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1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

yep saw that drop during benching yesterday, changelog included a  frigging TON of bugfixes specifically for 50 series. will update asap 🙂

 

some more 5090 Suprim insights:

- highest core temp ive seen thus far was 68C in Alan Wake 2 pathtracing maxed out in 4K without DLSS/FG. card still super quite, insane

- vRAM OC at +3000 for 34Gbps confirmed stable via GPU Memtest for 1hour. max VRam temp. 64C during stress test.

- currently checking for core OC, happy to report that EVGA PX1 does not have any troubles applying +100 on the voltage slider. with AB lots of reports that the card would drop to base clocks and show funky behaviour. havent seen this with PX1, so all good.

- +300 core oc looks stable thus far, but not quite done with stability testing yet, about halfway through. initial quick n dirty core oc only locked up the card once i reached +500 😄 should be interesting haha

- need to do some more extensive voltage monitoring to determine typical range for my particular sample. initial impressions in alan wake 2 yesterday showed anywhere between 1.00 and 1.25V (voltage slide maxed, power pegged at 600W+). but ofc that depends on the application tested.

 

will keep u guys posted 🙂 

I have always preferred PX1. Much better for GPU overclocking than Afterburner. Also give ASUS GPU Tweak III a try. The GUI is goofy (A$$zeus is frequently tacky with their aesthetics) but it usually works well for me when Afterburner missed the mark. There is an option in settings to enhance overclock limits.

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19 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I have always preferred PX1. Much better for GPU overclocking than Afterburner. Also give ASUS GPU Tweak III a try. The GUI is goofy (A$$zeus is frequently tacky with their aesthetics) but it usually works well for me when Afterburner missed the mark. There is an option in settings to enhance overclock limits.

you were actually the one pointing me towards PX1 in the first place 😄 yeah i had tried Asus Tweak before and exactly that tacky UI scared me away 😛 but ill give it another whirl if there is any enhanced OC functionality.

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RTX 4090 returned to eBay seller with GPU and VRAM chips missing
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59 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

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RTX 4090 returned to eBay seller with GPU and VRAM chips missing

 

LOL great timing with me planning to put up my 4090 tomorrow 😄 

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10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I prefer QHD+ displays. That was one of my major gripes about this year because of the weakness of the mobile GPUs. I actually prefer QHD+ on 17.3+ and 1080p on 15.6" and smaller. I wish MSI had went with a QHD+ OLED or MiniLED on the Raider.

 

Acer is sending me a 275hx equipped 5070ti laptop to check out, so I'll be able to not only get some hands on with it but more importantly compare it to the NH55 w/ the 12900k and 3070ti to see how much it has improved over a few generations.

 

A proper 285k desktop with the 5090 is intriguing me more and more each day. I know @Talon basically has nothing but good things to say about it for gaming after being properly tuned. If it can achieve more stable frame rates and doesn't tank as hard that trumps those highs IMHO.

 

One thing I will give the 12th-14th gen for WoW is an overall smooth and consistent game play especially if the memory is tuned. 

 

Since it is only a 5070ti, I won't get the same punch at QHD as you with the 5090 unfortunately. 😞

 

The pros of the Clevos and Tongfangs of the world is the ho hum aesthetics and lack of flaire but better pricing packing state of the art hardware and I've always liked that.

 

If I DO give a 285k a whirl and want to go at it with a 5090 and keep the 9800X3D setup, I will need to sell off the NH55, at least one Vivobook Ultra 7 + 3050 OLED, Acer AMD + 4050 laptop and most likely the 5080 FE but I really want to keep it AND the 5090. 🙂

 

 

 

Awesome being sampled a laptop! 

 

As long as you can tune the D2D/NGU/Cache in the BIOS, you should in theory be able to get it's gaming and overall performance improved. 275HX has same D2D/NGU clocks as the desktop chip given it's a desktop chip in a laptop. 275HX should be very power efficient for the given performance. 

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2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

LOL great timing with me planning to put up my 4090 tomorrow 😄 

Don't sell it on eButt. Sell it at overclock.net and pay nothing in fees to them and without risk of getting scammed.

