*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Time to put the fans back in and put doors on 😂. I’d be tempted to run that Astral in a vertical position as well. Also, time for custom loop as well. You one need (1) HWlab GTX, and fans on one side. You can make it very quiet. I run mine super quiet.  But I see why you don’t run a loop. With 9800X3D/9950X3D it seems like we can get peak performance with a fanless rock resting on it lol. 

 

The quietest fans I've ever run are still these P14 140mm Arctics. Even their newest 120mm fans I tried still have a slight whine to them. The bottom fans aren't connected as the bottom only supports 120mm fans. I just haven't taken them back out yet.

 

I still have the D5 pump and array of QDCs in the box in the closet. Plenty of places to get dirt cheap soft tubing. I do have a 360mm rad sent to me for free, but I don't want to use 360mm rads only 280/420 and quiet P14's of which I have like 10 of them already.

 

Depending on your sample and how you push it, you can get a 9800X3D pretty toasty to the point air won't work and a AIO can be pushed even with a static OC pushing 5.6ghz+.

 

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Snagged a 5070 FE from BB today to replace my wife's 3080 Strix. I was originally going to potentially move the 9070xt into her system but the performance just wasn't there for WoW especially with RT enabled and WoW is all she plays so everything is centered around her 32" 1440p 165hz display.

 

I may put the 3080 in a system of spare parts I've been building out for my daughter since she's still on the fence now about her reclaimed "man cave" from her ex fiance about whether she wants a dedicated PC or just use her laptop with the 27" 2025 Nitro 1080p 200hz display. I was going to use this spare delidded 12900k that ran for a few years in the wife's system but while testing it out it up and died on me running Y cruncher

 

I do need to source at least a 12th-14th gen CPU for this extra system I'm building out. If someone has a decent (I5 or above) 12th-14th gen chip laying around, inbox me with price.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

On 4/17/2025 at 8:07 PM, electrosoft said:

Definitely going to have to give PX1 a try. I have found AB and the 5090 buggy even now especially in WoW. With the 572 drivers and newest beta AB, it still suffers from the same glitches as I found before here with the 5080 and WoW a few months ago with Rivatuner and some problems trying to push sliders or clocks dropping or getting locked. It's just being more problematic than it has ever been before with the 5000 series.

 

Don't mind my voice. I was in the throes of Covid....

 

That is why my most recent results are from GPU Tweak III, but I'll definitely give PX1 a try again especially if full memory sliders work on launch. I also like GPU Tweak III obviously because of the added Astral functionality.

 

I haven't even tested my GPU range yet lol (5080 FE still in the system atm but switching back to the Astral today). I just pushed the sliders to their max on GPU Tweak III on default settings (No OC settings) and left the PL and voltage alone for some initial Q&D testing. Did you adjust PL/Voltage levels or doing initial testing stock?

 

Another pro for GT3 is Asus also makes 9000 series Radeon cards so you get full support there too if you don't want to use AMD's tools.

 

Yeah, they've sampled me I think about 5 laptops so far over the past 6 years.  First 4 were good after testing and tear down. Last one was not good on many levels and I let them know in detail why. I think overall, Acer is coming on strong wanting to be a known and respected gaming brand.

 

Based on previous variants I've tested/disassembled, I'm not expecting much BIOS control, but I could be surprised! 🙂

 

@jaybee83

 

With eBay, I make sure to document the GPU before (Timespy run, plenty of pics with my name in it), during (I make sure to note in my listing the buyer will receive a picture of his just purchased GPU with his invoice in the picture along with a follow up QA Timespy run with the score and his invoice/eBay purchase on the same screen and while it is running I record the entire run and can provide a copy of that) and after (I take several pictures of the boxing up of their GPU at each stage with their eBay invoice in each picture) and a final picture of their package so they know what to expect). I also make sure to put in the post all items are shipped via USPS (strictest mail fraud laws) insured and adult signature required.

 

Buyers have left me only positive feedback and love being kept in the loop for what can be a pricey purchase. It also has established a long selling record for pricey items with a documented chain of events just in case someone wants to try some shenanigans....

 

I've been selling on eBay for 28 years now. A few hiccups? Absolutely, but overall it will net you top dollar for your items considering they go for ~$2400USD on eBay = $~2100-$2200 after ebay fees (You should obviously set up an eBay store for the discounts even if for one month, as the discounts will cover the store fee AND put an extra $50-75 in your pocket).

 

If you list your GPU on the forums for $2100, you will get the normal "ZOMG!! OVERPRICED BRO!!" brigade chiming in who can't or won't understand current market conditions.

 

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I just went, "that is crazy" when I read it earlier over on the forums. I have zero problems with people reselling their items and getting top dollar for them (call it scalping if you want), but buying specifically for reselling especially among the hardware community? For someone who is a firm proponent of "let the market ride as is," that just sits wrong with me a bit.

 

i started off with bone stock testing to get a feel of the card first, i.e. no voltage or PL adjustments whatsoever.

 

+3000 / 34Gbps on vRAM is still stable, and i think ive hit a stability wall at +375 on the core. anything above that, i.e. +380 and the system locks up during stress tests after about 10-15 min.

 

depending on the load and resolution im getting anywhere between 2500 and 3000+ Mhz on the core under load. max core temps always go to 68C, with fans adjusting accordingly and PL always maxed out, bouncing off the 600W limit. i sometimes see it go up to 610W or so, but the 600W limit is pretty hard nonetheless.

core voltages are again dependent on the type of load, max. im seeing at idle / light loads is 1.025V with min under load around 0.950V, im guessing i got a very non-leaky silicon that has low peak voltage. ive seen other spike up to 1.09 or so.

