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[Papusan]

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

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For most of us, it is going to be the 800w Matrix vBIOS we run anyhow. It is superior with more granular control. I don't want my 5090 locked at an unnatural 1.15v at all times or trying to suck down the sun and go nova especially lacking the proper cooling for support which realistically is LN2 or at least a chiller.

 

800w Matrix vBIOS is going to end up as the perfect one.

 

Matrix vbios = Gigachad+ 800w

 

 

 

This.

 

Do you plan on attempting to use it @Papusan since you can't flash the Matrix vbios?

 

 

Yowza! Looking forward to some chilled results @Mr. Fox!

 

Crazy the Asus XOC bios just comes out full tilt like that and pretty much goes crazy. +4000 memory and basically all the W and V you probably need. You could always push past 1.15 w/ the EVC2 though....

 

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@Talon now that you have a Suprim 5090 with the Matrix goodness, how is it stacking up against your HOF 5090D in just basic air testing so far?

 

With the Asus XOC and Matrix 800w out in the wild, what are the plans now?

 

 

 

Yup, I will use it. And you can play with the PL slider and curve for the voltage for daily use to reduce the chances for melting connector. Asus really screwed up this gen. And Nvidia should have made it for two power connectors as standard for all 5090's (Because the 5090 ain't a 600W card).

 

And Asus try hiding behind Nvidia's threats to lock out everything that smells oc'ing is a Joke. Nvidia knows what Galax offers with their HOF cards. Nvidia know Galax offer OC tools and XOC firmware. This won't change. But as usual, Asus really don't want offer people what some of the enthusiasts want. 

 

Asus is more a pure a gamer boy brand now. More like Razer. Not a real power house the enthusiasts want from the brand.

 

The BTF design for the limited Edition of the Matrix is a slap in the face for performance enthusiasts. The choice of that card design was meant to to help upsell/marketing of their BTF boards that sell in low quantity. 

[Rage Set]

Hey Guys,

 

Do I buy the 9070XT at MSRP before all hell breaks loose or get an open box 5080 from Newegg that is not returnable at $1000? I am not looking to game really, but I want a card for video editing. I poured over videos on how good the 9070XT is with DR, Blender, but the common theme is to get a 5090 if I want the best all around GPU. 

 

I'm torn on the 5080, because I know the card will be replaced by a 5080 Super/TI, even though it has been delayed or won't come out due to DRAM concerns. 

 

I guess if I go the 9070XT route, I can create an all AMD PC that will work wonders in Linux. Or should I just bite the bullet and buy the cheapest 5090?

[Papusan]

39 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

Hey Guys,

 

Do I buy the 9070XT at MSRP before all hell breaks loose or get an open box 5080 from Newegg that is not returnable at $1000? I am not looking to game really, but I want a card for video editing. I poured over videos on how good the 9070XT is with DR, Blender, but the common theme is to get a 5090 if I want the best all around GPU. 

 

I'm torn on the 5080, because I know the card will be replaced by a 5080 Super/TI, even though it has been delayed or won't come out due to DRAM concerns. 

 

I guess if I go the 9070XT route, I can create an all AMD PC that will work wonders in Linux. Or should I just bite the bullet and buy the cheapest 5090?

 

Maybe try find an cheap open box with 5080. Some got lucky. Sub $700 ain't bad.

 

And some bought trash. 3 or 4 see same problem in the same thread.

 

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT Content Creation Review

If you go for the cheapest 5090 you find you may go break even when the next gen is out (no loss when you sell it in the used market). If you are after content creation then you should really look at 5090 or damn cheap 5080. Pick your poison (everything is expencive anyway).

 

 

[Talon]

12 hours ago, electrosoft said:

now that you have a Suprim 5090 with the Matrix goodness, how is it stacking up against your HOF 5090D in just basic air testing so far?

 

With the Asus XOC and Matrix 800w out in the wild, what are the plans now?

 

My Suprim Air is the better card with 800w Matrix vBIOS, but the 5090D with HOF XOC vBIOS is great too. I got all of my water cooling parts together, I still need to block the card lol. Just been lazy. 

 

But the Matrix vBIOS just had something special and it's a better sample chip. But at 800w, I was feeling the cable and it def felt warm, but not sure how much that means. But having the dual 12v2x6 connectors does make me feel good and not have to worry about the cables melting, at least in theory. So I guess I'll daily my Galax card in my main rig, and the Suprim will stay in the living room setup. Honestly such an overkill card, but after I saw the Matrix vBIOS, I wanted to dump that TUF 5090 so fast. Now lol it could have had the XOC, but I still think the Matrix is best for daily. 

Lots of words, prefer the Suprim card, insane cooler, Matrix vBIOS with 800w is ideal, and +4000 mem isn't really useful TBH. But peace of mind with the dual cables has me wanting to stick wtih the HOF, plus it's super unique. 

 

I also had a 5070 Ti Prime but sold that last week too. So 5090s it is until I get bored again. I really do need to put this HOF under water though, ASAP. Especially with the cold days coming this week, I could try and push the card. Maybe go outside and bench in the garage lol. 

[electrosoft]

11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am going to have to fire up the chiller tomorrow and play with the power slider to see if I can reign in some of that because pulling 1700W from the wall is not sustainable. It will trip circuit breakers (and I have this on a 20A circuit) and exhausts the capacity of my 1500W UPS. If that does not work will I will just go back to the Matrix vBIOS and use the EVC2. I'm not gonna lie though... I just LOVED seeing that 1.150V default. 

