*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

16 minutes ago, johnksss said:

That fan controller looks real promising.

Now we need a similar third-party motherboard lighting control so we can skip the Window Store dung that the numbskulls at ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte have moved to. It is really stupefying to see what a worthless posse of idiots work for these OEMs.

 

To the best of my knowledge, EVGA is the ONLY one that hasn't prostituted their software into a UWP feces distribution model.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

This is a good find as well. MUCH NEEDED to avoid the OEM motherboard software filth.

 

 

25 minutes ago, johnksss said:

That fan controller looks real promising.

 

And already the replacement caps on a 7980XE, but those were from a cracked die 7980XE though.

Found this one a couple of months ago. An Ok software (better than any OEM filhty but I will most likly go for an HW fan control). 

22 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Just did a 5.5Ghz test on the KS and it ran 385 watts.

 

Gone is the days you could use an air cooler for your K chips. I remember hmscott on NBR said he never would touch an water cooled setup again. But hey, he was an AMD fan and most likely had to change mind about water cooling if he nowadays went for an unlocked Ryzen chips from latest gen. Also bro Robbo swor about having an air cooler over an AIO. Back in the days, 150W was usual for an 4 core Cpu and an good air cooler could handle that load

[Papusan]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Now we need a similar third-party motherboard lighting control so we can skip the Window Store dung that the numbskulls at ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte have moved to. It is really stupefying to see what a worthless posse of idiots work for these OEMs.

There is a couple of solutions on Github, but can't remember it in my head right now. I have removed everything to tune in lights and bling bling. 

[Mr. Fox]

26 minutes ago, Papusan said:

There is a couple of solutions on Github, but can't remember it in my head right now. I have removed everything to tune in lights and bling bling. 

The Pook (user at ExtremeHW and Overclock.net) just mentioned this one to me...

 

https://openrgb.org/

 

I am using external hardware RGB controllers attached to SATA power to set my lighting to white because using the motherboard headers for lighting control sucks with the OEM software for any brand other than EVGA. 

 

I want the lighting. It is extremely useful to me, but I want it set permanently to white. I don't need any other options or variations, and definitely don't want any animated RGB rainbow puke parade.

 

A hardware control solution with knobs to adjust speeds for each channel for fans it by far the best solution. That's what I use for pumps and all of my MO-RA3 fans externally with the Lamptron controller. I am going to look for a PCI slot model that draws power from PCIe that isn't ugly to look at, but so far I haven't found such a solution. But, I don't want any tacky-looking wires stretched over the top of my motherboard to get to the hardware controller.

 

My 200MM cases fans just need to run at 100% 24/7. They move lots of air and max speed is like 800 RPM. There is no reason for them to run at less than 100% because they don't make any noise at full speed.

[Papusan]

30 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Found this one a couple of months ago. An Ok software (better than any OEM filhty but I will most likly go for an HW fan control). 

 

Gone is the days you could use an air cooler for your K chips. I remember hmscott on NBR said he never would touch an water cooled setup again. But hey, he was an AMD fan and most likely had to change mind about water cooling if he nowadays went for an unlocked Ryzen chips from latest gen. Also bro Robbo swor about having an air cooler over an AIO. Back in the days, 150W was usual for an 4 core Cpu and an good air cooler could handle that load

Here's where I found out about the fan software... https://linustechtips.com/topic/1099996-fancontrol-my-take-on-a-speedfan-replacement/

[johnksss]

55 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Found this one a couple of months ago. An Ok software (better than any OEM filhty but I will most likly go for an HW fan control). 

 

Gone is the days you could use an air cooler for your K chips. I remember hmscott on NBR said he never would touch an water cooled setup again. But hey, he was an AMD fan and most likely had to change mind about water cooling if he nowadays went for an unlocked Ryzen chips from latest gen. Also bro Robbo swor about having an air cooler over an AIO. Back in the days, 150W was usual for an 4 core Cpu and an good air cooler could handle that load

Yes, I do remember them being very adamant about air cooling and ac was for the birds and blah blah blah. I also remember a lot of this stuff that is now common practice I was doing way back in the day and was considered "wasting money" "I don't have the time for that" "No way my other half was going for that" "What sane person does this and that." "Who stands out side to bench a computer or use free cold air from a window to cool your pc" "or Mr Moo and his portable freezer." And the list goes on..... 😂Yet, I have seen that line of thinking completely change over the years. Where reviewers now act like that is the norm, when they were talking smack about it when they first came out with tech stuff.

 

But.....as they say, the world is changing.... You either change with it or get run over..... So maybe they now use AIO cooling.😂

 

Also been using my Lamptron's 20Wx4 purchased in April of 2017 and 60Wx5 purchased in April of 2018. Right now it's only controlling the memory fan, but it's usually on my SS with 4X5200 RPM 30W fans attached. It use to control my fans for my laptop fan setup as well. Very good controllers.

 

 

But when I'm not benching, I don't need everything to run redline. It just only needs to work as a normal functioning machine. And using easy to use software without having to change a bunch of things I'm cool with. My car does 156MPH, doesn't mean I'm going to be doing that every day from light to light.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

The Pook (user at ExtremeHW and Overclock.net) just mentioned this one to me...

 

https://openrgb.org/

Neither the lighting nor the fan apps work with the Z490 Dark. The fan app detects the sensors, but there are no software controls available for the fan headers.

 

The lighting app doesn't detect anything at all.

 

So, both are utterly worthless on EVGA. But, the cool part is I don't really need the lighting app on the system with the Z490 Dark because the EVGA app isn't UWP feces. It would be nice to have a way to control the fans connected to the motherboard headers without having to go into the BIOS to change things.

[johnksss]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Neither the lighting nor the fan apps work with the Z490 Dark. The fan app detects the sensors, but there are no software controls available for the fan headers.

 

The lighting app doesn't detect anything at all.

 

So, both are utterly worthless on EVGA. But, the cool part is I don't really need the lighting app on the system with the Z490 Dark because the EVGA app isn't UWP feces. It would be nice to have a way to control the fans connected to the motherboard headers without having to go into the BIOS to change things.

On the Hero it picks up at least 7 of the 8 fan headers. And it picks up 2 fan headers for the KPE.

 

RGB Software seems to not work as intended.... I'll have to revisit if I have time left.

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, johnksss said:

Just did a 5.5Ghz test on the KS and it ran 385 watts.

 

What does it pull @ 5.4? Trying to see when (or if) it falls off the rails.

 

My 12900ks pulled ~334w

 

And in the shocker of them all, got my SP91 12900k to run 5.4 all core and it pulled ~330w (!).

 

Both thermal throttling of course....

 

 12900ks SP94 "falls of the rails" at 5.4 and is basically equal to my 12900k SP91 with regard to pull and temps. 12900ks had 4 cores throttling vs 2 on the 12900k but the 12900k kept touching the sun more frequent with those two cores though on those (hence the lower CB23).

 

12900k needed 1.465 under load vs the 12900k 1.421 (pure Auto)

 

12900ks:

 

 

12900k SP91:

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

39 minutes ago, johnksss said:

On the Hero it picks up at least 7 of the 8 fan headers. And it picks up 2 fan headers for the KPE.

 

RGB Software seems to not work as intended.... I'll have to revisit if I have time left.

The fan software works pretty nice on the Unify-X. It also reads the two sensors on my Z490 Dark as you noted, but there appear to be no fan controls available for the two sensors that it sees, so it won't be of any value on the EVGA board since it is unable to serve its intended purpose (fan control), Weird that it only identifies two fan headers.

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

This could be useful info. Sacrificial Celeron idea actually worked.

 

This is a good find as well. MUCH NEEDED to avoid the OEM motherboard software filth.

 

 

In his own way, Jufes @ Frame Chasers is really growing on me.... It is the type of content I like to watch.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

On 4/21/2022 at 7:27 PM, johnksss said:

Didn't pass brother @Papusan , but still a decent run though.

 

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

https://hwbot.org/submission/4981077_

 

Both of those runs are over 300W.

[Mr. Fox]

4 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

In his own way, Jufes @ Frame Chasers is really growing on me.... It is the type of content I like to watch.

 

 

Yes, I like his content as well. I also like that his presentation is little bit rough around the edges and it feels like real, like something one of us would produce. His personality and communication style (voice inflection, tone, etc.) is annoying to me. If I ignore that, I enjoy most of what he produces

[electrosoft]

Ended up selling the SP94 12900ks to my bud with the SP84 12900ks. I don't even know I didn't connect the dots but I mentioned to him earlier I was going to either return it or sell it amongst a close knit group of us and he immediately wanted it. Since I drove to PA to see him the other day, he hot tailed it down here to scoop up the SP94 and we returned his SP84 to the local Best Buy and grabbed lunch.

 

The CS we know even smirked and said, "Returning it?" Me? "Nope, he's returning his!" 😆

 

Picked up an iPad Mini 6 for the wife while I was there to replace her aging iPad Mini 4 with only 16GB which had rendered it near unusable and slow as molasses but it gave her almost 5yrs of service.

 

All is well that ends well.

[johnksss]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

What does it pull @ 5.4? Trying to see when (or if) it falls off the rails.

 

My 12900ks pulled ~334w

 

And in the shocker of them all, got my SP91 12900k to run 5.4 all core and it pulled ~330w (!).

 

Both thermal throttling of course....

 

 12900ks SP94 "falls of the rails" at 5.4 and is basically equal to my 12900k SP91 with regard to pull and temps. 12900ks had 4 cores throttling vs 2 on the 12900k but the 12900k kept touching the sun more frequent with those two cores though on those (hence the lower CB23).

 

12900k needed 1.465 under load vs the 12900k 1.421 (pure Auto)

 

12900ks:

 

 

12900k SP91:

 

 

 

You thermal throttled because you did not change your max from 100C to 115C....

So that also means you would have pulled more watts...

 

Not sure on the 5.4, but i'll check it in a few.

[johnksss]

14C Water vs 28.4C Water

[Papusan]

Slightly better Wprime 32 score. Within 20Th place on the bot for 16 cores (but the 50% baby cores destroy some of the fun)🙂

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4981897_papusan_wprime___32m_core_i9_12900k_1sec_380ms?recalculate=true

 

 

Edit. Here's a better one. Now below 1.370 sec. But this doesn't help much. LN2 (exotic cooling) scores rules above🙃 Damn that baby cores,LOOL

https://hwbot.org/submission/4981946_papusan_wprime___32m_core_i9_12900k_1sec_368ms?recalculate=true

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, johnksss said:

14C Water vs 28.4C Water

 

Wow, the package drop is insane with that temp difference. I didn't know it was that extreme. Amazing.

 

The jump to 385w from 5.4 -> 5.5 was at 14c too?

 

3 hours ago, johnksss said:

You thermal throttled because you did not change your max from 100C to 115C....

So that also means you would have pulled more watts...

 

Not sure on the 5.4, but i'll check it in a few.

 

 

~100c is where I end my playtime adventures but you're right.

 

 

[electrosoft]

So glad Max @ Hardware Numb3rs is back in action. DDR4 vs DDR5 in WoW. He's going to test the 5800X3D next in WoW:

 

 

[johnksss]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Wow, the package drop is insane with that temp difference. I didn't know it was that extreme. Amazing.

 

The jump to 385w from 5.4 -> 5.5 was at 14c too?

 

 

 

~100c is where I end my playtime adventures but you're right.

 

 

Yes. 385W at 14C water.

And you didn't get the Intel memo when they were the ones that came out and said it was fine to run up to 115C like since what, the 10900K days? Also in the grand scheme of things....it's not temps killing Intel cpus, it's the voltage. Now temps might kill an AMD CPU though, but then that is speculations on my part as I would never let an AMD CPU over heat, but an intel cpu, sure, no problem. as they dial back when they reach the set max temp, not just get hotter and hotter. This comes from past experiments and just plain user error when I found these things out. So no reviewer or surfing the net to get the answers. 🙂

 

edit:

Also that 385W run was with 5.5Ghz/43 E core/45 cache/LLC8/1.4V/Load 1.288V

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, johnksss said:

Yes. 385W at 14C water.

And you didn't get the Intel memo when they were the ones that came out and said it was fine to run up to 115C like since what, the 10900K days? Also in the grand scheme of things....it's not temps killing Intel cpus, it's the voltage. Now temps might kill an AMD CPU though, but then that is speculations on my part as I would never let an AMD CPU over heat, but an intel cpu, sure, no problem. as they dial back when they reach the set max temp, not just get hotter and hotter. This comes from past experiments and just plain user error when I found these things out. So no reviewer or surfing the net to get the answers. 🙂

 

edit:

Also that 385W run was with 5.5Ghz/43 E core/45 cache/LLC8/1.4V/Load 1.288V

 

I did and I agree with you 100% but there is no logical reason to raise temp caps in my setup. It will just heat up higher and pull more power and either throttle at a different point or crash. If I can't keep it under 100c, I won't keep it under 115c with the resulting scaling in heat and pull. If the objective is to pull even more (heat:power curve) for demonstration sure but outside of that? My golden rule is 100c cap (or lower even depending on purpose) because at that point I need to address my cooling, delid my chip , adjust my expectations based on silicon or all of thee above.

 

As for my previous 12900ks vs 12900k, setting 100c as the default cap, conditions being equal, you can see both chips bouncing off of the threshold and still see the 12900ks is superior not just in Vcore (1.421 vs. 1.465) but as a result in score as the 12900k bounces off of it much more frequently than the 12900ks.

 

Based on early data of dying AMD processors and AMD curtailing their boost options from 500mhz to 200mhz along with PBO overall I agree with your speculation.

 

Whew, that is a beefy, impressive run on the 12900ks.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

At the end of the day, it's all about the turdbook muppets and what they think we can all do to advance the global warming hoax. They can't produce castrated trashbooks that weigh nothing and run for a week on coin cell watch batteries as long as people like us exist. I am sure they would poop their pants and try to "cancel us" if they saw us talking about 1.4V and ~300W benchmark runs. The 100°C+ doesn't bother them though. That's normal for their trash. It's also pretty cool temps compared to where they are going to spend eternity, LOL.

[aldarxt]

49 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

At the end of the day, it's all about the turdbook muppets and what they think we can all do to advance the global warming hoax. They can't produce castrated trashbooks that weigh nothing and run for a week on coin cell watch batteries as long as people like us exist. I am sure they would poop their pants and try to "cancel us" if they saw us talking about 1.4V and ~300W benchmark runs. The 100°C+ doesn't bother them though. That's normal for their trash. It's also pretty cool temps compared to where they are going to spend eternity, LOL.

Hey Mr.Fox, you mentioned Global Warming, a touchy topic, that I never hear anybody mention that 10,000 yrs. ago there was ice sheets miles thick covering continents. Where did all that ice go? Global Warming began 10,000 yrs. ago and has not stopped just so you can go to the beach in a bikini! Most scientists will back me up on the ice age but just because of the current trend they lose all logic!

[Mr. Fox]

39 minutes ago, aldarxt said:

Hey Mr.Fox, you mentioned Global Warming, a touchy topic, that I never hear anybody mention that 10,000 yrs. ago there was ice sheets miles thick covering continents. Where did all that ice go? Global Warming began 10,000 yrs. ago and has not stopped just so you can go to the beach in a bikini! Most scientists will back me up on the ice age but just because of the current trend they lose all logic!

Yup. And, it is only a "touchy" or sensitive topic to those that are outraged (and intimidated) that anyone would have the gall to dare to question their supreme authority or speak against their agenda.

 

As we have seen, more prevalent than ever since COVID-19 surfaced, "science" is no longer scientific, logical or based on evidence. It starts with a wild guess, it becomes popularized to fit somebody's narrative, then it is dubbed "science" by the group with an agenda. If you say anything logical, scientific, based on evidence or present data suggesting truth or fact is anything to the contrary, they label it dangerous disinformation, then censor, shadow ban, cancel and/or attempt to cyber-bully their way to compliance. "Follow the science" is modern code for "fall in line" but it doesn't sound as mean to the sheeple that don't use their brain.

[electrosoft]