*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

5090 pricing drops and market saturation continues.....

 

13 different models of open box 5090's on Newegg starting at $2549 with several being marked down even further from their original open box pricing....

 

Now Newegg is offering +$200 gift certificates on three models including:

 

Gigabyte Gaming

MSI Ventus (which already had a price cut)

MSI Vanguard (which already had a price cut)

 

Only models truly out of stock (IE, original MSRP listings still up do not count) are three Gigabyte models and that's it:

 

Windforce (cheapest non FE model available)

Aorus WB

Aorus AIO

 

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5 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I don't like FE video cards and have no plans to purchase one. I didn't like them before and the goofball way the 50 series is designed as separate components is unacceptable to me.  The single vBIOS and lockdowns are also issues that give me a reason to say no.

 

 

I don't expect pricing to fall below launch MSRP, but if we can at least get back to it, I'll revisit it. Cancelling an Astral 20% off was an epiphany for myself in regards to how much these cards are really worth to me  and how much I would pay for one. Even the 5090FE is overpriced but the least egregious of them all by far at this point.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tenoroon]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nice to see you again. How are you doing?

Thanks for asking. I'm doing a lot better. I finished the semester out at school with good enough grades and have been able to walk normally for about a month now. From Feb to the end of May I felt as I was in limbo, waiting to fully heal and waiting for the semester to end and the summer to begin so I can get back on a normal routine. Now that I've established a routine and have a summer job, things are essentially back to normal.

I get knee and ankle pain from time to time, which I'll likely have to live with, but I'm hoping that once I start working out (which will start tomorrow) that I can minimize problems related from the accident and surgery. Even though the situation has been frustrating and annoying, I realize I'm very lucky to be in the position to even think about everything, so I don't let it bother me too much.

I've been mostly MIA here due to a lack of interesting things going on with technology and just being busy with life. I was 14 when I made my "Upgrading my Ranger" post over on NBR. I had lots of time to toy around with stuff and learn, which was awesome, but now there are no more "new" laptops to modify and tinker with and I am now older and have a lot more on my plate. The knowledge I've gained from that time will stick with me forever, and I'm very grateful to have learned all I did from you guys. I still have plans to do some stupid stuff to my 4930mx and to rig up a CF-31 to my Thunderbird to interface with the ECU, but those things will happen in the future.

I suppose this is strange to say, but my P870TM carried me through my entire recovery. Whether it was doing schoolwork, playing games and chatting with university friends who were off at co-ops whenever I could, or being driven to New Orleans with some friends to visit a close buddy and playing UT99 via LAN until the sun came up, it did its job with no issues and while not boiling my lap, which was nice as I was mostly bed-ridden for a month after my surgery. I find it rather disappointing that it's one of the best computers I've ever used and that nothing will ever really match it. I will use that thing until it sees the day where modern software won't support any aspect of it. Thanks @Prema
 

[tps3443]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I love ya bro but..............🤣

 

 

 

Back to our regularly sponsored programming....

 

 

I mean a shunt is only because you can't do it via vBIOS and it still doesn't address the memory OC capability of +5000 vs +3000. 😞

 

Eventually the XOC will be solved. More info and tips and tricks leaking every day but at least you can shunt mod every 5090 so wattage is never the problem which is nice. I'm quite adept at soldering (been doing it since I was in the single digits when I would mod of RC cars as a kid along with rebuilding lawnmower engines to build go carts) but I still would prefer to just use an XOC vBIOS along with getting the opened up memory tuning.

 

But either way tearing down your 5090FE to block it and breaking 17k on SN is quite righteous! Plus gaming steady with 3300+ clocks everywhere is icing on the cake. I thought your pics of the cleaned up 5090FE PCB were great too. You did a really bang up job and it shows.

 

I've really been enjoying your result posts.

 

I still think you should at least drag the chiller out of retirement for a limited engagement so we can see where it goes chilled for benchmarks or it will always be a case of "what if?" I can easily see hitting at least 17.4.k+ on it. Flex it, bench it as hard as possible for a few weeks then put the chiller back into retirement and ride the 5090FE blocked till the 6090.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

🤣.
 

 

 

You are so right. And this is why.  YESSSS SIRRREEEEE 🤣 Cannot resist that FE ASS lol.

 

 

BTW, I loved RC CARS. My last one was an Xmaxx 8S in 2020, my first one was a Stampede in 1998. 😃 It’s a hobby I’ll get in to every so often for a little bit lol. Pretty fun though. My kids have a few Traxxas Stampedes. 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

Thanks for asking. I'm doing a lot better. I finished the semester out at school with good enough grades and have been able to walk normally for about a month now. From Feb to the end of May I felt as I was in limbo, waiting to fully heal and waiting for the semester to end and the summer to begin so I can get back on a normal routine. Now that I've established a routine and have a summer job, things are essentially back to normal.

I get knee and ankle pain from time to time, which I'll likely have to live with, but I'm hoping that once I start working out (which will start tomorrow) that I can minimize problems related from the accident and surgery. Even though the situation has been frustrating and annoying, I realize I'm very lucky to be in the position to even think about everything, so I don't let it bother me too much.

I've been mostly MIA here due to a lack of interesting things going on with technology and just being busy with life. I was 14 when I made my "Upgrading my Ranger" post over on NBR. I had lots of time to toy around with stuff and learn, which was awesome, but now there are no more "new" laptops to modify and tinker with and I am now older and have a lot more on my plate. The knowledge I've gained from that time will stick with me forever, and I'm very grateful to have learned all I did from you guys. I still have plans to do some stupid stuff to my 4930mx and to rig up a CF-31 to my Thunderbird to interface with the ECU, but those things will happen in the future.

I suppose this is strange to say, but my P870TM carried me through my entire recovery. Whether it was doing schoolwork, playing games and chatting with university friends who were off at co-ops whenever I could, or being driven to New Orleans with some friends to visit a close buddy and playing UT99 via LAN until the sun came up, it did its job with no issues and while not boiling my lap, which was nice as I was mostly bed-ridden for a month after my surgery. I find it rather disappointing that it's one of the best computers I've ever used and that nothing will ever really match it. I will use that thing until it sees the day where modern software won't support any aspect of it. Thanks @Prema

I'm super happy to hear that you're doing well brother. 

 

While the accident was terribly unfortunate it's good that it happened while you are young and still able to heal quickly. The older you get the more difficult it is to deal with the injury and recovery is slower.

 

The P870 was the last great laptop. No laptop made after it has been worth owning. I can see how having it would have made the downtime the accident caused more tolerable.

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

Thanks for asking. I'm doing a lot better. I finished the semester out at school with good enough grades and have been able to walk normally for about a month now. From Feb to the end of May I felt as I was in limbo, waiting to fully heal and waiting for the semester to end and the summer to begin so I can get back on a normal routine. Now that I've established a routine and have a summer job, things are essentially back to normal.

I get knee and ankle pain from time to time, which I'll likely have to live with, but I'm hoping that once I start working out (which will start tomorrow) that I can minimize problems related from the accident and surgery. Even though the situation has been frustrating and annoying, I realize I'm very lucky to be in the position to even think about everything, so I don't let it bother me too much.

I've been mostly MIA here due to a lack of interesting things going on with technology and just being busy with life. I was 14 when I made my "Upgrading my Ranger" post over on NBR. I had lots of time to toy around with stuff and learn, which was awesome, but now there are no more "new" laptops to modify and tinker with and I am now older and have a lot more on my plate. The knowledge I've gained from that time will stick with me forever, and I'm very grateful to have learned all I did from you guys. I still have plans to do some stupid stuff to my 4930mx and to rig up a CF-31 to my Thunderbird to interface with the ECU, but those things will happen in the future.

I suppose this is strange to say, but my P870TM carried me through my entire recovery. Whether it was doing schoolwork, playing games and chatting with university friends who were off at co-ops whenever I could, or being driven to New Orleans with some friends to visit a close buddy and playing UT99 via LAN until the sun came up, it did its job with no issues and while not boiling my lap, which was nice as I was mostly bed-ridden for a month after my surgery. I find it rather disappointing that it's one of the best computers I've ever used and that nothing will ever really match it. I will use that thing until it sees the day where modern software won't support any aspect of it. Thanks @Prema
 

 

I did not realize you were in an accident. I'm so glad you're on the mend.

