electrosoft Posted Tuesday at 08:46 PM Posted Tuesday at 08:46 PM Funny but sad story.... I haven't done any CPU swaps all week so last night with the open box Asus Z890 AYW and new open box 265k, I first tore down the Apex and put it away (I am OCD and completely tear down and clean up and box up a current MB before using another) and after moving over the SSD, RAM and CPU cooler mounting I looked around for my big jar of thermal pastes. We're talking giant sized KPx, Gelid Extreme, new tube of Cryofuse still sealed, Duronaut, Conductonaut and more. Can't find it anywhere. Tear the place apart from front to back looking EVERYWHERE and all I keep thinking is, "I know I left it around the work table." I even went outside and dug around in the trash that went out thinking maybe I or the wife threw it out accidentally. Resigned myself to using a brand new syringe of Frozen 2 from EVGA from 5-6 years ago I found on the shelf except it is hard as a rock and unusable so out it goes. Ended up having to use the ID-Cooling syringe from the included air cooler. Asked my wife about it a bit ago. She had no idea. Finally, I reach up in the cabinet and pull down an identical jar (it was a walnut jar) and text it to her saying this is what it looked like and after about 30 min she texted to let me know I had left it on the front bench/nook where I sometimes work and she thought it was trash and tossed it out last week....🤣 Doing research, it seems the new MX-7 is a real contender so I ordered a couple of syringes of that to start rebuilding my collection. I never even got a chance to test the cryofuze as it was still brand new and sealed for future use in the jar. --------------------------- 3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: Yes, the Radeon hotspots are utterly insane. That is ultimately why I could not find any real love for the 6900 XT or the 9070 XT. Both were otherwise good GPUs, but the unfixable hotspot temps made it hard for me to like them. Even on chilled water the 6900 XT had totally asinine hotspot temps. Nothing I tried improved the hotspot temps on either of them in a meaningful way. AMD needs to find a way to address that engineering defect. Their product adoption rate would likely improve. True. I remember us hoping blocking your Elite would tame the HS temps, but if you look at numerous reviews, the HS temps and variance within so many models is all over the place but always trends high. Still wish Nvidia did not remove HS monitoring with the 5000 series.... 1 hour ago, Papusan said: Yup. You may only need iGPU for gaming (sarcasm). You even get MFG from Intel iGPU. And yep, you get an (NPU) cpu in the package. Intel "Nova Lake" Xe3P iGPUs Could be 25% More Powerful Than Xe3 Models The market for hand helds and iGPU only laptops for size, weight and battery life is becoming the dominant factor in mobile computing. Which is fine.... But on desktop? I don't give a crap about any of that. 1 1 Electrosoft Alpha: 9800X3D | Asus X870E Hero Crosshair | MSI Vanguard RTX 5090 OC | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 @ 2200/6400 tuned | Samsung 9100 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-14900KS SP109 | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Gigabyte 9070XT Gaming OC Edition| 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | Samsung 980 1TB Pro | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 165hz 32" Alienware Area-51 18 | 275HX | Nvidia RTX 5070ti | 32GB DDR5 6400 |Gen 5 2TB | 18" QHD | WiFi 7
Papusan Posted Wednesday at 12:40 AM Posted Wednesday at 12:40 AM 3 hours ago, electrosoft said: The market for hand helds and iGPU only laptops for size, weight and battery life is becoming the dominant factor in mobile computing. Which is fine.... But on desktop? I don't give a crap about any of that. No problem. If the rumors is to follow then Nvidia will take the responsibility and help the gamers... So no need for next gen Intel iGPU If you can swallow the 8GB vram limit. NVIDIA reportedly shifts RTX 50 supply toward RTX 5060 and 5060 Ti 8GB in 2026 1 "The Killer" ASUS Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel
Talon Posted Wednesday at 01:45 AM Posted Wednesday at 01:45 AM 21 hours ago, electrosoft said: this Apex Z890 is a first gen release model and it is very unstable at 8667 let alone 8800 even with a fan running on the memory whereas the Strix is rock solid at 8667. I do plan on retesting the Strix with a fan on the memory and I suspect the Strix is going to be equal or greater than this particular Apex even at 8800. Could be an early release dud with poor traces for higher memory stability. I will most likely be returning it next week unless something changes. Irony would be if the $95 Asus Z890 AYW was better than both..... 🤣 I haven't seen a A02 version of the board yet. I've only ever seen A01. But I assume that board was returned because of that fact. I had a board from Amazon that was terrible. The Nitro Path Asus is using has made 4x boards viable now. I wish they would have done some magic like that for the 2x boards. $300 for a Z80 AYW and 265K, absolutely insane. 1 1 1 Spoiler The Beast Asus Z790 APEX | Intel i9 13900K | ASUS RTX 4090 Strix OC | 64gb DDR5 7466 CL34 Dual Rank A-Dies | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | Innocn 4K 160Hz Mini LED HDR1000 | LG 27GN950-B 4K 160Hz | Corsair 170i Elite LCD 420mm AIO | Corsair 7000D | EVGA 1600w T2 Little Beast EVGA Z690 DARK | Intel i9 13900K | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE | 32gb DDR5 SK Hynix DDR5 8000 CL36 A-Dies | Samsung 980 Pro 2TB | LG OLED C1 4K 120Hz G-Sync/FreeSync | Alienware AW2721D 1440p 240Hz G-Sync Ultimate | Corsair 115i Elite 280mm AIO | Lian Li 011 Dynamic | EVGA 1000w P6
electrosoft Posted Wednesday at 02:07 AM Posted Wednesday at 02:07 AM Initial test with Asus Z890 AYW and "new" open box 265k: Installed newest BIOS (one on board was from May 2025) Booted to G4 9200 no problem Has no problems doing 8667 G4 Testing the new open box 265k and unlike the old one, it booted right up at stock settings at 8667 G2 unlike the first open box 265k that wouldn't boot past 8200 auto and even pushing voltages up to ~1.45v couldn't do more than 8400. For 8400 to pass, the old 265k required 1.41/1.40. It flat out wouldn't post at 8600 no matter what you threw at it. New Open Box 265k passed G2 8667 on auto settings no problem: So far just testing on the Z890 AYW, new 265k will boot up to 8800 G2 on auto but no post at 8933 so I will give it some juice later but I'm moving the new 265k over to the Strix next as the Z890 AYW for $95 has more than met my expectations so far. For 99% of users, that first 265k will be absolutely fine and run their 6000-8200 memory just fine. But for my criteria it is a dud. 2 1 Electrosoft Alpha: 9800X3D | Asus X870E Hero Crosshair | MSI Vanguard RTX 5090 OC | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 @ 2200/6400 tuned | Samsung 9100 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-14900KS SP109 | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Gigabyte 9070XT Gaming OC Edition| 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | Samsung 980 1TB Pro | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 165hz 32" Alienware Area-51 18 | 275HX | Nvidia RTX 5070ti | 32GB DDR5 6400 |Gen 5 2TB | 18" QHD | WiFi 7
Mr. Fox Posted Wednesday at 02:19 AM Author Posted Wednesday at 02:19 AM 40 minutes ago, electrosoft said: For 99% of users, that first 265k will be absolutely fine and run their 6000-8200 memory just fine. But for my criteria it is a dud. It is sad to see that the wild variance in silicon quality isn't any better than it has been. The range allowed for sloppy crap from Intel, AMD and NVIDIA is really inexcusable. You no longer get what you pay for. You either get lucky or you get screwed. Nice response from Tony (Northwest Repair) to Jay's video. Jay's Video: Tony's Response: 1 1 WRAITH // X870E Apex | 9950X | 5090 Solid OC | 48GB DDR5-8000 | GF3 1650W | Triple 360 Loop | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X870E-E Strix | EPYC 4585PX | 4090 Suprim | 32GB DDR5-8000 | Edge 1300W | Dual 360 Loop || O11D XL EVO (Rhinoceros) MEH!! // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | MXM Quadro P5000 16GB | 32GB DDR4 | 4K IPS Display | $500 Turdbook (Sea Turtle) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second.