 

For now I just flipped my GPU over to using the stock Zotac 600W vBIOS. I think letting it run wild and free on the XOC vBIOS probably isn't a smart thing to do. It might be safe, but I don't want to just assume that and hope it turns out OK. Temping fate to such an extreme degree (1700W from the wall, probably 1300W from the GPU) with the petite arson PCIe power cable should put the fear of God in all of us that possess an ordinary amount of common sense.

 

Here is something interesting. I use a GPU overclocking program in Linux called LACT. It shows both core and hotspot temperature readings on the 5090. So, maybe the register is actually there and the NVIDIOTS gave Windoze software developers marching orders to not expose it. -?- I think they rank right up there with bad actors like crApple when it comes to being among the kings of command and control dictatorships.

 

I received my Thermal Grizzly GPU die gaskets for liquid metal, so I really need to make time for that. The package comes with 3 for 4090 and 3 for 5090, so I can do both GPUs. I am expecting to get an offer on the job I want most on Monday or Tuesday and I am sure that I am going to initially not have much discretionary time to do things until I get past my orientation, which usually take a bit more time in c-suite positions.

 

Maybe if you can tame the Asus XOC a bit and dial it in like @Papusan is going to take a whack at that might provide a better vBIOS overall but you are shunted and with an EVC2 so it will be interesting to see you test both against each other in a properly chilled environment and see which one rises to the top especially with the Asus XOC you have access to higher memory settings.

 

If Linux has a program that can actually show hotspots on 5090 series, that would be a slap in the face to Windows users yet again. Watching the human centipede that is all this incestuous investing in each other with Nvidia, AMD, OpenAI, Intel and more just shows the relationships at the top with these companies.

 

Good luck on the job offer @Mr. Fox! 

 

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Yup, I will use it. And you can play with the PL slider and curve for the voltage for daily use to reduce the chances for melting connector. Asus really screwed up this gen. And Nvidia should have made it for two power connectors as standard for all 5090's (Because the 5090 ain't a 600W card).

 

And Asus try hiding behind Nvidia's threats to lock out everything that smells oc'ing is a Joke. Nvidia knows what Galax offers with their HOF cards. Nvidia know Galax offer OC tools and XOC firmware. This won't change. But as usual, Asus really don't want offer people what some of the enthusiasts want. 

 

Asus is more a pure a gamer boy brand now. More like Razer. Not a real power house the enthusiasts want from the brand.

 

The BTF design for the limited Edition of the Matrix is a slap in the face for performance enthusiasts. The choice of that card design was meant to to help upsell/marketing of their BTF boards that sell in low quantity. 

 

Looking forward to your LC adventures with reigning it in @Papusan!

 

And yeah, I agree 100% with the rest of your post. Asus did have that tiny slice of XOC going and it is a strange coincidence it is 10 months on the nose almost since 5090 release that the XOC officially goes wild everywhere.

 

What is Asus's official position on the XOC bios and it now being available everywhere? Is it a "leak" or did they basically give permission to let it go wild?

 

Until BTF can become a standard, it will remain a segmented niche and probably die off sooner than later. 

 

45 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

Hey Guys,

 

Do I buy the 9070XT at MSRP before all hell breaks loose or get an open box 5080 from Newegg that is not returnable at $1000? I am not looking to game really, but I want a card for video editing. I poured over videos on how good the 9070XT is with DR, Blender, but the common theme is to get a 5090 if I want the best all around GPU. 

 

I'm torn on the 5080, because I know the card will be replaced by a 5080 Super/TI, even though it has been delayed or won't come out due to DRAM concerns. 

 

I guess if I go the 9070XT route, I can create an all AMD PC that will work wonders in Linux. Or should I just bite the bullet and buy the cheapest 5090?

 

 

5080 is a banger of a card, but the price:performance is in the 9070xt's favor if you can snag one at MSRP.

 

5090 is far and away the best that's true.

 

5080 overall is a better card than the 9070xt except the price.

 

They all definitely go "in line" and the price:performance gets worse as you go from the 9070xt (best) -> 5080 (decent if you can score at MSRP or below) -> 5090 (worst by far but an absolute beast).

 

2.5 months ago you could have found a 5090 for $1999.99 on the regular, but that low dip is long gone and now prices are rising. After the holidays it's going to slowly but surely get very rough for all video cards.

 

Microcenter has the Challenger and Reaper 9070xt models in stock for $579.99 each. You can't beat that. That's below MSRP on both. If you want to pony up a bit more for a heartier model, Steel Legends are $619 and Hellhounds are $629. If you have a MC credit card, you will lop off 5% right at the counter making them even better buys.

 

Microcenter has Zotac 5080's for $999.99. They are solid and beefy.

 

I picked up a Nitro+ for $699.99 with 7% back = $650.99 but then yesterday I found an Asrock Challenger 9070xt open box on Microcenter's page for $521.95 and using the MCC card = $495.85 so I snagged that ASAP for pickup.

 

I haven't even opened up the Nitro+ yet (Amazon and returns till January 26th 2026). I'm going to pick up the Asrock and run it through its paces and if it is good enough I'll just send back the Nitro+ unopened. 

 

 

1 minute ago, Talon said:

 

My Suprim Air is the better card with 800w Matrix vBIOS, but the 5090D with HOF XOC vBIOS is great too. I got all of my water cooling parts together, I still need to block the card lol. Just been lazy. 

 

But the Matrix vBIOS just had something special and it's a better sample chip. But at 800w, I was feeling the cable and it def felt warm, but not sure how much that means. But having the dual 12v2x6 connectors does make me feel good and not have to worry about the cables melting, at least in theory. So I guess I'll daily my Galax card in my main rig, and the Suprim will stay in the living room setup. Honestly such an overkill card, but after I saw the Matrix vBIOS, I wanted to dump that TUF 5090 so fast. Now lol it could have had the XOC, but I still think the Matrix is best for daily. 

Lots of words, prefer the Suprim card, insane cooler, Matrix vBIOS with 800w is ideal, and +4000 mem isn't really useful TBH. But peace of mind with the dual cables has me wanting to stick wtih the HOF, plus it's super unique. 

 

I agree on the HOF and that peace of mind of dual connectors. Like I said, I'm not doing anything with mine till I get my Wireview Pro 2 whenever they ship (I think those of us who ordered one all did the launch orders at the end of October). Once that comes in, I'll switch over to a 12v2x6 pure run end to end.

 

I like the unique look and design of the HOF. I always have. It's just the price. Same reason I didn't pick up a Matrix 5090 (along with the BTF nonsense).

 

MSI Vanguard and Suprim coolers are pretty bonkers and the Astral cooler is no joke either. I know when I had the Ventus briefly, it routinely sat in the high 60's low 70's just for daily use. Coming off the Astral, I had forgotten even in normal use the 5090 can run pretty warm. I was used to high 50's and sometimes low 60s....

 

What PSU do you run with the HOF?

 

Asus Z890 Strix-A is due for delivery tomorrow. Still on the hunt for a CPU, but I might snag one of the dirt cheap 265k deals offered and get BF6 with it for free.

 

 

[Talon]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Maybe if you can tame the Asus XOC a bit and dial it in like @Papusan is going to take a whack at that might provide a better vBIOS overall but you are shunted and with an EVC2 so it will be interesting to see you test both against each other in a properly chilled environment and see which one rises to the top especially with the Asus XOC you have access to higher memory settings.

 

If Linux has a program that can actually show hotspots on 5090 series, that would be a slap in the face to Windows users yet again. Watching the human centipede that is all this incestuous investing in each other with Nvidia, AMD, OpenAI, Intel and more just shows the relationships at the top with these companies.

 

Good luck on the job offer @Mr. Fox! 

 

 

Looking forward to your LC adventures with reigning it in @Papusan!

 

And yeah, I agree 100% with the rest of your post. Asus did have that tiny slice of XOC going and it is a strange coincidence it is 10 months on the nose almost since 5090 release that the XOC officially goes wild everywhere.

 

What is Asus's official position on the XOC bios and it now being available everywhere? Is it a "leak" or did they basically give permission to let it go wild?

 

Until BTF can become a standard, it will remain a segmented niche and probably die off sooner than later. 

 

 

 

5080 is a banger of a card, but the price:performance is in the 9070xt's favor if you can snag one at MSRP.

 

5090 is far and away the best that's true.

 

5080 overall is a better card than the 9070xt except the price.

 

They all definitely go "in line" and the price:performance gets worse as you go from the 9070xt (best) -> 5080 (decent if you can score at MSRP or below) -> 5090 (worst by far but an absolute beast).

 

2.5 months ago you could have found a 5090 for $1999.99 on the regular, but that low dip is long gone and now prices are rising. After the holidays it's going to slowly but surely get very rough for all video cards.

 

Microcenter has the Challenger and Reaper 9070xt models in stock for $579.99 each. You can't beat that. That's below MSRP on both. If you want to pony up a bit more for a heartier model, Steel Legends are $619 and Hellhounds are $629. If you have a MC credit card, you will lop off 5% right at the counter making them even better buys.

 

Microcenter has Zotac 5080's for $999.99. They are solid and beefy.

 

I picked up a Nitro+ for $699.99 with 7% back = $650.99 but then yesterday I found an Asrock Challenger 9070xt open box on Microcenter's page for $521.95 and using the MCC card = $495.85 so I snagged that ASAP for pickup.

 

I haven't even opened up the Nitro+ yet (Amazon and returns till January 26th 2026). I'm going to pick up the Asrock and run it through its paces and if it is good enough I'll just send back the Nitro+ unopened. 

 

 

 

I agree on the HOF and that peace of mind of dual connectors. Like I said, I'm not doing anything with mine till I get my Wireview Pro 2 whenever they ship (I think those of us who ordered one all did the launch orders at the end of October). Once that comes in, I'll switch over to a 12v2x6 pure run end to end.

 

I like the unique look and design of the HOF. I always have. It's just the price. Same reason I didn't pick up a Matrix 5090 (along with the BTF nonsense).

 

MSI Vanguard and Suprim coolers are pretty bonkers and the Astral cooler is no joke either. I know when I had the Ventus briefly, it routinely sat in the high 60's low 70's just for daily use. Coming off the Astral, I had forgotten even in normal use the 5090 can run pretty warm. I was used to high 50's and sometimes low 60s....

 

What PSU do you run with the HOF?

 

Asus Z890 Strix-A is due for delivery tomorrow. Still on the hunt for a CPU, but I might snag one of the dirt cheap 265k deals offered and get BF6 with it for free.

 

 

Rocking my 1600W T2 still. Dual 4 8 pins to 12v2x6 connectors from cablemod. Works flawlessly. 
 

should have sold you my spare apex and 285K lol. 

[Papusan]

 

15 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

For now I just flipped my GPU over to using the stock Zotac 600W vBIOS. I think letting it run wild and free on the XOC vBIOS probably isn't a smart thing to do. It might be safe, but I don't want to just assume that and hope it turns out OK.

 

Slight above 700W and the cable feels quite warm. The Matrix without powering the BTF connector. 

 

900-1000W for daily use is the recipe for a disaster. Even at 800W you may test out your luck.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

Slight above 700W and the cable feels quite warm. The Matrix without powering the BTF connector. 

 

900-1000W for daily use is the recipe for a disaster. Even at 800W you may test out your luck.

 

One take away is watching the voltage scale with more power given to the card....

 

at 600w, it was topping out at 1.035v

at 700w (no OC) it was topping out at 1.070v

at 730w+ (OC) it was topping out at 1.085v which is probably its limit

 

Adds weight to cards with higher Vmax potentially scaling better with this Matrix 800w 

 

of course you can just install Asus XOC and have your card against its will pushed to 1.15v..... 🤣

 

That LM application and barrier choice is just atrocious and I would have liked to seen him try a few different 12v2x6 cables to see if they all get equally warm not just the seasonic variant.

 

 

[Papusan]

9 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

One take away is watching the voltage scale with more power given to the card....

 

at 600w, it was topping out at 1.035v

at 700w (no OC) it was topping out at 1.070v

at 730w+ (OC) it was topping out at 1.085v which is probably its limit

 

Adds weight to cards with higher Vmax potentially scaling better with this Matrix 800w 

 

of course you can just install Asus XOC and have your card against its will pushed to 1.15v..... 🤣

 

That LM application and barrier choice is just atrocious and I would have liked to seen him try a few different 12v2x6 cables to see if they all get equally warm not just the seasonic variant.

 

 

 

Maybe A$us binned chips for the Matrix. Aka binned for lowest possible voltage to match the 800W target. With two power connectors nothing stopped them at 800W. Maybe Nvidia? They bragged about 1300W for the BTF connector. So why only 800W ? Because they was vorried about the cooling?

[Mr. Fox]

I haven't uploaded a video in a long time. Now that I finally found stable settings I wanted to save a permanent record for myself and help anyone else that feels like they are spinning their wheels. Moving from Intel to AMD overclocking is more difficult than moving from Windoze to Linux.

 

Maybe (just maybe) there is something in here that would be useful to Brothers @jaybee83 or @Raiderman

[Mr. Fox]

8 hours ago, Rage Set said:

Hey Guys,

 

Do I buy the 9070XT at MSRP before all hell breaks loose or get an open box 5080 from Newegg that is not returnable at $1000? I am not looking to game really, but I want a card for video editing. I poured over videos on how good the 9070XT is with DR, Blender, but the common theme is to get a 5090 if I want the best all around GPU. 

 

I'm torn on the 5080, because I know the card will be replaced by a 5080 Super/TI, even though it has been delayed or won't come out due to DRAM concerns. 

 

I guess if I go the 9070XT route, I can create an all AMD PC that will work wonders in Linux. Or should I just bite the bullet and buy the cheapest 5090?

Nice to see you, brother. You have been missed.

 

My vote would be to stick with NVIDIA. The 9070 XT was a great GPU overall, and it was a good value at the time I purchased it. However, the hotspot temps are the signature Radeon inferno and the feature set is not nearly as robust. NVIDIA is grossly overpriced, no question. But, you do get more features and an overall better experience despite the sucky premium.

 

Linux (Kubuntu) is my daily driver and I have no issues with NVIDIA. Even CPU and GPU overclocking is easy. CPU using CPUFreq GUI and GPU using LACT GUI.

[Mr. Fox]

8 hours ago, Rage Set said:

Do I buy the 9070XT at MSRP before all hell breaks loose

If Steve is right you might be able to get a 5090 for a decent price. Let's hope it crashes real hard. I wouldn't mind my 5090 losing value if that means that I could buy a second 5090 extra cheap. If it is cheap enough I might even consider a 5080. Anything but an FE turd.

 

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

If Steve is right you might be able to get a 5090 for a decent price. Let's hope it crashes real hard. I wouldn't mind my 5090 losing value if that means that I could buy a second 5090 extra cheap. If it is cheap enough I might even consider a 5080. Anything but an FE turd.

 

 

 

Watching the video, 5090 is the only card that actually went up in price since June on average.

 

Every other card has had price reductions especially the 9070xt, 5080 and 5070ti in that order.

 

Overall stock is up except for 5090

 

Basically, the gpu pricing cratering (which means cards are at or in very small pockets below MSRP)  is applicable to just about every model EXCEPT the 5090 and I suspect the 5080 to a degree will also taper off sooner than later and head back up.

 

The repeated warning is with the memory pricing issue only getting worse, expect pricing to go UP not down by the new year on basically ALL cards so if you're going to buy (and you didn't back in early September), now is the best time.

 

Nvidia rumored to be decoupling selling memory with their GPU packages is going to wreak havoc on the market in a big way as GPU makers now have to go negotiate their own prices which we know even Asus won't have the leverage Nvidia has when dealing with the likes of Samsung, Micron or Hynix.

 

 

GN: "current series GPUs have MSRP listings in stock, except for the 5090. Unfortunately the 5090 was largely unaffected by  the marke's improvements and continues to  stand out in terms of the most abysmal price hikes over MSRP. We may check back in a few more months specifically to look for any meaningful price reductions to the 5090, but we generally think that these  are probably the most stable prices we'll see in the GPU market before the Dram  price increases start getting  passed along to the consumer here as well."

 

Basically, if he had to predict/guess, GPU prices will trend up not down.

 

TL;DR Buy now not later.....

 

@Rage Set now is most likely the time you want to buy a GPU. 9070xt is best bang:buck right now pricing wise for ~$600. 5080 is a much more feature rich card but ~$1000. If you want to split the difference and get all the Nvidia features and still have a card that overall is a little faster than the 9070xt, look for a 5070ti. It checks all the boxes and will be priced closer to the 9070xt than the 5080 and numerous models are in stock at MSRP ($749.99).

 

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As for Black Friday pricing.....

 

Personally, I found black friday pricing to be a major bust on anything meaningful. I didn't find one single thing that stood out. Only benefit was the black friday pricing on the Asus Z890 Strix-A and then picking up an open box that was priced based on that black friday pricing for $176. It arrived a few hours ago and outside of a couple of thermal past fingerprints, it looks brand new including peels on all the SSD heatsinks and all pack ins sealed. I won't know its working status till I slap a CPU in there speaking of which.....

 

Picking up an open box 9070xt for $495 and an open box 265k for $205 from MC tomorrow to complete my "Arrowhead Adventures as cheap as possible"

 

I'm really hoping the Challenger 9070xt is decent enough to send back the Nitro+ sealed but the Nitro+ basically has one of the best builds and heatsinks on it (only bested in tests by the XFX but that one is $740....) then build out and tweak the 265k with these 8400 sticks and see how far they can go. Arrowlake at 4k gaming properly tuned looks to be pretty righteous so this will help scratch that itch I've been having without breaking my wallet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

23 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am going to have to fire up the chiller tomorrow and play with the power slider to see if I can reign in some of that because pulling 1700W from the wall is not sustainable. It will trip circuit breakers (and I have this on a 20A circuit) and exhausts the capacity of my 1500W UPS. If that does not work will I will just go back to the Matrix vBIOS and use the EVC2. I'm not gonna lie though... I just LOVED seeing that 1.150V default. 

 

For now I just flipped my GPU over to using the stock Zotac 600W vBIOS. I think letting it run wild and free on the XOC vBIOS probably isn't a smart thing to do. It might be safe, but I don't want to just assume that and hope it turns out OK. Temping fate to such an extreme degree (1700W from the wall, probably 1300W from the GPU) with the petite arson PCIe power cable should put the fear of God in all of us that possess an ordinary amount of common sense.

 

Here is something interesting. I use a GPU overclocking program in Linux called LACT. It shows both core and hotspot temperature readings on the 5090. So, maybe the register is actually there and the NVIDIOTS gave Windoze software developers marching orders to not expose it. -?- I think they rank right up there with bad actors like crApple when it comes to being among the kings of command and control dictatorships.

 

I received my Thermal Grizzly GPU die gaskets for liquid metal, so I really need to make time for that. The package comes with 3 for 4090 and 3 for 5090, so I can do both GPUs. I am expecting to get an offer on the job I want most on Monday or Tuesday and I am sure that I am going to initially not have much discretionary time to do things until I get past my orientation, which usually take a bit more time in c-suite positions.

 

well dayum, looks like ill have two vbioses to play around with once my wireview pro II comes in 😄 so if i understand it correctly, the asus XOC vbios forces 1.15V at all times on the core? is there an option to lower it and have some control? otherwise id have to try and reign in the temps via power limiting but id prefer voltage tbh. in any case, nice to FINALLY have more options 🙂 

 

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

Slight above 700W and the cable feels quite warm. The Matrix without powering the BTF connector. 

 

900-1000W for daily use is the recipe for a disaster. Even at 800W you may test out your luck.

 

is it just me or does it somehow feel like running the 5090 at 1kW+ is more dangerous than the 4090 at 1000W? with my previous 4090 suprim i just ran the 1000W XOC vbios as a daily without issues. and that was without any monitoring tool like the wireview i will have available now.

 

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I haven't uploaded a video in a long time. Now that I finally found stable settings I wanted to save a permanent record for myself and help anyone else that feels like they are spinning their wheels. Moving from Intel to AMD overclocking is more difficult than moving from Windoze to Linux.

 

Maybe (just maybe) there is something in here that would be useful to Brothers @jaybee83 or @Raiderman

 

sweet, ill save it up for future reference 🙂 want to get my DDR5 issues sorted first before i start properly tuning the CPU. but now with the Matrix and XOC vBioses out ill have to go back to GPU tuning too 😄 so much to do, so little time, argh! enjoy the bit of freetime u have now between jobs, im sure ull be in over ur head once the new position starts 🙂 keeping my fingers crossed for you on that btw!

[Papusan]

11 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Watching the video, 5090 is the only card that actually went up in price since June on average.

 

Every other card has had price reductions especially the 9070xt, 5080 and 5070ti in that order.

 

Overall stock is up except for 5090

 

Basically, the gpu pricing cratering (which means cards are at or in very small pockets below MSRP)  is applicable to just about every model EXCEPT the 5090 and I suspect the 5080 to a degree will also taper off sooner than later and head back up.

 

The repeated warning is with the memory pricing issue only getting worse, expect pricing to go UP not down by the new year on basically ALL cards so if you're going to buy (and you didn't back in early September), now is the best time.

 

Nvidia rumored to be decoupling selling memory with their GPU packages is going to wreak havoc on the market in a big way as GPU makers now have to go negotiate their own prices which we know even Asus won't have the leverage Nvidia has when dealing with the likes of Samsung, Micron or Hynix.

 

 

GN: "current series GPUs have MSRP listings in stock, except for the 5090. Unfortunately the 5090 was largely unaffected by  the marke's improvements and continues to  stand out in terms of the most abysmal price hikes over MSRP. We may check back in a few more months specifically to look for any meaningful price reductions to the 5090, but we generally think that these  are probably the most stable prices we'll see in the GPU market before the Dram  price increases start getting  passed along to the consumer here as well."

 

Basically, if he had to predict/guess, GPU prices will trend up not down.

 

TL;DR Buy now not later.....

 

@Rage Set now is most likely the time you want to buy a GPU. 9070xt is best bang:buck right now pricing wise for ~$600. 5080 is a much more feature rich card but ~$1000. If you want to split the difference and get all the Nvidia features and still have a card that overall is a little faster than the 9070xt, look for a 5070ti. It checks all the boxes and will be priced closer to the 9070xt than the 5080 and numerous models are in stock at MSRP ($749.99).

 

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As for Black Friday pricing.....

 

Personally, I found black friday pricing to be a major bust on anything meaningful. I didn't find one single thing that stood out. Only benefit was the black friday pricing on the Asus Z890 Strix-A and then picking up an open box that was priced based on that black friday pricing for $176. It arrived a few hours ago and outside of a couple of thermal past fingerprints, it looks brand new including peels on all the SSD heatsinks and all pack ins sealed. I won't know its working status till I slap a CPU in there speaking of which.....

 

Picking up an open box 9070xt for $495 and an open box 265k for $205 from MC tomorrow to complete my "Arrowhead Adventures as cheap as possible"

 

I'm really hoping the Challenger 9070xt is decent enough to send back the Nitro+ sealed but the Nitro+ basically has one of the best builds and heatsinks on it (only bested in tests by the XFX but that one is $740....) then build out and tweak the 265k with these 8400 sticks and see how far they can go. Arrowlake at 4k gaming properly tuned looks to be pretty righteous so this will help scratch that itch I've been having without breaking my wallet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Another way to see it... But yaea, 5090 live their own lives. Same as with 24GB 4090's.

 

 

NVIDIA restocks GeForce RTX 5090 Founders Edition in Europe
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-restocks-geforce-rtx-5090-founders-edition-in-europe

 

8 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

is it just me or does it somehow feel like running the 5090 at 1kW+ is more dangerous than the 4090 at 1000W? with my previous 4090 suprim i just ran the 1000W XOC vbios as a daily without issues. and that was without any monitoring tool like the wireview i will have available now.

 

Can't compare them. 5090 ain't a 600W graphics card. And not many run 1000W on 4090's. Neither did many go above 660-700W for daily use with their 4090's. 800W ain't healthy for gaming all day long with single tiny trash power connector.

 

 

Edit. Why not make a 800W Matrix bios for Asus cards if they are so worried that people will use the 2001W XOC version? The cat is out of the bag. Just release it. 

Unofficial ASUS RTX 5090 BIOS Emerges With Extreme 2000W Power Target

ASUS responded quickly after the BIOS began circulating. The company emphasized that installing unofficial firmware carries significant risks, including potential hardware damage and warranty loss. Because the BIOS bypasses the standard checks used to keep the GPU and its VRM within safe operating conditions, any attempt to use it in a normal system could cause immediate failures. 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Welp. I guess I am done with EA forever now. Those scurvy bastards deployed the Javelin Secure Poot cancer even to Battlefield V now. If I had any hope that they would consider doing the right thing I would ask for a refund. I will never purchase another piece of digital trash from those rooster sucking creeps ever again. I should sell my EA account and all of the games in it. If someone needs a second EA account and you are willing to put up with the Secure Poot feces being enabled for one of their kids to play independently send me a PM. It's got quite a few titles in it that I will never be installing or playing again.

 

Man, 4090 is still such an amazing GPU. It's not a 5090, but it doesn't need to be. 

[electrosoft]

14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I haven't uploaded a video in a long time. Now that I finally found stable settings I wanted to save a permanent record for myself and help anyone else that feels like they are spinning their wheels. Moving from Intel to AMD overclocking is more difficult than moving from Windoze to Linux.

 

Maybe (just maybe) there is something in here that would be useful to Brothers @jaybee83 or @Raiderman

 

Nice! I'll have to take a looksy and see what I can extract and apply to my humble 9800X3D and Asus X870e Hero.  🤣

 

15 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Maybe A$us binned chips for the Matrix. Aka binned for lowest possible voltage to match the 800W target. With two power connectors nothing stopped them at 800W. Maybe Nvidia? They bragged about 1300W for the BTF connector. So why only 800W ? Because they was vorried about the cooling?

 

This is Asus. I highly doubt they binned anything ala 4090 Matrix......

 

Even as robust as the PCB and cooler design is, there is still the fragility of the 600w connector even in the face of the BTF connector which while I'm sure on paper can handle a lot of juice, why chance anything over 800w?

 

They need their "limited edition" (Same card I could have pre-ordered on launch day for well over 8hrs) Matrix cards to be problematic free and run perfectly.

 

Personally, if the BTF connector is so good, I'm not sure why they didn't split the load evenly at a minimum 400/400 or at the very least supply a 3-prong lead and cap the 12v2x6 to an official 450w and the BTF to 350w for an extra added layer of protection.....

 

10 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

well dayum, looks like ill have two vbioses to play around with once my wireview pro II comes in 😄 so if i understand it correctly, the asus XOC vbios forces 1.15V at all times on the core? is there an option to lower it and have some control? otherwise id have to try and reign in the temps via power limiting but id prefer voltage tbh. in any case, nice to FINALLY have more options 🙂 

 

 

is it just me or does it somehow feel like running the 5090 at 1kW+ is more dangerous than the 4090 at 1000W? with my previous 4090 suprim i just ran the 1000W XOC vbios as a daily without issues. and that was without any monitoring tool like the wireview i will have available now.

 

 

Exact same plan of attack, but the 800w is turning out to be the new Gigachad on steroids. I can see a low voltage card wanting to run the XOC though and getting access to all that 1.15v. If it can be dialed in / reeled back, it has its place but for normal use, I still think the Matrix 800w is the way to go because it seems to be the special sauce on all fronts sans memory OC  unless severely voltage capped cards are purposely limited even when running the 800w MatrixMagic.

 

Running XOC on 5090 vs 4090 I rarely approached 500w let alone 600w+ with my 4090 even OC'd in most gaming scenarios whereas OC'd my Vanguard routinely hits 630w and it clearly wants more. At 630w my voltage will hit ~1.090 leaving me a nice voltage chunk on the table that I'm sure the Matrix 800w will gladly slurp up with my 1.125v native cap. I'm not willing to take that leap till I have a nice layer of monitoring, buffer and protection in place. You must be ready and willing to know that 600w connector is going to be severely abused more often than not running either of the bios but especially that XOC, whew.....

 

I can see @Mr. Fox now when 1.15v popped up on his screen and his UPS started to howl going:

 

 

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Another way to see it... But yaea, 5090 live their own lives. Same as with 24GB 4090's.

 

 

NVIDIA restocks GeForce RTX 5090 Founders Edition in Europe
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-restocks-geforce-rtx-5090-founders-edition-in-europe

 

 

Can't compare them. 5090 ain't a 600W graphics card. And not many run 1000W on 4090's. Neither did many go above 660-700W for daily use with their 4090's. 800W ain't healthy for gaming all day long with single tiny trash power connector.

 

 

Edit. Why not make a 800W Matrix bios for Asus cards if they are so worried that people will use the 2001W XOC version? The cat is out of the bag. Just release it. 

Unofficial ASUS RTX 5090 BIOS Emerges With Extreme 2000W Power Target

ASUS responded quickly after the BIOS began circulating. The company emphasized that installing unofficial firmware carries significant risks, including potential hardware damage and warranty loss. Because the BIOS bypasses the standard checks used to keep the GPU and its VRM within safe operating conditions, any attempt to use it in a normal system could cause immediate failures. 

 

 

 

I'll have to take a look at the video later. I usually like his outlook on market forecasting.

 

This is why I'm waiting for my Wireview Pro 2 before I do anything....

 

As for Asus, they don't officially condone everyone using their vBIOS files even on their own cards. They are not going legitimize it by compounding the issue and creating a version of the Matrix to run on their other cards. The objective is clear in their response. That is to NOT run ANY of the XOC/Matrix vBIOS files on ANY of their non sanctioned cards..... that's pretty clear.

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Welp. I guess I am done with EA forever now. Those scurvy bastards deployed with Javelin Secure Poot cancer even to Battlefield V now. If I had any hope that they would consider doing the right thing I would ask for a refund. I will never purchase another piece of digital trash from those rooster sucking creeps ever again. I should sell my EA account and all of the games in it. If someone needs a second EA account and you are willing to put up with the Secure Poot feces being enabled for one of their kids to play independently send me a PM. It's got quite a few titles in it that I will never be installing or playing again.

 

Man, 4090 is still such an amazing GPU. It's not a 5090, but it doesn't need to be. 

 

Wow, they are retroactively adding it? I completely get it and blame the sophistication and sheer number of cheaters out there that somehow extract a sense of victory winning matches cheating at all costs but this truly is the only way to completely oversee every aspect of what is going on because some of the cheats were near that level of low level hardware access to circumvent previous measures. This is what forced EA's hand because in the world of competitive real player games, the sanctity of fair play overrides everything.

