*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

MSI overclocker says latest BIOS is now ‘waiting’ for next-gen Ryzen CPUs

Interesting... time will tell. But 9600 with 128GB of DDR5 installed is impressive, especially for Ryzen.

 

Lots of propaganda and clickbait that translates into an experience that few or none of us wil ever have due to silicon lotteries, component availability issues and misrepresentation of very strategically selected slivers of truth that leave out important details, with many unanswered questions and caveats. Sales are driven by publicity stunts and lies that make headlines.

[Papusan]

20 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The forum seems to be experiencing some issues. Very slow and unresponsive and sporadically inaccessible.

 

Yup, the speed of the forum is awful. Equal awful  as this cooling design....

 

What a fantastic design. Why not cut of more of the cooling fins? The more you cut the more you save🤐 And where can you spot if the tiny trash melt with backplate lid closed before it's too late? Nice we are born with a nose so we can smell the smoke from burnt electronics🙄

 

 

MSI GeForce RTX 5070 Ti VENTUS 3X PZ OC Review - Hidden Cable, Visible Performance

 

 

Why not just scrap the whole idea with hybrid cores? Only because Intel can make new software for optimizations on the latest and greatest and then scrap/forget prev gen Intel chips? Hmmm.

 

Intel’s Hallock Blames Software, Not Silicon, For Gaming Gap — Claims 30% Performance Is Hiding Behind Poor Optimization

 

Robert focused on the same, highlighting the importance of proper software optimizations that can fix these issues. We have seen how the scheduler behavior becomes a crucial aspect in gaming workloads. While Intel's hybrid CPUs rely on Thread Director, the performance ultimately depend heavily on multiple factors like OS, game engines, background processes, power plans etc.

[Reciever]

Sorry I hadn't notice the forums lack of responsiveness, been busy on my end. 

I have sent for the issue to be looked over, hopefully tomorrow morning. Sorry everyone!

[jaybee83]

Finished testing the Matrix 800W vBios yesterday, basically grabbed top spot in all included benches except for like 2 or so, very consistently beating the Gigachad vBios! 

 

All in all, Im currently looking at +71-72% above 4090 stock and roughly +16-17% above 5090 stock, not bad! Gotta love the upgradeability and tuning ability of desktop systems 😄 

 

Now moving on to the Lightning vBios versions, not sure yet if ill also test the XOC versions from Asus and MSI...

 

Monitoring and logging via the WVPII makes things way more relaxed tbh 😄 so far looking good, connector stays very cool, max ive seen thus far was like in the mid 50s, with the inbuilt fan barely starting to spin at that point. still have to do a deepdive on the data collected for the Matrix vBios, gonna do that for every vBios tested so I have a good overview of what kinda wattage my cooling could manage long term 🙂 

[Reciever]

Was another ddos attack but things should be back to normal

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

Was another ddos attack but things should be back to normal

 

oh cmon, why even bother to attack our cozy little forum here....

[electrosoft]

Cost per performance is grossly in the 270k's favor vs both the 9950X3D and 9950X3D2.....

 

 

 

On 4/23/2026 at 3:31 PM, Papusan said:

 

Yup, the speed of the forum is awful. Equal awful  as this cooling design....

 

What a fantastic design. Why not cut of more of the cooling fins? The more you cut the more you save🤐 And where can you spot if the tiny trash melt with backplate lid closed before it's too late? Nice we are born with a nose so we can smell the smoke from burnt electronics🙄

 

 

MSI GeForce RTX 5070 Ti VENTUS 3X PZ OC Review - Hidden Cable, Visible Performance

 

 

Why not just scrap the whole idea with hybrid cores? Only because Intel can make new software for optimizations on the latest and greatest and then scrap/forget prev gen Intel chips? Hmmm.

 

Intel’s Hallock Blames Software, Not Silicon, For Gaming Gap — Claims 30% Performance Is Hiding Behind Poor Optimization

 

Robert focused on the same, highlighting the importance of proper software optimizations that can fix these issues. We have seen how the scheduler behavior becomes a crucial aspect in gaming workloads. While Intel's hybrid CPUs rely on Thread Director, the performance ultimately depend heavily on multiple factors like OS, game engines, background processes, power plans etc.

