*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

52 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

im out when it comes to shunt modding, unfortunately. as for the XOC vbios, thus far it sounds like theyre reaaaally cracking down on anyone even thinking about leaking it. plus that special sauce software that is required to control the XOC vbios, the vbios alone dont cut it anymore. *sigh* 

 

such a shame, considering what immense cooling capabilities the Suprim SOC cooler provides!

 

7 minutes ago, johnksss said:

I would crack down as well. As a bunch of people burnt up their cards then start playing the stupid role of...Well, I didn't do anything but play a game. I never over clock and now i want you to replace it for free. They also start throwing people under the bus when they don't get the same things as other people who are in the know. They start name dropping and crying in forums. Here is a tidbit. I know exactly how the kingpin vbios got out to the masses, but i would never tell who it was. Not my place too. Bottom line is, we can't all be in the same circles as others. These are just the facts. And one has to run with the hand they are dealt, because at the end of the day....If that was you they trusted, I know damn well you are not going to be leaking anything if it meant you losing your access to all the goodies us normal people are looking for. That would be just crazy! (Just my ramblings my friend.) 

 

Couldn't have said it any better myself @johnksss. That has been the point I've been trying to get across for sometime now and you summed it up quite nicely.

 

[jaybee83]

18 minutes ago, johnksss said:

I would crack down as well. As a bunch of people burnt up their cards then start playing the stupid role of...Well, I didn't do anything but play a game. I never over clock and now i want you to replace it for free. They also start throwing people under the bus when they don't get the same things as other people who are in the know. They start name dropping and crying in forums. Here is a tidbit. I know exactly how the kingpin vbios got out to the masses, but i would never tell who it was. Not my place too. Bottom line is, we can't all be in the same circles as others. These are just the facts. And one has to run with the hand they are dealt, because at the end of the day....If that was you they trusted, I know damn well you are not going to be leaking anything if it meant you losing your access to all the goodies us normal people are looking for. That would be just crazy! And for any of us to ask you for it would be putting you into a position you don't want to be in. So in that regard I would never ask you.(Just my ramblings my friend.) 

 

yep spot on, cannot argue against that. im 100% admitting to my double standards here. being in that position i would never leak any stuff (as ive never done before when doing stuff with bro @Prema). at the same time ill be the first to flash that XOC vbios in a heartbeat if it leaked 😄 who wouldnt want their cake and eat it too, right?!

i must say tho, i dont think false warranty claims are the main issue here, i bet its more Nvidia clamping down on "non-standard" specs. as long as its limited to small circles for competitions / XOC only, its probably fine with them. but once it makes the round and reaches the masses, thats when they are confronted with the thing they hate the most - losing control.

[johnksss]

2 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

yep spot on, cannot argue against that. im 100% admitting to my double standards here. being in that position i would never leak any stuff (as ive never done before when doing stuff with bro @Prema). at the same time ill be the first to flash that XOC vbios in a heartbeat if it leaked 😄 who wouldnt want their cake and eat it too, right?!

i must say tho, i dont think false warranty claims are the main issue here, i bet its more Nvidia clamping down on "non-standard" specs. as long as its limited to small circles for competitions / XOC only, its probably fine with them. but once it makes the round and reaches the masses, thats when they are confronted with the thing they hate the most - losing control.

Not quite what I hear from those in the know. And I'll leave it at that. 🙂

[jaybee83]

2 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Not quite what I hear from those in the know. And I'll leave it at that. 🙂

 

thats aight, u likely have far more and better sources than i do in this regard 😄 just surprising to me that such would be a big issue, cant imagine the affected subset of a subset of people being so numerous:

 

1) ppl buying a 90 series sku

2) 5090 owners willing to crossflash their vBios

3) 5090 owners crossflashing actually running the XOC vbios daily

4) of those at 3) not doing their due diligence and getting their cards fried cuz of that

5) those of 4) that are sneaky enough to send in their cards for false warranty claims

 

at least i hope not 😄 

[johnksss]

10 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

thats aight, u likely have far more and better sources than i do in this regard 😄 just surprising to me that such would be a big issue, cant imagine the affected subset of a subset of people being so numerous:

 

1) ppl buying a 90 series sku

2) 5090 owners willing to crossflash their vBios

3) 5090 owners crossflashing actually running the XOC vbios daily

4) of those at 3) not doing their due diligence and getting their cards fried cuz of that

5) those of 4) that are sneaky enough to send in their cards for false warranty claims

 

at least i hope not 😄 

This has been going on since 2008 my friend. And that's when i really started over clocking and modding. This is not new now that we are at the 5090 stage. As time goes on people get fed-up so they start clamping down. Another example. Our days with Alienware and the M18X line up. And how we collaborated with them and then they came back and locked us out of the next gen 18x's. You would be surprised by how may laptops came back to them for repair because of users not know what the hell they were doing with an unlocked bios. All because we tried to be nice and think we were helping when in fact all we did was dig our own graves. And then buried our selves in them.

 

Also, to give some insight..... I have been to a few repair centers out here and the stories I have heard pretty much some up my conversation now. No one wants to be on the losing end of a mistake made. Especially if they are bragging at how great their card is doing and overclocking, then pow, card is dead. And they forgot about all their prior post on internet about what they did before the card blew up. Like the repair center couldn't find these things out. 🤦‍♂️. Like they quit selling Microscopes and equipment that can find out what happen. Almost like the show Cops or The worlds stupidest criminals. And the explanations they give are just flat out ridiculous.

 

Edit:

Okay, the card is shunted and wired for volts. Thanks to yzonkers.

[tps3443]

13 hours ago, johnksss said:

This has been going on since 2008 my friend. And that's when i really started over clocking and modding. This is not new now that we are at the 5090 stage. As time goes on people get fed-up so they start clamping down. Another example. Our days with Alienware and the M18X line up. And how we collaborated with them and then they came back and locked us out of the next gen 18x's. You would be surprised by how may laptops came back to them for repair because of users not know what the hell they were doing with an unlocked bios. All because we tried to be nice and think we were helping when in fact all we did was dig our own graves. And then buried our selves in them.

 

Also, to give some insight..... I have been to a few repair centers out here and the stories I have heard pretty much some up my conversation now. No one wants to be on the losing end of a mistake made. Especially if they are bragging at how great their card is doing and overclocking, then pow, card is dead. And they forgot about all their prior post on internet about what they did before the card blew up. Like the repair center couldn't find these things out. 🤦‍♂️. Like they quit selling Microscopes and equipment that can find out what happen. Almost like the show Cops or The worlds stupidest criminals. And the explanations they give are just flat out ridiculous.

 

Edit:

Okay, the card is shunted and wired for volts. Thanks to yzonkers.

Imagine giving all 5090 owners a 1,200 watt XOC bios. 🤣 My goodness. 

[jaybee83]

17 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Imagine giving all 5090 owners a 1,200 watt XOC bios. 🤣 My goodness. 

 

no prob as long as cooling is at least 5090 AIB standard. ull hit voltage limits long before anything SHOULD burn out or melt 😄 but yeah, there are always those dummies that ruin everything for the rest of us...

 

 

back in business boiz! unfortunately no time for testing rn, that will have to wait for later.

 

AIO is making gurgling noises, will have to let the rig run for a while to equilibrate the fluid again. system was laying on its side since sunday 😄 

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Imagine giving all 5090 owners a 1,200 watt XOC bios. 🤣 My goodness. 

We would probably see the reason why nobody has that except for the chosen ones. Just the thought of some of them owning a stock 5090 it's kind of scary. But not as scary as the thought that a desirable non-FE 5090 model costs more than what I paid for the car I've been driving for the last 5 years and will continue driving for at least a couple more.

[jaybee83]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

We would probably see the reason why nobody has that except for the chosen ones. Just the thought of some of them owning a stock 5090 it's kind of scary. But not as scary as the thought that a desirable non-FE 5090 model costs more than what I paid for the car I've been driving for the last 5 years and will continue driving for at least a couple more.