 

in conclusion, the 5090 is hopelessly power-starved and in desperate need of a 1kW vbios...

 

ive got two more stability sessions to go through before i call +375/+3000 stable enough for D2D. any fine adjustments / corrections in specific games notwithstanding, that is. after that ill go through my benchmark suite once more to check and see what kinda uplifts im seeing vs. 5090 stock / 4090 OC / 4090 stock.

 

oh btw, i HAVE heard some coil whine now! 😄 that was in titanfall 2 at 1080p and 600+ FPS 🤣 but even then its very slight, totally wouldnt hear it when gaming with headphones on. so nothing to worry about really.

 

as for ebay, ive also been selling there for 23 years now. the experiences are pretty much the same as yours, theres always gonna be a few hiccups / idiots here and there but overall ive always come out pretty solid. 

 

the ebay fees also arent so bad, at least not here. they are dependend on where the sale goes to, i.e. national sales are free (no fees whatsoever), inside the EU there are fees but still quite low and only when i sell outside the EU the fees go up to "standard" levels, so to say. however, im fine with that, since the overall customer audience / geographical reach is just without competition. 

[johnksss]

Got a text to get to MC. I grabbed the very last one.

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

i started off with bone stock testing to get a feel of the card first, i.e. no voltage or PL adjustments whatsoever.

 

+3000 / 34Gbps on vRAM is still stable, and i think ive hit a stability wall at +375 on the core. anything above that, i.e. +380 and the system locks up during stress tests after about 10-15 min.

 

depending on the load and resolution im getting anywhere between 2500 and 3000+ Mhz on the core under load. max core temps always go to 68C, with fans adjusting accordingly and PL always maxed out, bouncing off the 600W limit. i sometimes see it go up to 610W or so, but the 600W limit is pretty hard nonetheless.

core voltages are again dependent on the type of load, max. im seeing at idle / light loads is 1.025V with min under load around 0.950V, im guessing i got a very non-leaky silicon that has low peak voltage. ive seen other spike up to 1.09 or so.

 

in conclusion, the 5090 is hopelessly power-starved and in desperate need of a 1kW vbios...

 

ive got two more stability sessions to go through before i call +375/+3000 stable enough for D2D. any fine adjustments / corrections in specific games notwithstanding, that is. after that ill go through my benchmark suite once more to check and see what kinda uplifts im seeing vs. 5090 stock / 4090 OC / 4090 stock.

 

oh btw, i HAVE heard some coil whine now! 😄 that was in titanfall 2 at 1080p and 600+ FPS 🤣 but even then its very slight, totally wouldnt hear it when gaming with headphones on. so nothing to worry about really.

 

as for ebay, ive also been selling there for 23 years now. the experiences are pretty much the same as yours, theres always gonna be a few hiccups / idiots here and there but overall ive always come out pretty solid. 

 

the ebay fees also arent so bad, at least not here. they are dependend on where the sale goes to, i.e. national sales are free (no fees whatsoever), inside the EU there are fees but still quite low and only when i sell outside the EU the fees go up to "standard" levels, so to say. however, im fine with that, since the overall customer audience / geographical reach is just without competition. 

 

Some of these AIBs have massive heatsinks or you block them and they are screaming for more power.

 

You can always shunt mod it to get it where you want to go but I'm hoping the XOC vBIOS eventually makes its way out. 4090 seems to get it pretty quick and it was fun to play around with.

 

Which version did you go with? Stand alone or Steam? I downloaded the latest stand alone version 1.3.7 to give a whirl later tonight or tomorrow.

 

LOL, coil whine will find ya! 🤣 

 

How high can you go for short benches? You seem to take my approach. I find a sane OC for D2D and then push it for benches. My 4090 for sane D2D OC was ~ +180 +1500. For benches it was +225 / +1600.

 

I just went into GPU Tweak III and pressed the default sliders for memory and clocks as is and left TSE 3Dmark on a loop for an hour and that was that but those settings are conservative I think so I'll want to see where it really falls off the proverbial mountain.

 

As for eBay in the US, it is ~13.6% without a store and with a store it is ~7.35% in the US, so even selling a single GPU, it makes sense to set up a basic store for ~$30 for the month if the GPU is >=~$500

 

3 hours ago, johnksss said:

Got a text to get to MC. I grabbed the very last one.

 

Oh damn! Congrats @johnksss!! Blocking it eventually or running it as is?

 

And hey! Will ya look at that, NOT a Zotrash!

 

 

[tps3443]

7 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

i started off with bone stock testing to get a feel of the card first, i.e. no voltage or PL adjustments whatsoever.

 

+3000 / 34Gbps on vRAM is still stable, and i think ive hit a stability wall at +375 on the core. anything above that, i.e. +380 and the system locks up during stress tests after about 10-15 min.

 

depending on the load and resolution im getting anywhere between 2500 and 3000+ Mhz on the core under load. max core temps always go to 68C, with fans adjusting accordingly and PL always maxed out, bouncing off the 600W limit. i sometimes see it go up to 610W or so, but the 600W limit is pretty hard nonetheless.

core voltages are again dependent on the type of load, max. im seeing at idle / light loads is 1.025V with min under load around 0.950V, im guessing i got a very non-leaky silicon that has low peak voltage. ive seen other spike up to 1.09 or so.