 

Hey, at least MSI didn't angle it to the side like Sapphire did with the Nitro+ 9070xt introducing a needed bend to work in an already fragile connector......

 

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I am on Intel's side with this one. Just like GPU optimizations where we sometimes have a clearly slower GPU like the 9070xt sometimes hanging with even the 5090 in some instances due to a lack of optimizations along with being optimized for AMD.

 

Even if they went back to monolithic, that doesn't mean games couldn't be optimized to target the subtle (and not so subtle) nuances of each chip and quite frankly just in general.

 

Too many sloppy ports not putting in the work till after release if at all....

 

18 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

Finished testing the Matrix 800W vBios yesterday, basically grabbed top spot in all included benches except for like 2 or so, very consistently beating the Gigachad vBios! 

 

All in all, Im currently looking at +71-72% above 4090 stock and roughly +16-17% above 5090 stock, not bad! Gotta love the upgradeability and tuning ability of desktop systems 😄 

 

Now moving on to the Lightning vBios versions, not sure yet if ill also test the XOC versions from Asus and MSI...

 

Monitoring and logging via the WVPII makes things way more relaxed tbh 😄 so far looking good, connector stays very cool, max ive seen thus far was like in the mid 50s, with the inbuilt fan barely starting to spin at that point. still have to do a deepdive on the data collected for the Matrix vBios, gonna do that for every vBios tested so I have a good overview of what kinda wattage my cooling could manage long term 🙂 

 

Matrix is the sweet spot and I agree. WIth the WVP2, it gives you a sense of safety and monitoring  both visually, audibly and within HWInfo. The wired shutdown function if desired is also nice.

 

I do like seeing the little fan icon start to spin....

 

5090 is clearly a beast as is vs 4090 and with the Matrix vBIOS it just extends that quite nicely. I do tend to run at stock during the warm times because the 5090 can quickly turn my computer room into a sauna just like the OC'd 4090 and 3090ti did. Plus WoW and FO76 rarely  cap out the 5090 especially FO76.

 

4 hours ago, Reciever said:

Was another ddos attack but things should be back to normal

 

Who would want to DDOS notebooktalk? That's odd........

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Looks like Alex finally got it fixed.

 

Wow... scamming goes next level. The people worthless scum doing this kind of thing need to be exterminated. 

 

[Papusan]

17 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Hey, at least MSI didn't angle it to the side like Sapphire did with the Nitro+ 9070xt introducing a needed bend to work in an already fragile connector......

 

Now you need pay premium or even extra for good quality power cables from PSU manufacturers/ODM/OEM. And if you are happy with the cheaper OEM cables from said company you may be screwed. What next? Send the bill to Jensen because his love for cute small GPU PCB design hence the fragile GPU power connector? He won't pay. That's on you.

 

Charging around $40 to $50 more for what is still a GPU power cable makes the safety angle harder to accept, even if the engineering does appear to reduce connector stress.

 

ASUS puts a $50 tag on safer GPU power cables, ROG Equalizer now has a price

[electrosoft]

3 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Now you need pay premium or even extra for good quality power cables from PSU manufacturers/ODM/OEM. And if you are happy with the cheaper OEM cables from said company you may be screwed. What next? Send the bill to Jensen because his love for cute small GPU PCB design hence the fragile GPU power connector? 

 

Charging around $40 to $50 more for what is still a GPU power cable makes the safety angle harder to accept, even if the engineering does appear to reduce connector stress.

 

ASUS puts a $50 tag on safer GPU power cables, ROG Equalizer now has a price

 

I mean this IS Asus...... did we expect any less? 🤣

 

I think users need to accept bending these cables just isn't a good call in any scenario..... Before the WVP2 and MSI sending me the MEG 1600T, I kept my tentacle as straight out as possible trying to bend only from the extensions themselves as far out as possible.

 

But overall, it is just not a good design/cable.....

 

 

[jaybee83]

On 4/24/2026 at 7:51 AM, jaybee83 said:

Finished testing the Matrix 800W vBios yesterday, basically grabbed top spot in all included benches except for like 2 or so, very consistently beating the Gigachad vBios! 

 

All in all, Im currently looking at +71-72% above 4090 stock and roughly +16-17% above 5090 stock, not bad! Gotta love the upgradeability and tuning ability of desktop systems 😄 

 

Now moving on to the Lightning vBios versions, not sure yet if ill also test the XOC versions from Asus and MSI...

 

Monitoring and logging via the WVPII makes things way more relaxed tbh 😄 so far looking good, connector stays very cool, max ive seen thus far was like in the mid 50s, with the inbuilt fan barely starting to spin at that point. still have to do a deepdive on the data collected for the Matrix vBios, gonna do that for every vBios tested so I have a good overview of what kinda wattage my cooling could manage long term 🙂 

 

welp that was a quickie, the lightning Z vbioses only let me run one of the three fans 😄 wont bother testing the XOC versions, so Matrix it is for D2D now 🙂 

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Wow... scamming goes next level. The people worthless scum doing this kind of thing need to be exterminated. 

 

 

Even NWR was impressed with the level of dedication to pass off a clearly stripped 4090 as legit.....visually.

 

You've got to test hardware, period. Unless you know the person, test test test and implement a few other safety measures too like location, access to power to test and securing the item once tested good to avoid a bait and switch.

 

If you can meet at a public swap area at a police station, always use that location. Back during the Cryptodemic, buddy was all excited about a killer 3090 Asus deal on local FB. I told him to insist on meeting at his local police station swap area and he agreed. Seller tried everything possible to NOT meet at the police station even though he was local too so he smartly passed on that one.

 

I've also used Starbucks before to meet up and test hardware because they have plenty of outlets inside. It helps if it is a local Starbucks and they already know you. I used Barnes and Nobles a few times too to quickly test hardware.

 

Let the seller know you WILL be testing the hardware on premises in your own hardware and it will be staying in there after testing and payment (Zelle, PP or Venmo FF) is then tendered. Unless it is a safe area don't use cash or you end up like my college roommate's friend who lived  on campus too who met off campus to buy a Macbook Duo and ended up getting robbed. I tried to warn him to do it on campus in the common areas but nope.....off he went and received a pistol whipping and $2k lighter pockets.

 

I remember being in Hong Kong years ago and watching an American lady who was traveling in our group  get baited and switched on a high end camera at a downtown store. Funniest thing was watching the sales person who was speaking very passable english suddenly couldn't speak english when she called the police. Police told her there wasn't much they could do as it was her word against his. Lucky for her she used an Amex and was a long standing member. I helped her call her credit card right then and there from a payphone, explain the situation and they immediately put a hold on the transaction. Found out later when she got home they sided with her and told her to mail back the camera with proof of delivery so she did. The store actually called her from Hong Kong and tried to curse her out and insist she had to repay the transaction.....lovely yelling at a 65yr old lady.....classy.

 

3 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

welp that was a quickie, the lightning Z vbioses only let me run one of the three fans 😄 wont bother testing the XOC versions, so Matrix it is for D2D now 🙂 

 

Welp...... 🤣

 

[win32asmguy]

On 4/16/2026 at 6:15 PM, electrosoft said:

someone wrote an article for 2026 for WoW CPU performance and X3D.

 

Article pushing for X3D superiority for WoW.

 

I agree with some of his points, but two things:

 

#1. There is NO WAY his "friend" was keeping a consistent 165fps+ in Dorongal or Raids even on X3D at 1440p 7 settings. No, just no. Maybe spikes here or there or nights with low to no players in town but on average? No....

 

#2. Properly tuned, a 13th and 14th gen Intel chip is competitive vs X3D while providing better overall  even lows. With Midnight, I'll end up retesting this on the wife's rig (SP109 14900KS tuned B-die at 59/45/50) when she plays, 14900KS is locked at 5.9ghz everywhere vs 9800X3D vs tuned 270k when I get time.

 

165fps does seem pretty high unless he is light on addons or not active during the really busy times. I also cannot really buy the 142fps (9800X3D) vs 98fps (9950X) either. I wonder if WoW had its threads across both CCDs. Back when I tested the 7945HX3D it seemed like the drivers + Game Bar mode did not always pin the game to CCD0 so I resolved to just using Process Lasso.

 

285K in simple 200S boost mode continues to outperform any laptop or desktop chip I tested in the past. No lag or stutter even in the busy areas or raids. His article also has no mention of Arrow Lake which was a pretty mature platform by late 2025 so at least worth a paragraph of discussion in my opinion..

 

I guess a 9950X3D2 is probably not going to give a meaningful performance boost in WoW either.

 

 

[Papusan]

 

Hmmm. May I smell coming inflation in the US ? Yup, I think so. 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

10 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

Back when I tested the 7945HX3D it seemed like the drivers + Game Bar mode did not always pin the game to CCD0 so I resolved to just using Process Lasso.

Relying upon Windoze scheduler, GameBar/XBOX bloatware or AMD drivers isn't going to produce consistent results. I don't even try. I decide for myself and choose the behavior manually using CPUSetSetter. It works fantastic if you haven't already tried it. I create hotkeys and can test on the fly to see in realtime what CPU core mask works best.

[KING19]

Stock before tweaking:

 

 

 

 

 

After Tweaks, small undervolt and Windows 11 debloating:

 

 

Gen 5 SSD:

 

Still getting used to this beast of a laptop, Wish Windows 11 didnt suck so much...

[Papusan]

 

On 8/22/2023 at 3:32 AM, Papusan said:

Galax/KFA is the sub-brand of Palit Microsystems. Worlds biggest Graphics cards manufacturer. Colorful Group (Colorful Technology) own Colorful graphics cards. A huge Chineese Global brand that operate even in U.S. But that doesn't help yoou much if the best SKUs remain in China/mainland and for the chosen one. Make a limited version of their cards is to push out rest of their gamerboy toys. Flagship models today is more for helping the manufacturer to sell their cheapest SKUs. No one really bother offer avesome.

 

Hmmm. Galax has left the PC market. Same did EVGA in the days. Thank's Nvidia for your effort to support gamers/tech enthusiasts and the oc'rs community.

 

GALAX, Creators of Iconic HOF Graphics Cards, Exits PC Business After 30 Years, Palit Takes Over Business & All RMA Support

 

GALAX Is No More, Graphics Card & PC Brand Exits The Industry With Palit Taking Over Control

 

Palit Consolidates Galax Brand Operations and Closes Hong Kong Office

Palit has confirmed a significant shift in its brand strategy, with the Galax graphics card brand now being repositioned to focus primarily on the Chinese market. As of April 1, 2026, Galax has been fully integrated into the Palit Group’s internal operations, effectively ending its role as a widely distributed global GPU brand. The change could mean that Galax-branded GeForce RTX graphics cards will no longer be commonly available in international markets.

 

With the brand’s strategic shift, it remains unclear whether the HOF series will continue in its current form or be adapted for the Chinese market. US/global China first. Exactly as Nvidia with Jensen wants.

 

 

[Reciever]

On 4/24/2026 at 4:08 PM, jaybee83 said:

 

oh cmon, why even bother to attack our cozy little forum here....

Its usually not targeted persay. 

 

Lots of bot farms out there just raining hell on any IP address range they decide for that day of the week. 

 

Internet is closer to the real world than people care to admit

[jaybee83]

On 4/27/2026 at 5:13 AM, Mr. Fox said:

Relying upon Windoze scheduler, GameBar/XBOX bloatware or AMD drivers isn't going to produce consistent results. I don't even try. I decide for myself and choose the behavior manually using CPUSetSetter. It works fantastic if you haven't already tried it. I create hotkeys and can test on the fly to see in realtime what CPU core mask works best.

 

awesome! ive been using process lasso thus far, will give this a whirl 🙂 

 

 

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Hmmm. Galax has left the PC market. Same did EVGA in the days. Thank's Nvidia for your effort to support gamers/tech enthusiasts and the oc'rs community.

 

GALAX, Creators of Iconic HOF Graphics Cards, Exits PC Business After 30 Years, Palit Takes Over Business & All RMA Support

 

GALAX Is No More, Graphics Card & PC Brand Exits The Industry With Palit Taking Over Control

 

 

holy crap, i didnt see that one coming!

[electrosoft]

On 4/26/2026 at 12:13 PM, win32asmguy said:

 

165fps does seem pretty high unless he is light on addons or not active during the really busy times. I also cannot really buy the 142fps (9800X3D) vs 98fps (9950X) either. I wonder if WoW had its threads across both CCDs. Back when I tested the 7945HX3D it seemed like the drivers + Game Bar mode did not always pin the game to CCD0 so I resolved to just using Process Lasso.

 

285K in simple 200S boost mode continues to outperform any laptop or desktop chip I tested in the past. No lag or stutter even in the busy areas or raids. His article also has no mention of Arrow Lake which was a pretty mature platform by late 2025 so at least worth a paragraph of discussion in my opinion..

 

I guess a 9950X3D2 is probably not going to give a meaningful performance boost in WoW either.

 

 

 

A valid comparison would me 9700x vs 9800X3D to really see what X3D brings to the table. I do know in FO76 the 9800X3D toasted the 9600x I tested worse than the 14900KS so X3D is magic sauce for some games.

 

Still haven't had time to work with the 270k I picked up from @Talon but I'll get to it soon. The testing I did on the 265k and 5090 was so smooth closer to 13th/14th gen. At 4k the lows are, as always, equal or better than X3D. That has always remained consistent in WoW but not Fallout 76.

 

My wife took my Alienware 4k OLED as an upgrade from her 1440p Asus IPS and I started using a new 3rd gen Asus flat matte OLED which I prefer over glossy curved (she actually prefers curved). So having been running WoW at 4k on both, even with details dialed down the 9070xt is almost constantly pegged at 99-100% everywhere in WoW but what I do notice also is the 5090 spends a lot of time well above 80% utilization and many times close to 90% so WoW is definitely giving it a workout on the level that would make a 4090 or below GPU bound at 4k in many instances.

 

The 9950X3D2 is useless for WoW and DOA for the vast majority of price/performance tasks. $900 for 2-3% better performance on average over a 9950X3D.....

 

At this stage of the game, 270k is the price/performance king overall and depending on games/resolution and some tuning, it is even the better pick over X3D chips for gaming (situational gaming scenarios notwithstanding of course).

 

On 4/26/2026 at 3:39 PM, Papusan said:

 

Hmmm. May I smell coming inflation in the US ? Yup, I think so. 

 

 

 

It isn't pretty over here..... I keep exacting YoY budgets and the cost difference from 2024 to 2026 in what I'm paying across the board is pretty telling from groceries to eating out and more.

 

 

On 4/26/2026 at 11:13 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Relying upon Windoze scheduler, GameBar/XBOX bloatware or AMD drivers isn't going to produce consistent results. I don't even try. I decide for myself and choose the behavior manually using CPUSetSetter. It works fantastic if you haven't already tried it. I create hotkeys and can test on the fly to see in realtime what CPU core mask works best.

 

Yeah, I used PL on my 7950X3D and MSI 7955HX3D. Never heard of CPUSetSetter since I haven't been on a dual CCD in quite some time. Let's see how AM6 pans out.....

 

16 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

Hmmm. Galax has left the PC market. Same did EVGA in the days. Thank's Nvidia for your effort to support gamers/tech enthusiasts and the oc'rs community.

 

GALAX, Creators of Iconic HOF Graphics Cards, Exits PC Business After 30 Years, Palit Takes Over Business & All RMA Support

 

GALAX Is No More, Graphics Card & PC Brand Exits The Industry With Palit Taking Over Control

 

Palit Consolidates Galax Brand Operations and Closes Hong Kong Office

Palit has confirmed a significant shift in its brand strategy, with the Galax graphics card brand now being repositioned to focus primarily on the Chinese market. As of April 1, 2026, Galax has been fully integrated into the Palit Group’s internal operations, effectively ending its role as a widely distributed global GPU brand. The change could mean that Galax-branded GeForce RTX graphics cards will no longer be commonly available in international markets.

 

With the brand’s strategic shift, it remains unclear whether the HOF series will continue in its current form or be adapted for the Chinese market. US/global China first. Exactly as Nvidia with Jensen wants.

 

 

 

Looks like Galax might be safe.....was always part of Palit since 2007...

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/palit-releases-statement-galax-kfa2-and-hof-brands-are-to-stay

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Looks this cable is just another example of overpriced A$$zeus gimmick garbage.

 

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Looks this cable is just another example of overpriced A$$zeus gimmick garbage.

 

 

was thinking the same thing 😄 sticking to my seasonic original cables, im at 1 amp max difference and in the low to mid 50s max. cable connector temp with the matrix vbios 🙂