 

i see youre a man of my taste when it comes to cars: cheap, functional, thats it. no frills haha

[Mr. Fox]

54 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

i see youre a man of my taste when it comes to cars: cheap, functional, thats it. no frills haha

Pretty much, yup. Although mine is a fancy older model (2005 Ford Five Hundred SEL AWD) that I bought with like 50K miles on it. And, I drive everything until there is nothing left worth driving and the parts that are worn out cost more than the car is worth. You can get really nice cars for pennies on the dollar after all of the suckers and chumps have taken their losses. When it is worn out (another 200K miles to go) and not worth fixing I will sell it for what I paid for it. Lather, rinse, repeat.

[tps3443]

New Game ready Nvidia driver is out. Who’s trying it? 

[jaybee83]

2 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

New Game ready Nvidia driver is out. Who’s trying it? 

 

nothin yet on the nvdia app.

 

but no time for that anyways, gotta check the new cpu IMC first  then its off to the races testing different vbios versions 🙂 

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

We would probably see the reason why nobody has that except for the chosen ones. Just the thought of some of them owning a stock 5090 it's kind of scary. But not as scary as the thought that a desirable non-FE 5090 model costs more than what I paid for the car I've been driving for the last 5 years and will continue driving for at least a couple more.

 

Most approach computers as a tool to be used like a dishwasher and treat it as such. Fine for a dell office computer. Not so much for a 5-6k rig running top of the line hardware including a 5090.

 

I swapped my Astral 5090 back in with a clean install to compare against the 9070xt for D2D gaming at 4k. The 9070xt lulled me into a false sense of "this is good!"

 

5090 is obviously superior in every way, but is it $729 vs $3359 superior? Is it $999 5080FE vs $3359 superior?

 

Or is it having the absolute best gaming/benching experience price be damned good?

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Pretty much, yup. Although mine is a fancy older model (2005 Ford Five Hundred SEL AWD) that I bought with like 50K miles on it. And, I drive everything until there is nothing left worth driving and the parts that are worn out cost more than the car is worth. You can get really nice cars for pennies on the dollar after all of the suckers and chumps have taken their losses. When it is worn out (another 200K miles to go) and not worth fixing I will sell it for what I paid for it. Lather, rinse, repeat.

 

This is my philosophy exactly.

 

I only buy used and I drive it till it falls apart. I am driving a 2016 basic Nissan Rogue that I will drive easily for the next 5-6 years or until something catastrophic happens or not worth fixing.

 

I have no qualms with my friends and family that upgrade their cars every three years though. That is their choice.

 

22 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

New Game ready Nvidia driver is out. Who’s trying it? 

 

I'm currently running 576.26 when I gave my system a clean install to put back the Astral 5090 for more testing compared to a clean install Gigabyte 9070xt for realistic D2D use and further cost analysis. I'm leaning towards returning the 5090. Superior in every way and a good bin but the cost whew..... but we'll see tomorrow which card goes back. 

 

What's the newest version?

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

I'm currently running 576.26 when I gave my system a clean install to put back the Astral 5090 for more testing compared to a clean install Gigabyte 9070xt for realistic D2D use and further cost analysis. I'm leaning towards returning the 5090. Superior in every way and a good bin but the cost whew..... but we'll see tomorrow which card goes back. 

 

What's the newest version?

 

uh oooh is the honeymoon phase over? are cooler heads prevailing? cmon bud, cant leave the 5090 club! 😛 

 

edit: preliminary results on the new 9950X3D - welp, so far every limit of the previous CPU is the same,  max. frequency at 7400 Mhz, max. FCLK at 2200, currently checking if my previous profile with tuned timings and voltages is also still valid. if thats the case, ill give it another go with 1:1 max settings, havent tested that yet.

but yeah, definitely time to go binning for RAM kits, if switching out the CPU doesnt change anything... mobo is out of the question tho, hanging onto it!

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

5090 is obviously superior in every way, but is it $729 vs $3359 superior? Is it $999 5080FE vs $3359 superior?

That's where I get stuck. The gap in performance is much smaller than the gap in price. If it is not 4.5 times more powerful it should not be 4.5 times more expensive. If it is I feel like the joke is on me and I'm their little money-making whore.

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Most approach computers as a tool to be used like a dishwasher and treat it as such. Fine for a dell office computer. Not so much for a 5-6k rig running top of the line hardware including a 5090.