 

in conclusion, the 5090 is hopelessly power-starved and in desperate need of a 1kW vbios...

 

ive got two more stability sessions to go through before i call +375/+3000 stable enough for D2D. any fine adjustments / corrections in specific games notwithstanding, that is. after that ill go through my benchmark suite once more to check and see what kinda uplifts im seeing vs. 5090 stock / 4090 OC / 4090 stock.

 

oh btw, i HAVE heard some coil whine now! 😄 that was in titanfall 2 at 1080p and 600+ FPS 🤣 but even then its very slight, totally wouldnt hear it when gaming with headphones on. so nothing to worry about really.

 

as for ebay, ive also been selling there for 23 years now. the experiences are pretty much the same as yours, theres always gonna be a few hiccups / idiots here and there but overall ive always come out pretty solid. 

 

the ebay fees also arent so bad, at least not here. they are dependend on where the sale goes to, i.e. national sales are free (no fees whatsoever), inside the EU there are fees but still quite low and only when i sell outside the EU the fees go up to "standard" levels, so to say. however, im fine with that, since the overall customer audience / geographical reach is just without competition. 

Flash the Astral bios to your Suprim and see if anything changes with load voltages. It’s good you can run +3,000 though. Some 5090’s cannot run that. Also, these cards do see transient spikes of like 800+ watts in power draw. But yeah they are just a little power limited for heavy OC in power virus applications, but honestly I think it’s just as efficient as my 4090 was, when I run my 5090FE stock the power draw is pretty low in my games in 4K. I haven’t come across any games yet that are bouncing off 600w.

If I undervolt it, it stays extremely low on power consumption. My 5090 stays low on voltage too, even lower than yours. 😃 But I love it because it barely uses power. And the default 575w is more than enough for 4K gaming for me (Even without undervolting)
 

3 hours ago, johnksss said:

Got a text to get to MC. I grabbed the very last one.

Congratulations! You’ve got the same GPU as @win32asmguy

[johnksss]

58 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Some of these AIBs have massive heatsinks or you block them and they are screaming for more power.

 

You can always shunt mod it to get it where you want to go but I'm hoping the XOC vBIOS eventually makes its way out. 4090 seems to get it pretty quick and it was fun to play around with.

 

Which version did you go with? Stand alone or Steam? I downloaded the latest stand alone version 1.3.7 to give a whirl later tonight or tomorrow.

 

LOL, coil whine will find ya! 🤣 

 

How high can you go for short benches? You seem to take my approach. I find a sane OC for D2D and then push it for benches. My 4090 for sane D2D OC was ~ +180 +1500. For benches it was +225 / +1600.

 

I just went into GPU Tweak III and pressed the default sliders for memory and clocks as is and left TSE 3Dmark on a loop for an hour and that was that but those settings are conservative I think so I'll want to see where it really falls off the proverbial mountain.

 

As for eBay in the US, it is ~13.6% without a store and with a store it is ~7.35% in the US, so even selling a single GPU, it makes sense to set up a basic store for ~$30 for the month if the GPU is >=~$500

 

 

Oh damn! Congrats @johnksss!! Blocking it eventually or running it as is?

 

And hey! Will ya look at that, NOT a Zotrash!

 

 

Thanks bro.

 

I'm not so sure Zotac is actually trash this go round. They have their own 5080 450W vBios and it's sitting pretty high up the ranks.

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, johnksss said:

Got a text to get to MC. I grabbed the very last one.

 

Congrats. Only one left, wow. Is there still problem get 5090's in US ? And what did you pay? Not sure what extra tariff/or tax you pay in California. Isn't it different from State to state? 

[johnksss]

51 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Congrats. Only one left, wow. Is there still problem get 5090's in US ? And what did you pay? Not sure what extra tariff/or tax you pay in California. Isn't it different from State to state? 

Of course we still have problems getting 5090's. LOL

 

3059.99 was the sticker price.

[electrosoft]

52 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Congrats. Only one left, wow. Is there still problem get 5090's in US ? And what did you pay? Not sure what extra tariff/or tax you pay in California. Isn't it different from State to state? 

 

Tariffs are alive and well and going nowhere here in the states. The war with China is just ramping up along with all the other "minimum but temporary" tariffs on a plethora of other countries.

 

5090 prices will not be going down. The biggest fear is them going up.

 

Supply is still a problem across the board here for just about all the cards as they sell out immediately.

 

Depending on when the tariffs kick in (or are fully felt), expect prices to rise on a large swath of electronics and other items.

 

Sales tax varies from state to state on purchases from 0% to 7.25%. You then have local sales taxes that can combine to create pockets of even higher sales tax up to almost 10%

 

NJ and my county is 6.625%

California is 7.25% but Tustin, CA is 7.75% on last check

 

 

 

 

[johnksss]

Intel is about to have serious problems as well. China is kicking them to the curb for local chip manufacturing. Guess they dont want US tech in none of their goverment machines anymore either.

[johnksss]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Congrats. Only one left, wow. Is there still problem get 5090's in US ? And what did you pay? Not sure what extra tariff/or tax you pay in California. Isn't it different from State to state? 

Did you shunt mod your card already or get the tools and vbios to unlock your card?

[electrosoft]

@jaybee83 PX1 can't control the fans but sliders work including +3000. Very much power starved. I will never shunt mod but I will gladly take that XOC BIOS please.

