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[tps3443]

40 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I've have two of them already and the first one was the initially released product from a long time ago and I haven't had any problems with them on both 4090s. The only reason why I had to buy a new one is because my connector is reversed on the Zotac. I think the possibility of the connector melting in the GPU if it is plugged in all the way could be less than a cable melting because all of the current is passing through a large piece of metal instead of individual wires. I think the possibility of the cable melting where it plugs into the WireView is exactly the same as it would be with the cable connected to the video card.

 

The biggest issue with them is not fitting everything that uses this power socket. There are too many design variances from one GPU to the next. I had to use a Dremel tool to carve away part of the acrylic on both of my 4090 Bykski waterbocks. And neither one of them would fit with the stock air cooler installed.

 

From any angle that I look at it there's nothing good or satisfying about this new power connector and it amazes me that they continue using it and spite of its horrible design and glaring issues. That is a reflection of what a sad, sad, sad situation we have in the PC tech space. We have been overrun by retarded baboons that have been given free reign to make stupid decisions that screw things up for everyone and no accountability for their stupidity..

Yeah the 4090’s just don’t pull power like that though. They are 450w stock, and rarely pull 600w. I know Motivman and Yzonker and another person used wire view pro with shunted 5090 and their cables would burn them if they touched it. They stopped using wire view because of this. I would be extremely careful. 

[Mr. Fox]

22 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Yeah the 4090’s just don’t pull power like that though. They are 450w stock, and rarely pull 600w. I know Motivman and Yzonker and another person used wire view pro with shunted 5090 and their cables would burn them if they touched it. They stopped using wire view because of this. I would be extremely careful. 

Yes, I will be careful. I am usually more careful that necessary and I have always been super-paranoid about these defective new connections. Since my first GPU with the chintzy 12VHPWR connectors I am constantly feeling of the cable and WireView or using my IR thermometer and so far none have ever melted or gotten overly hot.

 

My 4090 Suprim has a 1kW vBIOS and when pushed hard on the chiller it will chug 1000W easily. If I see any evidence that the cable is getting hot/hotter with the WireView than without it I will return it for a refund to Amazon. Even if I end up returning it, I will at least be able to see how much power is getting pulled through the 12VHPWR socket with the shunt mod.

 

I still think damage to the GPU itself is reduced with it because the WireView itself is a heatsink and all of the power pins that connect to the GPU come from a common bar. I think it provides a level of load balancing among the pins that NVIDIA so "thoughfully" (negligently) omitted. But, while I think the socket on the GPU is safer, that is not going to do anything whatsoever to help the cable connecting to the WireView not melt. It may be that the cable gets hotter because the WireView acts as a heatsink.

 

It will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

[Mr. Fox]

I haven't started using the chiller yet, but this beats my top score using the chiller. 

 

https://www.3dmark.com/sw/2676664 |  https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_speed_way/submissions/5891576?

[tps3443]

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, I will be careful. I am usually more careful that necessary and I have always been super-paranoid about these defective new connections. Since my first GPU with the chintzy 12VHPWR connectors I am constantly feeling of the cable and WireView or using my IR thermometer and so far none have ever melted or gotten overly hot.

 

My 4090 Suprim has a 1kW vBIOS and when pushed hard on the chiller it will chug 1000W easily. If I see any evidence that the cable is getting hot/hotter with the WireView than without it I will return it for a refund to Amazon. Even if I end up returning it, I will at least be able to see how much power is getting pulled through the 12VHPWR socket with the shunt mod.

 

I still think damage to the GPU itsself is reduced with it because the WireView itself is a heatsink and all of the power pins that connect to the GPU come from a common bar. I think it provides a level of load balancing among the pins that NVIDIA so "thoughfully" (negligently) omitted. But, while I think the socket on the GPU is safer, that is not going to do anything whatsoever to help the cable connecting to the WireView not melt. It may be that the cable gets hotter because the WireView acts as a heatsink.

 

It will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

The person who used that wireview pro, and the wire view pro actually caused the cable imbalance with amperage and a single wire of his 12vhpwr cables was running like 90c+ if he would have left it, it would have melted that single wire. He stopped using it and everything was good after that apparently. It is essentially adding in extra connections that are completely unnecessary though, and it reduces the connection quality. I know that the 12vhpwr is picky and sensitive I think. Me personally I run a straight cable. I can cook my card with all the power I want. Cable runs like 35-43c range. It is completely reliable. Unfortunately I cannot use a wire view pro anyways due to how my 5090 FE plug is angled. But I don’t need one. After 6 months daily abuse, heck I trust the thing now lol. 
 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

The person who used that wireview pro, and the wire view pro actually caused the cable imbalance with amperage and a single wire of his 12vhpwr cables was running like 90c+ if he would have left it, it would have melted that single wire. He stopped using it and everything was good after that apparently. It is essentially adding in extra connections that are completely unnecessary though, and it reduces the connection quality. I know that the 12vhpwr is picky and sensitive I think. Me personally I run a straight cable. I can cook my card with all the power I want. Cable runs like 35-43c range. It is completely reliable. Unfortunately I cannot use a wire view pro anyways due to how my 5090 FE plug is angled. But I don’t need one. After 6 months daily abuse, heck I trust the thing now lol. 

