*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Congrats brother! I have amassed a pile of gear that will be getting listed soon enough.

 

Unlike hardware that comes and goes, that Mo-Ra and chiller are the gift that will always keep on giving for CPUs, GPUs and RAM. Diminishing returns with boost algorithms? Sure, but you will never get the same benchmarks and scores like you expect.

 

Still debating on the 5090. Those low dip stutters being gone from the 5080 kissing off of low 60fps vs 90-100fps on the 5090 are very telling.....

 

I hate the fact I have zero complaints about this Astral 5090 besides the useless pack ins and price lol....

 

its funny in your special case, since ure usually laser focused on WoW. would u consider the 5090 your endgame? or would that only be at 240+ FPS for 1% lows in WoW? 😄 

[electrosoft]

Yeah houston we have a problem with WoW and 5090...

 

5090 with a basic OC (max GPU/MEM sliders in GPU Tweak III from default settings but nothing else) and now the GPU utilization has dropped to 80% (vs 92% before) vs 99% capped with the 4090 and 5080 in my former "Can cap out any GPU" spot of choice.

 

This is with the frequency basically matching my 4090 which had to be pushed to 1.1 and max power and max fans with the 5090 not having to touch any of that (yet).

 

~170fps is all the 9800X3D can give since GPU utilization was already at 92% before a basic OC.

 

So ~135fps on the 4090 99% GPU utilization at  +1500 on memory and max power/volt fans on max +225 max = 3135mhz

 

vs

 

~170 (+/- 3) fps on the 5090 80% GPU utilization at Max GPU Tweak 3 mem/boost sliders (2838/32202) fans on pure auto = 3127mhz

 

Max idle stock default clocks for the Astral = 2955mhz

Max idle stock OC clocks (no power adjustments) for the Astral = 3217mhz

 

Just using GPU Tweak III atm, but will switch to AB for the next level boom boom.

 

5090 is pretty beastly.....

 

 

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Fallout 76 testing is as expected....

 

X3D was already maxed out with the 4090 in 4k Ultra settings so upgrading from a 7800X3D to a 9800X3D shows the performance gain of going from one to another and not really allowing the 5090 to do much of anything since the 7800X3D was already massively tapped out and my 4090 was CPU bound (IE, GPU Util = 70%), so the 5090 just took that to the next level and is sitting at sub 50% util even with clocks dropping down to ~2ghz.....

 

 

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

its funny in your special case, since ure usually laser focused on WoW. would u consider the 5090 your endgame? or would that only be at 240+ FPS for 1% lows in WoW? 😄 

 

My end game has always been ~144fps locked everywhere, but playing at 4k Ultra 10 RT max, that is always a pipe dream. With the new engine enhancements (again) and The War Within Xpac, Blizzard has again pushed the performance bar up for max settings.

 

The lows are what I focus on since 144fps is fairly modest for the highs. WoW is pretty reliable until you get bombarded with player data and the CPU starts to have to focus elsewhere.

 

5090 is pretty near end game for 4k Ultra 10 RT max and unlike the 4090 which could hit 99% util  and almost hit 144fps in pure render spots (IE, no player data) at 135fps, the 5090 now surpasses that pretty handily with room to spare and leaving the 9800X3D gasping for breath even with no player data, so focusing on the lows now becomes the next holy grail.

 

Honestly, 100fps lows everywhere is good enough for smooth gameplay.

 

My initial goal is 100fps+ for 1% lows, 144fps for highs.

 

But like I said before, the jump from the 5080 -> 5090 immediately cleared up that stutter/chunk from hitting close to 60fps in some scenarios and those are the avg so you know the 1% is dipping below that.

 

As I was flying over to test my go to spot, seeing 300fps+ in some spots in Hallowfall (newest Xpac zone) at 4k Ultra 10 RT max was pretty awesome....

 

5090's are pricey AF, but there is no doubt they are monsters.

 

Crazy part? I didn't hear any coil whine while I was basking in those 300fps with my speakers at low (wifey is watching "The Equalizer" in the other room)...

 

 

 

[Papusan]

Not bad with the oldest Win 11 version no one want anymore🙂 Weird Blackwell chip don't recover after a driver crash as older ADA did. So newer has to be better. Always😀

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_port_royal/submissions/5818220?recalculate=true

 

https://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/port+royal+3dmark+score+performance+preset/version+1.0

 

 

https://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/fire+strike+3dmark+score+extreme+preset/version+1.1

 

[electrosoft]

The WoW engine and how it processes player data just can't mesh with 4k Ultra 10 RT and a super powerful GPU. Either the engine needs to be overhauled or we need a much beefier CPU to drop.