 

Fun fact. The 4090 that I sold has already been re-sold for $500 more. I sold it for $1500 (what I paid for it new) and Mr. Nguyen from overclock.net sold it immediately (same day he got it) for $2000. Check it out. If I ever see him complaining about scalpers, I am going to call him out as one, LOL. That's pretty scummy, IMHO. I wonder if the person that bought it knows how that played out.

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29456490/

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8 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

yep saw that drop during benching yesterday, changelog included a  frigging TON of bugfixes specifically for 50 series. will update asap 🙂

 

some more 5090 Suprim insights:

- highest core temp ive seen thus far was 68C in Alan Wake 2 pathtracing maxed out in 4K without DLSS/FG. card still super quite, insane

- vRAM OC at +3000 for 34Gbps confirmed stable via GPU Memtest for 1hour. max VRam temp. 64C during stress test.

- currently checking for core OC, happy to report that EVGA PX1 does not have any troubles applying +100 on the voltage slider. with AB lots of reports that the card would drop to base clocks and show funky behaviour. havent seen this with PX1, so all good.

- +300 core oc looks stable thus far, but not quite done with stability testing yet, about halfway through. initial quick n dirty core oc only locked up the card once i reached +500 😄 should be interesting haha

- need to do some more extensive voltage monitoring to determine typical range for my particular sample. initial impressions in alan wake 2 yesterday showed anywhere between 1.00 and 1.25V (voltage slide maxed, power pegged at 600W+). but ofc that depends on the application tested.

 

will keep u guys posted 🙂 

 

Definitely going to have to give PX1 a try. I have found AB and the 5090 buggy even now especially in WoW. With the 572 drivers and newest beta AB, it still suffers from the same glitches as I found before here with the 5080 and WoW a few months ago with Rivatuner and some problems trying to push sliders or clocks dropping or getting locked. It's just being more problematic than it has ever been before with the 5000 series.

 

Don't mind my voice. I was in the throes of Covid....

 

That is why my most recent results are from GPU Tweak III, but I'll definitely give PX1 a try again especially if full memory sliders work on launch. I also like GPU Tweak III obviously because of the added Astral functionality.

 

I haven't even tested my GPU range yet lol (5080 FE still in the system atm but switching back to the Astral today). I just pushed the sliders to their max on GPU Tweak III on default settings (No OC settings) and left the PL and voltage alone for some initial Q&D testing. Did you adjust PL/Voltage levels or doing initial testing stock?

 

 

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I have always preferred PX1. Much better for GPU overclocking than Afterburner. Also give ASUS GPU Tweak III a try. The GUI is goofy (A$$zeus is frequently tacky with their aesthetics) but it usually works well for me when Afterburner missed the mark. There is an option in settings to enhance overclock limits.

 

Another pro for GT3 is Asus also makes 9000 series Radeon cards so you get full support there too if you don't want to use AMD's tools.

 

3 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Awesome being sampled a laptop! 

 

As long as you can tune the D2D/NGU/Cache in the BIOS, you should in theory be able to get it's gaming and overall performance improved. 275HX has same D2D/NGU clocks as the desktop chip given it's a desktop chip in a laptop. 275HX should be very power efficient for the given performance. 

 

Yeah, they've sampled me I think about 5 laptops so far over the past 6 years.  First 4 were good after testing and tear down. Last one was not good on many levels and I let them know in detail why. I think overall, Acer is coming on strong wanting to be a known and respected gaming brand.

 

Based on previous variants I've tested/disassembled, I'm not expecting much BIOS control, but I could be surprised! 🙂

 

 

55 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Don't sell it on eButt. Sell it at overclock.net and pay nothing in fees to them and without risk of getting scammed.

 

Fun fact. The 4090 that I sold has already been re-sold for $500 more. I sold it for $1500 (what I paid for it new) and Mr. Nguyen from overclock.net sold it immediately (same day he got it) for $2000. Check it out. If I ever see him complaining about scalpers, I am going to call him out as one, LOL. That's pretty scummy, IMHO. I wonder if the person that bought it knows how that played out.