 

I swapped my Astral 5090 back in with a clean install to compare against the 9070xt for D2D gaming at 4k. The 9070xt lulled me into a false sense of "this is good!"

 

5090 is obviously superior in every way, but is it $729 vs $3359 superior? Is it $999 5080FE vs $3359 superior?

 

Or is it having the absolute best gaming/benching experience price be damned good?

 

 

This is my philosophy exactly.

 

I only buy used and I drive it till it falls apart. I am driving a 2016 basic Nissan Rogue that I will drive easily for the next 5-6 years or until something catastrophic happens or not worth fixing.

 

I have no qualms with my friends and family that upgrade their cars every three years though. That is their choice.

 

 

I'm currently running 576.26 when I gave my system a clean install to put back the Astral 5090 for more testing compared to a clean install Gigabyte 9070xt for realistic D2D use and further cost analysis. I'm leaning towards returning the 5090. Superior in every way and a good bin but the cost whew..... but we'll see tomorrow which card goes back. 

 

What's the newest version?

 

 

 

Wow! I’m surprised to hear that. I figured you’d be keeping the Astral for the long haul. 

[jaybee83]

2 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Wow! I’m surprised to hear that. I figured you’d be keeping the Astral for the long haul. 

 

just wait for it, as of yet he still got it his hands on it 😉 

[tps3443]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That's where I get stuck. The gap in performance is much smaller than the gap in price. If it is not 4.5 times more powerful it should not be 4.5 times more expensive. If it is I feel like the joke is on me and I'm their little money-making whore.

For years high end PC hardware, in the old days had dimensioning returns. A lot more expensive, for very little gain. I mean, look at the RTX 3080 for $699.99 compared to the RTX 3090 $1,499. Everyone bought a 3090 and it was barely faster stock. The 3080 for less than half the cost was churning out 80-85% the performance. 
 

But lately, the performance gap between 5080 and 5090 is absolutely MASSIVE. It’s like 85% faster sometimes. So on paper the RTX 5090 is double the specs for double the price. If only the 5090 had double the power limit it probably would be double the performance almost all the time. So with the 5080 costing $999, and 5090 costing $1,999, we are getting more value than ever before. Double VRAM, double cuda cores, and nearly double performance in the super heavy loads.
 

I just think the main problem is AIB greed. We can only compare the 5090 Astral MSRP to the 5080 Astral MSRP. So it’s still a similar story there. For double the price of a 5080 Astral, you get double the specs with a 5090 Astral lol. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

For years high end PC hardware, in the old days had dimensioning returns. A lot more expensive, for very little gain. I mean, look at the RTX 3080 for $699.99 compared to the RTX 3090 $1,499. Everyone bought a 3090 and it was barely faster stock. The 3080 for less than half the cost was churning out 80-85% the performance. 
 

But lately, the performance gap between 5080 and 5090 is absolutely MASSIVE. It’s like 85% faster sometimes. So on paper the RTX 5090 is double the specs for double the price. If only the 5090 had double the power limit it probably would be double the performance almost all the time. So with the 5080 costing $999, and 5090 costing $1,999, we are getting more value than ever before. Double VRAM, double cuda cores, and nearly double performance in the super heavy loads.
 

I just think the main problem is AIB greed. We can only compare the 5090 Astral MSRP to the 5080 Astral MSRP. So it’s still a similar story there. For double the price of a 5080 Astral, you get double the specs with a 5090 Astral lol. 

Yeah, the diminishing return when buying flagship products has always been a thing and should be expected. The absolutely ludicrous price gap, and the increase in all models across the board, has never been so over the top and can only be viewed as abusive and nefarious in both nature and scope in the way things are now. The approach they are taking doesn't deserve the consumer cooperation and validation is it receiving, so we are collectively cutting our own throat instead of cutting theirs. They deserve to be financially devastated for their behavior and we just keep giving them reasons to keep doing it and giving them our stamp of approval for them to get worse.

[tps3443]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, the diminishing return when buying flagship products has always been a thing and should be expected. The absolutely ludicrous price gap, and the increase in all models across the board, has never been so over the top and can only be viewed as abusive and nefarious in both nature and scope in the way things are now. The approach they are taking doesn't deserve the consumer cooperation and validation is it receiving, so we are collectively cutting our own throat instead of cutting theirs. They deserve to be financially devastated for their behavior and we just keep giving them reasons to keep doing it and our approval for them get worse.

Flagship is getting fast though, I think Nvidia started opening up the gap with the 4090. I remember the GTX 1080Ti being about 50% faster than a 1070. But here we are with a 5090 that’s three times than a 5070. That is nuts! 🙂

[jaybee83]

41 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

For years high end PC hardware, in the old days had dimensioning returns. A lot more expensive, for very little gain. I mean, look at the RTX 3080 for $699.99 compared to the RTX 3090 $1,499. Everyone bought a 3090 and it was barely faster stock. The 3080 for less than half the cost was churning out 80-85% the performance. 
 

But lately, the performance gap between 5080 and 5090 is absolutely MASSIVE. It’s like 85% faster sometimes. So on paper the RTX 5090 is double the specs for double the price. If only the 5090 had double the power limit it probably would be double the performance almost all the time. So with the 5080 costing $999, and 5090 costing $1,999, we are getting more value than ever before. Double VRAM, double cuda cores, and nearly double performance in the super heavy loads.
 

I just think the main problem is AIB greed. We can only compare the 5090 Astral MSRP to the 5080 Astral MSRP. So it’s still a similar story there. For double the price of a 5080 Astral, you get double the specs with a 5090 Astral lol. 

 

16 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, the diminishing return when buying flagship products has always been a thing and should be expected. The absolutely ludicrous price gap, and the increase in all models across the board, has never been so over the top and can only be viewed as abusive and nefarious in both nature and scope in the way things are now. The approach they are taking doesn't deserve the consumer cooperation and validation is it receiving, so we are collectively cutting our own throat instead of cutting theirs. They deserve to be financially devastated for their behavior and we just keep giving them reasons to keep doing it and our approval for them get worse.

 

what im most worried about is the "value freeze" that MLID has been speculating about recently:

 

basically, just like with the SLI capabilities, Nvidia would go up the stack each year and freeze performance/buck in place vs. the previos gen. in the 40 series they did it with the 60 skus, now with the 50 series the 70 sku provides almost no value increase over last gen.

 

if this gets out of hand and they start stalling the 90 series, were over and done with boiz. imagine intel skylake era 5% bumps with every gen 💩

with only enough reserves to make a bigger bump once AMD comes too close for comfort with their cards....

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Flagship is getting fast though, I think Nvidia started opening up the gap with the 4090. I remember the GTX 1080Ti being about 50% faster than a 1070. But here we are with a 5090 that’s three times than a 5070. That is nuts! 🙂

Flagships are made more attractive by deliberately suppressing and diminishing the performance and value of sub-flagship alternative products. The Green Goblin has already been deliberate about this by restricting PCIe lanes, PCIe bandwidth, memory bandwidth and memory capacity and deliberately castrating those products to make them less desirable. The performance differences are partly real and partly artificial and fabricated.

 

They make the best product that everyone wants absurdly expensive and everything else undesirable and still overpriced. Don't want to pay out the kazoo for our best and most overpriced product? No problem you can spend less on this piece of crap that sells for twice what it is worth instead of four or five times more than it is worth.

 

Just as allowing no good deed to go unpunished is a great way to discourage the continuance of good behavior, rewarding bad behavior effectively guarantees that more will follow.

57 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

 

what im most worried about is the "value freeze" that MLID has been speculating about recently:

 

basically, just like with the SLI capabilities, Nvidia would go up the stack each year and freeze performance/buck in place vs. the previos gen. in the 40 series they did it with the 60 skus, now with the 50 series the 70 sku provides almost no value increase over last gen.

 

if this gets out of hand and they start stalling the 90 series, were over and done with boiz. imagine intel skylake era 5% bumps with every gen 💩

with only enough reserves to make a bigger bump once AMD comes too close for comfort with their cards....

