*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

18 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The normie sheeple and ignoramus population has become so vast and prevalent the OEMs no longer give a rat's butt about enthusiast money because they don't need to. We no longer matter. There are no customers, only victims. Clueless morons pay asinine prices for things they know nothing about, and they do it with a smile. They believe all the ads they read, all the lies their "friends" on Facepoot and Reddtit tell them, and all of the disinformation they watch on the "news" so is it any wonder that clowns like A$$zeus behave as if they have a license for sodomy? We have both to blame: the stupid sheeple and the shifty thugs peddling grossly overpriced, misrepresented and overhyped crap.

 

But we also know when rallied they can make a difference. Look at the de-prioritization of 8GB 5060/9060 cards due to lack of sales and more focus on the 16gb models.

 

Look at prices falling (for now) for sub 5090 cards.

 

Look how the market shifted away from Intel to AMD.

 

Many of those decisions (and more) were consciously made by consumers even normies.

 

If they could stop just shrugging their shoulders and locking onto RGB and aesthetically pleasing things and focus on the hardware and capability/functionality but I don't think we're ever going to be there because most end users don't care about any of that. They just want to plug in and get going and if problems arise they track down peeps that are like us in this thread.

 

The A$$zeus license comment made me lol btw..... 🤣

 

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@jaybee83 confirmed working on the Suprim Air by two users who have flashed it and it's working as intended.

 

 

 

So far, it appears higher voltage card users that had higher ranges but the 600w limit kept them lower are experiencing increases in voltage to go along with their newfound 200w of power. On the other hand, if your card is mid or lower and already bouncing off that vmax as is at 600w, you won't suddenly open up more voltage but that 200w will still give you a nice, healthy kick.

 

List so far of cards not working with it:

 

Asus Astral 5090 Black

Asus Astral 5090 LC Black

Asus TUF

Suprim Liquid

5090 FE (duh)

 

Ironically, the revamped design of the Astral white 5090 does work with it.....so clearly not done out of maliciousness but a byproduct of the fan design.

 

Haven't seen the Zotac 5090 AIO tested along with a few other cards yet but the vast majority are able to run it.

 

Someone in Asus won't walk right after they are separated from their keister for letting this slip out as is and not differentiating power detection properly.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Haven't seen the Zotac 5090 AIO tested along with a few other cards yet but the vast majority are able to run it.

Have you identified anyone that owns a Zotac 5090 AIO version? I haven't gone looking but I don't recall seeing anyone in the forum at oc.net that has one. In general, I do not want an AIO GPU, (or CPU AIO,) but definitely think it is better than air. I do not care for the appearance of most of the AIO cooled GPUs. I think most of them are pretty garish-looking and I do not like the short and stubby look. At least the water blocked GPUs are not nearly as short and stubby as the OEM AIO models.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Have you identified anyone that owns a Zotac 5090 AIO version? I haven't gone looking but I don't recall seeing anyone in the forum at oc.net that has one. In general, I do not want an AIO GPU, (or CPU AIO,) but definitely think it is better than air. I do not care for the appearance of most of the AIO cooled GPUs. I think most of them are pretty garish-looking and I do not like the short and stubby look. At least the water blocked GPUs are not nearly as short and stubby as the OEM AIO models.

 

Actually, it is one of the few cards I have never seen owned by anyone out in the wild. It may be quite some time before we know if it works with the 800w vbios or not.....

 

 

[Papusan]

17 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Not sure I even will buy next gen graphics cards. Probably more locked down and we have Nvidia surfing on an AI bubble. Everything is messed up in the tech world. More broken trash and all too expensive for my likings.

 

Post #24,578

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29530054/

 

 

Btw. Nvidia have done a great job for repair shops

 

Fixed thousands of melted connectors. NorthridgeFix should send Nvidia an huge thanks, LOL

 

On 11/19/2025 at 10:14 PM, Papusan said:

One thing for sure... You will see less Asus cards in 6090 series thread on OC.net.

 

Edit. What I expect from Asus now... A new firmware for Matrix that lock you to 600W with use of only one power connector. They missed on this. I expect it will be fixed (sarcasm).

