*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

AMD is making 32 core Ryzen? I don't think so. They're changing to 12 core CCD, meaning max 24 cores 48 threads. 

 

Intel has already got the LPE cores (see useless cores for desktop) figured out. They've been using them since Meteor Lake laptops. I recently had a 285H laptop that had 2 LPEs and they worked only when watching something full screen on battery. They do a great job to extend the life of the battery when just doing media consumption. So not worthless for a laptop. But unless something changes (and it might) for Nova Lake, they cannot be used for heavy tasks, even if you try to force them on. Although, like I said, it might change and they might be usable for Nova Lake desktop. 

 

But back to the point, it's already been figured out on the scheduler side. Also this is like the 6th gen of disaggregated hybrid CPU for Intel. The scheduler works pretty great at this point, I have yet to see many if any issues with Arrow Lake scheduling. 

 

Nova Lake with 48 cores, no HT, is likely going to wipe the floor with a 48 thread Ryzen in Multithreading. 24 threads on Arrow Lake already compete with 32 threads on Zen 5. With thread parity, I don't see it going well for AMD. Not to mention the E cores just continue to get better and better each gen. If they do happen to get all 52 cores working together, it won't even be close IMO. 

I can see them being useful for turdbook battery life. I am glad I no longer have much use for laptops. PC life is way better without them. I literally never waste a minute of my life thinking or caring about mobile trash any more. The whole  concept that mobile computing is built around is perma-broken and undesirable to me now.

 

IMHO these crappy smartphone cores have no acceptable place in a desktop CPU. They need to get rid of them entirely,ditch the chiplets/tiled crap, bring back hyperthreading and AVX-512, and stop burning calories making something stupid better than (not as crappy as) it used to be. 

 

It would take almost no effort for Intel to soundly beat any Ryzen 9 CPU by a large margin and make the gap too wide for any possibility of AMD being able to keep up if they did that. It is already close in spite of the Atom core garbage gumming up the works for Intel.  Being close in spite of them isn't a win for Intel. It is just a lame excuse for a half-assed way of doing things. Close only counts in a game of horseshoes.

[Talon]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I can see them being useful for turdbook battery life. I am glad I no longer have much use for laptops. PC life is way better without them. I literally never waste a minute of my life thinking or caring about mobile trash any more. 

 

IMHO these crappy smartphone cores have no acceptable place in a desktop CPU. They need to get rid of them entirely,ditch the chiplets/tiled crap, bring back hyperthreading and AVX-512, and stop burning calories making something stupid better than (not as crappy as) it used to be. 

 

It would take almost no effort for Intel to soundly beat any Ryzen 9 CPU by a large margin and make the gap too wide for any possibility of AMD being able to keep up if they did that. It is already close in spite of the Atom core garbage gumming up the works for Intel.  Being close in spite of them isn't a win for Intel. It is just a lame excuse for a half-assed way of doing things. Close only counts in a game of horseshoes.

AVX512 is coming back to

Nova Lake. Except it’s the next gen called AVX10. 
 

Unfortunately HT is gone I think. 

[Papusan]

 

$2000 down the drain due China's hunger for parts for AI server cards. There is nothing called cheap 5090's. Some people will never learn from others mistakes.

 

[electrosoft]

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

China have 1/3 of the GPU market. I expect the 5090DD is in work. That means the production of 5090 will drop. Forget real price drop for 5090 cards. I expect the inflated MSRP level will continue.  There is no reason you can't buy any 5090's at Asus US Store. So I expect they already are in work make ready castrated 5090's for the China market.

 

NVIDIA to launch GeForce RTX 5090DD for Chinese market with GB202-240 GPU and 24GB memory

 

It doesn't change anything. You are not going to compel those who do not want to spend $2.6k+ for a GPU to spend it just because the prices won't come down to sanity.

 

If the end game is AIBs slow production for the USA to keep prices inflated, so be it but it doesn't change the basic laws of price driven demand.

 

There's a disconnect somewhere when Astrals are continuing to come into stock into retailers but not the Asus store.  Even BB gets them on the regular and many MC's are sitting on them (and just about every other AIB model).

 

 

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Time will tell...

 

 

I was reading up on this earlier. Intel w/ 16 P-cores and 32 E-cores? Yes please.

 

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

For the same reason I question any benefit to a dual CCD X3D CPU unless you only care about gaming, and if gaming is what you do and care about then just buy a single CCD X3D. Having the second CCD needing to be managed by Windoze is an Achilles Heel. The Winduhz scheduler needing to be in control of anything is like a bad apple spoiling the entire barrel. Relying on the OS to do anything is always a bad idea. Almost guaranteed it is going to suck if it relies upon Windoez to do anything in order to make it work.

 

I didn't even bother using schedulers. Literally less than two minutes on boot to just turn off the non 3D CCD in BIOS and reap the benefits of the binned 3D CCD. Game all I wanted then turn the other back on as needed.

 

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Looks like B&H finally has stock on 9070 XT and for not-scalper pricing. This won't last long. It's the only model available.

 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1872844-REG/asus_prime_rx9070xt_o16g_radeon_rx_9070_xt.html

 

Was the price always $769.99? Because that is what it is now which isn't great when $729.99 Gaming OC's come into stock somewhat regularly on BB and $699 Steel Legends pop up on MC.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Was the price always $769.99? Because that is what it is now which isn't great when $729.99 Gaming OC's come into stock somewhat regularly on BB and $699 Steel Legends pop up on MC.

Yeah, that has pretty much been the non-scalper price since launch day. Everything is overpriced, but anecotally it seems the Elite is slightly better than the Gaming OC. The whole PC enthusiast space is in a sadder state than I have ever seen it. Things have been circling the drain for a long time. Things started to get crappy with the crypto-craze and have never gotten better. It has never been so difficult to find satisfaction with the products available for purchase across all brands.

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I was reading up on this earlier. Intel w/ 16 P-cores and 32 E-cores? Yes please.

I am having my first and only acceptable experience with AMD products right now. While I have to admit that it is not thrilling, it's nice to not be enraged by the magnitude of the unacceptableness I found in prior generation Ryzen and Radeon products. They have come a very long way, but overall still prefer Intel and NVIDIA when all things are as they should be. The problem now is that nothing is as it should be. AMD is still rough around the edges and it still seems like their target market is cost-conscious gamerboys and not overclocking enthusiasts.

 

Setting aside preferences and product superiority, I feel like I am done getting screwed with overpriced NVIDIA crap and I'm probably not going back to Intel until they ditch the smartphone core filth. It feels like everything is crappy and compromised now, so shopping based on price is probably the only intelligent approach to take at this point. I don't think I would be particularly happy with anything available for purchase right now. The best  things we can buy now are grossly overpriced and lackluster, representing the poorest value and shoddiest  engineering and QC that we have ever seen that I can remember. Overpaying to get something awesome is not ideal, but I resigned myself to that reality. You didn't feel like you were getting screwed as hard as we are now and getting something that was actually pretty awesome helped in terms of dealing with the undesirable pricing. But things have gotton worse. Overpaying to get mediocre crap (the current state) is unacceptable. It is sobering to think that the bad new days we are living in right now might later be viewed as the good old days. Just thinking about it that way is a bit gut-wrenching.

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On a cheerier note, the bare die temps on the 9950X are still pretty amazing. Look at what nice load temps, even with my hot ambient. This was the peak during two back-to-back passes of CBR23.

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@jaybee83 I found my old screenshots from the Gene. Here they are next to the other screenshots. 

Interesting to see the variance between motherboards on the two SP118 CPUs. This doesn't inspire much confidence in SP ratings for Ryzen. Neither does what I have heard about the SP rating being reported higher if the BIOS is flashed with the CPU is warmer. I'm not sure whether putting as much stock in it as Intel makes good sense on AMD. Seems a little sketchy and unreliable to me.

 

 

[Papusan]

 

Intel don't need as many factory workers if they prefer buy the silicon from TSMC. Bring back the manufacturing to the US, LOL 

 

And you don't need as many factory workers if your products is so bad that consumers prefer something else/or skip gen upgrades due same reasons (I look at me myself). 

 

Intel layoff plans will see a 20% reduction in semiconductor factory workers

Intel has reportedly told its employees that the company plans to lay off between 15% and 20% of its employees from its chip manufacturing division, with more job cuts planned down the line.

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Intel don't need as many factory workers if they prefer buy the silicon from TSMC. Bring back the manufacturing to the US, LOL 

 

Intel layoff plans will see a 20% reduction in semiconductor factory workers

Intel has reportedly told its employees that the company plans to lay off between 15% and 20% of its employees from its chip manufacturing division, with more job cuts planned down the line.

 

 

 

TSME has plants in the US already. They are building a new one here in Phoenix. We have Intel, AMD, TSME and Motorola plants in the area in and around Phoenix.

[Papusan]

15 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

TSME has plants in the US already. They are building a new one here in Phoenix. We have Intel, AMD, TSME and Motorola plants in the area in and around Phoenix.

 

Yep. To serve the US market. This is on top of what they produce in Asia (the majority of production). Intel get rid of their employees. That don't increase good paid factory workers in US. One step forwards and one step backwards.

 

Maybe this will be the new jobs for former Intel and Microsoft employees?😀 Yup, bring back the jobs...

[Mr. Fox]

12 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Yep. To serve the US market. This is on top of what they produce in Asia (the majority of production). Intel get rid of their employees. That don't increase good paid factory workers in US. One step forwards and one stap back.

 

Maybe this will be the new jobs from former Intel employees?😀

I think Intel has problems created by poor leadership and bad choices they have made at Intel that have nothing to do with the global economy. Even if everything was peachy on the world stage I think they would still be in exactly the same boat. I hope NVIDIA is next. They need to be pulled off of their high horse.

[tps3443]

Thermal pads just showed up. 5090FE block says 6/20 delivery via FedEx. 
 

These are pads are an amazing deal.

 

Cost= $23.99 for 200x200mm (1.0mm thick) 

Cost= $25.99 for 200x200mm (2.0mm thick) 

Total cost $50 for Thermal Grizzly Advance 400x400mm in thermal pads seems like a good deal. 
 

[Mr. Fox]

30 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Thermal pads just showed up. 5090FE block says 6/20 delivery via FedEx. 
 

These are pads are an amazing deal.

 

Cost= $23.99 for 200x200mm (1.0mm thick) 

Cost= $25.99 for 200x200mm (2.0mm thick) 

Total cost $50 for Thermal Grizzly Advance 400x400mm in thermal pads seems like a good deal. 
 

Thermal Grizzly products are pretty great overall. For 200x200 pads of that quality the price seems reasonable to me. I think that is generally true of the pricing of most of what they sell. It's never cheap but always good quality and appropriately priced.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thermal Grizzly products are pretty great overall. For 200x200 pads of that quality the price seems reasonable to me. I think that is generally true of the pricing of most of what they sell. It's never cheap but always good quality and appropriately priced.

 

Thermal Grizzly products is often produced in Germany. Hence it has to cost more. But if they use factories in China for etc thermal pads they should have been cheaper. But as we know... They put the price point equal/or closer to other companies that offer high quality products. Same as with AMD... They try to put the prices close to their competitors products. Not what they should cost (mostly more expensive than needed). This way they can make higher margins on some items. Just copycat the competitors price level.

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thermal Grizzly products are pretty great overall. For 200x200 pads of that quality the price seems reasonable to me. I think that is generally true of the pricing of most of what they sell. It's never cheap but always good quality and appropriately priced.

 

13 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Thermal Grizzly products is often produced in Germany. Hence it has to cost more. But if they use factories in China for etc thermal pads they should have been cheaper. But as we know... They put the price point equal/orr closer to other companies that offer high quality products. Same as with AMD... They try to put the prices close to their competitors products. Not what they should cost (mostly more expensive than needed). This way they can make higher margins on some items. 

These pads seem excellent. This is a new product for 2025 from Thermal Grizzly. I have no W/mk rating on these. It’s just Basic/Advanced/Pro levels. I went with Advanced. They feel very soft. I have used cheap blue Chinese 8w/mk thermal pads with amazing results before.

 

For the price it seems very good if you buy one you really get two packs. So it’s really $12 for 100x100mm. 
 

They are black so you won’t see them against black FE PCB from the side. (always disliked that with colored pads) Also, these pads feel very soft.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Thermal pads just showed up. 5090FE block says 6/20 delivery via FedEx. 
 

These are pads are an amazing deal.

 

Cost= $23.99 for 200x200mm (1.0mm thick) 

Cost= $25.99 for 200x200mm (2.0mm thick) 

Total cost $50 for Thermal Grizzly Advance 400x400mm in thermal pads seems like a good deal. 
 

 

It's getting close! Looking forward to results late tomorrow when I get back from a night on the town with the wife and daughter!

 

@tps3443 tomorrow waiting for FedEx 🤣

 

 

And that is good pricing!

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

17 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I have used cheap blue Chinese 8w/mk thermal pads with amazing results before.

Absolutely. Same here. They work well and last a long time, too.

19 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

They are black so you won’t see them against black FE PCB from the side. (always disliked that with colored pads) Also, these pads feel very soft.

Are all of them black? I think that is really smart.

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Absolutely. Same here. They work well and last a long time, too.

Are all of them black? I think that is really smart.

Yep, Basic/advanced/pro are all solid black thermal pads. Never seen it before with thermal pads.

[Mr. Fox]

Thank you, China.

 

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Yep, Basic/advanced/pro are all solid black thermal pads. Never seen it before with thermal pads.

 

hmmm interesting, will have to look into these 🙂 yeah Roman gave up on providing any kind of W/mK data for his cooling products, i.e. pastes, liquid metal, thermal pads, etc. since these are so highly variable and dependent on testing setup.

 

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, that has pretty much been the non-scalper price since launch day. Everything is overpriced, but anecotally it seems the Elite is slightly better than the Gaming OC. The whole PC enthusiast space is in a sadder state than I have ever seen it. Things have been circling the drain for a long time. Things started to get crappy with the crypto-craze and have never gotten better. It has never been so difficult to find satisfaction with the products available for purchase across all brands.

I am having my first and only acceptable experience with AMD products right now. While I have to admit that it is not thrilling, it's nice to not be enraged by the magnitude of the unacceptableness I found in prior generation Ryzen and Radeon products. They have come a very long way, but overall still prefer Intel and NVIDIA when all things are as they should be. The problem now is that nothing is as it should be. AMD is still rough around the edges and it still seems like their target market is cost-conscious gamerboys and not overclocking enthusiasts.

 

Setting aside preferences and product superiority, I feel like I am done getting screwed with overpriced NVIDIA crap and I'm probably not going back to Intel until they ditch the smartphone core filth. It feels like everything is crappy and compromised now, so shopping based on price is probably the only intelligent approach to take at this point. I don't think I would be particularly happy with anything available for purchase right now. The best  things we can buy now are grossly overpriced and lackluster, representing the poorest value and shoddiest  engineering and QC that we have ever seen that I can remember. Overpaying to get something awesome is not ideal, but I resigned myself to that reality. You didn't feel like you were getting screwed as hard as we are now and getting something that was actually pretty awesome helped in terms of dealing with the undesirable pricing. But things have gotton worse. Overpaying to get mediocre crap (the current state) is unacceptable. It is sobering to think that the bad new days we are living in right now might later be viewed as the good old days. Just thinking about it that way is a bit gut-wrenching.

---

On a cheerier note, the bare die temps on the 9950X are still pretty amazing. Look at what nice load temps, even with my hot ambient. This was the peak during two back-to-back passes of CBR23.

 

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@jaybee83 I found my old screenshots from the Gene. Here they are next to the other screenshots. 

Interesting to see the variance between motherboards on the two SP118 CPUs. This doesn't inspire much confidence in SP ratings for Ryzen. Neither does what I have heard about the SP rating being reported higher if the BIOS is flashed with the CPU is warmer. I'm not sure whether putting as much stock in it as Intel makes good sense on AMD. Seems a little sketchy and unreliable to me.

 

 

 

thx bud, appreciate the screenshots 🙂 yeah just seeing how super tight the SP ratings are between CPUs but at the same time u seeing such big differences in overclocking ability just goes to show that the conclusions are not that significant at the end of the day.

 

greetz from italy to everyone btw, enjoying a vacay with my two ladies 🙂 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Cliff notes: clock speed is still king when the core/thread count is equal, and sometimes even when it is not equal.

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

greetz from italy to everyone btw, enjoying a vacay with my two ladies 🙂 

mama mia!

[tps3443]

I compared my RTX 5090 with my RTX 4090 from a previous video that I made. 
 

The game was Starfield @4K/ DLSS Quality+ Frame Gen. 

 

4090 Max OC@98% GPU Usage=192fps

5090 Mild OC@96% GPU usage=272fps

 

This is the exact same save game, and the same scene on both comparisons. The 5090 is +42% faster than the RTX4090. 
 

^ This is pretty dang good! If my GPU usage was 98% with the 5090, it would be even more. Also, the 4090 was completely clapped out on overclocking. While the 5090 is not. It’s running a pretty mild overclock. Also, almost the same power consumption between these cards!!! 🥹 I can detune my 5090fe to like 335-350 watts in this game and still hold 270fps. I am seriously impressed! 
 

 

I made a video on this, and will share soon. 
 

The 5090 is definitely a HOSS. 

 

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I compared my RTX 5090 with my RTX 4090 from a previous video that I made. 
 

The game was Starfield @4K/ DLSS Quality+ Frame Gen. 

 

4090 Max OC@98% GPU Usage=192fps

5090 Mild OC@96% GPU usage=272fps

 

This is the exact same save game, and the same scene on both comparisons. The 5090 is +42% faster than the RTX4090. 
 

^ This is pretty dang good! If my GPU usage was 98% with the 5090, it would be even more. Also, the 4090 was completely clapped out on overclocking. While the 5090 is not. It’s running a pretty mild overclock. Also, almost the same power consumption between these cards!!! 🥹 I can detune my 5090fe to like 335-350 watts in this game and still hold 270fps. I am seriously impressed! 
 

 

I made a video on this, and will share soon. 
 

The 5090 is definitely a HOSS. 

 

 

 

No doubt the 5090 is an absolute beast depending on game/task. Just a conditional hot and heavy pricey wrecking ball....

 

I know I was seriously impressed in WoW compared to my 4090, 5080, and 9070xt.

 

How does it do when you turn off dlss and fg?

 

 

 

 

[win32asmguy]

On 6/15/2025 at 1:07 PM, electrosoft said:

MSI sent me one of these for eval so I'll be swapping it in tomorrow so I can fully check the M4 Max at 1440p for WoW testing compared to the MSI Raider 18 at 1440p along with the 5070 desktop. I might test my 9070xt at 1440p just for some extra data.

 

Did you get a chance to test out that display? I currently use a MAG 274QRF QD E2 which has been a pretty decent monitor other than a few weird quirks. The display resume time from a sleep state is pretty slow 5 seconds or more. It has a USB hub, but the hub shuts off when the monitor is sleeping so you cannot wake the system up via keyboard or mouse connected to the hub. It also has a basic KVM but the type-c port has a weird virtual USB drive that tries to auto-install control software for the monitor each time. The KVM / type-c port is also somewhat flaky with detection and switching so I ended up not even using it.

 

I still think if I were going to try for a higher resolution display to pair with the 5090 it would probably be the 38 inch 3840x1600 ultrawide, 38WR85QC-W. I do not really want 4k, high DPI or OLED so it seems like a good option.

[tps3443]

9 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

No doubt the 5090 is an absolute beast depending on game/task. Just a conditional hot and heavy pricey wrecking ball....

 

I know I was seriously impressed in WoW compared to my 4090, 5080, and 9070xt.

 

How does it do when you turn off dlss and fg?

 

 

 

 

 

I can check, but I’ll say 120+ fps without DLSS or FG in Starfield is pretty easy for 5090. Unfortunately I didn’t have any comparisons with my old 4090 using those settings at native without FG. I don’t see a huge performance loss when I turn off DLSS Quality and go to native with 5090. 
 

I think the 5090 is definitely faster over the 4090 than people make it out to be. The efficiency is really amazing as well. Many scenarios I’m finding my 5090 using the same or just slightly more power than my 4090 like maybe 25 watts more, all while being much faster. 
 

It’s not too terrible for $1,999.99. Performance is there. Efficiency is there for sure. Performance has gone up everywhere! I’m feeling the slight effects of PCIe X16 3.0 bandwidth bottlenecks with a 5090 which is about 2% at 4K and 4% at 1440P.