*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Talon]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

If you use Koolance QD2 or QD3 fittings you don't need a drain. Just unplug the lines and remove the parts and drain them in the sink or the back yard. Give the size of the "AIO" you are building and the pump, you can probably get by with QD2 fittings (smaller size) without any worries about flow/volume. Buy directly from Koolance.com (they are in the Seattle area) rather than elsewhere. I never buy them from third-party distributors any more. Buy silver. The black look nice but the anodize finish allows them to stick open sometimes and it gets black flakes of crap in your waterblock. Trust me on this. I ended up replacing several hundred dollars worth of the black fittings to stop this problem.

 

Thank you! I ordered 2x of the QD2 male and female fittings. Already shipped, hope to get the build done by next week. Any recommendations on tubing? I might need to order something different than what they shipped because it looks a bit short. 

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Thank you! I ordered 2x of the QD2 male and female fittings. Already shipped, hope to get the build done by next week. Any recommendations on tubing? I might need to order something different than what they shipped because it looks a bit short. 

 

Black EPDM rubber tubing. Find the cheapest you can get. No need for maintenance with those tubes. I don't like clear tubes. They all will leak some plasticizer. Some worse than others.

 

All black brother 🙂 Seme as my crocs..... Can't live without them.

 

14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

What would we do without these "precious" AI innovators effing things up for the rest of the world? We have them to thank for many of our man-made financial crises. Families are footing the bill for their retarded nonsense. Even the cost of electricity skyrocketing in some areas is directly or indirectly a result of their insane pursuit of this idiotically obsessive business endeavor. They should not get any special incentives or tax breaks by federal, state or local governments and giving them should be illegal.

 

Smart. Put all the eggs in one basket. 

Micron is killing Crucial SSDs and memory in AI pivot

 

Btw. Intel will launch a very powerful CPU🤐 Gpu power matters.

 

Intel Core Ultra 7 366H Panther Lake iGPU Crushes Radeon 840M On Geekbench

 

Probably not the first one... Should be happy the gpu didn't power up.

 

 

Is Zotac the new Gigabyte? 

 

 

Desperate needs, Desperate solutions....

OpenAI is so desperate for RAM modules that it's sending employees to stores and retailers to get gaming kits.

We are witnessing an escalating situation in the DRAM memory market, reaching levels that are, to put it mildly, unsustainable for the end consumer.

 

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Thank you! I ordered 2x of the QD2 male and female fittings. Already shipped, hope to get the build done by next week. Any recommendations on tubing? I might need to order something different than what they shipped because it looks a bit short. 

I set up a drain on my most recent build mainly due to size and weight of my case. It’s very easy to maintain though. And I use QD3’s with the drain. So I can flush without moving my PC.
 

I think the most important thing is just to flush everything out really well before setting up the loop. Otherwise all of those tiny debris will collect inside of your cold plate fins. And you will see them after 2 months in your cold plate. And be like (What is that) This reduces flow rate as well. Then you gotta tear everything down and take the block apart. So I advise to go heavy on the flushing before assembly, and after. 
 

Another thing I recommend is running more than 1 pump. If one fails, it won’t even matter. Not just that but the 5090’s LOVE high pressure flow with ambient water. I might demonstrate in a video. I run (4) pumps currently, and while you don’t need that many, it’s nice because we can run them all low and slow and maintain high pressure in the loop, until the wattage starts getting up there. You won’t be disappointed with two pumps that’s for sure. 

 

One more thing: Many people do not realize this, you can use whichever G1/4 on the rads as the inlet or the outlet, it just does not matter. However, depending on the port you use, make sure the fans are blowing the correct direction based on which port on the rad is the inlet and which side is the outlet. I learned a lot about this from HWlabs guru on overclock.net, It makes a difference. There is a very small water temp advantage by setting this up the correct way. 
 

 Make sure your loop does not leak. It’s not like what people think and water comes dripping or leaking out, soft tubing is easy and unless you receive a fault radiator or fault block it’s not gonna leak. But you can have a leak and never see water at all, but what happens is your loop is pressurizing your system with air and you’ve got tons of micro bubbles everywhere. Instead of water coming out and dripping it leaking, it’s slowly pulling air in. And removing the fill port sounds like opening a soda bottle lol.
 

 

I know you said you were running a smaller self contained setup, but still all of this stuff applies and may be useful for you. Another thing is, don’t cheap out on fans. After doing this you’re gonna end up expanding pretty fast afterwards probably. That’s what happen to me. I bought an expandable AIO, and went haywire from there. 

[Talon]

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I set up a drain on my most recent build mainly due to size and weight of my case. It’s very easy to maintain though. And I use QD3’s with the drain. So I can flush without moving my PC.
 

I think the most important thing is just to flush everything out really well before setting up the loop. Otherwise all of those tiny debris will collect inside of your cold plate fins. And you will see them after 2 months in your cold plate. And be like (What is that) This reduces flow rate as well. Then you gotta tear everything down and take the block apart. So I advise to go heavy on the flushing before assembly, and after. 
 

Another thing I recommend is running more than 1 pump. If one fails, it won’t even matter. Not just that but the 5090’s LOVE high pressure flow with ambient water. I might demonstrate in a video. I run (4) pumps currently, and while you don’t need that many, it’s nice because we can run them all low and slow and maintain high pressure in the loop, until the wattage starts getting up there. You won’t be disappointed with two pumps that’s for sure. 

 

One more thing: Many people do not realize this, you can use whichever G1/4 on the rads as the inlet or the outlet, it just does not matter. However, depending on the port you use, make sure the fans are blowing the correct direction based on which port on the rad is the inlet and which side is the outlet. I learned a lot about this from HWlabs guru on overclock.net, It makes a difference. There is a very small water temp advantage by setting this up the correct way. 
 

 Make sure your loop does not leak. It’s not like what people think and water comes dripping or leaking out, soft tubing is easy and unless you receive a fault radiator or fault block it’s not gonna leak. But you can have a leak and never see water at all, but what happens is your loop is pressurizing your system with air and you’ve got tons of micro bubbles everywhere. Instead of water coming out and dripping it leaking, it’s slowly pulling air in. And removing the fill port sounds like opening a soda bottle lol.
 

 

I know you said you were running a smaller self contained setup, but still all of this stuff applies and may be useful for you. Another thing is, don’t cheap out on fans. After doing this you’re gonna end up expanding pretty fast afterwards probably. That’s what happen to me. I bought an expandable AIO, and went haywire from there. 

 

O I'm trashing those cheap fans LMAO. I looked at them today, not even worth saving. I'll be using my Noctua's I have on hand. 

 

Appreciate the help!

 

So put my living room rig into a new case this weekend, and finally decided to swap in that 1300w MSI ATX 3.0 PSU I got on Amazon Warehouse almost 1.5 years ago. The native 12VHPWR cable is tiny and I grabbed a universal CableMod 12v2x6 cable  with thicker gauge wires. Unfortunately both cables drop to around 11.6-11.7v under 600w gaming loads. This can't be healthy. Does anyone else have this large of drop on a native 16pin cable? I usually use the 4x8pin to 16pin CableMod cables and they never drop below around 11.9v under extreme loads. I'm about to rip this PSU back out and just drop in my 1000w P3 and go back to the 4x8pin to 16pin like I was using in my old case. Never had a issue and voltages were strong. The PSU was able to bench 800w all day on this GPU. Very strong EVGA PSUs. 

[electrosoft]

So I ended up snagging a pair of V-Color 9600 2x24GB DDR5 off of eBay new from a seller I've dealt with before

 

In today's market conditions, couldn't beat the price of $489.99  plus I had two coupons for eBay (basically,  "you haven't shopped us in a long time!" coupons) for $15 off and $10 off respectively. I was able to use both of them knocking it down to $464.99 for a total of $495.80 shipped and with ebay rewards, that knocks another $15 off of it making it $480.92 to my door.

 

Am I doing backflips? No, but much better than those G.Skill sticks that would have been $650.40 to my door.....still.....

 

This is *exactly* why I try to avoid new platforms because once I start it gets ugly real fast. 🤣 Remember 11th gen? I was just going to pick up a 11700k and the cheapest Z590 board and use my dirt cheap DDR4 sticks to "give it a whirl." Within 4 months, it is several 11900k's binned, Asus Z590 board and EVGA Z590 along with multiple kits of DDR4.... 

 

 

I'd like to say I won't end up binning some 285k/290k chips, but that would be most likely a big ole fib....🤣

[Talon]

28 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

So I ended up snagging a pair of V-Color 9600 2x24GB DDR5 off of eBay new from a seller I've dealt with before

 

In today's market conditions, couldn't beat the price of $489.99  plus I had two coupons for eBay (basically,  "you haven't shopped us in a long time!" coupons) for $15 off and $10 off respectively. I was able to use both of them knocking it down to $464.99 for a total of $495.80 shipped and with ebay rewards, that knocks another $15 off of it making it $480.92 to my door.

 

Am I doing backflips? No, but much better than those G.Skill sticks that would have been $650.40 to my door.....still.....

 

This is *exactly* why I try to avoid new platforms because once I start it gets ugly real fast. 🤣 Remember 11th gen? I was just going to pick up a 11700k and the cheapest Z590 board and use my dirt cheap DDR4 sticks to "give it a whirl." Within 4 months, it is several 11900k's binned, Asus Z590 board and EVGA Z590 along with multiple kits of DDR4.... 

 

 

I'd like to say I won't end up binning some 285k/290k chips, but that would be most likely a big ole fib....🤣

LMAO, you’re toast! 
 

I also have the 9600 GSkillz 2x24gb set that was very briefly offered. They’re Gear 4 XMP which is annoying. But I just use the very tuned Apex profile for 8600 CL38. It’s pretty epic as it’s tuned extremely well and no real FAFO needed. I set 1.4 IMC and 1.3v VCCSA as auto is wild high. 
 

Also I’ll be binning some 290Ks, at least a few. How’s your 265K? Can it do 40x D2D? The chip I sent @win32asmguy is a 40x D2D chip. 

[Papusan]

 

I don't like this xx.85 XOC vbios. Unstable. Fans work but I can't see fan rpm in GPU-Z. Need to try more later. But still 11th on Hwbot 3DM Firestrike🙂

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_fire_strike/rankings?rankingType=user&page=0&cores=1&hardwareType=gpu

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Talon said:

 

O I'm trashing those cheap fans LMAO. I looked at them today, not even worth saving. I'll be using my Noctua's I have on hand. 

 

Appreciate the help!

 

So put my living room rig into a new case this weekend, and finally decided to swap in that 1300w MSI ATX 3.0 PSU I got on Amazon Warehouse almost 1.5 years ago. The native 12VHPWR cable is tiny and I grabbed a universal CableMod 12v2x6 cable  with thicker gauge wires. Unfortunately both cables drop to around 11.6-11.7v under 600w gaming loads. This can't be healthy. Does anyone else have this large of drop on a native 16pin cable? I usually use the 4x8pin to 16pin CableMod cables and they never drop below around 11.9v under extreme loads. I'm about to rip this PSU back out and just drop in my 1000w P3 and go back to the 4x8pin to 16pin like I was using in my old case. Never had a issue and voltages were strong. The PSU was able to bench 800w all day on this GPU. Very strong EVGA PSUs. 

I suspect the PSU is the problem. I would get a Lian Li Edge, ASRock, Seasonic, NZXT, be quiet! or Corsair PSU. Just don't get one that boasts about "silent" or zero-RPM fans because they run very hot. I think that alone could compromise the 12V-2x6 cable integrity at the PSU side. I would steer clear of ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte and Cooler Master PSUs. Definitely go with native ATX 3.1, not 3.0 or "compatible" PSU. This rating relates to the 12V-2x6 cable specifically.

 

This list is very useful (from the video) SPL's PSU Tier List | Google Sheet

 

 

These are very good fans. They are the only ones I buy now. Best bang for the buck by far. I recommend them based on price and specs. They are very heavy. They make them in white also, for those that care.  The three-pack includes a fan/ARGB hub.  I have 12 in one build and 9 in the other one.

MONTECH Metal PRO 12 ARGB 120mm PWM - High Static Pressure, Quiet RGB Fan with Fluid Dynamic Bearing, 3 in 1 Pack with 6X6 Fan Hub - Black

[Reciever]

A coworker of mine was chatting with me while we were frantically working onboarding a new client. The result of said conversation is that I now have a GTX 1080Ti from EVGA. As such, my second morpheus heatsink will now have a home.

 

I might do a as is test, then cleaned up test, then morpheus. 

Like a complete idiot I also damaged the Asus Sage 621e motherboard when trying to do a mock fitting. I didnt realize that the motherboard stand-off's were preinstalled by the manufacturer. Shows how long I've gone without a case lol. I cant seem to find anyone willing to repair so I might go another route. 

Oh and does  anyone have any spare 13th Gen CPU's collecting dust? Coworker bought a 14th gen used and turns out its defective. 

Sorry I havent been online for a spell, onboarding clients requires 12-14 hour days evidently

[tps3443]

@electrosoft Did you upgrade to the iPhone 17 Pro Max yet?

[win32asmguy]

10 hours ago, Talon said:

LMAO, you’re toast! 
 

I also have the 9600 GSkillz 2x24gb set that was very briefly offered. They’re Gear 4 XMP which is annoying. But I just use the very tuned Apex profile for 8600 CL38. It’s pretty epic as it’s tuned extremely well and no real FAFO needed. I set 1.4 IMC and 1.3v VCCSA as auto is wild high. 
 

Also I’ll be binning some 290Ks, at least a few. How’s your 265K? Can it do 40x D2D? The chip I sent @win32asmguy is a 40x D2D chip. 

 

I picked up the other 9600 kit this seller had after @electrosoft gave me the heads up. I figured it would pair better with the 285k than the 2x16gb 6400 cl32 kit I have now.

[Papusan]

20 hours ago, Papusan said:

Is Zotac the new Gigabyte? 

 

 

I expect this mess would be a disaster doing RMA with Gigabyte and Zotac. And i'm not sure the RMA process would be much easier with the other brands. I have never seen isopropyl alcohol remove the printing. 

 

But 100% sure that Gigabyte cards would get the well known round sticker with the red arrow. Aka RMA rejected (classic Gigabyte).

 

The VRAM printed circuit boards remain on a Thermal Grizzly thermal pad.

 

The writer's slight concern upon seeing the printouts on the thermal pad is perfectly understandable. However, there's no need to panic; the card is fine, it's simply a minor cosmetic issue, as everything else is functioning correctly.

 

 

Yup, the Chinese have no problem get 5090's. Nvidia and their AIC partners know exactly why we have limited stock and inflated prices for 5090's.  Because they all are part of this fraud. 

 

NVIDIA reportedly cuts B40 AI GPU production as Chinese AI companies use RTX 5090, Hopper GPUs

 

NVIDIA is reportedly cutting B40 AI GPU production for China, as Chinese AI companies 'largely dependent' on RTX 5090, Hopper and locally-sourced AI chips.

 

 

 

[Talon]

11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I suspect the PSU is the problem. I would get a Lian Li Edge, ASRock, Seasonic, NZXT, be quiet! or Corsair PSU. Just don't get one that boasts about "silent" or zero-RPM fans because they run very hot. I think that alone could compromise the 12V-2x6 cable integrity at the PSU side. I would steer clear of ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte and Cooler Master PSUs. Definitely go with native ATX 3.1, not 3.0 or "compatible" PSU. This rating relates to the 12V-2x6 cable specifically.

 

This list is very useful (from the video) SPL's PSU Tier List | Google Sheet

 

 

These are very good fans. They are the only ones I buy now. Best bang for the buck by far. I recommend them based on price and specs. They are very heavy. They make them in white also, for those that care.  The three-pack includes a fan/ARGB hub.  I have 12 in one build and 9 in the other one.

MONTECH Metal PRO 12 ARGB 120mm PWM - High Static Pressure, Quiet RGB Fan with Fluid Dynamic Bearing, 3 in 1 Pack with 6X6 Fan Hub - Black

 

Torn between these PSUs. 

 

https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-Warranty-Japanese-Capacitor-Cybenetics/dp/B0DNNZ9G46/ref=sr_1_1?crid=OOLPXBUQPTMA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.pBmkATu6jq8mTeFHC0sFB6DptC0lfjWcuKxj1t0dWcrAo_0ohxOxSP5BKJoMAsb_b6P-d3RW68EOKt3yvIfF1R-RD8HImRsmxQWTD4ij6-YifJ8r25m02hxnpY2BvW41hpQGV_qe_X27LC42LKxQKaSViw4qVOIuy1s08aKfgDwpiKCAmonH6SNYU6uc0_DqmPvbq5pstwqjgSO4NM0_HhR-hydCHarYU8b7IChoREY.eTpIgbjCxrEElKZRPxqPSNQhhijfBCy6TUEoGLA-6ZY&dib_tag=se&keywords=asrock%2B1600w%2Batx%2B3.1&qid=1764867203&sprefix=%2Caps%2C95&sr=8-1&th=1

 

https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-Warranty-Japanese-Capacitor-Cybenetics/dp/B0DNLP39SR/ref=sr_1_1?crid=OOLPXBUQPTMA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.pBmkATu6jq8mTeFHC0sFB6DptC0lfjWcuKxj1t0dWcrAo_0ohxOxSP5BKJoMAsb_b6P-d3RW68EOKt3yvIfF1R-RD8HImRsmxQWTD4ij6-YifJ8r25m02hxnpY2BvW41hpQGV_qe_X27LC42LKxQKaSViw4qVOIuy1s08aKfgDwpiKCAmonH6SNYU6uc0_DqmPvbq5pstwqjgSO4NM0_HhR-hydCHarYU8b7IChoREY.eTpIgbjCxrEElKZRPxqPSNQhhijfBCy6TUEoGLA-6ZY&dib_tag=se&keywords=asrock%2B1600w%2Batx%2B3.1&qid=1764867203&sprefix=%2Caps%2C95&sr=8-1&th=1

 

https://www.amazon.com/Seasonic-TX-1600-Noctua-Ultra-Quiet-Efficiency/dp/B0DMW5F3GG/ref=sr_1_2?crid=OOLPXBUQPTMA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.pBmkATu6jq8mTeFHC0sFB6DptC0lfjWcuKxj1t0dWcrAo_0ohxOxSP5BKJoMAsb_b6P-d3RW68EOKt3yvIfF1R-RD8HImRsmxQWTD4ij6-YifJ8r25m02hxnpY2BvW41hpQGV_qe_X27LC42LKxQKaSViw4qVOIuy1s08aKfgDwpiKCAmonH6SNYU6uc0_DqmPvbq5pstwqjgSO4NM0_HhR-hydCHarYU8b7IChoREY.eTpIgbjCxrEElKZRPxqPSNQhhijfBCy6TUEoGLA-6ZY&dib_tag=se&keywords=asrock+1600w+atx+3.1&qid=1764867203&sprefix=%2Caps%2C95&sr=8-2

 

Honestly the Gold Asrock seems decent, and DUAL 12v2x6 is a nice addition for what will likely be future requirement IMO. The Seasonic Noctua is likely S tier but debating if that's worth the price. 

 

Edit: After reading some of these reviews for the Asrock 1650w Taichi, the Caps are failing within weeks. Asrock is out, I'm not risking my hardware with their first go at PSUs. 

[Papusan]

35 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Torn between these PSUs. 

 

https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-Warranty-Japanese-Capacitor-Cybenetics/dp/B0DNNZ9G46/ref=sr_1_1?crid=OOLPXBUQPTMA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.pBmkATu6jq8mTeFHC0sFB6DptC0lfjWcuKxj1t0dWcrAo_0ohxOxSP5BKJoMAsb_b6P-d3RW68EOKt3yvIfF1R-RD8HImRsmxQWTD4ij6-YifJ8r25m02hxnpY2BvW41hpQGV_qe_X27LC42LKxQKaSViw4qVOIuy1s08aKfgDwpiKCAmonH6SNYU6uc0_DqmPvbq5pstwqjgSO4NM0_HhR-hydCHarYU8b7IChoREY.eTpIgbjCxrEElKZRPxqPSNQhhijfBCy6TUEoGLA-6ZY&dib_tag=se&keywords=asrock%2B1600w%2Batx%2B3.1&qid=1764867203&sprefix=%2Caps%2C95&sr=8-1&th=1

 

https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-Warranty-Japanese-Capacitor-Cybenetics/dp/B0DNLP39SR/ref=sr_1_1?crid=OOLPXBUQPTMA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.pBmkATu6jq8mTeFHC0sFB6DptC0lfjWcuKxj1t0dWcrAo_0ohxOxSP5BKJoMAsb_b6P-d3RW68EOKt3yvIfF1R-RD8HImRsmxQWTD4ij6-YifJ8r25m02hxnpY2BvW41hpQGV_qe_X27LC42LKxQKaSViw4qVOIuy1s08aKfgDwpiKCAmonH6SNYU6uc0_DqmPvbq5pstwqjgSO4NM0_HhR-hydCHarYU8b7IChoREY.eTpIgbjCxrEElKZRPxqPSNQhhijfBCy6TUEoGLA-6ZY&dib_tag=se&keywords=asrock%2B1600w%2Batx%2B3.1&qid=1764867203&sprefix=%2Caps%2C95&sr=8-1&th=1

 

https://www.amazon.com/Seasonic-TX-1600-Noctua-Ultra-Quiet-Efficiency/dp/B0DMW5F3GG/ref=sr_1_2?crid=OOLPXBUQPTMA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.pBmkATu6jq8mTeFHC0sFB6DptC0lfjWcuKxj1t0dWcrAo_0ohxOxSP5BKJoMAsb_b6P-d3RW68EOKt3yvIfF1R-RD8HImRsmxQWTD4ij6-YifJ8r25m02hxnpY2BvW41hpQGV_qe_X27LC42LKxQKaSViw4qVOIuy1s08aKfgDwpiKCAmonH6SNYU6uc0_DqmPvbq5pstwqjgSO4NM0_HhR-hydCHarYU8b7IChoREY.eTpIgbjCxrEElKZRPxqPSNQhhijfBCy6TUEoGLA-6ZY&dib_tag=se&keywords=asrock+1600w+atx+3.1&qid=1764867203&sprefix=%2Caps%2C95&sr=8-2

 

Honestly the Gold Asrock seems decent, and DUAL 12v2x6 is a nice addition for what will likely be future requirement IMO. The Seasonic Noctua is likely S tier but debating if that's worth the price. 

 

Edit: After reading some of these reviews for the Asrock 1650w Taichi, the Caps are failing within weeks. Asrock is out, I'm not risking my hardware with their first go at PSUs. 

 

What with a  “plain” TX-1600 ? Doesn't this sku being cheaper than the Noctua edition?

[electrosoft]

13 hours ago, Talon said:

LMAO, you’re toast! 
 

I also have the 9600 GSkillz 2x24gb set that was very briefly offered. They’re Gear 4 XMP which is annoying. But I just use the very tuned Apex profile for 8600 CL38. It’s pretty epic as it’s tuned extremely well and no real FAFO needed. I set 1.4 IMC and 1.3v VCCSA as auto is wild high. 
 

Also I’ll be binning some 290Ks, at least a few. How’s your 265K? Can it do 40x D2D? The chip I sent @win32asmguy is a 40x D2D chip. 

 

I even convinced myself, "Just keep it budget!" and literally the first memory wall I ran up against I just went, "Nope, have to make sure memory is never the issue," and went memory hunting all morning local (+150 miles) and online still I found those somewhat decently priced 9600 sticks to rule out memory being the issue.

 

That is my final form objective to finely tuned G2 8600 or 8800 while testing upper limits even in G4 (gross) just for testing purposes.

 

This is how the rabbit hole starts....everytime....for me. 🤣

 

I haven't checked yet. I usually shoot right to IMC/memory checking and since the Strix-A is rated up to 9066, that and the 9600 sticks will let me comfortably focus on memory but after this initial dial in period (Right now, 8200 is coming down the home stretch comfortable so I'm thinking it is the sticks at this point but I'll be adjusting IMC/VCCSA next), I'll move to CPU OC. It is a 265k, so I'm not holding my breath....

 

13 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

I don't like this xx.85 XOC vbios. Unstable. Fans work but I can't see fan rpm in GPU-Z. Need to try more later. But still 11th on Hwbot 3DM Firestrike🙂

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_fire_strike/rankings?rankingType=user&page=0&cores=1&hardwareType=gpu

 

Do you think you'll be able to dial it in for D2D use or will it be relegated to benching only and just use the stock Astral LC vbios? At least fans work so that's a plus!

 

11 hours ago, Reciever said:

A coworker of mine was chatting with me while we were frantically working onboarding a new client. The result of said conversation is that I now have a GTX 1080Ti from EVGA. As such, my second morpheus heatsink will now have a home.

 

I might do a as is test, then cleaned up test, then morpheus. 

Like a complete idiot I also damaged the Asus Sage 621e motherboard when trying to do a mock fitting. I didnt realize that the motherboard stand-off's were preinstalled by the manufacturer. Shows how long I've gone without a case lol. I cant seem to find anyone willing to repair so I might go another route. 

Oh and does  anyone have any spare 13th Gen CPU's collecting dust? Coworker bought a 14th gen used and turns out its defective. 

Sorry I havent been online for a spell, onboarding clients requires 12-14 hour days evidently

 

Nice snag!

 

I think we've all wrecked hardware over the years. I know I have in this crazy pursuit.

 

Yeah, picking up used 13th/14th gen CPUs is a crapshoot especially if they have been run before newer bios that add in voltage protections. See if he can get Intel to replace it first.

 

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

@electrosoft Did you upgrade to the iPhone 17 Pro Max yet?

 

lol, no I'm sticking with my 16 pro max for at least another year. I tend to only upgrade when someone on the family plan ages out of iOS updates and the phones trickle down. Last year my wife finally aged out with her X, so she got my 14 pro max and I picked up a 16 pro max. My kids are on 11 pro and 11 pro max and I'm not sure if they'll make the cut next year so I might be upgrading to a 18 pro max but we'll see.....I'm sure my duaghter won't tolerate not being able to upgrade her iOS so that would be at least one.

 

What are you running now?

 

3 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

I picked up the other 9600 kit this seller had after @electrosoft gave me the heads up. I figured it would pair better with the 285k than the 2x16gb 6400 cl32 kit I have now.

 

It will remove memory sticks from the equation basically especially with that Apex and 285k and knowing how high @Talon was able to run it with his 9600 sticks in G2. Tuned 8600 is a massive uplift over 6400.

 

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Yup, the Chinese have no problem get 5090's. Nvidia and their AIC partners know exactly why we have limited stock and inflated prices for 5090's.  Because they are part of this fraud. 

 

NVIDIA reportedly cuts B40 AI GPU production as Chinese AI companies use RTX 5090, Hopper GPUs

 

NVIDIA is reportedly cutting B40 AI GPU production for China, as Chinese AI companies 'largely dependent' on RTX 5090, Hopper and locally-sourced AI chips.

 

 

 

 

That doesn't bode well (on top of already bad market conditions at least in the US) for 5090 prices and availability. Plus with the market going bonkers, 2026 will be an interesting year. At this rate, new 6000 GPUs from Nvidia definitely aren't launching till 2027 along with AMD. Might as well settle in for another year+ of 5090 dominance......

 

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

Torn between these PSUs. 

 

https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-Warranty-Japanese-Capacitor-Cybenetics/dp/B0DNNZ9G46/ref=sr_1_1?crid=OOLPXBUQPTMA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.pBmkATu6jq8mTeFHC0sFB6DptC0lfjWcuKxj1t0dWcrAo_0ohxOxSP5BKJoMAsb_b6P-d3RW68EOKt3yvIfF1R-RD8HImRsmxQWTD4ij6-YifJ8r25m02hxnpY2BvW41hpQGV_qe_X27LC42LKxQKaSViw4qVOIuy1s08aKfgDwpiKCAmonH6SNYU6uc0_DqmPvbq5pstwqjgSO4NM0_HhR-hydCHarYU8b7IChoREY.eTpIgbjCxrEElKZRPxqPSNQhhijfBCy6TUEoGLA-6ZY&dib_tag=se&keywords=asrock%2B1600w%2Batx%2B3.1&qid=1764867203&sprefix=%2Caps%2C95&sr=8-1&th=1

 

https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-Warranty-Japanese-Capacitor-Cybenetics/dp/B0DNLP39SR/ref=sr_1_1?crid=OOLPXBUQPTMA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.pBmkATu6jq8mTeFHC0sFB6DptC0lfjWcuKxj1t0dWcrAo_0ohxOxSP5BKJoMAsb_b6P-d3RW68EOKt3yvIfF1R-RD8HImRsmxQWTD4ij6-YifJ8r25m02hxnpY2BvW41hpQGV_qe_X27LC42LKxQKaSViw4qVOIuy1s08aKfgDwpiKCAmonH6SNYU6uc0_DqmPvbq5pstwqjgSO4NM0_HhR-hydCHarYU8b7IChoREY.eTpIgbjCxrEElKZRPxqPSNQhhijfBCy6TUEoGLA-6ZY&dib_tag=se&keywords=asrock%2B1600w%2Batx%2B3.1&qid=1764867203&sprefix=%2Caps%2C95&sr=8-1&th=1

 

https://www.amazon.com/Seasonic-TX-1600-Noctua-Ultra-Quiet-Efficiency/dp/B0DMW5F3GG/ref=sr_1_2?crid=OOLPXBUQPTMA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.pBmkATu6jq8mTeFHC0sFB6DptC0lfjWcuKxj1t0dWcrAo_0ohxOxSP5BKJoMAsb_b6P-d3RW68EOKt3yvIfF1R-RD8HImRsmxQWTD4ij6-YifJ8r25m02hxnpY2BvW41hpQGV_qe_X27LC42LKxQKaSViw4qVOIuy1s08aKfgDwpiKCAmonH6SNYU6uc0_DqmPvbq5pstwqjgSO4NM0_HhR-hydCHarYU8b7IChoREY.eTpIgbjCxrEElKZRPxqPSNQhhijfBCy6TUEoGLA-6ZY&dib_tag=se&keywords=asrock+1600w+atx+3.1&qid=1764867203&sprefix=%2Caps%2C95&sr=8-2

 

Honestly the Gold Asrock seems decent, and DUAL 12v2x6 is a nice addition for what will likely be future requirement IMO. The Seasonic Noctua is likely S tier but debating if that's worth the price. 

 

Edit: After reading some of these reviews for the Asrock 1650w Taichi, the Caps are failing within weeks. Asrock is out, I'm not risking my hardware with their first go at PSUs. 

 

 

Are there similar reports on the Phantom 1600w? Newegg has the Phantom for $199.99. I have the MSI AI1300 but never had designs on using that with the 5090 but instead the Nitro+ for my daughter's buildout 2.0. I also have a spare EVGA P2 850w I could use.

 

I was thinking of replacing my EVGA P2 1600w w/ the Asrock 1600w Phantom for the native 12v2x6 connectors when my Wireview Pro 2 arrives and it seems to holding it down over on the OCN forums for some serious benching.

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Do you think you'll be able to dial it in for D2D use or will it be relegated to benching only and just use the stock Astral LC vbios? At least fans work so that's a plus!

 

I probably could but the xx.85 is more for benching. I'm not so much into gaming anymore. And I also love play with the older cards I have. Connect and then disconnect the tiny trash connector several times doesn't make it better for benching in between the older cards with the 5090. The fragile connector destroy the fun. Every time you swap cards the connector will wear out. Thanks good I have the "overpriced" pin monitoring😀 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Might as well settle in for another year+ of 5090 dominance......

Good. That protects our poor "investment" in 50-series and makes our demonstrations of poor judgment seem somewhat less egregious. It also helps to lessen the impact of being willing victims of predatory business practices.

[Talon]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I'll move to CPU OC. It is a 265k, so I'm not holding my breath....

 

265K is best value chip of Arrow Lake, mine tuned the same as my 285K chips on P/E cores.. My 265K had no issues running 40x D2D, 34x NGU, 8600 CL38 Gear 2. I ran the P core at 5.6Ghz locked and E at 50x locked for a daily. Unfortunately mine had that stupid bug where if you go above 1.2v it would log WHEA Cache L2 Errors. They didn't cause any instability or corrupt anything, but it was concerning. So I backed my E cores OC down to prevent the errors. My 285Ks have never had this issue though. 

 

 

[tps3443]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I even convinced myself, "Just keep it budget!" and literally the first memory wall I ran up against I just went, "Nope, have to make sure memory is never the issue," and went memory hunting all morning local (+150 miles) and online still I found those somewhat decently priced 9600 sticks to rule out memory being the issue.

 

That is my final form objective to finely tuned G2 8600 or 8800 while testing upper limits even in G4 (gross) just for testing purposes.

 

This is how the rabbit hole starts....everytime....for me. 🤣

 

I haven't checked yet. I usually shoot right to IMC/memory checking and since the Strix-A is rated up to 9066, that and the 9600 sticks will let me comfortably focus on memory but after this initial dial in period (Right now, 8200 is coming down the home stretch comfortable so I'm thinking it is the sticks at this point but I'll be adjusting IMC/VCCSA next), I'll move to CPU OC. It is a 265k, so I'm not holding my breath....

 

 

Do you think you'll be able to dial it in for D2D use or will it be relegated to benching only and just use the stock Astral LC vbios? At least fans work so that's a plus!

 

 

Nice snag!

 

I think we've all wrecked hardware over the years. I know I have in this crazy pursuit.

 

Yeah, picking up used 13th/14th gen CPUs is a crapshoot especially if they have been run before newer bios that add in voltage protections. See if he can get Intel to replace it first.

 

 

lol, no I'm sticking with my 16 pro max for at least another year. I tend to only upgrade when someone on the family plan ages out of iOS updates and the phones trickle down. Last year my wife finally aged out with her X, so she got my 14 pro max and I picked up a 16 pro max. My kids are on 11 pro and 11 pro max and I'm not sure if they'll make the cut next year so I might be upgrading to a 18 pro max but we'll see.....I'm sure my duaghter won't tolerate not being able to upgrade her iOS so that would be at least one.

 

What are you running now?

 

 

It will remove memory sticks from the equation basically especially with that Apex and 285k and knowing how high @Talon was able to run it with his 9600 sticks in G2. Tuned 8600 is a massive uplift over 6400.

 

 

That doesn't bode well (on top of already bad market conditions at least in the US) for 5090 prices and availability. Plus with the market going bonkers, 2026 will be an interesting year. At this rate, new 6000 GPUs from Nvidia definitely aren't launching till 2027 along with AMD. Might as well settle in for another year+ of 5090 dominance......

 

 

 

Are there similar reports on the Phantom 1600w? Newegg has the Phantom for $199.99. I have the MSI AI1300 but never had designs on using that with the 5090 but instead the Nitro+ for my daughter's buildout 2.0. I also have a spare EVGA P2 850w I could use.

 

I was thinking of replacing my EVGA P2 1600w w/ the Asrock 1600w Phantom for the native 12v2x6 connectors when my Wireview Pro 2 arrives and it seems to holding it down over on the OCN forums for some serious benching.

 

 

Be careful not to fall in the expensive binned ram rabbit hole. Most all rams can run 8600c36 or 9000c40 if IMC allows. If the motherboard will boot at high speeds in bios, this means your ram sticks and motherboard are capable of such a speed. So if it post in bios or windows but it’s not stable for daily, your IMC is the limit here. If it doesn’t load in to the bios, then it’s a memory/board issue and better memory/board/voltages/timings might help. 
 

I’m on a 17Pro max 2TB.

 

I had a 13 pro max for over 4 years previously though, gave to my son. iPhones will survive the good fight lol. 😂 

[Talon]

Despite my gut feelings or fears of a bad unit, I pulled the trigger on that Asrock 1650w Titanium PSU. Grabbed it on Amazon before the price hike this afternoon. I figure if it doesn't work, back it goes. Hoping I don't get a bad batch lol. The price is just too good for a 1650w Titanium unit with dual 12V2x6. It's times like this that I truly miss EVGA, their PSUs were bullet proof. I've been using this 1600w T2 in my rig for years now and it's not showing any issues yet. Hoping EVGA is still around should I ever need warranty support as I think it's still covered for a few more years yet. 

[tps3443]

This was Gskill 8200’s at 8800c40 Ycruncher HT on, and only 1.485v. They would do the 90min as well. They could also do it with less voltage. These same rams on another CPU would require 1.485v for just 8600 speeds and still not run VST lol. My Gskill 7200’s responded identically only needing +0.010 more mv. After seeing this, I learned that most DDR5 kits are ahead of their time. And our CPU’s are not. 🤭
 

[Papusan]

 

Too good to be true? And if the connector works as they claim.... When will we see them in the glabal market? CM also claimed their 90 degree adapters was fantastic and reliable.

 

Segotep's Titanload 12V-2x6 cables use heavier-duty pins to prevent meltdowns — brute-force approach purportedly drops peak temps by up to 72%

 

This is nice.... It just follow today's new norm.

 

AMD's problems return: AGESA 1.2.8.0 causes critical crashes and forces several manufacturers to recall their BIOS versions.