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29456490/

 

 

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With eBay, I make sure to document the GPU before (Timespy run, plenty of pics with my name in it), during (I make sure to note in my listing the buyer will receive a picture of his just purchased GPU with his invoice in the picture along with a follow up QA Timespy run with the score and his invoice/eBay purchase on the same screen and while it is running I record the entire run and can provide a copy of that) and after (I take several pictures of the boxing up of their GPU at each stage with their eBay invoice in each picture) and a final picture of their package so they know what to expect). I also make sure to put in the post all items are shipped via USPS (strictest mail fraud laws) insured and adult signature required.

 

Buyers have left me only positive feedback and love being kept in the loop for what can be a pricey purchase. It also has established a long selling record for pricey items with a documented chain of events just in case someone wants to try some shenanigans....

 

I've been selling on eBay for 28 years now. A few hiccups? Absolutely, but overall it will net you top dollar for your items considering they go for ~$2400USD on eBay = $~2100-$2200 after ebay fees (You should obviously set up an eBay store for the discounts even if for one month, as the discounts will cover the store fee AND put an extra $50-75 in your pocket).

 

If you list your GPU on the forums for $2100, you will get the normal "ZOMG!! OVERPRICED BRO!!" brigade chiming in who can't or won't understand current market conditions.

 

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I just went, "that is crazy" when I read it earlier over on the forums. I have zero problems with people reselling their items and getting top dollar for them (call it scalping if you want), but buying specifically for reselling especially among the hardware community? For someone who is a firm proponent of "let the market ride as is," that just sits wrong with me a bit.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I just went, "that is crazy" when I read it earlier over on the forums. I have zero problems with people reselling their items and getting top dollar for them (call it scalping if you want), but buying specifically for reselling especially among the hardware community? For someone who is a firm proponent of "let the market ride as is," that just sits wrong with me a bit.

Exactly... very similar thoughts here... https://www.overclock.net/posts/29456680/

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Well, technically it is none of our business what people do with things we sell them after the sale. But still, it's definitely part of the intent buying and selling here that you are helping a fellow enthusiast acquire things they want that are either hard to find or absurdly overpriced out in the wild. I'd be lying if I did not admit that part of it is you don't have silly eBay fees and predatory and nefarious double-taxation of products that taxes were already paid when purchased new, but it is absolutely true that when I sell items here it is with the hope that it will be a blessing to someone that would otherwise not be able to buy it due to availability or financially adverse reasons.

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Some prefer better custom design over performance. Or maybe they think more vram will provide  more performance? Is more always more?🤔

 

Some RTX 5060 Tis sell for more than RTX 5070s!

 

As for the RTX 5060 Ti, the cards were launched yesterday afternoon. However, as is often the case, things are going in all directions on the premium card side . Indeed, some references sell for more than the  higher-class GPU . Yes, you read that right, RTX 5060 Tis sell for more than some RTX 5070s!

 

Does smaller PCB reduce the costs? And will chopped of pcie fingers save the card from bending and cracking the PCB? Me thinking this cute card need to be bending proof😂

 

You need to be quite clumsy if you are able to crack this Gigabyte board. Does this Gpu need support bracket? 🤐

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https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/65938-geforce-rtx-5060-ti-mit-16-gb-im-test.html

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Some prefer better custom design over performance. Or maybe they think more vram will provide  more performance? Is more always more?🤔

 

Some RTX 5060 Tis sell for more than RTX 5070s!

 

As for the RTX 5060 Ti, the cards were launched yesterday afternoon. However, as is often the case, things are going in all directions on the premium card side . Indeed, some references sell for more than the  higher-class GPU . Yes, you read that right, RTX 5060 Tis sell for more than some RTX 5070s!

Stupidity is always with us, and in surplus quantities.

 

Maybe we can sell them a link to download more VRAM.

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3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Don't sell it on eButt. Sell it at overclock.net and pay nothing in fees to them and without risk of getting scammed.

 

Fun fact. The 4090 that I sold has already been re-sold for $500 more. I sold it for $1500 (what I paid for it new) and Mr. Nguyen from overclock.net sold it immediately (same day he got it) for $2000. Check it out. If I ever see him complaining about scalpers, I am going to call him out as one, LOL. That's pretty scummy, IMHO. I wonder if the person that bought it knows how that played out.

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29456490/


No worries, I called him out for you. Than Nguyen has done some shady stuff in the past man with the items he sells.
 

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1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Stupidity is always with us, and in surplus quantities.

 

LOL. Everything has it's price. But you don't pay for your own stupidity. You got it for free🙂

 

Gigascam at +$850. Btw. Zero 5060Ti  cards for sale here home. But not listed with prices as this disaster. Tragic.

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GeForce RTX 5060 Ti Listings Flood Ebay, Prices Will Make You Laugh Or Cry

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Finally received the radiators and fans for the O11D XL EVO. Still waiting for the tubing and should have it tomorrow. 

 

Besides high GPU prices I am finding it harder to get some things fast from Amazon and NewEgg because nothing is in stock and I have to piece together parts from various sources. The large 13/19mm tubing I prefer to use is harder to source than it used to be. I guess the kiddos like the skinnier tubing because it looks nice. EPDM was even considered as an option, but the 13/19 size was sold out everywhere with no ETA on new stocck.

 

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5070FE/ 5080FE/ 5090FE or a $1,500 dollar 4090 are the real value cards right now. 


 

$500 (It games) 

$1,000 (It games really well) 

$1,500 (one notch below beast mode)
$2,000 (Beast mode) 

 

This whole 5060/5060Ti mess is a nightmare.  Just like the AIB 5070Ti cards, and AIB 5080/5090 cards. Ridiculous pricing. 

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2 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

5070FE/ 5080FE/ 5090FE or a $1,500 dollar 4090 are the real value cards right now. 


 

$500 (It games) 

$1,000 (It games really well) 

$1,500 (one notch below beast mode)
$2,000 (Beast mode) 

 

This whole 5060/5060Ti mess is a nightmare.  Just like the AIB 5070Ti cards, and AIB 5080/5090 cards. Ridiculous pricing. 

I received product availability emails today from MSI for severely overpriced 5080 GPUs. No thanks. 

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7 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

5070FE/ 5080FE/ 5090FE or a $1,500 dollar 4090 are the real value cards right now. 


 

$500 (It games) 

$1,000 (It games really well) 

$1,500 (one notch below beast mode)
$2,000 (Beast mode) 

 

This whole 5060/5060Ti mess is a nightmare.  Just like the AIB 5070Ti cards, and AIB 5080/5090 cards. Ridiculous pricing. 

 

When you convince yourself a $2k consumer game/fun GPU is value.... 🤣

 

I prefer the term, "the least rip off" 🤑

 

or

 

"the lesser evil"

 

Take your pick. 🙂

 

 

It reminds me when car shopping. After a certain price point, it all blurs because NOTHING is a good deal and it becomes just getting what you want.

 

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I received product availability emails today from MSI for severely overpriced 5080 GPUs. No thanks. 

 

What's more insulting? The prices or they are 5080s? 🤔

 

 

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18 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

When you convince yourself a $2k consumer game/fun GPU is value.... 🤣

 

I prefer the term, "the least rip off" 🤑

 

or

 

"the lesser evil"

 

Take your pick. 🙂

 

 

It reminds me when car shopping. After a certain price point, it all blurs because NOTHING is a good deal and it becomes just getting what you want.

 

 

What's more insulting? The prices or they are 5080s? 🤔

 

 


 

Well, when we compare $2,000 vs $3,500 or $1,000 vs $1,650 that’s not like a lesser evil. That’s like not having an extra hole put in your ass. 🤣 

 

 

I’d rather overpay for a 5090 than overpay for a 5080 all day. I think we all agree with this. 

 

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I received product availability emails today from MSI for severely overpriced 5080 GPUs. No thanks. 

 

Maybe you should jump on it😁 Because you never know where the tariff will lands. All depends on how good Nvidia's Ceo Jensen is in the corruption game. You need good friends to make big money as you know.

 

Those with enough money pay to play whatever the tariff will lands. Paying 245% above MSRP isn't a problem if you have the money. But it will become more expensive to be poor. Even for the average taxpayers. 

 

US government confirms 245% tariff on select Chinese imports


The United States and China are engaging in a tit-for-tat trade war, and currently, Chinese goods are facing a 145% additional fee when they enter the US, but the White House just confirmed that's not the total, as the tariff can reach up to 245%

 

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I’d rather overpay for a 5090 than overpay for a 5080 all day. I think we all agree with this. 

 

How much are you willing to overpay for the 5090? 

 

And gamers on the green side should be happy their expencive graphics cards works at all...

 

Amazing the reviewers didn't see more problems with 5000 series than what they already experienced.

 

NVIDIA releases massive GPU driver update addressing stability and black screen issues

 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 5060 Ti 16GB Review

The GeForce brand has eroded over these past generations to the point where we're now dealing with broken ray tracing promises for the masses, fake frames, and even faker MSRPs. It might sound harsh, but it's the reality: the GeForce 50 series has been one of the worst GPU generations we can remember. Can it be worse? Yup. 

 

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What's more insulting? The prices or they are 5080s? 🤔

Price. I would buy a 5080 if it were a good value like the 9070 XT. It doesn't need to be the best if it is good and the price is in scope with the performance. It should be priced between $750 to $1000 for non-FE cards. They're about twice what I would be willing to spend on one.

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Deus Ex Mankind divided bone stock GPU benchmark runs.

Seriously, the 9070xt? SMH

 

9800X3D @ 5450

2x24GB tuned 2200/6400

W11 24H2 normal bloated D2D OS no tweaks

Gigabyte Gaming OC 9070xt

Nvidia 5080 FE

Asus Astral 5090

Nvidia Drivers 576.02

AMD Adrenalin 25.3.2

 

4k everything on ultra/max settings.

 

5090 is ~58% faster than the 5080 FE in this test which is pretty massive overall.

 

9070xt is performing absolutely abysmal in this test to the point I don't know if it is a driver issue or not.

 

@Mr. Fox could you run this on your 9070xt  completely stock to let me know if my results are suspect and maybe needs investigating along with your 4090 completely stock for comparison. I can't find my 4090/3090 Dx:MD results. If your results are much higher, I will need to set up another test volume for the 9070xt. I know the 9070xt on WoW is right where I expected it to be compared to the results on three different 7900xtx cards across three different CPUs and two different platforms and the 9070xt is actually scoring slightly higher than many stock 9070xt's in Timespy but again you never know.

 

Gigabyte Gaming OC 9070XT (Adrenalin 25.3.2):

 

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And Nvidia continue with buggy broken drivers. Confirmed by nvidia themself. 

 

Weird that a pure software company does worse with it's drivers vs when Nvidia was a real hardware manufacturer. Maybe because they rely more on AI software to tweak their drivers? New is always better, LOL

 

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Price. I would buy a 5080 if it were a good value like the 9070 XT. It doesn't need to be the best if it is good and the price is in scope with the performance. It should be priced between $750 to $1000 for non-FE cards. They're about twice what I would be willing to spend on one.


 

 I think realworld the RTX 5080 for the FE price of $1,000 it is reasonable, it’s a lot cheaper than a 4090 after all. You can OC them and yield some good numbers from them as well. The OC headroom is gonna make that thing a crusher in games. I think the nvidia features are good. DLSS+FG are really good tools, that boost performance even further.

 

I think on paper the 9070XT seems great. But real world, when we turn on DLSS/RT/Frame Gen etc. The 5080 is going to do abnormally well. 
 

Also, I lapped the IHS of my Xeon 3175x last night lol. Stayed up until 3:30am working on it. Hard tube really ain’t all that bad. I can pull the block pretty quick. I had to clean the cold plate. It was clogged from previous owner. Reassembled, full loop passed leak test on first try. I dropped 10c CPU temps. And picked up 50L/H in flow rate. 

 

 

@electrosoft and @Clamibot the Coolermaster CryoFuze Thermalpaste is literally Thermalright TFX. Kinda tough to spread, but insanely good temp results. I’m not sure how well this will work on direct die situations. But it’ll peel up on you if you’re spreading and don’t apply enough pressure on the spatula when spreading. For the money, the stuff works VERY well. Once you spread it, you’ll be like YUP that’s Thermalright TFX but it’s really not too bad to spread. The performance results are definitely worth it! 

