*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[jaybee83]

29 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Hey! I didn't make the video! I'm just linking it for educational purposes! 🤣

 

At least some good news after the dead CPU. Makes me wonder how it would do on a 1DPC board though but everything else looks good!

 

Congrats on the happy buyer too in Italy!

 

its fine, im happy with the new cpu 🙂 besides, the RAM binning will do some good for sure.

cant switch up boards, too dependent on the big fat I/O capabilities. even the X870E Extreme doesnt provide as much candy as this baby. plus it aint available anymore on the market sooo.... no other option for me out there currently.

 

aight, found a nice spot in AW2 that maxes out the power budget right to the 600W limit for the stock vBios and recorder a 1h baseline.

now crossflashed to the Astral LC vBios, bro @Papusan might be interested in those results 😛 

the crossflashing is a bit of a hassle this time around:

 

crossflash - reboot - blackscreen - switch to iGPU - blackscreen but mouse cursor visible - blind password input - desktop visible but without icons - switch to dGPU - normal desktop - reinstall GPU driver - reboot.

 

dunno bout u guys but crossflashing on the 4090 was way easier and faster. but welp, at least it works 🙂 

 

edit: aaaaand the Astral LC vBios is OUT right from the get go 😄 only two out of my three fans can be controlled, the third just stands still. the second is boostet by around 250rpm in the max and the third slows down by -600 rpm. off to the Astral OC then!

[jaybee83]

Astral OC vBios is OUT, cant even install the GPU driver here 😄 

 

at this pace ill be done in no time LOL

 

next up: Gigabyte Master

[Papusan]

6 hours ago, tps3443 said:

But lately, the performance gap between 5080 and 5090 is absolutely MASSIVE. It’s like 85% faster sometimes. So on paper the RTX 5090 is double the specs for double the price. If only the 5090 had double the power limit it probably would be double the performance almost all the time. So with the 5080 costing $999, and 5090 costing $1,999, we are getting more value than ever before. Double VRAM, double cuda cores, and nearly double performance in the super heavy loads.
 

I just think the main problem is AIB greed. We can only compare the 5090 Astral MSRP to the 5080 Astral MSRP. So it’s still a similar story there. For double the price of a 5080 Astral, you get double the specs with a 5090 Astral lol. 

 

Where was the gap between 3080 and 3090? And no more xx80 Ti class. If Nvidia won't make it then we should see the xx90 as the xx80Ti.

 

The performance gap bethween xx80 and xx90 should be equal 1080 vs 1080Ti or 2080 vs 2080Ti. This means Nvidia have crippled the performance for xx80 tier cards. Hence the xx80 is overpriced or the 5090 should be cheaper. No way the 5090 should be 60-85% faster than the next tier cards. Not even if Nvidia released a 5080 Ti. Even with 24GB vram the 5080 should be cheaper/more cores (or 5090 much cheaper). 

 

Feedback on newest drivers from today https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/564384/geforce-grd-57628-feedback-thread-released-43025/

Nvidia RTX 50-series demand drops in Germany — cheapest models of all but RTX 5090 priced at MSRP or lower

5090s are still flying off the shelves everywhere, it seems.

 

See here. 5090 will keep their ugly price. Because creators, AI jockey's will compete with gamers. And China wan't real 5090's to build 48GB GPU's for AI workstations with 3 or more cards.

 

PSU's with 3 or 4 tiny 12v-2*6 connectors is what Nvidia want to see more of.

Silverstone's new PSU can power four RTX 5080 GPUs, or three RTX 5090 cards

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Intel  continue improve their newer processors.... @Mr. Fox

Intel driver update for Lunar Lake chips reportedly improves iGPU FPS by 10%, 1% lows by 25%

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

Astral OC vBios is OUT, cant even install the GPU driver here 😄 

 

at this pace ill be done in no time LOL

 

next up: Gigabyte Master

 

hmmm something funky is going on here. aside from the Astral LC vBios is cant install a gpu driver for any of the vbios versions ive tried. the flashing goes down without a hitch, GPU-Z always shows the correct vendor and vbios version. testsigning is also forced on permanently but nope, installer always stops with an error.

 

will try a restore point now, maybe thatll shake something loose while keeping a vbios.

 

edit: nope, no luck whatsoever. @johnksss got any pointers?

[Papusan]

22 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

hmmm something funky is going on here. aside from the Astral LC vBios is cant install a gpu driver for any of the vbios versions ive tried. the flashing goes down without a hitch, GPU-Z always shows the correct vendor and vbios version. testsigning is also forced on permanently but nope, installer always stops with an error.