 

576.02 Drivers.

 

WoW auto fans, +3000, +400

 

@win32asmguy  GPU Utilization 76% vs 99% cap out on all the other cards tested including OC 4090 @ 3135mhz +1500 memory (zero player data) 4k Ultra RT max. The hunt for a new testing spot continues to try to get the 5090 to GPU Util 99% even at stock in WoW......

 

 

Timespy auto fans +350 +3000

 

 

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

Deus Ex MD:

 

Stock:

 

 

+3000 / +350:

 

[Mr. Fox]

On 4/17/2025 at 11:38 PM, electrosoft said:

Deus Ex Mankind divided bone stock GPU benchmark runs.

Seriously, the 9070xt? SMH

 

9800X3D @ 5450

2x24GB tuned 2200/6400

W11 24H2 normal bloated D2D OS no tweaks

Gigabyte Gaming OC 9070xt

Nvidia 5080 FE

Asus Astral 5090

Nvidia Drivers 576.02

AMD Adrenalin 25.3.2

 

4k everything on ultra/max settings.

 

5090 is ~58% faster than the 5080 FE in this test which is pretty massive overall.

 

9070xt is performing absolutely abysmal in this test to the point I don't know if it is a driver issue or not.

 

@Mr. Fox could you run this on your 9070xt  completely stock to let me know if my results are suspect and maybe needs investigating along with your 4090 completely stock for comparison. I can't find my 4090/3090 Dx:MD results. If your results are much higher, I will need to set up another test volume for the 9070xt. I know the 9070xt on WoW is right where I expected it to be compared to the results on three different 7900xtx cards across three different CPUs and two different platforms and the 9070xt is actually scoring slightly higher than many stock 9070xt's in Timespy but again you never know.

 

Gigabyte Gaming OC 9070XT (Adrenalin 25.3.2):

 

 

Nvidia 5080 FE (576.02):

 

 

Astral 5090 (576.02):

 

Yes, but it may be a couple of days. I'm buried in projects and my office is totally torn up and I'm not able to use either system at the moment.

 

Sold the MORA and dual XSPC Photon 240 D5 pumps to Brother @johnksss. Getting it boxed up was difficult. The weight was 35 pounds and I used the box the Montech AIR MAX came it.

 

Something for FE-lovers. https://www.overclock.net/threads/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition-24gb-gddr6x-graphics-card.1815879/

[Papusan]

12 hours ago, johnksss said:

Did you shunt mod your card already or get the tools and vbios to unlock your card?

 

Nope. And not sure I can or will. My shaky hands and the warranty is important in the used market. $3500 USD is a lot money for a retired man. 

 

Hope I with time can get an unlocked vbios.

 

12 hours ago, johnksss said:

Intel is about to have serious problems as well. China is kicking them to the curb for local chip manufacturing. Guess they dont want US tech in none of their goverment machines anymore either.

 

Yup, Intel is in trouble. Not the best product with latest gen, problems with previous gen 13/14th gen + tariff war on top can be too much. Lag behind in AI is also a drawback.

 

This is like pee in the water. Won't help much.

 

Intel begins selling "IPO-Optimized" PCs in China with up to 10% extra CPU performance with OC and patches

 

 

How can Intel build trust with how they treat their customers? Release a disaster then move over to next and hope for the best. LGA1954 in, LGA1851 out. 1851 have been a disaster both for Intel and their customers that pay for it.. 

 

Intel's next-gen Nova Lake CPUs will seemingly use a new LGA1954 socket

https://wccftech.com/intel-nova-lake-s-desktop-cpus-feature-support-new-lga-1954-socket/

 

 

13 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Tariffs are alive and well and going nowhere here in the states. The war with China is just ramping up along with all the other "minimum but temporary" tariffs on a plethora of other countries.

 

5090 prices will not be going down. The biggest fear is them going up.

 

Supply is still a problem across the board here for just about all the cards as they sell out immediately.

 

Depending on when the tariffs kick in (or are fully felt), expect prices to rise on a large swath of electronics and other items.

 

Sales tax varies from state to state on purchases from 0% to 7.25%. You then have local sales taxes that can combine to create pockets of even higher sales tax up to almost 10%

 

NJ and my county is 6.625%

California is 7.25% but Tustin, CA is 7.75% on last check

 

 

Thanks for the info. I can clearly see not everything is functional in US right now. Egg prices are too low. That can't be correct, but who knows. There is always a reason people don't buy or can't buy. Either are the prices too high or there is lack of what they want. Can of course be both.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Something for FE-lovers. https://www.overclock.net/threads/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition-24gb-gddr6x-graphics-card.1815879/

 

$1700. That s above MSRP 2.5 years ago. Awful times if you want to play games. 5080 at MSRP is probably better if you can find one and don't need the 24GB vram buffer for other tasks.

[jaybee83]

13 hours ago, johnksss said:

Got a text to get to MC. I grabbed the very last one.

 

welcome to the 5090 club bro, its about time 🙂 heard good things about the trio thus far, hope it treats you well! do tell us how its going with it.

 

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Some of these AIBs have massive heatsinks or you block them and they are screaming for more power.

 

You can always shunt mod it to get it where you want to go but I'm hoping the XOC vBIOS eventually makes its way out. 4090 seems to get it pretty quick and it was fun to play around with.

 

Which version did you go with? Stand alone or Steam? I downloaded the latest stand alone version 1.3.7 to give a whirl later tonight or tomorrow.