That would suck. Finding a silver lining, we would save money and more closely resemble the "good old days" when you could still beat the latest and greatest with something one or two generations older just by overclocking the crap out of it. The way things are trending, they'll probably block that as much as possible with the evil dictatorship approach to tech.

[electrosoft]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That's where I get stuck. The gap in performance is much smaller than the gap in price. If it is not 4.5 times more powerful it should not be 4.5 times more expensive. If it is I feel like the joke is on me and I'm their little money-making whore.

 

5 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Wow! I’m surprised to hear that. I figured you’d be keeping the Astral for the long haul. 

 

2 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

just wait for it, as of yet he still got it his hands on it 😉 

 

 

Yeah, this is all the day before D day (1st) which was always my set return day since the bill is due a few days after that. 🤣

 

I played WoW for 3hrs last night on the 5090 and noticing all the areas even when flying around that cap out on the 5080 FE and 9070xt vs the 5090 always ready for more or running a few tier 11 solo delves and sitting at frame cap (238fps) most of the time and just ultra silky smooth.

 

Ran some raids in my fixed D2D OC profile with GPU Tweak III and just smooth.....even when fps dipped into the 70s still smooth.....The problem with the WoW engine will always be when all that player data hits in certain moments, your 5090 will perform like a 4070 Super or 9070xt. Same with the 5080FE. There's just nothing you can do about it. The engine CPU physics need to be overhauled badly.

 

Tonight is 3hrs of Fallout76 where the 9070xt is just not good just like the 7900xtx was poor too versus Nvidia. Nothing worse than outdoor bosses and the frames just chunking into the 50s and 40s on AMD vs always 100+ on Nvidia. This will be my first serious session with the 5090 tonight versus running around and benchmarking.....

 

Did I mention how absolutely gorgeous and smooth Deus Ex MD looks on the 5090?

 

Final Analysis:

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9070xt is going back either way as it has strengths in other games but WoW and especially Fallout 76 is not it. Decent 1440p and to an extent 4k WoW card but I can't trust it with AMD/Blizzard history of breaking drivers plus the fact it still crashes on the regular in Classic WoW. Final nail in the coffin is the poor FO76 performance overall versus even a 4070 Super let alone the 5080 FE or 5090. I'm still impressed overall with the price:performance at MSRP. For $600 it is an absolute banger albeit I paid $$771 after tax so back it goes.

 

So then it now comes down to the 5080FE vs the 5090. I know I can sell the 5080FE and make $400 on it so mentally it becomes a $1500 card for resale. I can use that to put an almost 50% dent into the 5090. I know for a fact I can ride the 5090 for a few years and then sell it off and make back the bulk of what I paid and maybe a touch more depending on how this market goes.

 

Therein lies the blessing and the curse with Nvidia cards, especially their halo cards the last few cycles and even AMD and their 5700xt and my 1080ti. I sold ALL of them after a year or two at worse for a tiny profit and some with a hefty one.

 

So either I'm walking into BB tomorrow with ONE card to return or BOTH and I would just continue to rock the 5080FE.

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I know, I know, first world problems to have all three laying around and having to decide which one(s) to keep.... 🤣

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

For years high end PC hardware, in the old days had dimensioning returns. A lot more expensive, for very little gain. I mean, look at the RTX 3080 for $699.99 compared to the RTX 3090 $1,499. Everyone bought a 3090 and it was barely faster stock. The 3080 for less than half the cost was churning out 80-85% the performance. 
 

But lately, the performance gap between 5080 and 5090 is absolutely MASSIVE. It’s like 85% faster sometimes. So on paper the RTX 5090 is double the specs for double the price. If only the 5090 had double the power limit it probably would be double the performance almost all the time. So with the 5080 costing $999, and 5090 costing $1,999, we are getting more value than ever before. Double VRAM, double cuda cores, and nearly double performance in the super heavy loads.
 

I just think the main problem is AIB greed. We can only compare the 5090 Astral MSRP to the 5080 Astral MSRP. So it’s still a similar story there. For double the price of a 5080 Astral, you get double the specs with a 5090 Astral lol. 

