*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

AMD is making 32 core Ryzen? I don't think so. They're changing to 12 core CCD, meaning max 24 cores 48 threads. 

 

Intel has already got the LPE cores (see useless cores for desktop) figured out. They've been using them since Meteor Lake laptops. I recently had a 285H laptop that had 2 LPEs and they worked only when watching something full screen on battery. They do a great job to extend the life of the battery when just doing media consumption. So not worthless for a laptop. But unless something changes (and it might) for Nova Lake, they cannot be used for heavy tasks, even if you try to force them on. Although, like I said, it might change and they might be usable for Nova Lake desktop. 

 

But back to the point, it's already been figured out on the scheduler side. Also this is like the 6th gen of disaggregated hybrid CPU for Intel. The scheduler works pretty great at this point, I have yet to see many if any issues with Arrow Lake scheduling. 

 

Nova Lake with 48 cores, no HT, is likely going to wipe the floor with a 48 thread Ryzen in Multithreading. 24 threads on Arrow Lake already compete with 32 threads on Zen 5. With thread parity, I don't see it going well for AMD. Not to mention the E cores just continue to get better and better each gen. If they do happen to get all 52 cores working together, it won't even be close IMO. 

I can see them being useful for turdbook battery life. I am glad I no longer have much use for laptops. PC life is way better without them. I literally never waste a minute of my life thinking or caring about mobile trash any more. The whole  concept that mobile computing is built around is perma-broken and undesirable to me now.

 

IMHO these crappy smartphone cores have no acceptable place in a desktop CPU. They need to get rid of them entirely,ditch the chiplets/tiled crap, bring back hyperthreading and AVX-512, and stop burning calories making something stupid better than (not as crappy as) it used to be. 

 

It would take almost no effort for Intel to soundly beat any Ryzen 9 CPU by a large margin and make the gap too wide for any possibility of AMD being able to keep up if they did that. It is already close in spite of the Atom core garbage gumming up the works for Intel.  Being close in spite of them isn't a win for Intel. It is just a lame excuse for a half-assed way of doing things. Close only counts in a game of horseshoes.

[Talon]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I can see them being useful for turdbook battery life. I am glad I no longer have much use for laptops. PC life is way better without them. I literally never waste a minute of my life thinking or caring about mobile trash any more. 

 

IMHO these crappy smartphone cores have no acceptable place in a desktop CPU. They need to get rid of them entirely,ditch the chiplets/tiled crap, bring back hyperthreading and AVX-512, and stop burning calories making something stupid better than (not as crappy as) it used to be. 

 

It would take almost no effort for Intel to soundly beat any Ryzen 9 CPU by a large margin and make the gap too wide for any possibility of AMD being able to keep up if they did that. It is already close in spite of the Atom core garbage gumming up the works for Intel.  Being close in spite of them isn't a win for Intel. It is just a lame excuse for a half-assed way of doing things. Close only counts in a game of horseshoes.

AVX512 is coming back to

Nova Lake. Except it’s the next gen called AVX10. 
 

Unfortunately HT is gone I think. 

[Papusan]

 

$2000 down the drain due China's hunger for parts for AI server cards. There is nothing called cheap 5090's. Some people will never learn from others mistakes.

 

[electrosoft]

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

China have 1/3 of the GPU market. I expect the 5090DD is in work. That means the production of 5090 will drop. Forget real price drop for 5090 cards. I expect the inflated MSRP level will continue.  There is no reason you can't buy any 5090's at Asus US Store. So I expect they already are in work make ready castrated 5090's for the China market.

 

NVIDIA to launch GeForce RTX 5090DD for Chinese market with GB202-240 GPU and 24GB memory

 

It doesn't change anything. You are not going to compel those who do not want to spend $2.6k+ for a GPU to spend it just because the prices won't come down to sanity.

 

If the end game is AIBs slow production for the USA to keep prices inflated, so be it but it doesn't change the basic laws of price driven demand.

 

There's a disconnect somewhere when Astrals are continuing to come into stock into retailers but not the Asus store.  Even BB gets them on the regular and many MC's are sitting on them (and just about every other AIB model).

 

 

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Time will tell...

 

 

I was reading up on this earlier. Intel w/ 16 P-cores and 32 E-cores? Yes please.

 

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

For the same reason I question any benefit to a dual CCD X3D CPU unless you only care about gaming, and if gaming is what you do and care about then just buy a single CCD X3D. Having the second CCD needing to be managed by Windoze is an Achilles Heel. The Winduhz scheduler needing to be in control of anything is like a bad apple spoiling the entire barrel. Relying on the OS to do anything is always a bad idea. Almost guaranteed it is going to suck if it relies upon Windoez to do anything in order to make it work.

 

I didn't even bother using schedulers. Literally less than two minutes on boot to just turn off the non 3D CCD in BIOS and reap the benefits of the binned 3D CCD. Game all I wanted then turn the other back on as needed.

 

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Looks like B&H finally has stock on 9070 XT and for not-scalper pricing. This won't last long. It's the only model available.

 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1872844-REG/asus_prime_rx9070xt_o16g_radeon_rx_9070_xt.html

 

Was the price always $769.99? Because that is what it is now which isn't great when $729.99 Gaming OC's come into stock somewhat regularly on BB and $699 Steel Legends pop up on MC.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Was the price always $769.99? Because that is what it is now which isn't great when $729.99 Gaming OC's come into stock somewhat regularly on BB and $699 Steel Legends pop up on MC.

Yeah, that has pretty much been the non-scalper price since launch day. Everything is overpriced, but anecotally it seems the Elite is slightly better than the Gaming OC. The whole PC enthusiast space is in a sadder state than I have ever seen it. Things have been circling the drain for a long time. Things started to get crappy with the crypto-craze and have never gotten better. It has never been so difficult to find satisfaction with the products available for purchase across all brands.

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I was reading up on this earlier. Intel w/ 16 P-cores and 32 E-cores? Yes please.

I am having my first and only acceptable experience with AMD products right now. While I have to admit that it is not thrilling, it's nice to not be enraged by the magnitude of the unacceptableness I found in prior generation Ryzen and Radeon products. They have come a very long way, but overall still prefer Intel and NVIDIA when all things are as they should be. The problem now is that nothing is as it should be. AMD is still rough around the edges and it still seems like their target market is cost-conscious gamerboys and not overclocking enthusiasts.

 

Setting aside preferences and product superiority, I feel like I am done getting screwed with overpriced NVIDIA crap and I'm probably not going back to Intel until they ditch the smartphone core filth. It feels like everything is crappy and compromised now, so shopping based on price is probably the only intelligent approach to take at this point. I don't think I would be particularly happy with anything available for purchase right now. The best  things we can buy now are grossly overpriced and lackluster, representing the poorest value and shoddiest  engineering and QC that we have ever seen that I can remember. Overpaying to get something awesome is not ideal, but I resigned myself to that reality. You didn't feel like you were getting screwed as hard as we are now and getting something that was actually pretty awesome helped in terms of dealing with the undesirable pricing. But things have gotton worse. Overpaying to get mediocre crap (the current state) is unacceptable. It is sobering to think that the bad new days we are living in right now might later be viewed as the good old days. Just thinking about it that way is a bit gut-wrenching.

 

@jaybee83 I found my old screenshots from the Gene. Here they are next to the other screenshots. 

Interesting to see the variance between motherboards on the two SP118 CPUs. This doesn't inspire much confidence in SP ratings for Ryzen. Neither does what I have heard about the SP rating being reported higher if the BIOS is flashed with the CPU is warmer. I'm not sure whether putting as much stock in it as Intel makes good sense on AMD. Seems a little sketchy and unreliable to me.