*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[johnksss]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Awesome. I really like them. In fact, just about anything Roman makes or particpates in meets my approval. Really smart guy, and apparently pretty financially well-off. The WireView doesn't fit every application and not everyone can use it. Too much variance in connector placement and heatsink design. It just barely works with the Bykski 4090 block and I will have to find out if it will fit with the Core waterblock. In fact, I had to file down a sharp corner on the Bykski block acrylic adjacent to the 12VHWPR so it could properly plug into the socket and latch. That would have been a melt due to improper seating had I not done that.

 

I also prefer the round 12VHPWR cable like the one that came with my TT GF3 1650W PSU. The flat cables look better but they are not friendly whenever lateral curves are needed. With a flat cable bending up and down is fine. Left and right, not so much. Hard on the cable and connector and frustrating for the PC owner.

Might need to find a really good extension add-on for those types of situations.

 

I also have a core block on order. Hopefully, it will get here this year. LOL

 

Also trying to get another TT GF3 1650W as well. I had picked up one for a customer and now i regret not getting a second one for myself.🤦‍♂️ I had one before, but traded it in for the 1300 MSI, but now i'm noticing that it's GPU 12V rails are dropping pretty low and I don't want to chance it so i'm running my 1600W EVGA unit now. And now I'm regretting the decision as well. Trading my 1650 for the 1300 MSI.

 

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Can you explain or photo what you mean? I am trying to picture this and can't imagine where you applied the putty.

 

sure thing, lemme grab two of the pics i initially took to illustrate, pretty straight forward actually: 

 

with the card installed in standard horizontal orientation, the power socket is on the underside of the PCB. at stock, there is a thermal pad placed on the pcb backside directly on top of the connector, with the pad connecting to the metal backplate (red circles). ive removed the pad and used two 30g TG putty pro batches to fill out the gaps over the core, vRAM and the power connector, all tracing a coherent line and connecting them (blue circles). then i just slapped Phobya Ultra 3mm thermal pad sheets onto the rest of the PCB backside where there was still enough space (indigo circles).

 

sorry for the amateurish illustration, just a quick n dirty thing to provide some visuals 😄 

 

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Gigabyte Xtreme Waterforce seems to be the best one.

Have not tried the Astral OC as of yet.

 

noice, ill keep an eye out for that one then!

finished Astral OC, same issue as with the LC namely that only 2 fans can be controlled. although in this case the max. speed is faster than stock for both at around 3200-3400 rpm.

also just finished the Gigabyte Master, first success here with full control for all three fans 🙂 now off to the Master ICE.

 

55 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Awesome. I really like them. In fact, just about anything Roman makes or particpates in meets my approval. Really smart guy, and apparently pretty financially well-off. The WireView doesn't fit every application and not everyone can use it. Too much variance in connector placement and heatsink design. It just barely works with the Bykski 4090 block and I will have to find out if it will fit with the Core waterblock. In fact, I had to file down a sharp corner on the Bykski block acrylic adjacent to the 12VHWPR so it could properly plug into the socket and latch. That would have been a melt due to improper seating had I not done that.

 

I also prefer the round 12VHPWR cable like the one that came with my TT GF3 1650W PSU. The flat cables look better but they are not friendly whenever lateral curves are needed. With a flat cable bending up and down is fine. Left and right, not so much. Hard on the cable and connector and frustrating for the PC owner.

 

haha yep i recently had to chuckle when i realized that my desk was filled with Thermal Grizzly stuff 😄 its not that im a fanboy, i always compare a product type from all vendors, but TG usually ends up at the top of the wishlist due to a combo of pricing, performance and availability. Roman sure knows his stuff! and while he might be financially well-off, i dont envy him. hes basically a workaholic, working 7 days a week and has taken maybe 1 vacation in the past 5 years or so. hes also had a near miss with burnout couple of years ago, one of the reasons he dialed back a bit and left Caseking. 

[electrosoft]

B&H sent me an update on a launch day PNY 5090 I had queued up for $2199.99. Still unavailable, but the price is now $3399.99.

 

This is the official MSRP now on this card as of last week.

 

Sheesh.

 

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3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes it's at 100% in just about any game. In addition to that X3D thing I do not use PBO. 

 

 

Yeah, for this run I'm not using CO just a +200 boost and tuned SOC. I haven't gone back in to recheck my offsets since testing out 1203 which is proving to be worse than 1104 (I think I mention it in the video). I did see 1303 just dropped and in the notes it says, "improves system performance," which is sometimes Asus speak for, "our last version regressed."

 

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2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

are u using a fan on the connector? ive also added putty on the connector backside and the cable is exposed to the 140mm fan im using to cool the RAM, so those two factor surely helped with the 4090 and will help with the 5090 now 🙂

 

btw, were back in business! just reflashed and Astral OC vbios and successfully installed drivers. Plan is to test the following:

 

Asus Astral LC (already tested, gonna skip now due to limited fan support on Suprim)

Asus Astral OC

Gigabyte Master

GIgabyte Master ICE (likely no diff to Master, but why not)

Gigabyte Xtreme Waterforce

PNY Epic-X OC

Zotac Amp Extreme Infinity

 

all the other vbios files currently available on TPU arent worth the hassle imo since theyre from reference boards / basic models. i didnt include any MSI vbios since i figured that the Suprim will likely have the best anyways across the MSI stack.

 

will post results once done 🙂 

 

Everyone is hooked on the Gigabyte vroom vroom right now over on the OC forums, but it will be nice to see testing them all on your Suprim what emerges as top dog.

 

 

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

B&H sent me an update on a launch day PNY 5090 I had queued up for $2199.99. Still unavailable, but the price is now $3399.99.

 

This is the official MSRP now on this card as of last week.

 

Sheesh.

 

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Yeah, for this run I'm not using CO just a +200 boost and tuned SOC. I haven't gone back in to recheck my offsets since testing out 1203 which is proving to be worse than 1104 (I think I mention it in the video). I did see 1303 just dropped and in the notes it says, "improves system performance," which is sometimes Asus speak for, "our last version regressed."

 

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Everyone is hooked on the Gigabyte vroom vroom right now over on the OC forums, but it will be nice to see testing them all on your Suprim what emerges as top dog.

 

 

 

done with the two gigabyte master vbioses, now on the Xtreme Waterforce. first thing i noticed: HWInfo only shows 1 fan vs. standard 3 but all three fans can be controlled as one and are spinning. however, max. rpm is only 1800 vs. 3000 at stock. lets see how that pans out under load. it "should" be fine since so far on automatic fan curve ive only seen up to 1600-1750 rpm max. under max. load.

most interesting aspect will be power usage ofc. on to further testing!

[jaybee83]

hm dont like what i saw with the xtreme waterforce vbios. while the significantly lower rpm might free up a bit of wattage for the core and vram, temps shot up by 10C, in turn lowering clocks and voltages across the board. thats not really helpful...

 

currently testing the PNY Epic-X vbios, all three fans functional and maxing out at 3150-3400 rpm, pretty nice. thats two fans at 3150 and one at 3400. iirc the epic-x sports two larger and one central smaller fan, so that makes sense.

 

preliminary conclusions thus far: barely any difference between the vbios versions when it comes to avg. and max. wattages and resulting performance. basically all inside error / ambient temp. fluctuations. the only ones that stand out are the ones where the fans cannot be fully controlled, i.e. 2 out of three functional (Astral LC/OC) or very low max rpm (Xtreme Waterforce).

 

after the PNY comes the Zotac Amp Extreme, then back to the stock Surpim to rerun the baseline with the updated drivers (576.28). 

 

so far not really sure what peeps are raving about with regards to Gigabyte vbios versions. granted, coming from a base model card, flashing the Master or Suprim vbios would give you a nice bump in stock performance due to a higher shifted V/F curve. but when overclocking to the same max. frequency and running into the power limit, differences are basically non-existent.

btw can confirm that max. and avg. core voltages are unaffected by vbios, only dependant on type of load, temperature and available power budget.

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

sure thing, lemme grab two of the pics i initially took to illustrate, pretty straight forward actually: 

Thank you. That makes perfect sense now where you placed it so the connector can shed its heat onto the backplate.

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

This is the official MSRP now on this card as of last week.

Yikes. That is just too stupid for words, LOL. As they say in the deep south, "well, bless their heart" (which is not a kind thing to say).

  

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Yeah, for this run I'm not using CO just a +200 boost and tuned SOC. I haven't gone back in to recheck my offsets since testing out 1203 which is proving to be worse than 1104 (I think I mention it in the video). I did see 1303 just dropped and in the notes it says, "improves system performance," which is sometimes Asus speak for, "our last version regressed."

I have CCD0 set for 55x and CCD1 set for 54x. I can't seem to get the ASUS hybrid overclock thing to work right. It's works pretty well on the AORUS Master, but not the Gene. PBO will go up to like 58x or 59x on a few cores and that 400 MHz difference is enough to be measurable in a game that only uses a few cores and threads at a time. Since it is not benching competition it doesn't matter much unless the FPS difference is too low for a good gaming experience.