There are too many wildcards and variables that come into play with this feces 12VHPWR cable and I think if anything is less than perfect it is going to turn to crap. But, as you know it doesn't matter at this point. The WireView Pro was defective (DOA) and had to be returned to Amazon for a refund. No power would pass through it to the GPU. I saw another purchaser posted a review of the same problem. So, no WireView and not going to buy another. The 1500W UPS is working great. 

 

Like you, I have had zero problems with it and consider myself lucky. With and without WireView, no burning, melting or even warm cables on my systems.

[Mr. Fox]

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_speed_way/submissions/5891683? | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/141353547

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_steel_nomad_dx12/submissions/5891699 | https://www.3dmark.com/sn/8515121

[Mr. Fox]

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/cinebench_-_r23_multi_core_with_benchmate/submissions/5891713

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/cinebench_-_r20/submissions/5891716

[electrosoft]

4090 vs 5090 @8k anywhere from 24 to 58% faster.....

 

4090 is running out of VRAM with DOOM Dark Ages  so toss out that 67% difference.

 

Overall average difference ~43% faster on the 5090.

 

 

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On 9/6/2025 at 1:29 AM, Mr. Fox said:

So, as best I can tell just playing a game like DOOM: The Dark Ages with no overclock the GPU is pulling around 700W now and between 950 and 1000W from the wall now. Boost clock is a little over 3000 MHz and no fluctuation.... just a flat line. Speedway the same. Stock boost is a flat-line 3000 MHz and about 1100W from the wall. runing Speedway. The power cable is not even getting a little bit warm to the touch.

 

I ordered a new Cyberpower 1500W UPS because both of the 800W untis that I have power off under 100% 3D load. They used to beep once in a while using the 4090 but never powered off. They clearly cannot handle what this shunted 5090 is requiring of them.

 

I also ordered a new WireView Pro with the down-facing connector so I can actually see how many watts are getting pulled through the 12VHPWR cable. GPU-Z is showing like 480W paying DOOM, so it may be more than 700W just stock. Both of those will be here tomorrow.

 

Here's the stock clock flat-line graph from Speedway. Before the shunt mod a stock run was something like 2850-2870 boost clock and constantly fluctuating. So, without touching anything is running much more aggressively now.While I am waiting for those items to arrive I am going to switch to the stock vBIOS and see if the behavior is the same, better or worse compared to the GigaChad vBIOS after the shunt mod.

 

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_speed_way/submissions/5891683? | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/141353547

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_steel_nomad_dx12/submissions/5891699 | https://www.3dmark.com/sn/8515121

 

Nice! Breaking the 17k mark on SN. Are you going to push for higher numbers? Chilled 4090 vs chilled 5090. 

 

I'll be curious to see how the WireView works out for you too as @tps3443 alluded to, it is hit or miss for temps but so many variables are in play and as always PEBKAC is always a factor so let's see ...

 

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On 9/6/2025 at 11:12 AM, win32asmguy said:

 

Started testing out the AW 18.

 

It came with Sunon fans that are not whiny which is nice. I agree the pitch is improved and the noise levels in general. I can also have this setting on my laptop stand without it causing whine or a pitch change which is much better than M18 R1. Its definitely a better air cooling solution than the Hydroc G2.

 

The RGB was Aurora by default and overriding to teal still does not set it as a boot effect. Ideally I want no RGB on any subzone by default (may have to unplug the mobo connectors) and white only on the keyboard. I could even live with solid teal everywhere but it seems like the RGB controllers don't have the few KB needed to store a profile to memory...

 

Installed the Kingston Fury XMP 6400 kit. It booted at 4800 but after enabling XMP it was not booting at all. I have heard that SREP still works on these so maybe manual tuning is possible. It will be painful though as not even a RTC reset is recovering from these memory brick scenarios. There is supposed to be a validated ADATA 7200MT 2x16GB XMP kit coming for these but I cannot find any info about it other than a part number in a support document.

 

Its a shame these still ship with E31. This is a perfect example why I think they should ditch it and use PTM7958SP, just too much risk of it leaking through the barrier. I would certainly be fully removing the board and carefully replacing it before it became an issue. I still hear reports of wide temperature variance on these new models which likely is from poor QC with E31 application.