 

LOL, coil whine will find ya! 🤣 

 

How high can you go for short benches? You seem to take my approach. I find a sane OC for D2D and then push it for benches. My 4090 for sane D2D OC was ~ +180 +1500. For benches it was +225 / +1600.

 

I just went into GPU Tweak III and pressed the default sliders for memory and clocks as is and left TSE 3Dmark on a loop for an hour and that was that but those settings are conservative I think so I'll want to see where it really falls off the proverbial mountain.

 

As for eBay in the US, it is ~13.6% without a store and with a store it is ~7.35% in the US, so even selling a single GPU, it makes sense to set up a basic store for ~$30 for the month if the GPU is >=~$500

 

 

Oh damn! Congrats @johnksss!! Blocking it eventually or running it as is?

 

And hey! Will ya look at that, NOT a Zotrash!

 

 

 

screaming for more powah 100%. what im seeing thus far is that im hitting the power limit WAY earlier than the voltage limit in most cases. one exception is Unity Enemies (UE5 tech demo), which lets the card ramp up to roughly 550W so its able to stretch its legs clockwise and holds steady around 3150 Mhz on the core at +370 (my confirmed D2D stable btw, +375 turned out to be unstable in Unity Enemies).

 

thats why im absolutely HOPING for the XOC vbios to drop at some point. not planning to shunt mod this card.

 

PX1 is standalone. everything i have is standalone. i dont even have a steam account 🤣 and yeah, for custom fan curves im using AB, PX1 unfortunately doesnt help there.

 

havent tested max settings for short benches yet. gimme a list of benches ud want to see and ill check it out for you 🙂

VRAM is easy, cant go further than +3000 and its stable haha 😄 so only core left to finetune in this regard.

my 4090 D2D was at +190 / +1525 so basically the same as yours.

 

10 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Flash the Astral bios to your Suprim and see if anything changes with load voltages. It’s good you can run +3,000 though. Some 5090’s cannot run that. Also, these cards do see transient spikes of like 800+ watts in power draw. But yeah they are just a little power limited for heavy OC in power virus applications, but honestly I think it’s just as efficient as my 4090 was, when I run my 5090FE stock the power draw is pretty low in my games in 4K. I haven’t come across any games yet that are bouncing off 600w.

If I undervolt it, it stays extremely low on power consumption. My 5090 stays low on voltage too, even lower than yours. 😃 But I love it because it barely uses power. And the default 575w is more than enough for 4K gaming for me (Even without undervolting)
 

Congratulations! You’ve got the same GPU as @win32asmguy

 

u know, funny that u mention that with the astral vbios. ive seen reports that although the astral vbios sports the same 600W limit, it somehow allows for a bit higher peak voltage and also has higher / more frequent 600+ W peaks. might be worth a try 🙂 

havent checked for transients yet, those 610W peaks i mentioned before was just manual eyeballing via the Nvidia overlay during stress testing. so will need to do some more detailed monitoring with HWInfo.

 

thats to be expected that your FE stays overall lower in voltage, with on average higher temps at load it would downclock a tad more and thus use a lower point on the V/F curve.

bouncing off the 600W limit is basically all i see on my end....i guess our game library is a bit different 😄 

not planning to do any undervolting, rather interested in the max stable clocks at max voltage 😛 however i WOULD be interested in a vbios with a much lower minimum power limit i could clamp down. the Suprim performance vbios only lets me go down to 67%, equivalent to 400W peak wattage. i would prefer 25-33% or equivalent to 150-200W for regular desktop use / light loads / transcoding workloads.

 

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

@jaybee83 PX1 can't control the fans but sliders work including +3000. Very much power starved. I will never shunt mod but I will gladly take that XOC BIOS please.

 

576.02 Drivers.

 

WoW auto fans, +3000, +400

 

@win32asmguy  GPU Utilization 76% vs 99% cap out on all the other cards tested including OC 4090 @ 3135mhz +1500 memory (zero player data) 4k Ultra RT max. The hunt for a new testing spot continues to try to get the 5090 to GPU Util 99% even at stock in WoW......

 

 

Timespy auto fans +350 +3000

 

 

 

how are those 576 drivers treating ya? havent updated yet, wanted to finish all my testing first with the same driver base.

 

edit: good news on the ebay front, i just sold my 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4TB disks all at once to a buyer in France. total fees at 5% 🙂 pricing was also very good, managed to sell them at 90% of the price i paid for them about 5-6 years ago (new) 😄 

[Mr. Fox]

The A$$zeus fanboys are gonna love this post... 😆

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29457390/

 

I wish them all good luck with the grossly overpriced and poorly designed Apex with defective PCIe bifurcation.

[jaybee83]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

The A$$zeus fanboys are gonna love this post... 😆

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29457390/

 

I wish them all good luck with the grossly overpriced and poorly designed Apex with defective PCIe bifurcation.

 

"the juice wasnt worth the squeeze" - love that quote, gotta keep that in mind for future reference LOL

[Papusan]

6 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

not planning to do any undervolting, rather interested in the max stable clocks at max voltage 😛 

 

With the good coolers there is no point go for undervolt as long you are happy with the noise level. You won't get maximum performance with undervolting 5090s.

 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The A$$zeus fanboys are gonna love this post... 😆

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29457390/

 

I wish them all good luck with the grossly overpriced and poorly designed Apex with defective PCIe bifurcation.