 

I remember back in the Quake competitive days so many "good" or "great" players would never attend gaming lans or cons and those who did show their faces suddenly weren't anywhere near as good as they were online....imagine that. 

 

I remember one dude even trying to play isolated in a closed door room with his clan and the judges were like "no, anybody can observe anybody" and they opted not to play and made up some BS excuse.

 

I don't blame EA. I blame the cheaters basically forcing EA to implement their version of The Final Solution and there is no circumventing this measure....yet. I took great joy in watching players being banned at an unprecedented rate in the history of EA competitive games and running to reddit to cry about it.

 

As long as they don't start adding it to non competitive games, I'm ok with it. If I truly wanted to play, I would just create a Windoze gaming only install stripped to the bone on its own drive and tuned to high heaven and keep it all on there and dual or triple boot to it as needed.

[Mr. Fox]

33 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Wow, they are retroactively adding it? I completely get it and blame the sophistication and sheer number of cheaters out there that somehow extract a sense of victory winning matches cheating at all costs but this truly is the only way to completely oversee every aspect of what is going on because some of the cheats were near that level of low level hardware access to circumvent previous measures. This is what forced EA's hand because in the world of competitive real player games, the sanctity of fair play overrides everything.

 

I remember back in the Quake competitive days so many "good" or "great" players would never attend gaming lans or cons and those who did show their faces suddenly weren't anywhere near as good as they were online....imagine that. 

 

I remember one dude even trying to play isolated in a closed door room with his clan and the judges were like "no, anybody can observe anybody" and they opted not to play and made up some BS excuse.

 

I don't blame EA. I blame the cheaters basically forcing EA to implement their version of The Final Solution and there is no circumventing this measure....yet. I took great joy in watching players being banned at an unprecedented rate in the history of EA competitive games and running to reddit to cry about it.

 

As long as they don't start adding it to non competitive games, I'm ok with it. If I truly wanted to play, I would just create a Windoze gaming only install stripped to the bone on its own drive and tuned to high heaven and keep it all on there and dual or triple boot to it as needed.

They retroactively added it to Battlefield 5 and 2042. There is no reason it should be required for single-player campaign and I don't enjoy any game enough to allow them to tell me I have to enable Secure Boot to play. Screw 'em and their digital rubbish. I hope they (Electronic Arts) go broke. That will fix the cheaters. They won't have that as a platform for cheating and they will find another place to cheat because they are losers.

 

Yes, we can blame it on cheaters. 100%. But, the rationale to the approach being taken is flawed and foolish at its core. Penalizing everyone across the board in an effort to circumvent cheating is about as idiotic as the idea of making firearm  ownership illegal to stop shootings. The only people penalized by it are to 99.9% of the population that are law-abiding gun owners and the criminals obtain firearms through illegal channels. You can't fix stupid. You can't fix the mentally handicapped. You also cannot fix the evil or dishonest people of the world. Cheaters are going to cheat, and they'll foil the anti-cheat. But, they'll continue screwing the rest of us on account of the 0.1% and that is the tail wagging the dog.

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Another way to see it... But yaea, 5090 live their own lives. Same as with 24GB 4090's.

 

 

Just watched this video.....

 

I agree about DDR pricing. Right now, it is through the roof because memory makers don't want to ramp up out of fear of a glut and crash like after the CryptoPandemic. It is a false demand scenario atm.  It is in their best interest to not respond to consumer demand but actually AI demand and adjust accordingly with consumer demand playing a small factor in that output calculation. I wouldn't even consider purchasing any kits new right now and if I was building out without some on hand, I would just not buy anything. There is always the specter of the memory OEMs deciding to "ease" demand and simply ramp up their lines at any given time and prices will come down quick. I would not want to fall prey to such control of market conditions and pay these stupid prices for memory.

 

I don't like comparing different class cards based on die sizes. Keep comparisons legit 3070 vs 5070 or 3060 vs 5060 but if he does that, his argument weakens greatly. Using the one off 3060 12gb as a basis doesn't fly.

 

With that being said, is anyone shocked Nvidia still is making a healthy profit even on the low end? They are the Apple of GPUs and their profit margins reign supreme. I shudder at the thought of AMD not offering competitive GPUs sans the top end and what damage Nvidia could do pricing wise with no checks from AMD.

 

He's right in that I do not think (nor should anyone) that the drastic increase in dram prices correlates to drastic increases in GPU prices. My main concern is Nvidia potentially decoupling memory from their GPU package sales because it is no longer lucrative atm and allows them to allocate any and all memory they can get to their much more lucrative AI market at the expense of consumer GPU buyers. I expect Nvidia cards to unevenly trend up 10-15% over MSRP to a new MSRP at the minimum.

 

His analysis of AMD's offerings means even more so if you want a 9070xt, NOW is the time to get it as AMD is running razor thin margins or even potentially taking a small loss on the 9070xt. With VRAM prices going up, a 10% increase in MSRP at a minimum is incoming. AMD is actually priced properly and even with a 10-15% increase in price at MSRP (IE $599-$699)  in the future due to memory costs, they are STILL priced properly which speaks volumes.

 

Normal consumers need to understand these companies exist to make a profit not cajole to their whining and damage their own bottom line and run a loss or break even. On the other hand we have the Apple's and Nvidia's of the world too.....

 

Consumers have the ultimate say and can simply say no to what usually ends up being luxury items. Vote with your wallet.