 

 

 

Yeah, the noise levels (especially sitting next to my former Raider) were immediately noticeable. I also think it is an AMD issue with their mobile variants even back to AM4. They just boost super aggressively and are overly aggressive with their cooling profiles. I've had 4 AMD laptops in my possession and the fans are very present. Three Acers, one MSI.

 

Overall, the cooling system is very good on the new Alienware 18. Looks like Alienware might be playing BIOS customization games depending on model color and theme. My teal model defaults to solid teal no matter what unless I override it with ACC.

 

Not retaining settings is the new tactic by AIBs and OEMs to force you to use their data harvesting software at all times. Asus literally removed the retention mechanism in a BIOS update on the Z690 Strix D4 to try and force Armory Crate down our throats. Maybe SignalRGB will work. 

 

Glad to know I didn't crack it open and install those sticks just for it to not work. Score one for other projects and life keeping my attention atm.

 

My Alienware was an eval review model so while not always valid, I do tend to think the OEMs tend to double and triple check their samples sent out so there's that.

 

How are your temps and scores so far? 5090 is more powerful, but the 5070ti also pulls 175w too so the overall cooling scenario should be about equal unless your 5090 is pulling more.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

31 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Nice! Breaking the 17k mark on SN. Are you going to push for higher numbers? Chilled 4090 vs chilled 5090. 

 

I'll be curious to see how the WireView works out for you too as @tps3443 alluded to, it is hit or miss for temps but so many variables are in play and as always PEBKAC is always a factor so let's see ...

I'm not sure how much harder I am going to push it. I always enjoy it while I am doing it, but find it very difficult to muster the motivation when I am not. Knowing that, now more than ever before, that there is a snowball's chance in hell that I can "win" the prize-less crown because of not getting special firmware and hardware nudges me in the direction of no longer caring. The "winners" (publicity shills) are chosen in advance. To a smaller degree, I have gotten so comfortable with Linux that I just don't like using Windoze anymore. Even for gaming or benching. Windoze sucks. I feel dirty after using Winduhz.

 

The WireView was DOA. I had to return it to Amazon for a refund. No power on the output side of it for some reason. You might have missed that in my reply to @tps3443. I've always had only wonderful experience with them, but the two I already have will not fit either of my GPUs. I need to offer them up for sale but I have been too lazy to bother with it for something of such minimal monetary value.

[Papusan]

 

Sad they can't offer a scheduler that works properly with the hybrid mess. E and P cores is an disgusting technology. Add 3rd types cores and everything is a complete mess. Only to slightly reduce power consumption to try compete with ARM for joke books and to reduce costs for the whole cpu package. If you cannot make proper processors then stop try compete. Make low end and OEM's will buy it if its cheap enough. This isn't good enough. Intel you have failed hard!!

 

https://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/41705-intel-uppdaterar-apo-battre-fps-i-fel-spel

 

Intel says this is a step towards more hardware-aDware optimization, where APO dynamically places threads on the right cores to reduce latency in CPU-bound scenarios.

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Sad they can't offer a scheduler that works properly with the hybrid mess. E and P cores is an disgusting technology. Add 3rd types cores and everything is a complete mess. Only to slightly reduce power consumption to try compete with ARM for joke books and to reduce costs for the whole cpu package. If you cannot make proper processors then stop try compete. Make low end and OEM's will buy it if its cheap enough. This isn't good enough. Intel you have failed hard!!

 

https://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/41705-intel-uppdaterar-apo-battre-fps-i-fel-spel

 

Intel says this is a step towards more hardware-aDware optimization, where APO dynamically places threads on the right cores to reduce latency in CPU-bound scenarios.

They CAN make a proper processor, but they choose not to because they believe in  the hoax and they are drinking the Kool-Aid and bought into the "less power is better" tree-hugging idiot approach. The entire technology space is overrun by hypocritical nitwits that don't know the difference between their head and their butt hole. Even the dullards at Micro$lop talk from both sides of their butt about wanting to "save the planet" that doesn't need saving by producing an OS that increases e-waste by making perfectly usable computers "incompatible" with their latest trash OS.

[win32asmguy]

19 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Yeah, the noise levels (especially sitting next to my former Raider) were immediately noticeable. I also think it is an AMD issue with their mobile variants even back to AM4. They just boost super aggressively and are overly aggressive with their cooling profiles. I've had 4 AMD laptops in my possession and the fans are very present. Three Acers, one MSI.

 

Overall, the cooling system is very good on the new Alienware 18. Looks like Alienware might be playing BIOS customization games depending on model color and theme. My teal model defaults to solid teal no matter what unless I override it with ACC.

 

Not retaining settings is the new tactic by AIBs and OEMs to force you to use their data harvesting software at all times. Asus literally removed the retention mechanism in a BIOS update on the Z690 Strix D4 to try and force Armory Crate down our throats. Maybe SignalRGB will work. 

 

Glad to know I didn't crack it open and install those sticks just for it to not work. Score one for other projects and life keeping my attention atm.

 

My Alienware was an eval review model so while not always valid, I do tend to think the OEMs tend to double and triple check their samples sent out so there's that.

 

How are your temps and scores so far? 5090 is more powerful, but the 5070ti also pulls 175w too so the overall cooling scenario should be about equal unless your 5090 is pulling more.

 

I would say the same about the AMD models. For a while there I had the Clevo NH57 which actually ran fine with a 3950X installed and CCD1 disabled. It was much more efficient than any of the other 8-core CPUs and was also hitting DDR4-3600 with the 32gb B-die kit.

 

I think my Alienware 18 may be one of the ones with a poor CPU paste job as its reaching 100C under load. The GPU stays under 80C which is fine although the palm rest temps get up to 105F so its kind of warm to use.

 

I have gotten used to being able to tune almost everything on the Hydroc G2 including GPU TDP from 95W to 175W. Having something that can do less feels not as nice. I guess if a default profile happens to be what I want and comfortable to use then its fine.

 

The MSI Raider 18 would have the exact same issue with retaining RGB along with Acer. Its a shame they treat it that way and as it is only Clevo and Eluktronics seem to have fully configurable RGB including boot override.

 

I am surprised yours goes up to 175W on the 5070ti. I thought those were limited to 140W including boost.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, win32asmguy said:

 

I would say the same about the AMD models. For a while there I had the Clevo NH57 which actually ran fine with a 3950X installed and CCD1 disabled. It was much more efficient than any of the other 8-core CPUs and was also hitting DDR4-3600 with the 32gb B-die kit.

 

I think my Alienware 18 may be one of the ones with a poor CPU paste job as its reaching 100C under load. The GPU stays under 80C which is fine although the palm rest temps get up to 105F so its kind of warm to use.

 

I have gotten used to being able to tune almost everything on the Hydroc G2 including GPU TDP from 95W to 175W. Having something that can do less feels not as nice. I guess if a default profile happens to be what I want and comfortable to use then its fine.

 

The MSI Raider 18 would have the exact same issue with retaining RGB along with Acer. Its a shame they treat it that way and as it is only Clevo and Eluktronics seem to have fully configurable RGB including boot override.

 

I am surprised yours goes up to 175W on the 5070ti. I thought those were limited to 140W including boost.

 

The default RGB would drive me nuts. Having to run MSI Center and SteelSeries GG software irritated me more than just running AWCC along with a lot of other not needed software. Once I was done my eval, I blasted that and did a clean install and scores in TS and SN immediately went from "good" to "excellent" just from the clean install. I can live with just AWCC. It isn't nearly as crippling as Asus's AC on the two Strix 18 4080's I tried and returned.

 

My next step is to try and get ahold of the newest Intel APO to give a whirl on this and the wife's 14900KS SP109 for WoW.

 

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Yikes, yeah that's not good at all on the Alienware. I know samples are supposed to be seeded like regular line models, but only an idiot would not assume samples sent for eval / reviews aren't perhaps double checked a bit to make sure they don't get dinged or even better performing samples make their way out the door.

 

Here is a run I did on my Alienware 18 with the 5070ti. You can see the 5070ti is pulling ~175w. This is in balanced mode. If I switch to overdrive/performance mode, the 5070ti drops back to 140w to give the CPU more juice. CPU topped out at 80c and GPU at ~63c in Timespy run. Leaving fans on their default profile and they went to I think 50% max? I initially thought this was all they could do and went, "wow, that's quiet!" then I switched to performance later and thought to myself, "Ah, there they are!' Nowhere near as bad as the Raider or other laptops I've tested though. 

 

 

I'll be curious to try some overclocking given the 175w budget and already cool running temps later.

 

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In performance mode, letting the CPU run free it pulled up to 170w and the fans were automatically aggressive and temps topped out at ~68c. In this mode the 5070ti takes a back seat in testing and tops out at 140w.

 

 

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And just as a refresher, here is a 275HX in my Predator 16 OLED eval unit throttling like a champ and on an ice cold run clocking in at 33k which quickly reduced to 26k on run 3 whereas my Alienware stayed the same throughout....

 

 

It is a much smaller form factor though. I'm upgrading the wife with this one over her Asus Vivobook 16 w/ Ultra 185 and 3050 OLED for the back half of our travels this year. Even dialed down, WoW was crazy chunky on that Asus at 1080p. That was pre Tazevesh

 

Ice cold run:

 

 

3 runs: