*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

 

Happy New Year from Norway to all my good friends🙂 The rockets is already fired up. Money down the drain, LOL

[Mr. Fox]

Happy New Year everyone.

[Mr. Fox]

22 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I am sure they will think about it for a few seconds and nod their heads in agreement and tell you it's ok and get those results to us ASAP!

On the topic of WireView Pro II...

 

[jaybee83]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

On the topic of WireView Pro II...

 

 

you juuust beat me to it 😄

[Mr. Fox]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

On the topic of WireView Pro II...

 

 

4 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

you juuust beat me to it 😄

Looks like a great product. I look forward to receiving mine. The WireView is definitely merely a band-aid solution to a genuinely defective product. Nothing will ever fix the underlying engineering defects and nothing can make it a good, reliable or safe connector. I am honestly shocked that none of the GPU manufacturers have chosen to disregard the rules and go back to using legacy 8-pin PCIe connectors. 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

On the topic of WireView Pro II...

 

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Looks like a great product. I look forward to receiving mine. The WireView is definitely merely a band-aid solution to a genuinely defective product. Nothing will ever fix the underlying engineering defects and nothing can make it a good, reliable or safe connector.

TG should have two price options. Cheaper for those running XOC/shunted cards out of specs. The reason for the higher prices with this gen WV is the extended warranty. $140 USD + shipping with tax on top ain't cheap. Even for a great product.

 

2. Covered Damage

• The WireView Pro II must have been installed, operated, and used in accordance with the user manual. Protective mechanisms such as current, temperature, and power monitoring must be used with their standard settings and thresholds, and must not be disabled.

• The use must remain within the operational parameters specified by the graphics card manufacturer (e.g., no shunt mods, no XOC BIOS with increase

 

 

4. Exclusions The warranty does not cover damage:

• caused by external influences (e.g., overvoltage, lightning, moisture, mechanical impact);

• resulting from the use of non-recommended adapters or cable combinations (e.g., low-quality adapters);

• caused by modifications or improper alterations to the graphics card or the WireView Pro II (e.g., shunt modifications).

• resulting from misuse, failure to follow the user manual, or professional use beyond the intended specifications.

 

• ExtendedWarrantyTerms_WV-P-2

 

[Rage Set]

On 12/30/2025 at 2:14 PM, electrosoft said:

 

Yep sad a bit but that gives a little window for @jaybee83 to give his full assessment of it and if it gets his stamp of approval. @Mr. Fox were you batch 1 or batch 2? Any updates on your ship date?

 

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Do you plan on keeping both or picking one or the other? Both are good GPUs and basically in the same class of performance depending on game/program you're running.

 

For that brief window in August to early September, 5090s were available in pockets on some models for $1999.99 and others had come down for a brief spell too, but that party is over. Asus never really dropped the prices on their Astrals except the LC at MC for $3399.99 for a bit for members. Suprims did come down to near MSRP (but never quite got there) and Vanguards haven't available for months now in the US and I'm not sure why. Fallout76 Clan member wanted one to match his Godlike Z790 MSI build for the aestheticsbut they're nowhere to be found in the US for months on end. He "settled" for a Suprim.

 

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I have a stack of parts I'm holding onto because pricing is just going to get worse in the market and waiting a month or so will net you more on the reseller end as FB dries up as parts hunter (present company included) continue to hunt and bleed it dry.

 

With Nvidia cutting back on consumer level production and GPU prices expected to rise, that 4070 TI will definitely go up in value.

 

You could put together a decent gaming PC with that 4070 Ti and get some good scratch for it.

 

I am more incline to keep both, as I go through the benching process to see which will work best for gaming and the other for productivity. One will go into my 3960X build for my video editing needs and the other will go into the 14900KS gaming rig. 

 

The new cards will be replacing the 4070 TI and 6900XT. In terms of spare parts, all of my spare motherboards, RAM kits and CPUs are on the higher end of things. I know I won't be able to recoup most of my costs - unless the used market really does turn to a wasteland.

 

For example, my DDR4 RAM sets are nuts. I have the four sticks of CL19 4000MTs I got from @Mr. Fox , four sticks of G.Skill non-RGB CL15 3600, and four of the super overpriced Trident Z Royal Gold (non-Elite) CL18 4800MT DDR4 RAM sticks. I never got these sticks to run at that speed with any of my CPUs, lol. 

 

Of course I have the G.Skill NEO sets I previously shown to you all. I really had a tech addiction it seems, lol. 

[Rage Set]

Happy New Year brothers!

[tps3443]

On 12/31/2025 at 1:36 PM, electrosoft said:

 

I do think the 5080 is "better" value compared to last gen. Faster, new tech, less than the 4080 at launch (matching the 4080 Super price). 

 

With Nvidia having a lock on the market past the 5070ti, I'm surprised they didn't price it at $1199.99

 

 

You never used it on your P750 class Clevo laptop back in the day with the 8086k/8700k CPU? But yeah, Throttlestop has been a staple for me in various capacities since the Alienware M15x when pushing my 920xm/940xm chips back in 2010....

 

 

I think Kevin (Uncle Webb) still mains it and works on it even to this day. Such a blessing of a piece of software to have. I've lost count how many times it pulled locked down laptops out of the dregs of performance.

 

When I was in MC the last time, I checked their 285hx/5090 Raider they had on display and the BIOS is still available. That really is their main selling point. Asus locks theirs down to a degree and only gives you UV. Dell has some OC controls but nothing like MSI and definitely not like Prema.

 

 

Yep, laptops can be subject to degrading too with 13th/14th gen chips. Hopefully Acer released an updated BIOS to counter that if needed but the nature of Intel's HX chips from many makers limit top end voltage anyhow by design because they are really packing a desktop part in there now since the 12900HX just neutered down power wise.

 

I'm not sure how well tREFI boosting would work out in a small, hot, confined box like a laptop especially without even decent heatsinks on the modules especially with some laptops clocking in at 6400+ now. Still would make a fun modding project.

 

 

That connector is platform agnostic in the worse way.

 

Sapphire Nitro+ 9070xt is probably the nicest looking card out of all the 9070xt's on the market and the hidden 12v2x6 rear design is slick but the very nature of the connector will require some cable twists and turns regardless of orientation.

 

You also have the cables passing over the blow through portion of the heatsink fin stack basically blowing hot air on the cables/connector itself. I'm not sure if the active air flow helps or hurts in this scenario. Warm air or no air? Kobayashi Maru 

 

The higher end (340w+ rated) 9070xt's can also be subject to 500w+ transients. 

 

I do notice, especially in the MSI 5090 one, a serious bend on the cables in picture one meaning a lot of bend and downward pull/pressure.

 

Not that it gives a pass to the piss poor excuse of a connector, but you can't just throw caution to the wind with this thing.....

 

And yet again, advocating for light colored connectors to see scorch marks early on......

 

 

Always...ALWAYS give open box / returns a try. You have a full return window in place AND you can score some fantastic deals. 

 

I've literally saved tens of thousands picking up open box items for the last 30 years for personal and professional use.

 

Yeah, you get some stinkers but you just return those for a full refund.

 

Remember, I scored my 1.125v Vanguard 5090 for $1971 open box from Microcenter in August saving $600-800 off the original MSRP and now try finding one in the states for a not insane price.

 

Open box 265k for $205 w/ BF6 code included

Open box Z890-A Strix for $176 basically brand new

 

That's over $1k in savings right there and that's just the tip of the iceberg of items I picked up open box / return /refurb.

 

 

5080 MSRP is ok value vs last gen in the face of same pricing, performance bump (however mild) and new technologies in the face of inflation. You are getting better for the same price.

 

It is not good value compared to the 5070ti which at MSRP is the new "sweet spot" for Nvidia this cycle and only because the 9070xt keeps them honest.

 

 

Cache is the blessing and the curse.....again.

 

Overall, the 9800X3D is the winner (no shocker there), but if he ran this at 4k (or even 1440p), you would see that cache take a bigger hit and the results would start to flatten out a bit and I suspect in the lows especially the 14900k and 285k would take over.

 

I would have preferred some 4k results and on a 5090 vs 1080p and 4090, but you take what you can get. 🙂

 

 

 

All bets are off as we head into the pricing unknown of 2026 but for the last few months, we've clearly been told about supply/demand and we have:

 

TSMC raising prices

TSMC booked up till 2027 and potentially beyond

DRAM makers controlling output

AI markets gobbling up memory

DRAM makers booked up for at least this year

Crucial flat out abandoning the consumer sector (I will never buy from them again even if they come back)

Nvidia cutting back output on consumer grade GPUs to favor AI allocation

 

I can't see prices going to $5k MSRP for a 5090, but I can definitely see supply on the fall and prices on the rise overall including the 5090.

 

$2499.99 MSRP for an FE is not out of reach.....

 

 

You simply tell work, "Look buds, I got to hook up this WV2 for my peeps in the Overclocking thread in NBT, so you'll be aight!"

 

I am sure they will think about it for a few seconds and nod their heads in agreement and tell you it's ok and get those results to us ASAP!

 

😁

 

I do not remember using it with my Sager 15" 8086K laptop. I remember benching/gaming without any sort of phantom throttling. I was battling heat with that thing most of all. 

The biggest issue I have had with this laptop is not really throttling, but the bios is so locked down that I could not turn off the CPU power saving features. When I play games on it, Intel SpeedStep and C1E were just always working at their hardest. So, all of the CPU cores were flickering down/up/down/up/down to lo/high frequencies. All of the CPU core frequencies looked something like this graph below. And this was causing GPU usage to just tank. Since installing throttlestop, I have turned those features off, it has allowed me to change the max pwr limit some as well. It was also causing micro stuttering really bad. 

For the first time, the machine actually runs smooth. 

PS: I am running my default GPU bios again with full performance. I am not sure why its performance was gimped before. 

The machine is able to run normal 5.1-5.2Ghz in games, and 3.9-4.1Ghz on the E-Cores in games. I keep my 4090 undervolted to 2.1Ghz@800mv so the CPU always runs full speed in games, and those two are not fighting over power sharing. 


 

[Mr. Fox]

10 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I do not remember using it with my Sager 15" 8086K laptop. I remember benching/gaming without any sort of phantom throttling. I was battling heat with that thing most of all. 

The biggest issue I have had with this laptop is not really throttling, but the bios is so locked down that I could not turn off the CPU power saving features. When I play games on it, Intel SpeedStep and C1E were just always working at their hardest. So, all of the CPU cores were flickering down/up/down/up/down to lo/high frequencies. All of the CPU core frequencies looked something like this graph below. And this was causing GPU usage to just tank. Since installing throttlestop, I have turned those features off, it has allowed me to change the max pwr limit some as well. It was also causing micro stuttering really bad. 

For the first time, the machine actually runs smooth. 

PS: I am running my default GPU bios again with full performance. I am not sure why its performance was gimped before. 

The machine is able to run normal 5.1-5.1Ghz in games, and 3.9-4.1Ghz on the E-Cores in games. I keep my 4090 undervolted to 2.1Ghz@800mv so the CPU always runs full speed in games, and those two are not fighting over power sharing. 


 

The problem is laptops are built with a obsessive degree of focus on embracing compromise. They are compromised in every possible measurement, sacrificing performance and giving the greatest levels of priority to:

• Form factor
• Weight
• Power consumption
• Battery run time
• Noise
• Aesthetics

Performance is always a secondary consideration and less important. The only way to truly appreciate a turdbook is to value those other things more than one values performance. They are built to be disposable, limited use products... limited in lifespan, service, repairability, upgradability and performance.

[Mr. Fox]

33 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

TG should have two price options. Cheaper for those running XOC/shunted cards out of specs. The reason for the higher prices with this gen WV is the extended warranty.

 

• The WireView Pro II must have been installed, operated, and used in accordance with the user manual. Protective mechanisms such as current, temperature, and power monitoring must be used with their standard settings and thresholds, and must not be disabled.

• The use must remain within the operational parameters specified by the graphics card manufacturer (e.g., no shunt mods, no XOC BIOS with increase

 

• ExtendedWarrantyTerms_WV-P-2

 

They would be crazy to provide any kind of warranty for using a system outside of OEM specs. Failure of the 12V-2x6/12VHPWR is likely even when the GPUs using that connectors are utilized at or below the OEM specifications. I would even question the intelligence of providing a warranty for those that are used within OEM specs. Thermal Grizzly is assuming an unreasonable risk that that NVIDIA created when it made this engineering abortion a standard and it would not surprise me to see Thermal Grizzly stop providing a warranty on new WireView II Pro sales at some point in the near future.

[Papusan]

45 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

They would be crazy to provide any kind of warranty for using a system outside of OEM specs. Failure of the 12V-2x6/12VHPWR is likely even when the GPUs using that connectors are utilized at or below the OEM specifications. I would even question the intelligence of providing a warranty for those that are used within OEM specs. Thermal Grizzly is assuming an unreasonable risk that that NVIDIA created when it made this engineering abortion a standard and it would not surprise me to see Thermal Grizzly stop providing a warranty on new WireView II Pro sales at some point in the near future.

 

What I think... TG wanted the extended warranty to calm down buyers using 3rd party parts. I would prefer they scrapped  the extended warranty and offered cheaper items. 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

26 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

What I think... TG wanted the extended warranty to calm down buyers using 3rd party parts. I would prefer they scrapped  the extended warranty and offered cheaper items. 

 

 

My primary interest in the product is to monitor what is happening with my GPU. I have a thermal sensor inserted into the cable and the temperatures have always remained low enough to not be a concern. But, I am not convinced that the readings are 100% reliable or indicative of what is happening at the individual pin level. My hope is that if there is ever a failure it will occur between the PSU and the WireView and the GPU will be spared. So, I am thinking (hoping) there is a chance that the WireView II Pro will serve as the sacrificial component if disaster strikes, while giving me a better understanding of what is happening that cannot be seen or felt without it.

[Papusan]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

My primary interest in the product is to monitor what is happening with my GPU. I have a thermal sensor inserted into the cable and the temperatures have always remained low enough to not be a concern. But, I am not convinced that the readings are 100% reliable or indicative of what is happening at the individual pin level. My hope is that if there is ever a failure it will occur between the PSU and the WireView and the GPU will be spared. So, I am thinking (hoping) there is a chance that the WireView II Pro will serve as the sacrificial component if disaster strikes, while giving me a better understanding of what is happening that cannot be seen or felt without it.

 

"Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong," known as Murphy's Law.

 

I'm pretty sure that a third of all new graphics card with the tiny trash has same or similar problems without knowing it. Perfectly connected or not doesn't matter. The difference is how long it will works before ot goes up in smoke. 

 

 

 

[tps3443]

47 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

The problem is laptops are built with a obsessive degree of focus on embracing compromise. They are compromised in every possible measurement, sacrificing performance and giving the greatest levels of priority to:

• Form factor
• Weight
• Power consumption
• Battery run time
• Noise
• Aesthetics

Performance is always a secondary consideration and less important. The only way to truly appreciate a turdbook is to value those other things more than one values performance. They are built to be disposable, limited use products... limited in lifespan, service, repairability, upgradability and performance.

It is full of compromises yes! But, with some re-pasting, with some tweaks in Throttle stop, it has turned into a butter smooth gaming beast where you find yourself just enjoying the experience of gaming or working, without seeing any limits the machines may have.  See, it's okay to have a 4090-gaming laptop when you own a 5090-gaming desktop.

I think if we can accept that laptops offer a lower level of performance compared to desktops, but they can provide a smooth portable experience, then we'll be okay with them. I owned an Intel ARC B580, and that thing absolutely sucked in comparison to my 4090 laptop GPU, they were many miles apart. So, it was far better than that was! lol. No VR support, horrible upscaling, weak performance in games. If I get tired of the laptop, I just walk over to my desktop. So, since I have a fallback system, I am okay with any downsides with the laptop has, and I think that is why some can bare it. 

If I do sell it, I probably won't get another laptop. 





 

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

"Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong," known as Murphy's Law.

 

I'm pretty sure that a third of all new graphics card with the tiny trash has same or similar problems without knowing it. Perfectly connected or not doesn't matter. The difference is how long it will works before ot goes up in smoke. 

 

 

 

curious to see which one, if ANY, of my four gpu power cables (all by seasonic) will be inside spec at stock and/or evenly distributed across the pins at higher wattages...

[tps3443]

Has anyone here melted their cable yet? I see many ordering the Powerview II. Looks pretty dang nice! 

[jaybee83]

12 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Has anyone here melted their cable yet? I see many ordering the Powerview II. Looks pretty dang nice! 

 

at least not knowingly yet *lulz* its always a nice lil surprise when i unplug the cable to do any kind of work inside my case.... 😛 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

If I do sell it, I probably won't get another laptop. 

That's where I landed almost 10 years ago, and they were nowhere nearly as sucky back then as they are today. I can no longer take laptops seriously. At best, I view them as a necessary evil and a tool to be used to perform a job when mobility is an inescapable requirement. I doubt I will ever view them as being an acceptable product for pleasure or entertainment purposes like I used to. The only reason I own one is for the rare circumstance that I need to use a computer outside of my home office. If I had to find something nice to say, I guess it would be "It's better than trying to use a tablet or smartphone." 

12 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

at least not knowingly yet *lulz* its always a nice lil surprise when i unplug the cable to do any kind of work inside my case.... 😛 

I suspect that the combination of worry and curiosity may help to create problems for some people. I think disturbing the connection just to "check on it" when there is not a good reason to disturb it is a bad idea that increases the chances of failure due to poor contact and high resistance. Kind of like the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" concept. If it is working right, just leave it alone. 

[electrosoft]

Happy New Year brothers!

 

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Again, not that it makes it 100% safe, but even the makers are giving guidelines for connecting and routing your cables for the 12v2x6 dragon flame edition connector....

 

This is what I mean when you are not being proactive about giving the connector the best chance possible of surviving....

 

 

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As noted earlier, prices are slowly on the rise for the 5090 again and supply dwindling ever so slowly....

 

"Instead, we expect NVIDIA to ignore rising flagship pricing and either delist the Founders
Edition or wait for the market to stabilize. One thing seems certain, though. As we approach
the one-year anniversary of the RTX 5090, we do not expect the card to become widely
available at MSRP, which seemed possible a few months ago but clealry does not anymore."

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2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

My primary interest in the product is to monitor what is happening with my GPU. I have a thermal sensor inserted into the cable and the temperatures have always remained low enough to not be a concern. But, I am not convinced that the readings are 100% reliable or indicative of what is happening at the individual pin level. My hope is that if there is ever a failure it will occur between the PSU and the WireView and the GPU will be spared. So, I am thinking (hoping) there is a chance that the WireView II Pro will serve as the sacrificial component if disaster strikes, while giving me a better understanding of what is happening that cannot be seen or felt without it.

 

Ditto.

 

All upside, no downside. I already dropped $2k on a GPU. I'm not going to squabble over $140USD for such a device and what it offers.

 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The problem is laptops are built with a obsessive degree of focus on embracing compromise. They are compromised in every possible measurement, sacrificing performance and giving the greatest levels of priority to:

• Form factor
• Weight
• Power consumption
• Battery run time
• Noise
• Aesthetics

Performance is always a secondary consideration and less important. The only way to truly appreciate a turdbook is to value those other things more than one values performance. They are built to be disposable, limited use products... limited in lifespan, service, repairability, upgradability and performance.

 

This is exactly the approach to take when using a laptop. You are never, ever going to approach the flexibility or cooling of a desktop and that is just the nature of the beast and physics. Toss in all the added heat and component life and you just can't approach laptops like you do desktops.

 

Your prioritization list is apt and on point for what most consumers need from their portable devices as they are tools to be used first and foremost for various tasks.

 

Would I love to lug around something like the old mALX or even a Predator 21 and have a no compromises experience? Absolutely, but I know I am so very far into the minority of customers. Bean counters are very good at their job and know what the market wants and it isn't us. 😞

 

With that being said, I still love laptops! 🤣

[Mr. Fox]

24 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Would I love to lug around something like the old mALX or even a Predator 21 and have a no compromises experience? Absolutely, but I know I am so very far into the minority of customers. Bean counters are very good at their job and know what the market wants and it isn't us. 😞

That used to bother me, but now I don't care anymore. I honestly do not believe that anyone (even me) is capable of building a laptop that I would be satisfied with no matter how much effort or cost went into creating it. It would always be compromised in multiple ways, so my focus has shifted to minimizing cost as much as possible and purchasing no more than the bare minimum that is necessary to perform limited purpose tasks just enough to get me by until I can use something better. I plan to use the turdbook I own now until it fails and can't be inexpensively repaired, and if I ever have to replace it then it will be replaced with something similar. Big screen, big keyboard and as inexpensive as possible. Something used for only a small fraction of what it sold for new. (Same way I buy cars now.) I have found that I don't hate it as much when my expectations are low and it didn't cost me much.

  

24 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Happy New Year brothers!

Same to you, brother.

[Papusan]

39 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I suspect that the combination of worry and curiosity may help to create problems for some people. I think disturbing the connection just to "check on it" when there is not a good reason to disturb it is a bad idea that increases the chances of failure due to poor contact and high resistance. Kind of like the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" concept. If it is working right, just leave it alone. 

 

Exactly. Use only your eyes. Nothing more. If it works then let it be. People forget that every time you touch that shiiit then you risk the opposite of what you want. Looking good but the values have changed and you risk unbalanced load that will pop up as a disaster before you check next time🙃 I know... Because I have the overpriced pin-monitoring. Swap cards very often is a nightmare. + you need buy more trashy cables because the old cable with that tiny connector being worn out.

[jaybee83]

43 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That's where I landed almost 10 years ago, and they were nowhere nearly as sucky back then as they are today. I can no longer take laptops seriously. At best, I view them as a necessary evil and a tool to be used to perform a job when mobility is an inescapable requirement. I doubt I will ever view them as being an acceptable product for pleasure or entertainment purposes like I used to. The only reason I own one is for the rare circumstance that I need to use a computer outside of my home office. If I had to find something nice to say, I guess it would be "It's better than trying to use a tablet or smartphone." 

I suspect that the combination of worry and curiosity may help to create problems for some people. I think disturbing the connection just to "check on it" when there is not a good reason to disturb it is a bad idea that increases the chances of failure due to poor contact and high resistance. Kind of like the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" concept. If it is working right, just leave it alone. 

 

6 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Exactly. Use only your eyes. Nothing more. If it works then let it be. People forget that every time you touch that shiiit then you risk the opposite of what you want. Looking good but the values have changed and you risk unbalanced load that will pop up as a disaster before you check next time🙃 I know... Because I have the overpriced pin-monitoring. Swap cards very often is a nightmare. + you need buy more trashy cables because the old cable being worn out.

 

ohnoooooo i never unplug it just to "check on it", same with the 4090 i had before. but sometimes theres no way around it, depending on what i need to do. thus far ive plugged my 5090 twice (4090 not 100% sure but max. 3-4 times for the total of ownership duration), number three is upcoming to install the wireview pro II, replace the power cable (cant use right angled anymore, so back to straight) and also add more putty to the backside. after that, the wireview will stay connected, no matter what.