 

LOL

[jaybee83]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

With the good coolers there is no point go for undervolt as long you are happy with the noise level. You won't get maximum performance with undervolting 5090s.

 

exactly. and the noise level on this thing is virtually non-existent. i barely notice any difference between idle and load LOL has probably something to do with the fact that my case sports a total of 14 fans 😄  

 

aight boiz, time for some bench numbers. the suite consists of 3DMark, FFXIV, Relic of Life, UE5 Tech Demos (Matrix City, Mawi Broadleaf Forest, Mawi Conifer Forest, Rain Forest, Rome City, Unity Enemies) and Unigine (all benches).

 

all benches at max. settings with 4K resolution. mix of OpenGL and respectively highest supported DX version.

this provides a nice mix of ol, high FPS benches, new low FPS benches with RT, and anything in between.

 

here some high level overview:

 

4090 Stock / DDR5-5200 / 7950X vs. 4090 Stock / DDR5-5200 / 9950X3D = +3% for 9950X3D

--> crazy to see that even at 4K max the CPU can still elevate the GPU perf. granted this was with stock RAM speeds.

 

4090 OC / DDR5-7600 / 7950X vs. 4090 Stock / DDR5-5200 / 7950X = +9% for OC

--> CPU was left at stock, so this is based on GPU and RAM OC alone.

 

 4090 OC / DDR5-7600 / 7950X vs. 4090 OC / DDR5-7400 / 9950X3D = +2% for 9950X3D

--> even though the 9950X3D didnt manage to go as high on the RAM as the 7950X, it still beat it by 2%, not bad.

 

5090 Stock / DDR5-7400 / 9950X3D vs. 4090 OC / DDR5-7400 / 9950X3D = +33% for 5090 Stock

--> call me impressed to see a 33% jump for the 5090 STOCK vs. the 4090 OC!

 

5090 OC / DDR5-7400 / 9950X3D vs. 5090 Stock / DDR5-7400 / 9950X3D = +12% for 5090 OC

--> although both configs sported the same RAM settings, the 5090 OC sports a larger 12% jump vs. the previous 4090 OC vs. Stock jump at just 9%. nice!

 

and now the most important comparison:

5090 OC / DDR5-7400 / 9950X3D  vs. 4090 OC / DDR5-7400 / 9950X3D = +49% for 5090 OC

--> very happy with this, i really didnt expect a 50% jump vs. the overclocked 4090! 

 

theres still a lot of gas left in the tank with the 5090, seeing as vRAM OC is not fully unlocked and the card is hopelessly power starved. the absolute majority of instances running this card it is bouncing off the 600W power limit. really hoping for a 1000W vbios here, folks!

 

granted, this is all with synthetic / canned benches, but ill do some more testing with Alan Wake II, Titanfall II, Indiana Jones, as well as video transcoding. so stay tuned! 🙂 

[electrosoft]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, but it may be a couple of days. I'm buried in projects and my office is totally torn up and I'm not able to use either system at the moment.

 

Sold the MORA dual XSPC Photon 240 D5 pumps to Brother @johnksss. Getting is boxed up was difficult. The weight was 35 pounds and I used the box the Montech AIR MAX came it.

 

Something for FE-lovers. https://www.overclock.net/threads/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition-24gb-gddr6x-graphics-card.1815879/

 

No rush brother. It gets done when it gets done. Real life trumps fun time always.

 

Wow, so just the chiller now?

 

I can't stomach $1700 for a 4090 at this juncture.

 

I see you already got a response over on the forums about the 870e Apex. 🙂

 

 

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

 

This is like pee in the water. Won't help much.

 

fo. I can clearly see not everything is functional in US right now. Egg prices are too low. That can't be correct, but who knows. There is always a reason people don't buy or can't buy. Either are the prices too high or there is lack of what they want. Can of course be both.

 

"This is like pee in the water. Won't help much." - LOL

 

I'm not sure what the problem is, but I do feel like AIBs are holding back and/or redirecting cards elsewhere like discussed earlier.

 

But as you noted too, MSRP cards still sell out pretty quickly. The problem is scalped cards but at least those are languishing now a bit not moving like before.

 

Any decently priced MSRP card from the 5070 on up continue to sell out in the US pretty quickly.

 

I was sadden to see another $6k bundle on NE for the Astral slowly, but surely, sell out again. The pro are everything in it is MSRP. The con obviously is everything an Asus fan boi could love is required to get it.

 

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

screaming for more powah 100%. what im seeing thus far is that im hitting the power limit WAY earlier than the voltage limit in most cases. one exception is Unity Enemies (UE5 tech demo), which lets the card ramp up to roughly 550W so its able to stretch its legs clockwise and holds steady around 3150 Mhz on the core at +370 (my confirmed D2D stable btw, +375 turned out to be unstable in Unity Enemies).

 

thats why im absolutely HOPING for the XOC vbios to drop at some point. not planning to shunt mod this card.

 

PX1 is standalone. everything i have is standalone. i dont even have a steam account 🤣 and yeah, for custom fan curves im using AB, PX1 unfortunately doesnt help there.

 

havent tested max settings for short benches yet. gimme a list of benches ud want to see and ill check it out for you 🙂

VRAM is easy, cant go further than +3000 and its stable haha 😄 so only core left to finetune in this regard.

my 4090 D2D was at +190 / +1525 so basically the same as yours.

 

 

u know, funny that u mention that with the astral vbios. ive seen reports that although the astral vbios sports the same 600W limit, it somehow allows for a bit higher peak voltage and also has higher / more frequent 600+ W peaks. might be worth a try 🙂 

havent checked for transients yet, those 610W peaks i mentioned before was just manual eyeballing via the Nvidia overlay during stress testing. so will need to do some more detailed monitoring with HWInfo.

 

thats to be expected that your FE stays overall lower in voltage, with on average higher temps at load it would downclock a tad more and thus use a lower point on the V/F curve.

bouncing off the 600W limit is basically all i see on my end....i guess our game library is a bit different 😄 

not planning to do any undervolting, rather interested in the max stable clocks at max voltage 😛 however i WOULD be interested in a vbios with a much lower minimum power limit i could clamp down. the Suprim performance vbios only lets me go down to 67%, equivalent to 400W peak wattage. i would prefer 25-33% or equivalent to 150-200W for regular desktop use / light loads / transcoding workloads.

 

 

how are those 576 drivers treating ya? havent updated yet, wanted to finish all my testing first with the same driver base.

 

edit: good news on the ebay front, i just sold my 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4TB disks all at once to a buyer in France. total fees at 5% 🙂 pricing was also very good, managed to sell them at 90% of the price i paid for them about 5-6 years ago (new) 😄 

 

Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a 5090 that can't do +3000 lol but I'm sure there are a few lame ducks out there.

 

Clocks wise, I am finding 576.02 is not allowing me to clock up as high with 572.83. Which drivers are you running? I know a lot of 5090 owners are sticking with .47 as the "best" I might either go back to .83 or .47 for benching but for D2D I tend to stick with Nvidia updates as they flow in. I did do a sloppy upgrade install though so keep that in mind. I'm do for my once a month clean install anyhow (Something I've done for 25+ years....don't ask me why) so I may go back to .83.

 

5090 FE cards are just meant to be UV'd due to design. You just don't have the headroom to do much more I found out really sitting on FT with my bud who wanted to swap his 5090 FE for my Astral. It just doesn't have the headroom like the Suprim, Astral and just about any other decent 5090 heatsink and especially LC models. But a 5090 FE UV nicely in a truly portable (not these pseudo SFF builds I see that aren't really portable) SFF and with a tuned 9800X3D? Mmmmm, that would rip.

 

Yeah, me and eBay are about to get re-acquainted as I turn my store back on to list some hardware along with locally too. That BB bill isn't gonna pay itself and it now has currently the 5090 Astral, 5070 FE and Gigabyte 9070xt on it.

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

With the good coolers there is no point go for undervolt as long you are happy with the noise level. You won't get maximum performance with undervolting 5090s.

 

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

exactly. and the noise level on this thing is virtually non-existent. i barely notice any difference between idle and load LOL has probably something to do with the fact that my case sports a total of 14 fans 😄  

 

This.

 

Overclocked on mem and core, my noise level is the same which is sub 50% on fans on auto gaming.

 

Even running TS, fans went to 55% max to keep temps at ~66c when OC'd with transient spikes up to 615w in the newest version of GPU-Z (albeit following it on screen I never saw anything near that).

 

To not run it with an OC would be a waste of the monster cooling capacity on some of these 5090s. If I'm going to UV it then I'm going to just wait for an FE if I'm in that boat.

 

 

54 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

and now the most important comparison:

5090 OC / DDR5-7400 / 9950X3D  vs. 4090 OC / DDR5-7400 / 9950X3D = +49% for 5090 OC

--> very happy with this, i really didnt expect a 50% jump vs. the overclocked 4090! 

 

theres still a lot of gas left in the tank with the 5090, seeing as vRAM OC is not fully unlocked and the card is hopelessly power starved. the absolute majority of instances running this card it is bouncing off the 600W power limit. really hoping for a 1000W vbios here, folks!

 

granted, this is all with synthetic / canned benches, but ill do some more testing with Alan Wake II, Titanfall II, Indiana Jones, as well as video transcoding. so stay tuned! 🙂 

 

 

This.

 

I did the same "whoa!" when testing in WoW and seeing the 5090 at stock blow past the 4090 OC'd with ~34%+ uplift and more in the tank but couldn't hit full utilization. OC just dropped the utilization even further.

 

I'm not saying the 5090 is a bargain or worth it by any stretch of the imagination, but having spent a few hours on Facetime with my clan/guildie bud of 20yrs+ and his 5090 FE, what I have found out that if you want to push your 5090, you're going to need an AIB model and if you want to push it D2D with lower fan noise, you're going to need a beefier model or you're going to just have to block it speaking of the 5090 FE....

 

-----

 

@tps3443 I had a chance to really push my guildie's 5090 FE and that thing just does not respond well (as it shouldn't) to any real OC/D2D/low noise profiles. Heat and pull had it sitting sub 3.1ghz and routinely under 3ghz even gaming making it more of a UV king than an OC card. We ended up with a curve of .0925 and about 2875mhz +3000 when finished on his FE that, in his words, "wow, I didn't realize it could run this much quieter when gaming." Temps were still hitting about 72c but the noise had dropped dramatically. Of course less fan noise means any coil whine really will present itself front and center...

 

Astral will sit at +3000 3150-3250 all day gaming, fans at sub 50% temps at sub 66 all day everyday....

....This is the way.