 

The laptop scene has become dismal of late if you're into real interchangeable parts and true upgrade ability. Quite frankly, the P870 series was my favorite series of all time surpassing the Alienware 18 series (my second fave). I owned each iteration from the DM through the TM and spent years tinkering with them. X170 series was still holding onto that big DTR body and the NH55 was the last, sad gasp with desktop CPUs and then POOF here we are. I try to still pick up or have eval units requested my way to play around with but clearly nothing like the tanks of yesteryear. 😞

 

 

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

🤣.
 

 

 

You are so right. And this is why.  YESSSS SIRRREEEEE 🤣 Cannot resist that FE ASS lol.

 

 

BTW, I loved RC CARS. My last one was an Xmaxx 8S in 2020, my first one was a Stampede in 1998. 😃 It’s a hobby I’ll get in to every so often for a little bit lol. Pretty fun though. My kids have a few Traxxas Stampedes. 

 

 

lol, touche' 🤣

 

I still say the chiller for a stab at 18k+!  Then you can really drop the mic! 🙂

 

Yeah, my entire youth was focused around model airplanes, RC cars, go carts, computers and electronics. Trying to get my daughter and niece interested in drones atm lol. Luckily my nephew loves all this stuff so I have a protege'. Make sure to keep the magic alive!

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I did not realize you were in an accident. I'm so glad you're on the mend.

He shared with us in this post and I just happened to see it. I often miss posts in threads I visit infrequently, but I was fortunate enough to have seen it. That is how I knew to ask.

 

[electrosoft]

9070xt is basically 5070ti levels of power. At MSRP, it is a ripper. These inflated prices on some models? Meh, but the 5070ti is inflated still atm too.

 

With the newest drivers (25.6.1) I'm not seeing the massive power increases he is seeing and with a modest UV and fast timings I'm pretty much dialed into 330w. If I overclock it more and push PL to max I'll see ~363w on average. Either way, performance gains were marginal at best.

 

Testing Nvidia, he did see some tangible uplift comparing 572.83 vs 576.15 in SN with no significant power increase.

 

My take is AMD upped the pull and clocks but if you're already running a model that is overclocked or pushing clocks already, you won't see much of a gain but for some units you will. Kinda the stock FE vs stock AIB argument.

 

 

 

@tps3443 I forgot you had asked about that MSI MAG 275QPF monitor they sent me. I set it up for testing:

 

 

It's not bad at all! Solid picture, killer response time. Very solid 1440p display. Picture quality can't touch the normal 4k BenQ 10-bit 32" I normally use for "serious work" but it is only 60hz while this one is 300hz.

 

Benchmark wise, M4 Max 40 core GPU on paper is clocking in at about 3500 on SN. M4 Max 40 core GPU has its strengths but native 3Dmark is not it....

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

9070xt is basically 5070ti levels of power. At MSRP, it is a ripper. These inflated prices on some models? Meh, but the 5070ti is inflated still atm too.

 

With the newest drivers (25.6.1) I'm not seeing the massive power increases he is seeing and with a modest UV and fast timings I'm pretty much dialed into 330w. If I overclock it more and push PL to max I'll see ~363w on average. Either way, performance gains were marginal at best.

 

Testing Nvidia, he did see some tangible uplift comparing 572.83 vs 576.15 in SN with no significant power increase.

 

My take is AMD upped the pull and clocks but if you're already running a model that is overclocked or pushing clocks already, you won't see much of a gain but for some units you will. Kinda the stock FE vs stock AIB argument.

 

 

 

@tps3443 I forgot you had asked about that MSI MAG 275QPF monitor they sent me. I set it up for testing:

 

 

It's not bad at all! Solid picture, killer response time. Very solid 1440p display. Picture quality can't touch the normal 4k BenQ 10-bit 32" I normally use for "serious work" but it is only 60hz while this one is 300hz.

 

Benchmark wise, M4 Max 40 core GPU on paper is clocking in at about 3500 on SN. M4 Max 40 core GPU has its strengths but native 3Dmark is not it....

 

 

This is the main problem with AMD. They go greedy and go after same price point as Nvidia but offer worse features. It's amazing to see that AMD always are able to find exactly same performance target as for nvidia long before the Geforce cards is released. They even branded the card xx70 (XT) tier SKU long before nvidia was out with their new xx70 Ti cards. Last time they did the same was when they said they went after xx80 performance and scrapped offer High end. They knew exactly where the performance level was for xx80 cards. Almost as they get all the info needed directly from Nvidia. They even price their cards after nvidia's recommended prices (MSRP). Just adjust it a bit below and hope low availability can inflate prices so they match Nvidia. AMD is nothing other than a nvidia light version.

 

 

 

[Talon]

Tested the shorting pin 2 to ground method that is circulating on OC.net. 

 

No go. Does nothing lol. I got some jumper wires and shorted pin 2, did absolutely nothing to the card other than turning off my fans lol. 

[electrosoft]

Watching 5090 devices continue to fall in price...

 

On top of the previous price drops / "gift certificates" and a ton of open box 5090's on Newegg, we now have Microcenter dropping prices like CRAZY

 

PNY has reduced all their 5090 pricing AND they are now further reduced.

 

The aRGB that was $3499.99 at one point dropped to $3199 them $3099  then $2999 and now it's down to $2849.

 

Laptops?

 

When the MSI Raider 285hx/5090 dropped it was $4899.99. It then dropped to $4099.99 and it is now $3499.99 which is $1400 less.

 

MSI Titan 285hx/5090 dropped at $5399.99  then $4999.99 and it is now $4499.99 so $900 less.

 

Asus Strix Scar dropped at $5499.99 and it is now $3999.99 so $1500 less (crazy greed)

 

Even the Dell Alienware 18 dropped at $4k which was the most reasonable of the lot and it is now down to $3300 so $700 less.

 

All in the face of tariffs and market uncertainties....

 

Absolute greed. The biggest shocking offender to me is MSI which always felt like Asus but at more reasonable pricing especially with their Raider line up. They just went for the ultimate money grab with their Raider series this time but market realities have forced them to come back to reality and adjust pricing drastically down to back along the lines of last gen offerings.

 

Clearly Newegg didn't get the memo (yet) and has their prices still jacked to high heaven and are stuck on phase one pricing mark downs.

 

 

 

[win32asmguy]

43 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Laptops?

 

When the MSI Raider 285hx/5090 dropped it was $4899.99. It then dropped to $4099.99 and it is now $3499.99 which is $1400 less.

 

MSI Titan 285hx/5090 dropped at $5399.99  then $4999.99 and it is now $4499.99 so $900 less.

 

Asus Strix Scar dropped at $5499.99 and it is now $3999.99 so $1500 less (crazy greed)

 

Even the Dell Alienware 18 dropped at $4k which was the most reasonable of the lot and it is now down to $3300 so $700 less.

 

All in the face of tariffs and market uncertainties....

 

Absolute greed. The biggest shocking offender to me is MSI which always felt like Asus but at more reasonable pricing especially with their Raider line up. They just went for the ultimate money grab with their Raider series this time but market realities have forced them to come back to reality and adjust pricing drastically down to back along the lines of last gen offerings.

 

Clearly Newegg didn't get the memo (yet) and has their prices still jacked to high heaven and are stuck on phase one pricing mark downs.

 

The funny part about all of these new models is the CPU is at best a side-grade to a 14900HX. Its pretty weird to spend a moderate time trying to tune and decide that sub 90ns memory latency is good enough for now. If it were not for the fact that the 275HX model has better display output connection configurations I would have just stuck with 14th Gen.

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

What is this? The screenshot looks nothing at all like 3DMark does on my systems. Very strange.

 

Edit: nevermind... crApple M4 LOL 🤣 That explains why it looks so goofy.

Edited Saturday at 11:35 PM by Mr. Fox
nevermind - looked closer

[Papusan]

60% performance uplift with double amount cores (if this rumours is from the 52 cores cpu). I hope this MT uplift don't include the IPC increase. But Intel have a long time forwards to tune their next gen chips. 

Intel Nova Lake performance leak claims 10% single and 60% multi-threaded uplift

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

The funny part about all of these new models is the CPU is at best a side-grade to a 14900HX. Its pretty weird to spend a moderate time trying to tune and decide that sub 90ns memory latency is good enough for now. If it were not for the fact that the 275HX model has better display output connection configurations I would have just stuck with 14th Gen.

 

Yeah what's even funnier is initially JarrodTech would list the 7945HX3D results from his Scar when comparing the initial 5090 models for gaming but when he started reviewing 18" later 5090 models with Intel's new chips, he stopped listing benchmarks for games with the 7945HX3D. He lists the 7945HX3D for CPU performance in CB2024 and such but games results he doesn't.

 

I think it was because the Scar was dominating the benchmark charts with the 4090 even against the newer Intel CPUs and 5090. I called him out on the last two 5090 laptop review videos he posted and he never responded.

 

Most likely a condition from the OEMs and/or Nvidia. No logical reason to not include X3D results but it makes the new laptops look even poorer in his gaming testing suite.

 

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

60% performance uplift with double amount cores. I hope this MT uplift don't include the IPC increase. But Intel have a long time forwards to tune their next gen chips. 

Intel Nova Lake performance leak claims 10% single and 60% multi-threaded uplift

 

"MOAR CORZZZZ!" run amok!!! It's getting silly now..... 🤣

 

10% uplift in IPC is about what we got from 10th to 11th. Nothing to sneeze at, but sheesh. If you can pack this much in, just give us a 20-32 P-Core only chip and be done with it....

 

 

[win32asmguy]

19 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Yeah what's even funnier is initially JarrodTech would list the 7945HX3D results from his Scar when comparing the initial 5090 models for gaming but when he started reviewing 18" later 5090 models with Intel's new chips, he stopped listing benchmarks for games with the 7945HX3D. He lists the 7945HX3D for CPU performance in CB2024 and such but games results he doesn't.

 

I think it was because the Scar was dominating the benchmark charts with the 4090 even against the newer Intel CPUs and 5090. I called him out on the last two 5090 laptop review videos he posted and he never responded.

 

Most likely a condition from the OEMs and/or Nvidia. No logical reason to not include X3D results but it makes the new laptops look even poorer in his gaming testing suite.

 

Yeah it does not make sense to omit benchmark data collected, especially considering the amount of time it takes to generate. He did have to completely redo his tests with the laptop 5090 because of the bugged power limit in early drivers.

 

Nvidia is having a rough time selling the 5090 mobile. I am surprised it is not 200W as I have seen it pulling over 30k in Timespy shunted. Maybe a theoretical 9070M would be close enough to make them bump the magical PL barrier up a notch in January!

 

9955HX3D from Eluktronics is supposed to be released next month. I think they are going to try and get as much tuning unlocked on it as possible, along with the new 140W PPT that AMD allows which is much greater than the 100W we got with the 7945HX3D.

 

On another note, I know you had mentioned 285K a few times here and there. Have you looked at any Z890 boards? I was thinking about testing an Asrock Taichi OCF with a 285K and see how it does with the 5090 compared to the Xeon.

[Mr. Fox]

This would be pretty annoying. Jay has two Astral 5090 and they are different on the PCB and VRM. One overclocks like a dream and the other one (earlier revision) sucks. The older revision also has crappy memory.

 

If you pay this much for a GPU there should not be hardware differances and there should be minimal variance in silicon quality. You should not just "get whatever you get" and have to suck it up and deal with it. That's really messed up. Congratulations to the early adopters that got screwed on the earlier revisions with missing components on the PCB and weaker silicon. Inexcusable. Glad I didn't spend $3.5K on one of these turds. I'm sure I would have ended up with a bottom-feeder sample like I usually do.

 

 

[electrosoft]

33 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

This would be pretty annoying. Jay has two Astral 5090 and they are different on the PCB and VRM. One overclocks like a dream and the other one (earlier revision) sucks. The older revision also has crappy memory.

 

If you pay this much for a GPU there should not be hardware differances and there should be minimal variance in silicon quality. You should not just "get whatever you get" and have to suck it up and deal with it. That's really messed up. Congratulations to the early adopters that got screwed on the earlier revisions with missing components on the PCB and weaker silicon. Inexcusable. Glad I didn't spend $3.5K on one of these turds. I'm sure I would have ended up with a bottom-feeder sample like I usually do.

 

 

 

Yeah that second newer F revision was more robust and was boost locking to 3510 and 1.125v but the memory "only" overclocked to +3000 while the other could do +4000. Wonder if he knows some truly beast samples can do the full +5000 on the XOC vBIOS yet?

 

My Astral boost locked to 1.110 and 3465 and obviously did +3000 but without the XOC vBIOS we'll never know what it could have truly done. This is the problem with shunting. It does unlock power limits basically but that's it. You miss out on all the other granular refinements a proper XOC vBIOS gives you including memory OC to +5000.

 

It seems to be the smart move these days is to wait at least 6 months after launch till the air (and pricing) clears up a bit. Demand wains. Refinements are implemented. Bugs are worked out. Drivers refine.....

 

I've said it before, but OEMs/AIBs only promise what's on the box. There are no overclock guarantees. On the other hand, there are no guarantees I won't return it either.....

 

3 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Yeah it does not make sense to omit benchmark data collected, especially considering the amount of time it takes to generate. He did have to completely redo his tests with the laptop 5090 because of the bugged power limit in early drivers.

 

Nvidia is having a rough time selling the 5090 mobile. I am surprised it is not 200W as I have seen it pulling over 30k in Timespy shunted. Maybe a theoretical 9070M would be close enough to make them bump the magical PL barrier up a notch in January!

 

9955HX3D from Eluktronics is supposed to be released next month. I think they are going to try and get as much tuning unlocked on it as possible, along with the new 140W PPT that AMD allows which is much greater than the 100W we got with the 7945HX3D.

 

On another note, I know you had mentioned 285K a few times here and there. Have you looked at any Z890 boards? I was thinking about testing an Asrock Taichi OCF with a 285K and see how it does with the 5090 compared to the Xeon.

 

 

Yeah I saw where he reran it with the fixed power limits and it didn't make all that much of a difference overall but any bit is better than none. I don't understand the blunted power limits knowing at least letting laptop makers push it to 200w+ would make even more of a difference. The laptops are suffering from the 5000 series overall marginal upgrade except the 5090.

 

I suspect the 9955HX3D is going to extend the lead the 7945HX3D already had even moreso coupled with the 5090. I hope Eluktronic's pricing is better than MSIs which is still holding at $5100 for the 9955HX3D Raider which is absolutely insane.

 

I was tempted to pick up an open box Apex for $371 from Newegg. They come into stock from time to time. If not the Apex then the Taichi OCF was my second choice. Once I returned the 5090, the rhyme and reason lost its luster. If I happen to score a 5090FE or prices continue to track down, I might be back in the game.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

9 hours ago, electrosoft said:

It seems to be the smart move these days is to wait at least 6 months after launch till the air (and pricing) clears up a bit. Demand wains. Refinements are implemented. Bugs are worked out. Drivers refine.....

 

I've said it before, but OEMs/AIBs only promise what's on the box. There are no overclock guarantees. On the other hand, there are no guarantees I won't return it either.....

If you buy one of the cheapest options you should expect a hit-or-miss experience in the lottery. If you buy a halo product at the most ludicrous price there is no excuse for the quality variance. Like what the hell are you actually paying extra for if there is still a real chance you will end up with an overclocking loser? Super stupid and unacceptable to pay a high premium without reducing or eliminating the game of chance. They should be binning the core and memory of every card and offering a minimum guarantee consistent with the price tag at $3.5K. There should be like maybe a max of 1-2% variance between them when the core and memory are maxed out. Otherwise, it is a foolish purchase unless  you can get an immediate no-questions-asked refund. Most people wouldn't tolerate such a quality and performance variance when purchasing other products and it shouldn't be tolerated with high end PC parts. It should never be "good luck, hope you picked a winner" and always "congratulations, you purchased something that can't be beaten and only matched by other owners of the same product" for it to make any sense.

 

NewEgg has lots of "open box" 5090 available for lower (but still too high) prices. That's better than buying an FE model, but they must all be the silicon lottery losers that got sent back within the 30-day return window. Those are all still priced more than I would want to pay for brand new. I am probably not going to buy anything else (GPU or otherwise) until Microcenter opens and I get walk iin with my money and out with a part, return it if it is a piece of crap and get another or get a refund and walk out with my money in realtime.

[johnksss]

Now where is @tps3443 ? I've been waiting for him to get his block and shunt going so we can see what the 5090FE is "supposed" to do.

 

Edit:

Now, I am standing here tapping my foot impatiently, waiting.😂

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, johnksss said:

Now where is @tps3443 ? I've been waiting for him to get his block and shunt going so we can see what the 5090FE is "supposed" to do.

 

Edit:

Now, I am standing here tapping my foot impatiently, waiting.😂

Sure, I’ll race you with same water temp. 32c vs 32c. 😁I don’t have my chiller hooked up, I’d have to dismantle my current hardline loop/pumping setup to do so. 

 

 

 

https://www.3dmark.com/sn/7094707 

 

[electrosoft]

I know we crap all over the 060 series because of VRAM, but in pure performance uplift, 5060 is providing equal or better performance uplift over the 4060 than the 4060 over the 3060......

 

 

3 hours ago, johnksss said:

Now where is @tps3443 ? I've been waiting for him to get his block and shunt going so we can see what the 5090FE is "supposed" to do.

 

Edit:

Now, I am standing here tapping my foot impatiently, waiting.😂

 

12 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Sure, I’ll race you with same water temp. 32c vs 32c. 😎

 

 

 

@win32asmguy That Schenker Neo 16 is an absolute beast with the 9955HX3D (time stamped) 

 

Note: Lacking 7945HX3D results again even on NotebookCheckReviews..... that can't be a coincidence. They also conveniently omitted 4090 results too but had 4080 and even 14900HX results. It's subtle BS like this that irks me.

 

 

[tps3443]

6 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I know we crap all over the 060 series because of VRAM, but in pure performance uplift, 5060 is providing equal or better performance uplift over the 4060 than the 4060 over the 3060......

 

 

 

 

 

Astral on watercooling with EVC2? No way I have a chance here. He’s at least +4% right now with his chiller and extra voltage control. 😎 My bath water is gonna kill me. 

[johnksss]

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Sure, I’ll race you with same water temp. 32c vs 32c. 😁I don’t have my chiller hooked up, I’d have to dismantle my current hardline loop/pumping setup to do so. 

 

 

 

https://www.3dmark.com/sn/7094707 

 

Somehow I knew you were going to say something just like that....

My excuse list:

On air!! No LM!! No Waterblock!! No Chiller!! 24C hotter!! Lower overall core speed!! Room temp 95F

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/sn/7094707/sn/6056923#

I had a long write up on why 32C vs 32C was a really bad idea, but i erased it all.

[tps3443]

13 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Somehow I knew you were going to say something just like that....

My excuse list:

On air!! No LM!! No Waterblock!! No Chiller!! 24C hotter!! Lower overall core speed!! Room temp 95F

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/sn/7094707/sn/6056923#

I had a long write up on why 32C vs 32C was a really bad idea, but i erased it all.

Excellent scores. My goal was only 17K at the end of the day. I wish I had a faster more modern platform with Rebar, and PCIe Gen4/5, but I don’t.. My score is what it is. And even with the cost of the water-block. It’s $1,000 dollars cheaper. So I can absolutely live with a -2% slower graphics card. 

[johnksss]

2 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Excellent scores. My goal was only 17K at the end of the day. I wish I had a faster more modern platform with Rebar, and PCIe Gen4/5, but I don’t.. My score is what it is. And even with the cost of the water-block. It’s $1,000 dollars cheaper. So I can absolutely live with a -2% slower graphics card. 

 

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Astral on watercooling with EVC2? No way I have a chance here. He’s at least +4% right now with his chiller and extra voltage control. 😎 My bath water is gonna kill me. 

 

It would appear you didn't have a chance while the card was on air either. (This is called being petty and didn't need to be said. Hoping you start to understand what I'm getting at.)

No EVC and no water cooling.

 

This whole scenario was not what I was looking for. Not even close. I was genuinely hoping to see you push the card using your skillset. A brother from notebooktalk showing the rest of the world how the 5090FE runs in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing. That way we know it's true potential. To many folks not knowing how to overclock or setup OS's or have the right tools for the job. That's what I was looking for. Not all the excuses on why you can't beat other AIB cards. That wasn't even the topic of discussion. And the fact that you keep throwing around how much you paid for your card and water block. Is just kind of crazy my friend. I can reword that whole downplaying of how much you spent into a completely different light, but I choose not to. I don't do my friends like that. I'm not here to clown, just want to know what the card can do from someone I trust. That's it. No hidden agendas.