 

will try a restore point now, maybe thatll shake something loose while keeping a vbios.

 

Seen several have problems with drivers after xross flashing certain vbios versions. 

 

 

Nice. MSI offer worse quality than Nvidia. Yet they want higher prices. Maybe they should lower the price to match the quality?

MSI's 12V-2x6 adapter for RTXs isn't as high-quality as the original power supply cable, so what's the point?

The case of this MSI RTX 5090 SUPRIM takes on a new shape when we now know that in terms of materials and assembly, the adapter that was sold as the solution to the 12V-2x6 problems by MSI does not even have the quality of the NVIDIA one.

[jaybee83]

5 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Seen several have problems with drivers after xross flashing certain vbios. 

 

 

Nice. MSI offer worse quality than Nvidia. Yet they want higher prices. Maybe they should lower the price to match the quality?

MSI's 12V-2x6 adapter for RTXs isn't as high-quality as the original power supply cable, so what's the point?

The case of this MSI RTX 5090 SUPRIM takes on a new shape when we now know that in terms of materials and assembly, the adapter that was sold as the solution to the 12V-2x6 problems by MSI does not even have the quality of the NVIDIA one.

 

yep ive seen similar user reports with regards to driver problems after cross flashing. but not this wide spread....i just saw that for specific vbios versions. 

 

welp, glad im not using any of the standard included adapters 😄 F that

[jaybee83]

OMG! this is so stupid! LOL 😄 

 

so i flashed back to the stock performance vBios, rebooted and tried to install the driver: again no dice! like....wtf?

 

then i remembered something: sometimes nvidia drivers are behaving funky if theyre located too deep down from the root folder, basically if the path is too long they error out. so i copied the driver folder to C : and bam.....driver installs 😄 

 

aight, back to the starting point then! at least this would be an easy workaround 😛 

[johnksss]

48 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

hmmm something funky is going on here. aside from the Astral LC vBios is cant install a gpu driver for any of the vbios versions ive tried. the flashing goes down without a hitch, GPU-Z always shows the correct vendor and vbios version. testsigning is also forced on permanently but nope, installer always stops with an error.

 

will try a restore point now, maybe thatll shake something loose while keeping a vbios.

 

edit: nope, no luck whatsoever. @johnksss got any pointers?

MSI doesn't like a lot of cross flashing this time. Speculations of course.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Nice. MSI offer worse quality than Nvidia. Yet they want higher prices. Maybe they should lower the price to match the quality?

MSI's 12V-2x6 adapter for RTXs isn't as high-quality as the original power supply cable, so what's the point?

The case of this MSI RTX 5090 SUPRIM takes on a new shape when we now know that in terms of materials and assembly, the adapter that was sold as the solution to the 12V-2x6 problems by MSI does not even have the quality of the NVIDIA one.

 

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

 

 

welp, glad im not using any of the standard included adapters 😄 F that

 

I just run GPU Tweak III w/ its default OC +300/+3000 no voltage adjustments and that's about it w/ the ugly tentacles and pin monitoring. low fan noise, no coil whine just purring away.  It just runs perfectly for me, but as we've seen with MSI, how the hell do you cut corners with the most dangerous part?

 

Like I remind everyone, including myself, "it works perfect!!!" till it doesn't.....

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Hopefully there will be a waterblock for this GPU. I've tried PTM pad, KPx and MX-6 and changed from putty to thermal pads and the temperatures are the same regardless. Memory junction temps are either too high or the sensors are off. 90°C memory temps reminds me of the 3090 when cryptomining and the 6900 XT (which hit 90°C on air or on water). The GPU is boosting to like 3400 on core with -100mV core voltage offset, no core clock offset and default (100%) power limit. Still impressive 4K results for a $700 GPU.

 

 

Edit: so, I got the memory temps down 10°C but hotspot went up a few degrees. I used a thicker pad on the memory chips with higher w/mK rating. The others were making contact, but not being pressed enough to smash the thermal pad hard between the heatsink and chip. I used 0.5mm pads on everything. VRMs and inductors were getting pressed very hard but not the memory, so I replaced the memory thermal pads with 1.0mm 13w/mK pads.

 

So, I am guessing the contact pressure on the die is not as great with the thicker pads on the memory and the pressure on the memory chips is much higher. I may try replacing the screws with springs with regular screws without springs to increase pressure on the die. Definitely an improvement even though hotspot temps increased slightly.

 

Edited 14 hours ago by Mr. Fox
added thicker memory thermal pads.

