*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, Alphacool Core finally became available for my 9070 XT. I ordered one and should receive it in a couple of weeks.

 

https://shop.alphacool.com/shop/gpu-wasserkuehlung/amd/14780-alphacool-core-rx-9070-xt-aorus-elite-mit-backplate

 

About time! Looking forward to the results.

 

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

You don't need as many workers if you can't make the chips yourself. Just get rid of the entire workforce and be fabless as AMD. Intel's CEO Mr. Lip doing the work killing Intel the way we know from before. 

 

Next level on this saga.... Intel's fired enginneers will move forwards over to Chinese tech companies. Payback time? Are Mr. Lip Intel's saviour? Not so sure about that. All the greedy shareholder (the board of directors where Lip was a part of) has to be blamed for this. Break up Intel this way don't fix the problem.  

 

You need to spend the needed money on R&D to earn money in tech space. And the whole world lack tech savvy engineers. But Intel prefer to get rid of them to cut cost. What if there is not more to cut? Close down every factory and throw the keys?

 

 

Make America Great Again. Yup, Intel show the way🙄 This is just sad. And the list with Intel's struggling will only increase. Not decrease.

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Intel CEO admits: 'we are not in the top 10 semiconductor companies' anymore

 

And here you can see how Intel failed hard....

Intel's Core Ultra 5 245HX Laptop CPU Outruns Its Desktop Twin

 

 

And who'm in their right mind would trust Nvidia's CEO Jensen Huang? The China lover and billionaire that could sell his own mother for profits.

 

"It could be limited at any time; not to mention, there's plenty of computing capacity in China already," Huang said. "They don't need Nvidia's chips, certainly, or American tech stacks in order to build their military," he added.

Jensen Huang downplays fears over Nvidia chips being used by China's military

 

And nvidia try once more to feed loads of nvidia AI chips into China....

NVIDIA’s Next “China-Specific” Blackwell B30 AI Chip Rumored to See Significant Demand; Dominating The Inferencing

 

And it was same Jensen Huang that said AI would create new well paid jobs. But JP Morgan Chase CEOs say thats wrong. Jep, you can't trust Nvidia's CEO.

 

Amazon, Anthropic, JP Morgan Chase, and many more companies are now warning that AI will be replacing millions of white-collars workers.

 

 

Intel CEO is accepting real world realities. The fact is their fabs and semiconductor standing has fallen so far behind and financially they are in such dire straits that they can not commit the time or resources attacking that AND trying to compete IP wise.

 

AMD realized this years ago and sold off their fabs and focused on IP advancements and using superior fabs to deliver their products and it paid off big time.

 

There is a reason the US is trying to get TSMC fully integrated in the states. It not only puts the premiere fabs state side but also ties us directly to Taiwan while China continues to threaten a take over.

 

Intel brought much of this on themselves not innovating but instead extending and milking product lines like they did for decades until AMD caught up and surpassed them in many ways. Throw in 13th/14th gen woes and it just worsened.

 

Intel has to figure out a way to continue to innovate CPU wise, regain trust and push hard in their GPU department because that is one area they are doing very well.

 

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As for Jensen, like many corporations, he's all about the $$$ and appeasing shareholders. If the US government hadn't started to force corporations to look elsewhere, these corporations would keep on with business as usual to maximize profits using China's cheap labor to the detriment of the US and the world.

 

I'm not saying the last 3 presidential cycles were the best in the US (people keep ignoring the fact Biden was also extending and enhancing the trump 45 policies on China), but one thing across both political parties was consistent and that was checking China.

 

I still do wish that trump was a bit more reserved and pragmatic in his second term approach to tariffs and world economics and focused primarily on China first then rolled out the next phase a bit more structured.

 

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As for AI, anybody with a few firing synapses could see the writing on the wall with AI workplace replacement. It is the ultimate production tool both white collar and blue collar workers. Automation on a sweeping scale but we will reach a tipping point where that automation will cause humans the inability to properly participate in the economy....then what?

 

On 7/11/2025 at 5:11 PM, Mr. Fox said:

This is an interesting one. Good video and very unflattering for NVIDIA. Steve talks about how liberal and empowering Intel is with AIB partners and how NVIDIA is a control freak in stark contrast.

 

 

 

Intel is where Nvidia was at the start. All open arms and welcoming anything and everything to break through and gather market share. Given time and if they somehow make a dent against AMD and Nvidia, you will see those same control freak mechanisms slowly return.

 

Remember, this is Intel. The same company that used to either bribe or coerce resellers and OEMs to not offer AMD and forced parts down their throats. The same Intel that priced their CPUs continually upward and left us with stagnant nodes and core counts till AMD was a viable threat. The same Intel that persists on tossing out chipsets every few cycles forcing consumers to upgrade their motherboards. There are plenty of other examples....

 

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Nice roundup of 9070xt models.

 

XFX Mercury is the best all around cooler by far. Gigabyte Gaming cooler is taking some hits but it is the smallest, shortest model in the mix and clocks aggressively.

 

No way I'm paying $200 more for a Mercury over my Gaming though ($859.99 vs $656.99)....

 

Albeit the Gigabyte Gaming makes his least recommended list heh....

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Nice roundup of 9070xt models.

 

XFX Mercury is the best all around cooler by far. Gigabyte Gaming cooler is taking some hits but it is the smallest, shortest model in the mix and clocks aggressively.

 

No way I'm paying $200 more for a Mercury over my Gaming though ($859.99 vs $656.99)....

 

Albeit the Gigabyte Gaming makes his least recommended list heh....

That was a good video. Looks like I got really lucky with the Elite. Clocks higher anyhow, and I bought it for less than it is currently going for. I am looking forward to seeing how the hotspot and memory temps look on water. High hotspot and memory temps is really the only thing about it that I dislike. Otherwise it is a real banger that offers excellent value to performance.

 

I'm not a huge fan of the Adrenaline driver model. It seems very bloated and has lots of unnecessary consumer garbage, but the same is true of a "stock" GeFarts driver install with the NVIDIA App and all of its associated crap. If I didn't have NVCleanstall to exorcise all of the rubbish it would be equally bloated as Adrenaline IMHO.  Once I get the GPU block I will tinker more with the RadeonSlimmer application to see how much trash I can remove without breaking things. I really don't get why NVIDIA and AMD GPU drivers have such a huge payload of garbage. Maybe some people actually find value in it. I don't.

[Papusan]

On 6/25/2025 at 3:46 AM, Mr. Fox said:

I agree wholeheartedly that we need to do that. But an even better solution is for all nations to cut off China completely. Russia can be their only customer.

 

If nobody has products manufactured in China, nobody buys anything made in China, and all exports of anything and everything to China are banned by all nations that's an instant win for the world. Excommunicado... just like John Wick.

 

Won't happen as you can see. Not even with Trump. The US government with their administration have no intention to stop Nvidia floding China with expensive AI chips. You said all nations should cut off China... And here you see the Us go in front. But not the way you hope for. Greed and corruption will always win the in the end.

 

The fun facts... Now as Nvidia can continue do almost whatever they want, the US citizens will pay the price. RememberTariffs is pure tax on own citizens. This on top of even higher prices (inflation) due nvidia can flood China with US made tech. And US made AI technology will also help the country to reduce their costs even further, making them even more competitive than they are today. So double tripple bad for the land of the free. 

 

NVIDIA H20 AI Chip Sales To China Set To Resume After Meeting With Trump

by Paul Lilly - Tue, Jul 15, 2025

NVIDIA's stock price is climbing this morning, and it's no doubt the result of the chip designer confirming it has the White House's preliminary approval to resume selling H20 chips to China.

 

Not just NVIDIA, AMD has a green light to sell its custom-built GPU to China too.

 

On 4/19/2025 at 10:37 PM, Papusan said:

I have said this before. More than one time. Asia  and China have above 1/3d of the whole tech market. Everyone know where the graphics cards going.

 

Trump lightens chip bans on China, AMD to restart MI308 AI chip sales in the country, joining Nvidia's H20 —

 

Both AMD and NVIDIA have made it clear that the Chinese market is critical to their business, to the extent that they develop specialized data center processors.

 

Yup. Profits over anything. What a weak decision from decision makers. Max Profits over the lands own good🤕 And Nvidia and AMD are laughing all the way to the bank (After today’s announcement, AMD shares jumped following a similar rise for NVIDIA). I expect the U.S. government administration need more income in from big corps as >nvidia and AMD to be able to reduce the taxes they promised for the rich part of its population.

 

And more of the same... China First. Isn't that correct slogan? What a failure from the US government. We all know how top skilled Chinese engineers/hackers will make US made tech to work better for their needs. 

 

This news stems from Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang’s third visit to China in 2025 that he made yesterday. He reportedly used the visit to personally present the RTX 6000D and other compliant AI solutions to key Chinese partners, signaling both goodwill and urgency. 

Nvidia reportedly preparing RTX 6000D for Chinese market to comply with U.S. export controls

The company plans to begin shipping the card in Q3 of 2025, with an ambitious target of 1-2 million units by year-end, aiming to recoup over $10 billion in faltering revenue.

[jaybee83]

bro @Papusan, heres ur chance to upgrade from your peasant Astral LC 😄 

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/usd5-500-rtx-5090d-with-dual-16-pin-power-connectors-and-2000w-tdp-lands-on-ebay-galaxs-hof-oc-lab-xoc-5090d-formerly-exclusive-to-china-hits-resale-market

[electrosoft]

While trying "new things" with the desktop I built him a few years ago, my nephew managed to nuke all his drives (sans the one mechanical 1TB drive I put in there and told him to use it to backup everything important which he did) on top of his system running oddly. He was trying to learn how to install Linux and use Mint. The more he did the worse it got till eventually his mom dropped it off for rescue work. They live 2-3hrs away.

 

I ended up upgrading his system with the components I picked up from gtz over on OCN:

 

12100f -> 13400f

A380 -> 3060 12GB

128GB boot -> Samsung 980 Pro 1TB

 

Gave it a most needed cleaning from head to toe (it was chock full of dust and dog hair), recert/tested all his components. Replaced a faulty Sata cable, discovered the distro he was trying to use failed sha256 checksum, created a proper mint distro install for him and reinstalled Windows 11 and made a proper dual boot Mint system for him along with reorganizing his data properly. He will be pleased. Games wise, this is a pretty decent upgrade since he games on a 25" Dell 240hz IPS 1080p display I gave him along with his system 🙂

 

 

 

I closed up my desktop. Glass and front  panel back on signifying it is in final AMD boss form. The 9800X3D and 9070XT run cool enough that I only have the three AIO fans on the 420 as intake and everything else passively exhaust cooled and the case is so big and porous enough and the 9070xt doesn't pull the sun into orbit like my Astral 5090 did that temps are the same even after hours of gaming on the 9800X3D and 9070XT.  In addition, my computer room doesn't turn into a 1970's sauna within an hour of playing....

 

 

I just can not get over how well the 9070xt handles the lows/fps when the CPU is being assaulted with all that player data. It can never soar as high as a 5080/4090/5090 when being fed properly, but in WoW how it handles the lows is most important and routinely in Raids, PvP and ORBs, utilization drops under 100% same as the other cards and that is where it shines....

 

One thing I do miss though is the locked 240fps in delves. That was just a super, silky smooth experience on the 5090. Fallout76 on the 5090 was beast mode too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

While trying "new things" with the desktop I built him a few years ago, my nephew managed to nuke all his drives (sans the one mechanical 1TB drive I put in there and told him to use it to backup everything important which he did) on top of his system running oddly. He was trying to learn how to install Linux and use Mint. The more he did the worse it got till eventually his mom dropped it off for rescue work. They live 2-3hrs away.

 

I ended up upgrading his system with the components I picked up from gtz over on OCN:

 

12100f -> 13400f

A380 -> 3060 12GB

128GB boot -> Samsung 980 Pro 1TB

 

Gave it a most needed cleaning from head to toe (it was chock full of dust and dog hair), recert/tested all his components. Replaced a faulty Sata cable, discovered the distro he was trying to use failed sha256 checksum, created a proper mint distro install for him and reinstalled Windows 11 and made a proper dual boot Mint system for him along with reorganizing his data properly. He will be pleased. Games wise, this is a pretty decent upgrade since he games on a 25" Dell 240hz IPS 1080p display I gave him along with his system 🙂

 

 

 

I closed up my desktop. Glass and front  panel back on signifying it is in final AMD boss form. The 9800X3D and 9070XT run cool enough that I only have the three AIO fans on the 420 as intake and everything else passively exhaust cooled and the case is so big and porous enough and the 9070xt doesn't pull the sun into orbit like my Astral 5090 did that temps are the same even after hours of gaming on the 9800X3D and 9070XT.  In addition, my computer room doesn't turn into a 1970's sauna within an hour of playing....

 

 

I just can not get over how well the 9070xt handles the lows/fps when the CPU is being assaulted with all that player data. It can never soar as high as a 5080/4090/5090 when being fed properly, but in WoW how it handles the lows is most important and routinely in Raids, PvP and ORBs, utilization drops under 100% same as the other cards and that is where it shines....

 

One thing I do miss though is the locked 240fps in delves. That was just a super, silky smooth experience on the 5090. Fallout76 on the 5090 was beast mode too.

Your nephew will (should) be super happy. Those are some decent upgrades from Uncle Electrosoft. ❤️

 

He should be commended for exploring Linux as a solution to the Micro$lop cancer dung OS. I am approaching the end of week #2 using Linux exclusively and only resorting to opening Windoze in a virtual machine when I need to do something that only PowerBI and Excel can do. As soon as I am done I shut it down. No regrets. If I didn't need to use those applications for work I would not even bother with the virtual machine. Kubuntu with Plasma 6 is fantastic. Very satisfied and even more impressed than I have been in the past with Linux.

 

I'm so sick of the nonsense from the Redmond Retards. 25H2 is going to be the most vile strain of colon cancer to have ever emanated from their posterior orifice.

 

[Papusan]

 

Intel will get rid of P-cores. The future for Intel is loads of E-cores. @Mr. Fox You have hoped for more cores a very long time. Intel has finally heard your dreams and now wants to make them come true. Happy?😀

 

Using only energy-efficient cores will achieve improved performance per watt and will not suffer from the high consumption problems that they do with P-Cores.

 

Intel Razer Lake will be the last architecture with P-Cores by 2027 and Titan Lake will arrive in 2028 with 100 E-Cores 

 

(96 E-Cores #separated into two 48-core dies# and 4 very low-power LPE cores).

 

On 7/14/2025 at 9:04 PM, electrosoft said:

Intel CEO is accepting real world realities. The fact is their fabs and semiconductor standing has fallen so far behind and financially they are in such dire straits that they can not commit the time or resources attacking that AND trying to compete IP wise.

 

Yup. And it will be hard come back in business. So better get rid of all workers while they can and just keep the bare minimum. Could be that the shareholders don't lose everything with bare minimum of activity. But growing/expand... Forget it. 

 

Bring back more of the well paid jobs to US. Maybe McDonald's, Burger King, Wendy's, Chick-fil-A, and Subway will expand in affected areas and create the needed jobs for former high paid employees, LOL

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