 

This is the new out door raid boss, 33 players out of a max of 40 (imagine 40, ugh), full tilt and yeah, GPU Util 22% because of all the FX and data. There is a reason WoW has two different settings between raid/pvp and normal because it just can't really handle the load properly.

 

When fed properly, the 5080, 4090 and 5090 can soar in WoW but the same, classic issues are there and then some.

 

At least with the 5090 it stays in the upper 60's range even at 22% utilization but still.....just bad. 🤣 5090 is being wasted.

 

 

Fallout 76 is in the same boat with the 4090/5090 with any gains coming from the upgrade from the 7800X3D -> 9800X3D because the GPUs are held back by either CPU and both those processors just crush all of Intel's offers badly in FO76.

 

5090 is just too powerful for both WoW and FO76 at full tilt 4k and engine/cpu limitations has it twiddling its thumbs.

 

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I'm going to test this still unopened 9070xt I have sitting on the table. I do remember the 7900xtx being hot garbage in FO76 vs Nvidia. The best pairing by far was the X3D + Nvidia for FO76. Same held true for WoW but I want to see how far they've come. I also want to re-collect some FO76 data for the 5080 too.

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

5090 is just too powerful for both WoW and FO76 at full tilt 4k and engine/cpu limitations has it twiddling its thumbs.

 

Yup, 5090 is a fast card. Global 1th place GPUPI v3.3 1B Hall Of Fame

 

Beating the XOC 😁https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/gpupi_v3.3_-_1b/rankings?cores=1&hardwareType=gpu

 

Me right now @Prema 🤩 +3.5GHz

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/gpupi_v3.3_-_1b/submissions/5818263

[jaybee83]

11 hours ago, electrosoft said:

But like I said before, the jump from the 5080 -> 5090 immediately cleared up that stutter/chunk from hitting close to 60fps in some scenarios and those are the avg so you know the 1% is dipping below that.

 

this is one of the reasons that convinced me to jump onto the 5090 "hype train(wreck)" 😄 its ability to push many games im interested in from the 30-40fps range into 60+ range while maxed out with RT (at worst, with DLSS quality enabled, IDGAF about FG or lower than Qual DLSS).

 

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Yup, 5090 is a fast card. Global 1th place GPUPI v3.3 1B Hall Of Fame

 

Beating the XOC 😁https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/gpupi_v3.3_-_1b/rankings?cores=1&hardwareType=gpu

 

Me right now @Prema 🤩 +3.5GHz

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/gpupi_v3.3_-_1b/submissions/5818263

 

daaaaaaaayum!

[Mr. Fox]

Transformation complete. All self-contained. Gene seems happy with the new work environment.
 

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Yup, 5090 is a fast card. Global 1th place GPUPI v3.3 1B Hall Of Fame

 

Beating the XOC 😁https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/gpupi_v3.3_-_1b/rankings?cores=1&hardwareType=gpu

 

Me right now @Prema 🤩 +3.5GHz

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/gpupi_v3.3_-_1b/submissions/5818263

 

Bringing the pain @Papusan! Nice!

 

6 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

this is one of the reasons that convinced me to jump onto the 5090 "hype train(wreck)" 😄 its ability to push many games im interested in from the 30-40fps range into 60+ range while maxed out with RT (at worst, with DLSS quality enabled, IDGAF about FG or lower than Qual DLSS).

 

 

Agreed, the power resides in the lows. That is where the 5090 is shining in WoW.

 

26 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Transformation complete. All self-contained. Gene seems happy with the new work environment.
 

 

So you're down to two main rigs now? I always liked the whole black/wite/bluish look. Very industrial.

 

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Delidding the 9950x really drops the temps and power draw, damn....

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

50 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

So you're down to two main rigs now? I always liked the whole black/wite/bluish look. Very industrial.

Thank you. That industrial look is my favorite. Yup, down to two rigs, at least until (if) the X870E Apex ships. I don't know if I will keep the B850 board currently powering my work PC, but probably will. It's pretty solid and it was very inexpensive. 

 

The Antec Constellation C8 is an excellent case, but borderline too small. For an AIO (or even dual AIO for CPU and GPU) the C8 is perfect. Custom loops just take up a lot of space. The external cooling loop is so much easier and is case-agnostic.