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

I just run GPU Tweak III w/ its default OC +300/+3000 no voltage adjustments and that's about it w/ the ugly tentacles and pin monitoring. low fan noise, no coil whine just purring away.  It just runs perfectly for me, but as we've seen with MSI, how the hell do you cut corners with the most dangerous part?

 

Like I remind everyone, including myself, "it works perfect!!!" till it doesn't.....

 

 

 

I let me son use my OEM 5090FE dongle with his 3090FE. He’s got a new 2x6 plugged in to 4x8 individual 8 pins lol. (No issues for him of course it’s a 3090FE) Me, I’m running a single Gen 5.1 cable Lian Li cable with the blue safety color, it’s a replica to the Seasonic OEM stuff. This thing doesn’t even get warm. I’ve bought an amp clamp and checked my per wire amperage and they were all really good idle or load. I want to make a video of this process. It’s very cool, but before the amp clamp I a little worried about individual wire amperage spiking way up maybe, I was running blind, don’t have any monitoring like your Astral. So I feel better after checking at least. But a quality DC amp clamp is like $140 dollars man. It’s crazy we gotta do this. I might return it now actually. 🤣

[Mr. Fox]

I sure do like having the tried and true 8-pin x 3 PCIe power cables instead of the chintzy 12VHPWR (aka 2x6 fire-starter) cables. I definitely got the memory temps down to an acceptable level with that last change. Hotspot temps are status quo for Radeon video cards. 

 

This game sucks, but the benchmark sure does use a lot more system memory and CPU resources than most. Right on the heels of 4090 performance in this title. Very acceptable price to performance at half the cost and even decent at 4K. GPU boost clock constantly between 3200 and 3300 MHz with no core offset.

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Hopefully there will be a waterblock for this GPU. I've tried PTM pad, KPx and MX-6 and changed from putty to thermal pads and the temperatures are the same regardless. Memory junction temps are either too high or the sensors are off. 90°C memory temps reminds me of the 3090 when cryptomining and the 6900 XT (which hit 90°C on air or on water). The GPU is boosting to like 3400 on core with -100mV core voltage offset, no core clock offset and default (100%) power limit. Still impressive 4K results for a $700 GPU.

 

 

Edit: so, I got the memory temps down 10°C but hotspot went up a few degrees. I used a thicker pad on the memory chips with higher w/mK rating. The others were making contact, but not being pressed enough to smash the thermal pad hard between the heatsink and chip. I used 0.5mm pads on everything. VRMs and inductors were getting pressed very hard but not the memory, so I replaced the memory thermal pads with 1.0mm 13w/mK pads.

 

So, I am guessing the contact pressure on the die is not as great with the thicker pads on the memory and the pressure on the memory chips is much higher. I may try replacing the screws with springs with regular screws without springs to increase pressure on the die. Definitely an improvement even though hotspot temps increased slightly.

 

 

Are you sitting at 100% utilization during the run? Stock, my Gigabut 9070xt Gaming OC is hitting a bit higher...might be the 9800X3D flexing a bit... I know I uploaded that video of it running through the benchmark:

 

 

 

Those memory temps are about right out of the box. My memory was hitting 90 peak under load too. Hotspot around 85 again out of the box stock:

 

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I let me son use my OEM 5090FE dongle with his 3090FE. He’s got a new 2x6 plugged in to 4x8 individual 8 pins lol. (No issues for him of course it’s a 3090FE) Me, I’m running a single Gen 5.1 cable Lian Li cable with the blue safety color, it’s a replica to the Seasonic OEM stuff. This thing doesn’t even get warm. I’ve bought an amp clamp and checked my per wire amperage and they were all really good idle or load. I want to make a video of this process. It’s very cool, but before the amp clamp I a little worried about individual wire amperage spiking way up maybe, I was running blind, don’t have any monitoring like your Astral. So I feel better after checking at least. But a quality DC amp clamp is like $140 dollars man. It’s crazy we gotta do this. I might return it now actually. 🤣

 

Yeah, just like the 4090 I'm not going to fret over it. I plug it in, do some OC'ing, benchmarking, play my games and if she blows she blows. GPU Tweak III lets me know as I've switched to its OSD. We both know the odds of it blowing are slim to none.

 

(Tonight on the 5090 in Fallout 76):

 

 

https://imgur.com/gzuWJmTo show how poor the 9070xt fairs in this game (but still plays nicely), this same encounter area it was clocking in at 62fps.....

 

But when you find those games and titles that let it stretch its legs, it's got some chops.