 

 

[Papusan]

 

On 11/17/2025 at 2:11 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Jury is still out whether I like 3DvCache. The 9950X3D that I RMA'd was such a pathetic silicon sample that it wasn't fair to draw any conclusions based on what a piece of garbage it was. I'm leaning toward either not liking it or viewing it as an irrelevant selling point/gimmick. (I'm a casual gamer, not a gaming enthusiast, and it seems to provide no tangible benefit for an overclocking enthusiasts.)

 

Not only Asus can make dog-shit. What Asus and AMD have common... The first letter (A).

 

 

[Reciever]

A little preview of what I'm building next 

 

Sage 621e

[Mr. Fox]

16 hours ago, Reciever said:

A little preview of what I'm building next 

 

Sage 621e

Awesome. I am looking forward to seeing how it runs, brother.

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I got up early to delid the CPU. It always amazes me how much better than makes things. I increased the core clock 100MHz across all 16 cores and my max temperature is still over 20°C cooler. I hate owning CPUs that are not delidded. The experience sucks with the IHS.

 

So, I gave up on trying to use Windoze worthless trash software bloat to determine whether or not 3DvCache actually worked or not. Micro$lop butchers or botches up everything they get their hands on.

 

I used Process Lasso to set parameters on the EXE file to force 3DvCache CCD0 use or all-core use with both CCDs.

 

As you can see below, it DOES make a difference.

 

All Core (no 3DvCache)

CCD0 only (3DvCache only) - I used Process Lasso for this instead of Windoze trash

 

 

All Core (no 3DvCache)

 

CCD0 only (3DvCache only) - I used Process Lasso for this instead of Windoze trash

[Reciever]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Awesome. I am looking forward to seeing how it runs, brother.

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I got up early to delid the CPU. It always amazes me how much better than makes things. I increased the core clock 100MHz across all 16 cores and my max temperature is still over 20°C cooler. I hate owning CPUs that are not delidded. The experience sucks with the IHS.

 

So, I gave up on trying to use Windoze worthless trash software bloat to determine whether or not 3DvCache actually worked or not. Micro$lop butchers or botches up everything they get their hands on.

 

I used Process Lasso to set parameters on the EXE file to force 3DvCache CCD0 use or all-core use with both CCDs.

 

As you can see below, it DOES make a difference.

 

All Core (no 3DvCache)

 

CCD0 only (3DvCache only) - I used Process Lasso for this instead of Windoze trash

 

All Core (no 3DvCache)

 

CCD0 only (3DvCache only) - I used Process Lasso for this instead of Windoze trash

 

Amd chips are cheaper but the motherboard options are slim pickings. 

 

Finally got fed up with oem motherboards on the Dell precisions so I'm selling off a few of them and moving to a DIY solution. The board came with a couple xeon silvers which I s fine for testing but long term I'm probably going with a couple xeon gold 6248's 20c/40t 

 

Ordered a be Quiet 1000w for it as well I'll begin testing it over the weekend. 

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Awesome. I am looking forward to seeing how it runs, brother.

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I got up early to delid the CPU. It always amazes me how much better than makes things. I increased the core clock 100MHz across all 16 cores and my max temperature is still over 20°C cooler. I hate owning CPUs that are not delidded. The experience sucks with the IHS.

 

So, I gave up on trying to use Windoze worthless trash software bloat to determine whether or not 3DvCache actually worked or not. Micro$lop butchers or botches up everything they get their hands on.

 

I used Process Lasso to set parameters on the EXE file to force 3DvCache CCD0 use or all-core use with both CCDs.

 

As you can see below, it DOES make a difference.

 

All Core (no 3DvCache)

 

CCD0 only (3DvCache only) - I used Process Lasso for this instead of Windoze trash

 

All Core (no 3DvCache)

 

CCD0 only (3DvCache only) - I used Process Lasso for this instead of Windoze trash

 

Did you post the same screen shot for CP2077 twice? I'm not seeing the difference.

 

Second you can definitely see the uplift when in play.

 

When X3D is properly utilized, it hits hard. But when it doesn't especially if you didn't tune your system, whew....brutal.

 

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So Jufus got scammed from BB. He picked up an open box Gigabyte 5090 and it was missing the GPU and RAM. One plus on Microcenter is they test all 5090 returns real time before issuing a return.