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 I think realworld the RTX 5080 for the FE price of $1,000 it is reasonable, it’s a lot cheaper than a 4090 after all. You can OC them and yield some good numbers from them as well. The OC headroom is gonna make that thing a crusher in games. I think the nvidia features are good. DLSS+FG are really good tools, that boost performance even further.

 

I think on paper the 9070XT seems great. But real world, when we turn on DLSS/RT/Frame Gen etc. The 5080 is going to do abnormally well. 
 

Also, I lapped the IHS of my Xeon 3175x last night lol. Stayed up until 3:30am working on it. Hard tube really ain’t all that bad. I can pull the block pretty quick. I had to clean the cold plate. It was clogged from previous owner. Reassembled, full loop passed leak test on first try. I dropped 10c CPU temps. And picked up 50L/H in flow rate. 

 

 

@electrosoft and @Clamibot the Coolermaster Thermalpaste is just like Thermalright TFX. Kinda tough to spread, but insanely good temp results. I’m not sure how well this will work on direct die situations. But it’ll peel up on you if you’re spreading and don’t apply enough pressure on the spatula when spreading. For the money, the stuff works well. 

 

I think $999.99 for the 5080 FE is more than reasonable for a few reasons:

 

More performance than 4080 Super

More features than the 4080 Super

Same price even with inflation

 

In the Nvidia stack, like I keep saying, you're either getting better performance/features, better pricing or both with Nvidia this time around across their entire stack except the 5090 which got hit with a 25% increase in price. It should have been $1699.99 MSRP but it is what it is.

 

Personally, the sweet spot this time around is the 5070ti super @msrp. Cheaper ($750 vs $800) and with an actual noticeable performance boost vs the 5070 vs 4070 Super.

 

Best price:performance @msrp is clearly the 9070xt.

 

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I was going to test it on the desktop I was building out on the Z690 but the 12900k died on me so now it is in a holding pattern atm. I have the vial in my thermal paste jar ready for testing though.

 

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I think $999.99 for the 5080 FE is more than reasonable for a few reasons:

 

More performance than 4080 Super

More features than the 4080 Super

Same price even with inflation

 

In the Nvidia stack, like I keep saying, you're either getting better performance/features, better pricing or both with Nvidia this time around across their entire stack except the 5090 which got hit with a 25% increase in price. It should have been $1699.99 MSRP but it is what it is.

 

Personally, the sweet spot this time around is the 5070ti super @msrp. Cheaper ($750 vs $800) and with an actual noticeable performance boost vs the 5070 vs 4070 Super.

 

Best price:performance @msrp is clearly the 9070xt.

 

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I was going to test it on the desktop I was building out on the Z690 but the 12900k died on me so now it is in a holding pattern atm. I have the vial in my thermal paste jar ready for testing though.

 

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Swapped the Astral back in for ~13 more days of eval on keeping it. Rerouted the wires from the top like I used to keep it with my MSI 4090 Suprim Liquid and replaced the white sag bracket with a black one I had. That white one was nails on a chalkboard.

 

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Time to put the fans back in and put doors on 😂. I’d be tempted to run that Astral in a vertical position as well. Also, time for custom loop as well. You one need (1) HWlab GTX, and fans on one side. You can make it very quiet. I run mine super quiet.  But I see why you don’t run a loop. With 9800X3D/9950X3D it seems like we can get peak performance with a fanless rock resting on it lol. 

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If Nvidia run into problems serving China with real AI server chips... What is better than sell 5090(D) chips and vram for workstations/mini AI accelerators for the China market? This will also benefits Nvidia's partners to keep up highest possible ASP for 5090 Geforce gamer cards. 

 

Blower-style RTX 5090D leaked on Bilibili — two-slot GPU design built for AI rigs

The Chinese market will likely be looking forward to the appearance of the blower-style 5090D. This would allow smaller firms to gain access to relatively capable hardware without dropping huge amounts on the most advanced GPUs they can get from the black market, or the China-specific Nvidia H20 and AMD MI308 GPUs, which were recently cut off by the U.S. government.

 

Nvidia vows to continue making products for Chinese market

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