 

56 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I sure do like having the tried and true 8-pin x 3 PCIe power cables instead of the chintzy 12VHPWR (aka 2x6 fire-starter) cables. I definitely got the memory temps down to an acceptable level with that last change. Hotspot temps are status quo for Radeon video cards. 

 

This game sucks, but the benchmark sure does use a lot more system memory and CPU resources than most. Right on the heels of 4090 performance in this title. Very acceptable price to performance at half the cost and even decent at 4K. GPU boost clock constantly between 3200 and 3300 MHz with no core offset.

 

 

 

https://imgur.com/gzuWJmT

Seriously, MSRP vs MSRP, 9070xt is an absolute stud. There's a reason AMD can't keep them in stock while AIBs pump them out like crazy while you see 5070s and soon enough 5060ti's start to lag in sales. That's also why you suddenly see Nvidia talking about a 16GB 5070.....

 

And yeah, I did like having those 3x 8-pin cables running.... 😞

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Are you sitting at 100% utilization during the run? Stock, my Gigabut 9070xt Gaming OC is hitting a bit higher...might be the 9800X3D flexing a bit... I know I uploaded that video of it running through the benchmark:

Yes it's at 100% in just about any game. In addition to that X3D thing I do not use PBO. 

[jaybee83]

speaking of vRAM temps: adding TG putty pro to the pcb beneath the backplate over the core and vRAM spots and filling out the rest of the PCB with large sheets of Phobya Ultra 3mm pads i got a reduction of 4C on the vRAM and about 1C on the core. not too shabby 🙂 

 

im including checks for max fan rpms on the Suprim while testing different vBios versions. stock max is 3000 rpm and i must say: even at 100% the noise is not annoying at all, im impressed.

[johnksss]

11 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Seen several have problems with drivers after xross flashing certain vbios versions. 

 

 

Nice. MSI offer worse quality than Nvidia. Yet they want higher prices. Maybe they should lower the price to match the quality?

MSI's 12V-2x6 adapter for RTXs isn't as high-quality as the original power supply cable, so what's the point?

The case of this MSI RTX 5090 SUPRIM takes on a new shape when we now know that in terms of materials and assembly, the adapter that was sold as the solution to the 12V-2x6 problems by MSI does not even have the quality of the NVIDIA one.

You know, I'm starting to think that it's because that cable connector can not handle the heat. As you posted before, the connector needs it's own mini fan. I'm running about 600W to 1000W through that cable and it's sitting at about 20C to 25C right now. 

[jaybee83]

31 minutes ago, johnksss said:

You know, I'm starting to think that it's because that cable connector can not handle the heat. As you posted before, the connector needs it's own mini fan. I'm running about 600W to 1000W through that cable and it's sitting at about 20C to 25C right now. 

 

are u using a fan on the connector? ive also added putty on the connector backside and the cable is exposed to the 140mm fan im using to cool the RAM, so those two factor surely helped with the 4090 and will help with the 5090 now 🙂

 

btw, were back in business! just reflashed and Astral OC vbios and successfully installed drivers. Plan is to test the following:

 

Asus Astral LC (already tested, gonna skip now due to limited fan support on Suprim)

Asus Astral OC

Gigabyte Master

GIgabyte Master ICE (likely no diff to Master, but why not)

Gigabyte Xtreme Waterforce

PNY Epic-X OC

Zotac Amp Extreme Infinity

 

all the other vbios files currently available on TPU arent worth the hassle imo since theyre from reference boards / basic models. i didnt include any MSI vbios since i figured that the Suprim will likely have the best anyways across the MSI stack.

 

will post results once done 🙂 

[Papusan]

49 minutes ago, johnksss said:

You know, I'm starting to think that it's because that cable connector can not handle the heat. As you posted before, the connector needs it's own mini fan. I'm running about 600W to 1000W through that cable and it's sitting at about 20C to 25C right now. 

 

Yup. And not all cards can keep the cable connector equal cold. I'm sure the Zotac card's 12v-2*6 connectors would run even hotter than +80C if stuffed with an worse quality power cable.

 

I'm quite impressed with the cable dongle coming with the 5090 FE. Looks like it's of good quality. And I'm sure Nvidia's engineers have spent long time with it before they chose it for their FE cards. 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

13 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

ive also added putty on the connector backside

Can you explain or photo what you mean? I am trying to picture this and can't imagine where you applied the putty.