Reciever Posted Wednesday at 08:02 AM Posted Wednesday at 08:02 AM 16 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: It's about 18" front to back, 14" left to right and about 19" tall not counting fittings. I'd say add another 3.5" just for good measure to account for the fittings if you use 90° fittings (obviously twice that much without the right angle fittings). It is not particularly loud. It is essentially a mini refrigerator or HVAC. It has an evaporator, compressor, condenser and fan. It's not quiet, but not obnoxious. No louder than your Nova fans. Probably similar loudness, but lower pitch sort of like a box fan on low fan speed. You know what your fridge or freezer sound like. Expect that in terms of how it sounds. It puts out lots of heat on the exhaust, so put the back blowing out a window or out of your office door. It goes without saying you do not want the hot exhaust blowing into the radiator, as that would defeat the purpose of using chilled water. I use a 5 gallon water tank wrapped in black foil insulation to normalize the water temperatures. It takes longer for 5 gallons to get cold but once it does the PC load while doing extended benching sessions doesn't really affect the water temperature that much. For benching do not use the radiator. It will heat the cold water and try to warm it to ambient. Just bypass it when benching. For gaming you can use the radiator and the chiller together since you do not need to try to keep the temps as close to freezing point as possible. It will be a LOT cooler with chilled water even with the radiator, but the radiator will hold you back in a notable way when benching. Yes, the Radeon hotspots are utterly insane. That is ultimately why I could not find any real love for the 6900 XT or the 9070 XT. Both were otherwise good GPUs, but the unfixable hotspot temps made it hard for me to like them. Even on chilled water the 6900 XT had totally asinine hotspot temps. Nothing I tried improved the hotspot temps on either of them in a meaningful way. AMD needs to find a way to address that engineering defect. Their product adoption rate would likely improve. Definitely interested but at this stage it would prove difficult to set up logistically to avoid dumping the heat back in my room. One of the family members may be moving out and getting their own place next year, if we keep this place I can put basically all the heat generation and removal in that room and run some longer hoses and pumps. If we get a different place then I'll just look to getting a bigger bedroom. It would also give me some time to go through what I have for GPU's and start a passive search for more waterblocks to replace the stock heatsinks I have as I already know Im going to stay on water. The 7900 Xtx is purring at 3.1Ghz for now, I think I'll need to use the evc2se for 3.2Ghz. It's crashing at 3150 but I'm hoping that's just due to sudden spiking outside the power limit. Hopefully I can push 3500 for synthetic benching. 1 1 1 AM4-DD | 5800X3D @ 4.45Ghz | Red Devil 7900 XTX | 32GB DDR4 3200Mhz | 2TB NVME | Intel X710 DAC @ 10Gbps | EVGA 1300w | Win11 IoT UNRAID | Xeon Gold 6248 40c/80t | 128GB DDR4 2933Mhz | P1000 | 9300i-16P | Intel X520 | 48TB HDD's | BeQuiet DP 13 1000w HomeLab | E5-2697A 32c/64t | 128GB DDR4 2133Mhz | Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo!
electrosoft Posted Wednesday at 07:33 PM Posted Wednesday at 07:33 PM That first 265k was an SP77 (which isn't bad) but the IMC was atrocious. I just popped the second open box in with the much better IMC into the Strix-A and it is an SP83 It is also running cooler and pulling less than the SP77 even during TM5 runs.... Crazy how a 140mm fan with direct airflow down can make such a difference. Look at those temps. Without the fan, they pushed to 70+ where they eventually error out... Confirmed this Strix-A has no problems with 8800 while the Apex was bombing out with fans keeping the temps sane at even 8667..... Strix passed 8933 G4 w/ 1.49v on memory with the Vengeance sticks getting that full throttle 140mm fan love: Like I said, Apex was crashing out on even 8667. Welp, I gave the open box a try and worse case scenario is I have to return it for being defective so back it goes within the next week.... tl;dr first 265k and apex open boxes are dog water for my criteria... ----------------------------------------------------- MSI 5090 Lightning on LN2.... 2 Electrosoft Alpha: 9800X3D | Asus X870E Hero Crosshair | MSI Vanguard RTX 5090 OC | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 @ 2200/6400 tuned | Samsung 9100 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-14900KS SP109 | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Gigabyte 9070XT Gaming OC Edition| 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | Samsung 980 1TB Pro | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 165hz 32" Alienware Area-51 18 | 275HX | Nvidia RTX 5070ti | 32GB DDR5 6400 |Gen 5 2TB | 18" QHD | WiFi 7
Mr. Fox Posted Wednesday at 08:06 PM Author Posted Wednesday at 08:06 PM 12 hours ago, Reciever said: It would also give me some time to go through what I have for GPU's and start a passive search for more waterblocks to replace the stock heatsinks I have as I already know Im going to stay on water. It is really hard, at least for me, to find any contentment with air cooling or AIO after being comfortable with a custom loop for so many years. I tried because it is way cheaper and much easier on the wallet, but I find myself very unhappy with an air cooled CPU or GPU at this point and I normally find that I am ready to be done with the idea within the first day or two. Using an AIO is a slight improvement, but still not nearly as good. 12 hours ago, Reciever said: Definitely interested but at this stage it would prove difficult to set up logistically to avoid dumping the heat back in my room. One of the family members may be moving out and getting their own place next year, if we keep this place I can put basically all the heat generation and removal in that room and run some longer hoses and pumps. If we get a different place then I'll just look to getting a bigger bedroom. The ideal setup would be a clean and enclosed/ventilated area of crawl space or an unfinished room in a cool basement for the chiller with QDC fittings attached to a plate on the floor with a light switch to turn the chiller on and off. You would need an extra pump or two (or just one crazy powerful pond pump) to handle the gravitational effect of the added vertical height of the tubing runs, but it would be worth it. 1 1 WRAITH // X870E Apex | 9950X | 5090 Solid OC | 48GB DDR5-8000 | GF3 1650W | Triple 360 Loop | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X870E-E Strix | EPYC 4585PX | 4090 Suprim | 32GB DDR5-8000 | Edge 1300W | Dual 360 Loop || O11D XL EVO (Rhinoceros) MEH!! // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | MXM Quadro P5000 16GB | 32GB DDR4 | 4K IPS Display | $500 Turdbook (Sea Turtle) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second.
electrosoft Posted Wednesday at 09:53 PM Posted Wednesday at 09:53 PM 1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said: It is really hard, at least for me, to find any contentment with air cooling or AIO after being comfortable with a custom loop for so many years. I tried because it is way cheaper and much easier on the wallet, but I find myself very unhappy with an air cooled CPU or GPU at this point and I normally find that I am ready to be done with the idea within the first day or two. Using an AIO is a slight improvement, but still not nearly as good. I think the problem is you know one of the main stumbling blocks for pushing hardware is temps and having been to the mountaintop with a chiller, it is kind of hard to come back down to the inconsistencies of cooling that is much inferior but more important subject to ambient temps.... -------------------------------------------------------- @Talon No AL refresh till March/April.... https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-ultra-200k-plus-and-200hx-plus-arrow-lake-refresh-expected-in-march-april --------------------------------------------------------- Second 265k + Strix-A + Vengeance 9200 DDR5 9066 G4 @ 1.51v pass One reason more voltage than the rated 1.45v is XMP won't work with the profile tWR set to 138 which was outlandish and every single Asus board (AYW, Strix-A, Apex) refused to boot with that setting so I went ham with it down to 48. I will eventually work that back up and expect (in theory) for voltages to be a little more forgiving. Once I see where G4 tops out, I'll go back and start working up from 8800 (8667 already passed) in G2 on this second 265k 2 Electrosoft Alpha: 9800X3D | Asus X870E Hero Crosshair | MSI Vanguard RTX 5090 OC | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 @ 2200/6400 tuned | Samsung 9100 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-14900KS SP109 | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Gigabyte 9070XT Gaming OC Edition| 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | Samsung 980 1TB Pro | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 165hz 32" Alienware Area-51 18 | 275HX | Nvidia RTX 5070ti | 32GB DDR5 6400 |Gen 5 2TB | 18" QHD | WiFi 7
Papusan Posted Wednesday at 10:05 PM Posted Wednesday at 10:05 PM On 1/13/2026 at 6:00 PM, Papusan said: Yup. You may only need iGPU for gaming (sarcasm). You even get MFG from Intel iGPU. And yep, you get an (NPU) cpu in the package. Intel "Nova Lake" Xe3P iGPUs Could be 25% More Powerful Than Xe3 Models If/I mean when the bubble burst it will be harder for nvidia and AMD to bring back people over to even more overpriced GPUs. Many will most likely stay with their iGPUs/consoles. Everything come at a price. People won't pay extra premium for gamer cards due the AI bubble failure. 1 1 "The Killer" ASUS Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel
electrosoft Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago Welp, 9066 is it for the Asus Z890 Strix-A but that was what it was rated, so I can't complain on the Strix-A. 9200 it has all the classic signs of board fault just like the Apex at 8667+ being the culprit but this $176 Strix-A open box is a keeper. I am also impressed with the Vengeance 9200 sticks as they performed as advertised. Only thing is Asus boards (all three of them) do not like high tWR as spec'd in the Vengeance XMP profile. None of them would boot with the default 138. I am sure these didn't make the QVL..... Testing and passed 8800 G2 and 8933 G2 for now so I'm good. I'll end up falling back for the heck of it to push for G2 9066 but for now time to dial in and tune 8600 G2 and OC this SP83 265k to get it exactly where I want it before swapping it in to the main rig to run it as my daily in a real world scenario. Plan is to do that when my WV2 arrives and I upend up complete build with it along with install a dedicated case mounted 140mm fan over the DDR5. Still waiting on my first batch of MX-7 thermal paste to start rebuilding my thermal/LM collection.... still riding on a 150w air cooler with a single fan and ID-cooling thermal paste included with it atm.... --------------------------------------------------- 5090's sold out everywhere in the US now. I can't find a single MSRP model anywhere only overpriced scalpers hawking them on Amazon. One year removed from launch and here we go again.... Cheapest 5080 in stock is the $1280 Ventus on Amazon Cheapest 5070ti is $829 but $749 models do occasionally come into stock. If you want one, now is the time to grab one as it is the best bang:buck this generation if at or close to MSRP but it is on its way out. 5070's readily available and on sale in a few locations. MC has them for $499. Amazon has the Prime 5070 on sale for $539.99....expect these to dry up and prices to creep up or at least MSRP models go bye bye. Prices crept up a little, but 9070xt's are readily available. 5070ti , 5060ti 16GB EOL: 5070 12gb reduced supply but not EOL (for now)... Nvidia is basically abandoning the gamer market. Discontinuing all 16GB models except the 5080 and even it is in the crosshairs has they have scaled back production. 5090s are also on the chopping block to redirect all resources to AI. What 16GB they will offer will be in the 5080 to try to maximize profits and if it doesn't offer enough profitability, they will just either raise the price more or EOL it to redirect that memory to AI. Gamers are left with: 3060 12GB (rumored) 5060 8GB 5060ti 8GB 5070 12GB (which is in trouble) Scaled back 5080 and 5090 with both priced at $1300+ and 3500+ and climbing as Nvidia continues to re-direct supply to AI both dies and memory. ----------------------------------------------------------- This is AMD's moment quite honestly to gain market share. Hopefully they don't muck it up. Keep the 9070xt plentiful at a minimum as they will basically OWN the mid class of cards even if prices go up as the 9070xt competes with the 5070ti and approaches the 5080 in some benchmarks. They will most likely kill off the 9060xt 16GB but if they kept that model, they would dominate the low end too. You also have Steam coming in hot already with handhelds and now the Steammachine all based around AMD hardware. If there was ever a year for AMD to flip the script if even a little, this is the time! 1 Electrosoft Alpha: 9800X3D | Asus X870E Hero Crosshair | MSI Vanguard RTX 5090 OC | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 @ 2200/6400 tuned | Samsung 9100 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-14900KS SP109 | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Gigabyte 9070XT Gaming OC Edition| 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | Samsung 980 1TB Pro | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 165hz 32" Alienware Area-51 18 | 275HX | Nvidia RTX 5070ti | 32GB DDR5 6400 |Gen 5 2TB | 18" QHD | WiFi 7
Papusan Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 3 hours ago, electrosoft said: 5070ti , 5060ti 16GB EOL: Nvidia is basically abandoning the gamer market. Discontinuing all 16GB models except the 5080 and even it is in the crosshairs has they have scaled back production. 5090s are also on the chopping block to redirect all resources to AI. 5070 12gb reduced supply but not EOL (for now)... Nvidia is basically abandoning the gamer market. Discontinuing all 16GB models except the 5080 and even it is in the crosshairs has they have scaled back production. 5090s are also on the chopping block to redirect all resources to AI. What 16GB they will offer will be in the 5080 to try to maximize profits and if it doesn't offer enough profitability, they will just either raise the price more or EOL it to redirect that memory to AI. Gamers are left with: 3060 12GB (rumored) 5060 8GB 5060ti 8GB 5070 12GB (which is in trouble) Scaled back 5080 and 5090 with both priced at $1300+ and 3500+ and climbing as Nvidia continues to re-direct supply to AI both dies and memory. ----------------------------------------------------------- This is AMD's moment quite honestly to gain market share. Hopefully they don't muck it up. Keep the 9070xt plentiful at a minimum as they will basically OWN the mid class of cards even if prices go up as the 9070xt competes with the 5070ti and approaches the 5080 in some benchmarks. They will most likely kill off the 9060xt 16GB but if they kept that model, they would dominate the low end too. You also have Steam coming in hot already with handhelds and now the Steammachine all based around AMD hardware. If there was ever a year for AMD to flip the script if even a little, this is the time! Hmmm.... All this is a huge blow to HU sources credibility. And HU prefered to be in front. Why would nvidia let AMD have the whole mid/higher end cake? If so then Nvidia would need to reduce the prices for their xx80 cards. Or come closer to 9070XT price point. Update: Statement from NVIDIA What changes are occurring in the GeForce ecosystem given the current memory market? Demand for GeForce RTX GPUs is strong, and memory supply is constrained. We continue to ship all GeForce SKUs and are working closely with our suppliers to maximize memory availability. - according to NVIDIA to Hardwareluxx Btw. One of the biggest retail in Norway don't have 5090's to ship out (Ordered - Delivery date unknown). Zero and nada https://www.proshop.no/Grafikkort?s=5090 But you still have 5090 cards from other shops. A couple of hundreds ready for shipments... Flood of different 9070XT. Not so much of 5070Ti/5080. It sems people want (nvidia) 16GB cards while they can get them closer to org MSRP. 1 1 "The Killer" ASUS Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel
Mr. Fox Posted 12 hours ago Author Posted 12 hours ago Maybe the dead RAM sticks that Brother @Rage Set and others I have been seeing randomly is a sign of things to come. In more ways than one, we are living in the bad old days. The good old days are behind us now. I'm glad my sticks are on water. My derrogatory reference to "heating blankets" instead of heat spreaders for the worthless garbage stock RAM heatsinks is finally being recognized. 1 1 WRAITH // X870E Apex | 9950X | 5090 Solid OC | 48GB DDR5-8000 | GF3 1650W | Triple 360 Loop | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X870E-E Strix | EPYC 4585PX | 4090 Suprim | 32GB DDR5-8000 | Edge 1300W | Dual 360 Loop || O11D XL EVO (Rhinoceros) MEH!! // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | MXM Quadro P5000 16GB | 32GB DDR4 | 4K IPS Display | $500 Turdbook (Sea Turtle) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second.
Papusan Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 43 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: The good old days are behind us now. I won't trust this man... Imagine the pc components industri if all people will buy is an low powered Jokebook (cloud-only model) to connect to the cloud. Will AI frenzy give rise to the cloud PC? Jeff Bezos thinks so Jeff Bezos said the quiet part out loud — hopes that you'll give up your PC to rent one from the cloud. 1 1 "The Killer" ASUS Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel
Mr. Fox Posted 11 hours ago Author Posted 11 hours ago 15 minutes ago, Papusan said: I won't trust this man... Imagine the pc components industri if all people will buy is an low powered Jokebook (cloud-only model) to connect to the cloud. Will AI frenzy give rise to the cloud PC? Jeff Bezos thinks so Jeff Bezos said the quiet part out loud — hopes that you'll give up your PC to rent one from the cloud. This is related to that topic. WRAITH // X870E Apex | 9950X | 5090 Solid OC | 48GB DDR5-8000 | GF3 1650W | Triple 360 Loop | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X870E-E Strix | EPYC 4585PX | 4090 Suprim | 32GB DDR5-8000 | Edge 1300W | Dual 360 Loop || O11D XL EVO (Rhinoceros) MEH!! // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | MXM Quadro P5000 16GB | 32GB DDR4 | 4K IPS Display | $500 Turdbook (Sea Turtle) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second.
electrosoft Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 3 hours ago, Papusan said: Hmmm.... All this is a huge blow to HU sources credibility. And HU prefered to be in front. Why would nvidia let AMD have the whole mid/higher end cake? If so then Nvidia would need to reduce the prices for their xx80 cards. Or come closer to 9070XT price point. Update: Statement from NVIDIA What changes are occurring in the GeForce ecosystem given the current memory market? Demand for GeForce RTX GPUs is strong, and memory supply is constrained. We continue to ship all GeForce SKUs and are working closely with our suppliers to maximize memory availability. - according to NVIDIA to Hardwareluxx Btw. One of the biggest retail in Norway don't have 5090's to ship out (Ordered - Delivery date unknown). Zero and nada https://www.proshop.no/Grafikkort?s=5090 But you still have 5090 cards from other shops. A couple of hundreds ready for shipments... Flood of different 9070XT. Not so much of 5070Ti/5080. It sems people want (nvidia) 16GB cards while they can get them closer to org MSRP. HU talks to Asus and other makers who are actually on the front lines and reports production slowdowns or shutdowns Nvidia steps in for damage control Rinse repeat. 🤣 Nvidia isn't "letting" them have it. They would be prioritizing their most lucrative markets. Nvidia's potential product stack covers low, low mid and low high 5050 (barf), 5060 8GB, 5060ti 8GB, 5070, 5080. Seriously though, Nvidia will not lower prices on the 5080. That isn't logical. Nvidia goes where the money takes them. If VRAM is plentiful, more for everybody but with the real world constraints in place for VRAM, Nvidia will adjust accordingly and make sure their most profitable products get the VRAM and that is NOT the 5060ti 16GB or 5070ti but the 5080 and like I said, depending on future supply issues, even the 5080 will suffer from, ahem, a slow down in production or prices will go up (or both). "Discontinue" is maybe a bit harsh from HU, but drastically cut production to the point of discontinuation or sporadic allocations is feasible. 1% production is still technically still in production but...... 🤣 In other words, Nvidia is going to prioritize their most lucrative AI market and whatever happens to be left over will make its way to us consumers.... We knew GPU shortages were rumored in December contiuing on into the new year months ago and we're seeing it slowly happen Same with RAM prices. It was rumored back in early September and we saw it happen and continue to happen Even SSDs, SD cards and more are subject to the AI reality and market forces You literally have a memory company can their entire consumer division (which was profitable) to focus on the AI market As for the 5090, all reports from overseas is supply is dwindling and prices are going up. US just beat them to the final punch first being one of the largest consumer markets on the planet. Like I (and you) have noted, plenty of 9070xt's available but if supply dries up of Nvidia cards in those ranges, AMD may face a shortage too eventually just like with the CryptoPandemic years and Ampere where you couldn't keep either brand in stock..... 2026 is going to be a heck of a ride!!! 1 Electrosoft Alpha: 9800X3D | Asus X870E Hero Crosshair | MSI Vanguard RTX 5090 OC | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 @ 2200/6400 tuned | Samsung 9100 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-14900KS SP109 | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Gigabyte 9070XT Gaming OC Edition| 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | Samsung 980 1TB Pro | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 165hz 32" Alienware Area-51 18 | 275HX | Nvidia RTX 5070ti | 32GB DDR5 6400 |Gen 5 2TB | 18" QHD | WiFi 7
Papusan Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, electrosoft said: HU talks to Asus and other makers who are actually on the front lines and reports production slowdowns or shutdowns Nvidia steps in for damage control Rinse repeat. 🤣 Nvidia isn't "letting" them have it. They would be prioritizing their most lucrative markets. Nvidia's potential product stack covers low, low mid and low high 5050 (barf), 5060 8GB, 5060ti 8GB, 5070, 5080. Seriously though, Nvidia will not lower prices on the 5080. That isn't logical. Nvidia goes where the money takes them. If VRAM is plentiful, more for everybody but with the real world constraints in place for VRAM, Nvidia will adjust accordingly and make sure their most profitable products get the VRAM and that is NOT the 5060ti 16GB or 5070ti but the 5080 and like I said, depending on future supply issues, even the 5080 will suffer from, ahem, a slow down in production or prices will go up (or both). "Discontinue" is maybe a bit harsh from HU, but drastically cut production to the point of discontinuation or sporadic allocations is feasible. 1% production is still technically still in production but...... 🤣 In other words, Nvidia is going to prioritize their most lucrative AI market and whatever happens to be left over will make its way to us consumers.... We knew GPU shortages were rumored in December contiuing on into the new year months ago and we're seeing it slowly happen Same with RAM prices. It was rumored back in early September and we saw it happen and continue to happen Even SSDs, SD cards and more are subject to the AI reality and market forces You literally have a memory company can their entire consumer division (which was profitable) to focus on the AI market As for the 5090, all reports from overseas is supply is dwindling and prices are going up. US just beat them to the final punch first being one of the largest consumer markets on the planet. Like I (and you) have noted, plenty of 9070xt's available but if supply dries up of Nvidia cards in those ranges, AMD may face a shortage too eventually just like with the CryptoPandemic years and Ampere where you couldn't keep either brand in stock..... 2026 is going to be a heck of a ride!!! I wouldn't trust anything coming from Asus. They raised prices even though there was no need. They blamed price increases/taxes. To this day they haven't lowered their MSRP even if the retail have more than enough cards (months after months - no problem get loads of cards). They just continue same way so that the MSRP for Asus cards can be kept artificially high. No cards are going to be put on eol now. Just lower availability. Which suggests that Asus can will continue to milk at inflated prices. And HU, THEY fell into ASUS' trap. 15% to 20% fewer cards on the market doesn't mean Nvidia GPUs are going away. Just higher prices than today. Gamers/pc consumers will continue to buy cards if they have the money and patience to find what they want Ram is an different animal... Sky-high prices here home. And almost no ram in stock. Cheapo 32GB men kits go for 700-900 USD. Low end 48GB kits more like 1000-2000 USD incl tax. Yep you read right, 48GB 6000 kits for up to $2200. Nvidia's backup-plan. NVIDIA's AI Texture Compression is what PC gaming needs right now NVIDIA has updated its RTX Neural Texture Compression SDK for game developers, and it can dramatically reduce the VRAM requirement for PC games. Edit. Some fire-fighting... They want sales. "We are providing today an update to the PC system requirements for 007 First Light after the community flagged some inconsistencies in an earlier version of the listing," the developer wrote on the game's official X profile. No Need To Empty Your Wallet For More RAM: 007 First Light Updated System Requirements Lower RAM and VRAM Recommendations "After a thorough re-examination and additional testing, the recommended RAM has been corrected from 32GB to 16GB, VRAM values have been updated, and the minimum CPU line has been fixed. Additional performance targets will be shared closer to launch," the developer continued, confirming that the updated specs are now reflected across store pages. 3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: This is related to that topic. The electicity bill is already increased here. And it will be worse. More people will be forced to eat cheap cat food And not only the elderly on low pension. Spain will invest 4 billion in an AI GIGAFAB: prepare your wallet for the electricity price hike There is poverty even in one of the world's richest countries that is overflowing with money. Not a nice death, freezing to death in your own house in one of the coldest places on earth. 1 1 "The Killer" ASUS Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel
Mr. Fox Posted 7 hours ago Author Posted 7 hours ago 1 hour ago, Papusan said: The electicity bill is already increased here. And it will be worse. More people will be forced to eat cheap cat food And not only the elderly on low pension. Spain will invest 4 billion in an AI GIGAFAB: prepare your wallet for the electricity price hike There is poverty even in one of the world's richest countries that is overflowing with money. Not a nice death, freezing to death in your own house in one of the coldest places on earth. We need either federal legislation or an executive order forbidding the transfer of costs of any kind to communities for any business. Be it AI, manufacturing or anything else, companies that cannot survive without subsidies or consumers living nearby footing the bill should not be allowed to operate. They need to stand on their own or die. No tax breaks or energy breaks for businesses, no free rides. Swim or drown. If their presence increases the cost of energy, they need to absorb the difference so the end result means private property owners pay no more than before they arrived. Any violators have their assets seized. 1 WRAITH // X870E Apex | 9950X | 5090 Solid OC | 48GB DDR5-8000 | GF3 1650W | Triple 360 Loop | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X870E-E Strix | EPYC 4585PX | 4090 Suprim | 32GB DDR5-8000 | Edge 1300W | Dual 360 Loop || O11D XL EVO (Rhinoceros) MEH!! // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | MXM Quadro P5000 16GB | 32GB DDR4 | 4K IPS Display | $500 Turdbook (Sea Turtle) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second.
Mr. Fox Posted 7 hours ago Author Posted 7 hours ago More good news for us Micro$lop digital filth haters. Combined with the damage Steam has already inflicted, this might be just the silver bullet we are hoping pierces the heart of the behemoth Digital Data Vampire from hell. I hope GOG concentrates all or most of their energy on Linux. We need to be done with the Redmond Reprobates and their cancer OS. Now independent, GOG is thinking about publishing games and embracing Linux | TechSpot NVIDIA needs to go out of business. I hope they go bankrupt and all of their stockholders lose everything. 1 1 WRAITH // X870E Apex | 9950X | 5090 Solid OC | 48GB DDR5-8000 | GF3 1650W | Triple 360 Loop | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X870E-E Strix | EPYC 4585PX | 4090 Suprim | 32GB DDR5-8000 | Edge 1300W | Dual 360 Loop || O11D XL EVO (Rhinoceros) MEH!! // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | MXM Quadro P5000 16GB | 32GB DDR4 | 4K IPS Display | $500 Turdbook (Sea Turtle) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second.
Papusan Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago Maybe Nvidia should shake up Samsung, Hynix and Micron? Doesn't nvidia pay enough? 1 "The Killer" ASUS Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel
electrosoft Posted 47 minutes ago Posted 47 minutes ago Doing some quick and dirty DDR5 testing in my preferred spots in game for WoW and FO76 JEDEC 5600 vs 6400 vs 8000 on the 9800X3D with the newest BIOS and drivers... Take away? On X3D, WoW doesn't give a crap what speed you run your memory or settings at 4k Ultra.... Fallout on the other hand prefers 8000...... Tazevesh will even work over a 5090 no problem. FO is CPU bound horrifically just about everywhere on my Vanguard 5090 Small blip in the .01 on WoW 6400 tuned because of a player who ran through my capture but it is in line with FO76 placing. I will be sticking with 8000 from now on with AM5.... BBT took a swing at scaling DDR5 on Socket 1700 and 1851 (previously posted) for games and there are definite gains but nothing that's going to light the world on fire methinks. You will net the bulk of the gains by 8000 and then top it off 8000->9000. Looking at the results from my Q&D tests, that is about what I'm expecting even on the 265k.... Electrosoft Alpha: 9800X3D | Asus X870E Hero Crosshair | MSI Vanguard RTX 5090 OC | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 @ 2200/6400 tuned | Samsung 9100 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-14900KS SP109 | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Gigabyte 9070XT Gaming OC Edition| 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | Samsung 980 1TB Pro | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 165hz 32" Alienware Area-51 18 | 275HX | Nvidia RTX 5070ti | 32GB DDR5 6400 |Gen 5 2TB | 18" QHD | WiFi 7
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