 

Oh and as I had to tell him after a few runs/tests and a few protests from him, "No my good sir, THAT is coil whine and a healthy amount of it too!" His 5090 FE has that seesaw coil whine that is immediate return/resell levels. When it squealed on GT2 I had him pull up up Deus Ex MD benchmark to run and it sounded like someone was trying to mug it in an alleyway.  He isn't phased by the coil whine at all though.

 

Him "So I take it you don't want to trade +1400?"

Me "I think we both know the answer to that"

Him "I don't really think the coil whine is bad. I don't really hear it."

Me "Well, we're both not spring chickens so maybe your hearing is going"

Him "Eh? What did you say?" (Mockingly holding hand up to ear)

 

(Followed by about 2 minutes of continuous laughter)

 

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

"This is like pee in the water. Won't help much." - LOL

 

I'm not sure what the problem is, but I do feel like AIBs are holding back and/or redirecting cards elsewhere like discussed earlier.

 

But as you noted too, MSRP cards still sell out pretty quickly. The problem is scalped cards but at least those are languishing now a bit not moving like before.

 

 

I have said this before. More than one time. Asia  and China have above 1/3d of the whole tech market. Everyone know where the graphics cards going. And if they want to stop Nvidia, AMD and Intel they need to stop sell their product in these markets. That means much higher prices forwards for everyone. Intel is already close to be closed... If this is what US prefer then expect same fait for the other tech companies using western tech. They all will increase the prices.

 

Cut the die in 1/4 and everyone will be happy. 5070 class card for everyone. Almost as in old Soviet. Maybe we should make one size fit all graphics cards, drinks, dinners and deserts? Not hot desert bur sweet desert.

 

Imagine how many xx90 cards will go/get around the US ban. And imagine the prices people need to pay for one. xx90 cards gan be a good investment the next 2-3 years.

 

 

AIB partners told by NVIDIA to stop selling GeForce RTX 5090D in China, new GPU ban expected
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/104691/aib-partners-told-by-nvidia-to-stop-selling-geforce-rtx-5090d-in-china-new-gpu-ban-expected/index.html

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a 5090 that can't do +3000 lol but I'm sure there are a few lame ducks out there.

 

Clocks wise, I am finding 576.02 is not allowing me to clock up as high with 572.83. Which drivers are you running? I know a lot of 5090 owners are sticking with .47 as the "best" I might either go back to .83 or .47 for benching but for D2D I tend to stick with Nvidia updates as they flow in. I did do a sloppy upgrade install though so keep that in mind. I'm do for my once a month clean install anyhow (Something I've done for 25+ years....don't ask me why) so I may go back to .83.

 

This.

 

I did the same "whoa!" when testing in WoW and seeing the 5090 at stock blow past the 4090 OC'd with ~34%+ uplift and more in the tank but couldn't hit full utilization. OC just dropped the utilization even further.

 

I'm not saying the 5090 is a bargain or worth it by any stretch of the imagination, but having spent a few hours on Facetime with my clan/guildie bud of 20yrs+ and his 5090 FE, what I have found out that if you want to push your 5090, you're going to need an AIB model and if you want to push it D2D with lower fan noise, you're going to need a beefier model or you're going to just have to block it speaking of the 5090 FE....

 

havent seen one yet either 😄 id be curious to see how far one could go. based on XOC results ive seen at 35+ Gbps we "shouldnt" be loosing out on too much bandwidth, but any artificial clock block is just wrong...

 

im still on 572.83. hm, what kinda clock penalty are we talking here on 576.02? now ure making me not want to update as badly anymore 😄 dude, a clean install a month? LOL aint nobody got time for that 😄

 

got some more bench data for you guys:

 

4090 OC vs. 5090 OC

 

Alan Wake II 4K maxed out with DLSS Quality

Tested 6 different savegames, avg. fps listed

66 fps vs. 72 fps = +9.6% for the 5090 OC

 

something is definitely funky here, when checking reviews im seeing roughly 30-35% uplift in AW2 with RT. no idea whats up with this, will have to look into this further.

 

Titanfall II 4K maxed out incl. adaptive resolution

Tested 15 different savegames, avg. fps listed

143 fps vs. 185 fps = +30% for the 5090 OC

 

now this is more like it! 

 

Last but not least, i did some test transcoding. Converted a total of 6 episodes of a tv show at 1080p to get to a smaller filesize without much quality loss (HEVC H.265 via NVENC), using Xmedia Recode.

4090 = 5971 seconds = 1h 39m 31s

5090 = 3086 seconds = 51m 26s

 

thats a whopping 94% performance boost a.k.a. almost halving of the transcoding time, NICE! im guessing this is likely a combo of 50% more NVENC units (3 vs. 2) and the vastly increased vRAM bandwidth. me likey 🙂 

[Papusan]

26 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

im still on 572.83. hm, what kinda clock penalty are we talking here on 576.02? now ure making me not want to update as badly anymore 😄 dude, a clean install a month? LOL aint nobody got time for that 😄

 

Newer has to be better. Always bro @Mr. Fox 

 

New Nvidia drivers improve performance in benchmarks, but crashes and gaming issues remain

Up to 8% better performance in 3DMark Steel Nomad

 

If the new crashes are widespread, they represent a potentially serious setback to Nvidia's efforts to fight bugs that first emerged with the RTX 50 series launch. For months, users have reported frequent game crashes and instances where Windows boots into a black screen after installing drivers intended for the new GPUs.

 

See also my previous post below....

 

On 4/17/2025 at 8:33 PM, Papusan said: