = 79

 

Congratulations. It's nice when you can be wrong about something that turns out good.

I have first dibs on it if you decide to sell it. 😄 

[Mr. Fox]

Have a wonderful day, guys. Today is my favorite holiday.

[ryan]

just to show how much of a difference overclocking can make with these 3k gpus on laptops I scored 9200gpu and 9300-9400 overall with an overclock....heres my stock