 

Doing the bottom radiator in push/pull and fitting the distribution manifold was quite a challenge. Nothing is difficult to access, but the volume is limiting. The O11D XL EVO doesn't seem that much larger looking at it, but it is significantly larger in ways that matter. Lian Li was smart to involve @der8auer in the engineering of it. I think going forward that is the only case I am going to purchase. It's not perfect, but very close. Super easy to build a custom loop inside of it without having to cut so many corners to get things to fit.

 

The O11D XL EVO is waiting for its next victim. It was hard forcing myself to sell the Z790 Apex and 14900KS, but I'm sure the new owner will love it as much as I did. Computers are like kids. You have to learn to let them go when they get older. 

[Papusan]

 

Here's yet another failure from a well known PSU manufacturers. The new modern tech trend continue...  Not enough 8 pin connectors. All money go into the 12V-2x6 pin connector. Modern MB will use 3x8 pin connectors nowadays to power the Cpu and the board. Also this one is only useful for newer Nvidia  graphics cards. Forget this one if you have slight older Nvidia graphics cards or newer AMD and Intel graphics cards. 

 

See the final words from the reviewer. Maybe he should find an another job. Yep,he should.

So, in closing, What FSP has done with the Vita GM 1000w ATX 3.1 PS is fantastic. Being compact yet efficient enough to power a complete high-end system with an RTX 5090 is quite an achievement. 

 

FSP Vita GM 1000w 80 PLUS Gold ATX 3.1 PSU Review tweaktown.com

 

 

 

Also Nvidia can't make it right for gamers. Their best engineers work with server chips. Not gamer cards. 

 

 

Multiple GeForce GPU driver issues replicated – Gamers Nexus: “this is the worst launch I’ve ever seen for NVIDIA”

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

6 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Also Nvidia can't make it right for gamers. Their best engineers work with server chips. Not gamer cards. 

The Green Goblin has lost its way. 

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Delidding the 9950x really drops the temps and power draw, damn....

 

 

indeed, looking forward to beheading mine 😄 

[Papusan]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

The Green Goblin has lost its way. 

 

With all the weird issues then you can expect seeing the same as Microsoft offer for their  new OS. New bug fixes will create new problems. And newest will always get the best love. An awful circle that don't stop. 

[tps3443]

20 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

My end game has always been ~144fps locked everywhere, but playing at 4k Ultra 10 RT max, that is always a pipe dream. With the new engine enhancements (again) and The War Within Xpac, Blizzard has again pushed the performance bar up for max settings.

 

The lows are what I focus on since 144fps is fairly modest for the highs. WoW is pretty reliable until you get bombarded with player data and the CPU starts to have to focus elsewhere.

 

5090 is pretty near end game for 4k Ultra 10 RT max and unlike the 4090 which could hit 99% util  and almost hit 144fps in pure render spots (IE, no player data) at 135fps, the 5090 now surpasses that pretty handily with room to spare and leaving the 9800X3D gasping for breath even with no player data, so focusing on the lows now becomes the next holy grail.

 

Honestly, 100fps lows everywhere is good enough for smooth gameplay.

 

My initial goal is 100fps+ for 1% lows, 144fps for highs.

 

But like I said before, the jump from the 5080 -> 5090 immediately cleared up that stutter/chunk from hitting close to 60fps in some scenarios and those are the avg so you know the 1% is dipping below that.

 

As I was flying over to test my go to spot, seeing 300fps+ in some spots in Hallowfall (newest Xpac zone) at 4k Ultra 10 RT max was pretty awesome....

 

5090's are pricey AF, but there is no doubt they are monsters.

 

Crazy part? I didn't hear any coil whine while I was basking in those 300fps with my speakers at low (wifey is watching "The Equalizer" in the other room)...

 

 

 

Looks like 5090 is a lot faster than the 5080 than I originally thought. The 5090 is a beast! Definitely keep your Astral! On average the 5090 is about 50% faster than 5080, and in some scenarios it’s like 65%. Very impressive. The gap is definitely growing. 
 

 

[electrosoft]

22 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

its funny in your special case, since ure usually laser focused on WoW. would u consider the 5090 your endgame? or would that only be at 240+ FPS for 1% lows in WoW? 😄 

 

Revisiting this, the 5090 is end game for WoW for now. It literally lives or dies on the strength of the CPU and even at 4k with as basic of an OC as you can get (GPU Tweak 3 is capped on GPU and Mem sliders vs MSI AB + zero PL/Voltage adjustments in play), hitting 3127mhz and removing all player data at 4k Ultra RT max and I'm sitting at 78-82% utilization.