[johnksss]

12 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

are u using a fan on the connector? ive also added putty on the connector backside and the cable is exposed to the 140mm fan im using to cool the RAM, so those two factor surely helped with the 4090 and will help with the 5090 now 🙂

 

btw, were back in business! just reflashed and Astral OC vbios and successfully installed drivers. Plan is to test the following:

 

Asus Astral LC (already tested, gonna skip now due to limited fan support on Suprim)

Asus Astral OC

Gigabyte Master

GIgabyte Master ICE (likely no diff to Master, but why not)

Gigabyte Xtreme Waterforce

PNY Epic-X OC

Zotac Amp Extreme Infinity

 

all the other vbios files currently available on TPU arent worth the hassle imo since theyre from reference boards / basic models. i didnt include any MSI vbios since i figured that the Suprim will likely have the best anyways across the MSI stack.

 

will post results once done 🙂 

Gigabyte Xtreme Waterforce seems to be the best one.

Have not tried the Astral OC as of yet.

[johnksss]

12 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Yup. And not all cards can keep the cable connector equal cold. I'm sure the Zotac card's 12v-12*6 connectors would run even hotter than +80C if stuffed with an worse quality power cable.

 

I'm quite impressed with the cable dongle coming with the 5090 FE. Looks like it's of good quality. And I'm sure Nvidia have spent time with it before they chose it for their FE cards. 

 

 

 

Yes, but once it gets put into an enclosed case that cable starts to retain heat and keep going up from there. I keep checking mine because it's sitting right here in an open test bench. This may have been helping me all this time, who knows, but haven't had an issue with the cable because it's always had a fan on it at some point or another.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/pr/3403154

https://www.3dmark.com/sw/2206504

https://www.3dmark.com/sn/5680715

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, johnksss said:

Yes, but once it gets put into an enclosed case that cable starts to retain heat and keep going up from there. I keep checking mine because it's sitting right here in an open test bench. This may have been helping me all this time, who knows, but haven't had an issue with the cable because it's always had a fan on it at some point or another.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/pr/3403154

https://www.3dmark.com/sw/2206504

https://www.3dmark.com/sn/5680715

 

Yup. Use the card in an cramped box with not the best airflow and you live in a place with higher ambient temp inside home (AC can do so much) and temps will start creep upwards. Add some weird power balancing for the pins (even perfect insert  can make weird power balancing for the pins) and you see where it goes. Of course we will see more melted cards not from user errors but from bad engineering. Or quality issues. Sad seeing so called enthusiasts always blame the end users.

[Mr. Fox]

24 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Yes, but once it gets put into an enclosed case that cable starts to retain heat and keep going up from there. I keep checking mine because it's sitting right here in an open test bench. This may have been helping me all this time, who knows, but haven't had an issue with the cable because it's always had a fan on it at some point or another.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/pr/3403154

https://www.3dmark.com/sw/2206504

https://www.3dmark.com/sn/5680715

I use a WireView on my 4090 Suprim and the 4090 GB GPU that I sold. I have never felt the cable or the wireview feel warm  to the touch using the WireView. I think it acts as a heat sink as well.

10 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Of course we will see more melted cards not from user errors but from bad engineering. 

Absolutely. The Green Goblin is so obstinate and unwilling to apologize or admit when they make mistakes that they continue pushing the use of this piece of crap connector type. Another example, among many, of a product manufacturer not caring about their products or the people that purchase them.

[johnksss]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I use a WireView on my 4090 Suprim and the 4090 GB GPU that I sold. I have never felt the cable or the wireview feel warm  to the touch using the WireView. I think it acts as a heat sink as well.

Absolutely. The Green Goblin is so obstinate and unwilling to apologize or admit when they make mistakes that they continue pushing the use of this piece of crap connector type. Another example, among many, of a product manufacturer not caring about their products or the people that purchase them.

My wireview will be here today as a matter of fact.

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, johnksss said:

My wireview will be here today as a matter of fact.

Awesome. I really like them. In fact, just about anything Roman makes or particpates in meets my approval. Really smart guy, and apparently pretty financially well-off. The WireView doesn't fit every application and not everyone can use it. Too much variance in connector placement and heatsink design. It just barely works with the Bykski 4090 block and I will have to find out if it will fit with the Core waterblock. In fact, I had to file down a sharp corner on the Bykski block acrylic adjacent to the 12VHWPR so it could properly plug into the socket and latch. That would have been a melt due to improper seating had I not done that.

 

I also prefer the round 12VHPWR cable like the one that came with my TT GF3 1650W PSU. The flat cables look better but they are not friendly whenever lateral curves are needed. With a flat cable bending up and down is fine. Left and right, not so much. Hard on the cable and connector and frustrating for the PC owner.