 

Nvidia is purposely holding back raw performance in the lower tiers and trying to push AI solutions as an overall "performance package" and that is BS. When Jensen said a 5070 had the performance of a 4090, that was all you needed to hear how they plan to shape the future of gaming advancements as a major piece of their strategy. The fact they and AIBs are trying to "encourage" reviewers to discuss talking points involving upscaling and frame generation. Even trying to discourage some reviewers from discussing comparing the 5000 series mid and lower tier cards vs the 4000 variants but instead focus on 2-3 generation older cards.

 

In the end, Nvidia needs AMD or Intel to drastically step up their game or like @jaybee83 said, we're going to eventually be stuck with marginal cycle upgrades because there's no competition like we had with Skylake++++ until AMD started to wreck them and forced their hand to move quicker which they couldn't and here we are.

 

We need another 6000 AMD series surprise where Nvidia was legitimately caught off guard with the performance of the 6900xtx and it was basically matching the 3090 up to 1440p and only at 4k did the 3090 manage to gain a very small amount of breathing room. Nvidia's only saving grace was their RT performance.

 

I will say as time and drivers move on, the 5090 is widening its lead over the 5080 and 4090 and in some titles it is pretty substantial. I know I didn't expect the 5090 to be that much faster than the 4090 in WoW.

 

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Remember early reports were AIBs weren't making much of a profit because of Nvidia charging so much. You also have to calculate in tariffs as these cards are being made real time versus other companies selling pre-existing stock so the tariffs haven't really "hit" yet but will as levels are depleted and either stock dries up or prices go up (or both).

 

I do know there are now plenty of sane priced combos on Newegg that are languishing since yesterday including some flat out solo cards from Gigabyte and MSI now ready for purchase.

 

What continues to sell out though are Astrals including those $6k combos again.....insane.

 

Speaking of Astrals, nice no holds bar build out with an Astral air and LC unit and comparing performance and temps.

 

Air model performs just as well and better on memory temps overall. To get the same temps (+/- 1c), Rad had to be mounted on the front and used as intake which makes sense. Speaks volumes for the chonker heatsink on this thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

4 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

ultimate gaming PC you say....? 🤔 specs sound somehow familiar 😏

 

soooo the tuned 7400 RAM profile from my previous CPU also works on this once. havent tested if i can tighten up the timings some more tho, jury still out on that.

 

however, i must say the CPU side of things are quite positive. did another baseline run with 1h CB2024 and the new CPU beats the old one in every way!

 

Temps: -4C cooler in Delta T

Fan Speed: -20%(!!!) in rpm for AIO fans / -5% in rpm for case fans (this is at +2C ambient temp vs. old CPU baseline!)

Clocks: +65 Mhz on average across all cores

VCore: -16 mV on avg.

Performance: +1.5% in CB points

 

aight boiz, time to switch to the GPU side of things. need another Alan Wake 2 baseline for the thermal pad mod i did beneath the backplate, then its off to testing various different vBios versions 🙂 

 

btw, my 4090 buyer in Italy just received the card today and did his initial testing: hes a happy camper! 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

ultimate gaming PC you say....? 🤔 specs sound somehow familiar 😏

 

 

Hey! I didn't make the video! I'm just linking it for educational purposes! 🤣

 

3 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

soooo the tuned 7400 RAM profile from my previous CPU also works on this once. havent tested if i can tighten up the timings some more tho, jury still out on that.

 

however, i must say the CPU side of things are quite positive. did another baseline run with 1h CB2024 and the new CPU beats the old one in every way!

 

Temps: -4C cooler in Delta T

Fan Speed: -20%(!!!) in rpm for AIO fans / -5% in rpm for case fans (this is at +2C ambient temp vs. old CPU baseline!)

Clocks: +65 Mhz on average across all cores

VCore: -16 mV on avg.

Performance: +1.5% in CB points

 

aight boiz, time to switch to the GPU side of things. need another Alan Wake 2 baseline for the thermal pad mod i did beneath the backplate, then its off to testing various different vBios versions 🙂 

 

btw, my 4090 buyer in Italy just received the card today and did his initial testing: hes a happy camper! 

 

At least some good news after the dead CPU. Makes me wonder how it would do on a 1DPC board though but everything else looks good!

 

Congrats on the happy buyer too in Italy!