 

I've had a few issues with BB over the years with either the wrong product in the box (7950x when it was supposed to be a 7950x3d) or no product at all (when i bought a sony camera and the box was empty) to back in the day WoW gamecards already being used.

 

I still love them though. When they're firing on all cylinders it's good stuff.

 

Timestamped:

 

 

Pic:

 

[Talon]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Did you post the same screen shot for CP2077 twice? I'm not seeing the difference.

 

Second you can definitely see the uplift when in play.

 

When X3D is properly utilized, it hits hard. But when it doesn't especially if you didn't tune your system, whew....brutal.

 

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So Jufus got scammed from BB. He picked up an open box Gigabyte 5090 and it was missing the GPU and RAM. One plus on Microcenter is they test all 5090 returns real time before issuing a return.

 

I've had a few issues with BB over the years with either the wrong product in the box (7950x when it was supposed to be a 7950x3d) or no product at all (when i bought a sony camera and the box was empty) to back in the day WoW gamecards already being used.

 

I still love them though. When they're firing on all cylinders it's good stuff.

 

Timestamped:

 

 

Pic:

 

 

Damn, scammers now running scams through BB. That is just unreal, I hate people lol. 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Did you post the same screen shot for CP2077 twice? I'm not seeing the difference.

Ooops, I sure did. I updated the post with this image. Pretty huge difference in high and low FPS, and those runs are 4K with no frame generation.

 

CCD0 only (3DvCache only) - I used Process Lasso for this instead of Windoze trash

[Papusan]

On 8/28/2025 at 7:56 AM, Mr. Fox said:

I think we should call BTF trash WTF instead.

 

Spot on. From 55:28

 

[electrosoft]

17 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Spot on. From 55:28

 

 

Biggest problem to me is the lack of a standard for the BTF connectors. Hyte goes where the market goes as do all case makers. If BTF is properly standardized and gains traction, they will go there but it has been swirling around for years now going nowhere so.....

 

And that makes the Matrix and Astral BTF editions problematic because it suddenly limits your choice of motherboards if you want to switch/upgrade. I don't care for that.

 

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20 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Ooops, I sure did. I updated the post with this image. Pretty huge difference in high and low FPS, and those runs are 4K with no frame generation.

 

CCD0 only (3DvCache only) - I used Process Lasso for this instead of Windoze trash

 

Ahhh, much better. Here is a good video from BBT where he pits maxed tuned (memory and CPU)  14900KS vs 285k vs 9800X3D vs 9950X3D in a proper shootout.

 

The overall consensus is still the 9800X3D is  still king. Shines at 1080p. Loses a little steam at 1440p and really loses steam at 4k to pretty much make all tuned chips the same and the 285k actually comes out on top as the GPU experiences being capped. 

 

Like I said, 285k gets a bad rap, but properly tuned and paired with what is gobsmackingly expensive ram now, it can hold its own and then some. Also the newest edition of Intel's APO is actually valid now and works as intended when it can take advantage of its optimizations.

 

For X3D, it comes down to the games being played/tested and the resolution too and how that effects the cache and saturation.

 

Even Jufes, who beats on AMD regularly said if all he played was racing sims or flight sims hell yeah his main rig would be X3D as it dominates in those types of games.

 

I still feel to this day the 14900KS when tuned properly provides a smoother, more steady gameplay experience in WoW for handling the lows but I also play at 4k maxed out so that subjects the X3D cache to more saturation than 1440p and especially 1080p. I actually logged into my WoW account on the wife's system the other day and played for a few hours at 1440p then set internal render to 4k for the next few hours and the gameplay, even on her 9070xt, is just smoother especially in raids.

 

The 4k evidence from BBT's video just makes me want to build out a 285k even more at this point for 4k testing. I said it before, but if a decent 285k sample pops up on the forums, I'll probably pick it up and build out a cheap rig and just use these 8400 Kingspec sticks and see where they can go on it.

 

Overall, when tuned ALL the top end chips provide a good gaming experience.

 

 

[Papusan]

 

People still don't know why you would make two colors tiny trash. For the design ? 

 

I've plugged it in as hard as possible (with care) but there's a little bit of yellow left, is this ok or do I have to reconnect it?