 

I spent a few hours flying all over the place looking for any spot I could find to put more of a burden on the GPU and basically that spot in Hallowfall is the best spot I could find. I'll keep looking though.

 

So what this means is that without player data hitting the CPU, the 9800X3D can only push the soft OC (aka, something I would run everyday no problem vs bench settings in AB) 5090 to ~80% Utilization on average. Throw in player data, and it is all downhill from there down to moments even hitting 22% with all the FX and player data but just by the nature of the power of the 5090 it still gives overall better fps than the 4090 but only marginally so due to diminishing returns while still overall being wasted because it's just too darn powerful.

 

Now it becomes a race to optimize lows as much as possible and looking at some data, that will be retesting highly tuned 2000/6000 vs 2200/6400 vs 2000/8000 and seeing what produces the best lows.

 

According to HW unboxed testing 6000 vs 8000, while the avg are about the same overall, 8000 appears to have much better lows overall and seeing as what I'm driving now are a set of TG 8200 sticks tuned at 2200/6400......you can see where this is going. 🤣

 

If there was a CPU that could keep up with the 5090, I suspect in WoW, based upon 80% utilization at ~170fps, we would probably see 200+ fps if properly fed = ~50%+ faster than the 4090 considering the 4090 capped out at ~135fps with 99% utilization in the same setting.

 

5090 is a power hungry, expensive absolute monster for WoW....

....FO76 not so much because again X3D was already tapped even with a 4090 but the mild gains from going from the 7800X3D -> 9800X3D are appreciated and it already ran nicely.

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thank you. That industrial look is my favorite. Yup, down to two rigs, at least until (if) the X870E Apex ships. I don't know if I will keep the B850 board currently powering my work PC, but probably will. It's pretty solid and it was very inexpensive. 

 

The Antec Constellation C8 is an excellent case, but borderline too small. For an AIO (or even dual AIO for CPU and GPU) the C8 is perfect. Custom loops just take up a lot of space. The external cooling loop is so much easier and is case-agnostic.

 

Doing the bottom radiator in push/pull and fitting the distribution manifold was quite a challenge. Nothing is difficult to access, but the volume is limiting. The O11D XL EVO doesn't seem that much larger looking at it, but it is significantly larger in ways that matter. Lian Li was smart to involve @der8auer in the engineering of it. I think going forward that is the only case I am going to purchase. It's not perfect, but very close. Super easy to build a custom loop inside of it without having to cut so many corners to get things to fit.

 

The O11D XL EVO is waiting for its next victim. It was hard forcing myself to sell the Z790 Apex and 14900KS, but I'm sure the new owner will love it as much as I did. Computers are like kids. You have to learn to let them go when they get older. 

 

Wait, so 3 cases, 2 (soon three) AMD MBs, but only two 9950x's on hand? Hmmm....

 

Either one MB goes bye bye or another AMD chip will have to join the fold.

 

15 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Looks like 5090 is a lot faster than the 5080 than I originally thought. The 5090 is a beast! Definitely keep your Astral! On average the 5090 is about 50% faster than 5080, and in some scenarios it’s like 65%. Very impressive. The gap is definitely growing. 
 

 

 

While I continue to evaluate it (heh), I am slowly putting into place the pieces to sell off another large swath of hardware to compensate:

 

NH55 3070ti w/ 12900k golden boy + 32GB Kingston + 1TB (on the forums soon and fleabay)

5080 FE (This will go on eBay for ~$1500)

3080 Strix ($500 on eBay or $400 here)

Darkrock Gigabyte build w/ Z690 + 12900k + 32GB 6400 DDR5 + 850w PSU + 1tb SSD (TBD)

2x32GB 6000 DDR5 kit (TBD)

2x24GB 6400 DDR5 kit (TBD)

 

and a few other pieces. I have several 4050/3050 based laptops gathering space.

 

If not, I can't keep both my MSI laptop AND the 5090 and after seeing how X3D and 4090/5090 are made for each other.....

 

After seeing these results:

 

 

 

The only logical upgrade from my MSI Raider 18 w/ 7950HX3D + 4090 is a 9950HX3D + 5090 laptop and that is $5k for marginal gains so no thank you.

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

The Green Goblin has lost its way. 

 

The same can be said for the Red side. 

 

Upgrading To An AMD Radeon RX 9070 For Just $669.99 For A Phenomenal Graphics Upgrade Sounds Like A Distant Dream, But Not If You Are An Amazon Prime Member

 

MSRP is $549. And thats already all too much for such cards. Does people really pay upwards to $950 USD for RX 9070 ?🥴

 

The hate aginst Nvidia is real but this move to AMD is just a plain stupid purchase. RX 9070 should be sub $500. Minimum $50 USD below RTX 5070. And if you count in an extra $50 premium for the better AIB card you shouldn't see much above $550. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Wait, so 3 cases, 2 (soon three) AMD MBs, but only two 9950x's on hand? Hmmm....

 

Either one MB goes bye bye or another AMD chip will have to join the fold.

If I decide to keep the B850 build I may just get a cheap Zen 5 CPU with 6 or 8 cores. I was looking online and these are generally between $150-$250 depending on how weak a CPU a person is willing to accept. I may also just sell one of my 4090's, move the 9070 XT into the C8/Gene build and use that for work, buy a cheap Zen 5 CPU and give it one of my kids with the Strix 1080 installed. The X79 Gene build that I gave to my son-in-law was confiscated by my grand daughters so maybe I will bless him with it.

 

Edit:

I wasn't sure I liked how this turned out, but as I am sitting here looking at it while working, I think I do. It is growing on me. Perhaps my reservation was jaded by the fact that I used PrimoChill LRT tubing instead of the Mayhems (which is what I generally use) and it was a real pain in the butt. It is very hard and takes tremendous force to get the tubing to slip over the compression fitting barb. It is also very stiff and inflexible. I have been using the Mayhems for a very long time and it is much softer and more flexible. Wile the LRT tubing is exceptionally clear and it looks good, I don't think I am going to buy that again. It made building it take longer and required extra effort because of how unweildy the LRT tubing is.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Mr. Fox
added more

[tps3443]

49 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

If I decide to keep the B850 build I may just get a cheap Zen 5 CPU with 6 or 8 cores. I was looking online and these are generally between $150-$250 depending on how weak a CPU a person is willing to accept. I may also just sell one of my 4090's, move the 9070 XT into the C8/Gene build and use that for work, buy a cheap Zen 5 CPU and give it one of my kids with the Strix 1080 installed. The X79 Gene build that I gave to my son-in-law was confiscated by my grand daughters so maybe I will bless him with it.

 

Edit:

I wasn't sure I liked how this turned out, but as I am sitting here looking at it while working, I think I do. It is growing on me. Perhaps my reservation was jaded by the fact that I used PrimoChill LRT tubing instead of the Mayhems (which is what I generally use) and it was a real pain in the butt. It is very hard and takes tremendous force to get the tubing to slip over the compression fitting barb. It is also very stiff and inflexible. I have been using the Mayhems for a very long time and it is much softer and more flexible. Wile the LRT tubing is exceptionally clear and it looks good, I don't think I am going to buy that again. It made building it take longer and required extra effort because of how unweildy the LRT tubing is.

 

I love new clear soft tubing! Especially when it’s fresh cut and just installed. It looks fantastic. 

 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Revisiting this, the 5090 is end game for WoW for now. It literally lives or dies on the strength of the CPU and even at 4k with as basic of an OC as you can get (GPU Tweak 3 is capped on GPU and Mem sliders vs MSI AB + zero PL/Voltage adjustments in play), hitting 3127mhz and removing all player data at 4k Ultra RT max and I'm sitting at 78-82% utilization.

 

I spent a few hours flying all over the place looking for any spot I could find to put more of a burden on the GPU and basically that spot in Hallowfall is the best spot I could find. I'll keep looking though.

 

So what this means is that without player data hitting the CPU, the 9800X3D can only push the soft OC (aka, something I would run everyday no problem vs bench settings in AB) 5090 to ~80% Utilization on average. Throw in player data, and it is all downhill from there down to moments even hitting 22% with all the FX and player data but just by the nature of the power of the 5090 it still gives overall better fps than the 4090 but only marginally so due to diminishing returns while still overall being wasted because it's just too darn powerful.

 

Now it becomes a race to optimize lows as much as possible and looking at some data, that will be retesting highly tuned 2000/6000 vs 2200/6400 vs 2000/8000 and seeing what produces the best lows.

 

According to HW unboxed testing 6000 vs 8000, while the avg are about the same overall, 8000 appears to have much better lows overall and seeing as what I'm driving now are a set of TG 8200 sticks tuned at 2200/6400......you can see where this is going. 🤣

 

If there was a CPU that could keep up with the 5090, I suspect in WoW, based upon 80% utilization at ~170fps, we would probably see 200+ fps if properly fed = ~50%+ faster than the 4090 considering the 4090 capped out at ~135fps with 99% utilization in the same setting.

 

5090 is a power hungry, expensive absolute monster for WoW....

....FO76 not so much because again X3D was already tapped even with a 4090 but the mild gains from going from the 7800X3D -> 9800X3D are appreciated and it already ran nicely.

 

 

Wait, so 3 cases, 2 (soon three) AMD MBs, but only two 9950x's on hand? Hmmm....

 

Either one MB goes bye bye or another AMD chip will have to join the fold.

 

 

While I continue to evaluate it (heh), I am slowly putting into place the pieces to sell off another large swath of hardware to compensate:

 

NH55 3070ti w/ 12900k golden boy + 32GB Kingston + 1TB (on the forums soon and fleabay)

5080 FE (This will go on eBay for ~$1500)

3080 Strix ($500 on eBay or $400 here)

Darkrock Gigabyte build w/ Z690 + 12900k + 32GB 6400 DDR5 + 850w PSU + 1tb SSD (TBD)

2x32GB 6000 DDR5 kit (TBD)

2x24GB 6400 DDR5 kit (TBD)

 

and a few other pieces. I have several 4050/3050 based laptops gathering space.

 

If not, I can't keep both my MSI laptop AND the 5090 and after seeing how X3D and 4090/5090 are made for each other.....

 

After seeing these results:

 

 

 

The only logical upgrade from my MSI Raider 18 w/ 7950HX3D + 4090 is a 9950HX3D + 5090 laptop and that is $5k for marginal gains so no thank you.

 

 

 

My 14900HX/4090 gets the job done decent enough. I can’t see replacing it. I use my laptop about 2 whole days per week. I think it’s gonna be some years before we see real improvements here. 
 

I figured you’d keep the 5090. Mines running pretty good as well. I leave it at 2760@0.900mv with +3,000 on the memory. It runs about 73c core/82c memory and 44% fan speed is the highest I’ve seen in a closed case. I’m so happy with it though. It’s nice and quiet! 
 

My chiller is idle in the corner now since I stopped using it, and my office is completely silent! My home power bill has dropped about $120 per month by the way just from unplugging the chiller. I had no idea the chiller used this much power, but I’m now thinking I was off on my prior estimates of power usage lol. Chillers are expensive to run 24/7/365. It definitely cost $ to maintain a constant 15c water year round. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

The same can be said for the Red side. 

 

Upgrading To An AMD Radeon RX 9070 For Just $669.99 For A Phenomenal Graphics Upgrade Sounds Like A Distant Dream, But Not If You Are An Amazon Prime Member

 

MSRP is $549. And thats already all too much for such cards. Does people really pay upwards to $950 USD for RX 9070 ?🥴

 

The hate aginst Nvidia is real but this move to AMD is just a plain stupid purchase. RX 9070 should be sub $500. Minimum $50 USD below RTX 5070. And if you count in an extra $50 premium for the better AIB card you shouldn't see much above $550. 

And, 5090 should be $2000 or less for standard AIB and $1500-$1800 for FE, and $2200-$2400 for the top tier enthusiast GPUs. But it's not. It's more grossly overpriced and a poorer value than anything else. It further compounds the problem that performance doesn't scale in measure equal to or greater than the price gap compared to anything else.

 

I think the difference here is the price for NVIDIA's best GPU is truly stupifying and requires a disconnect from logic. AMD's best, while not nearly as good, is as good as it needs to be for most people, and it doesn't require checking your brain at the door or dumping as much money as a month's take-home wages for many of the people that would buy it, or do buy it (but shouldn't) using credit and end up paying an even more ungodly sum with interest tacked onto their purchase. Most people can find a way to purchase a 9070 XT without sacrificing the soul of their firstborn, selling internal organs or having to be checked for STDs afterward.

 

Everything is overpriced, a poor value, and nothing is actually worth the sticker price. Price gouging and scalping just adds insult to injury. The hate against NVIDIA is not only real, but earned and deserved. AMD is just being scummy and opportunistically doing what NVIDIA's actions allow them to get away with. NVIDIA calls all of the shots for everyone, but doesn't care about anyone that their actions affect. It seems like lately NVIDIA doesn't even care about their own reputation, the quality of their overpriced products, or the quality of their product support.