*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Good news. Yes, SP118 is good for 9950X3D2. That is what mine was that I sold to @Reciever and the 9950X that I sold to @damric at oc.net was as well. SP118 is average or a 9950X (non-3D). My 4585PX is SP119, which is better than average for 9950X3D/4585PX (which are typically something like 115.). All of them will boot 8400 2:1 and run 2200 FCLK and run 8000 2:1 100% stable with 2200 FCLK very easily.

 

That's excellent @Reciever got everything up and running! And from the looks of it, he’s got it running really great too! You know, I actually almost kept my first one that was stuck at 2167fclk, and on the very last day to return, I had a change of heart lol (Glad I did!). But I’m playing with it. But the SP#’s are looking good on this one! The 1st CCD is good, but the 2nd CCD is very strong looking. 

 

I set a 1.180v Vsoc voltage and loaded right in Windows at 2,200fclk. No wheas! I will do some testing to ensure all is well with it. My last 9950X3D2 would not load 2200fclk no matter what you did! I tried literally everything. 

 

Now time for some memory testing, but at this point I’m liking it much better than that very first one. 

 

EDIT:::  2,200 FCLK + 6400c30 Gear 1:1 works perfectly fine so far. 

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 

That's excellent @Reciever got everything up and running! And from the looks of it, he’s got it running really great too! You know, I actually almost kept my first one that was stuck at 2167fclk, and on the very last day to return, I had a change of heart lol (Glad I did!). But I’m playing with it. But the SP#’s are looking good on this one! The 1st CCD is good, but the 2nd CCD is very strong looking. 

 

I set a 1.180v Vsoc voltage and loaded right in Windows at 2,200fclk. No wheas! I will do some testing to ensure all is well with it. My last 9950X3D2 would not load 2200fclk no matter what you did! I tried literally everything. 

 

Now time for some memory testing, but at this point I’m liking it much better than that very first one. 

 

EDIT:::  2,200 FCLK + 6400c30 Gear 1:1 works perfectly fine so far. 

He is using a profile I tuned for the 9950X3D2 and I bet he would be happy to export the CMO file, zip it and upload it here if you wanted to tinker with it to see if it works well for yours.

[Reciever]

12 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Looks awesome @Reciever! You've really switched into that next gear with hardware and cooling!

 

 

Do you have another platform to test it with the block on real quickly to see if it boots with a display out?

Nothing that would be quick, but I had a sneaking suspicion of a couple of things. 

I dusted my radiator nearby, and I also used an aftermarket pci bracket that came included with the alphacool waterblock (alphacore iirc). Luckily I didnt make the loop super lean in tubing since I know how I am. 

 

Anyways with the GPU slipping between Gen 1.1 and 2.0 (pointing to a signaling issue), the aftermarket bracket and possible contamination to dust, I went after the easiest solution. 

Removed the card while retaining the loop. Removed the PCI bracket, lightly dusted the pcie lane and 70% alcohol on the pcie traces of the GPU and installed without the bracket. 

Video is back! Was confused initially as one screen came back but not the other, turned out that cable fell out (woops!) 

 

Lets just ignore that lol. I absolutely blame ALL OF YOU for stepping up my cooling. I still like big air coolers but stepping back into water cooling has been an experience that I can enjoy and measure. Its more efficient displacement but more importantly takes up significantly less space. 

 

@Mr. Fox I am fairly confident that some dust must have been on the 9070 XT been keeping an eye on it this evening and its been sitting at Gen 4 (set manually in bios as part of diagnosing). As always everything I have purchased from you over the years has been well shipped, and exactly as advertised. Its really nice to be able to buy something set it aside for when you are ready, execute the plan and just know everything will be as expected. Even Hiew still sings your praises, he immediately sold his 5800X3D set up and enjoyed building his gift with the previous bundle. I never knew compiling shaders could move so quickly! 

 

@tps3443 just let me know if you want Brother Fox's profile, thus far its been rock solid for me on my setup. I can probably have it tomorrow night if you want it. 

 

I mentioned to Fox in our messages that I am pretty sure this platform I am running now is about as good as it can get if you are running 8-pin power. When ever the 7900 XTX @ 500w cant handle 120 FPS in games ill just set 60 and couple that with lossless scaling with the 9070 XT. Already have 100+ hours of Monster Hunter: Worlds at 4k120hz using that method. With GPU prices being such as they are, I'll ride this combo for as long as I can.

 

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, Reciever said:

Nothing that would be quick, but I had a sneaking suspicion of a couple of things. 

I dusted my radiator nearby, and I also used an aftermarket pci bracket that came included with the alphacool waterblock (alphacore iirc). Luckily I didnt make the loop super lean in tubing since I know how I am. 

 

Anyways with the GPU slipping between Gen 1.1 and 2.0 (pointing to a signaling issue), the aftermarket bracket and possible contamination to dust, I went after the easiest solution. 

Removed the card while retaining the loop. Removed the PCI bracket, lightly dusted the pcie lane and 70% alcohol on the pcie traces of the GPU and installed without the bracket. 

Video is back! Was confused initially as one screen came back but not the other, turned out that cable fell out (woops!) 

 

Lets just ignore that lol. I absolutely blame ALL OF YOU for stepping up my cooling. I still like big air coolers but stepping back into water cooling has been an experience that I can enjoy and measure. Its more efficient displacement but more importantly takes up significantly less space. 

 

@Mr. Fox I am fairly confident that some dust must have been on the 9070 XT been keeping an eye on it this evening and its been sitting at Gen 4 (set manually in bios as part of diagnosing). As always everything I have purchased from you over the years has been well shipped, and exactly as advertised. Its really nice to be able to buy something set it aside for when you are ready, execute the plan and just know everything will be as expected. Even Hiew still sings your praises, he immediately sold his 5800X3D set up and enjoyed building his gift with the previous bundle. I never knew compiling shaders could move so quickly! 

 

@tps3443 just let me know if you want Brother Fox's profile, thus far its been rock solid for me on my setup. I can probably have it tomorrow night if you want it. 

 

I mentioned to Fox in our messages that I am pretty sure this platform I am running now is about as good as it can get if you are running 8-pin power. When ever the 7900 XTX @ 500w cant handle 120 FPS in games ill just set 60 and couple that with lossless scaling with the 9070 XT. Already have 100+ hours of Monster Hunter: Worlds at 4k120hz using that method. With GPU prices being such as they are, I'll ride this combo for as long as I can.

 

Awesome. I am glad it was nothing serious with the 9070 XT. 

 

The pricing of GPUs and memory is totally inexcusable. It might have been initially due to supply and demand, but it is so far off the rails now that I no longer believe that and think it is part of a fabricated fraud scheme that has been meticulously engineered by exceedingly wicked people, all of whom deserve unspeakable misfortune and destruction to be visited upon them... tragedy on an order of magnitude that makes a Mortal Kombat "finish him" move look like a love pat. Your plan is a smart one. Maximize what you have.

 

I am happy and proud that we are to blame for your wanton disregard for the frugality and functional limitations of air cooling. I've tried to save a few bucks and learn to like it, but in the end it always sucks for more than one reason, and always the same reasons.

[Papusan]

14 hours ago, Papusan said:

We are just about to see $5,000 becoming a regular price for RTX 5090.

 

What with a Asus TUF at $5099 in the US ? That would be closer to $6373.75 USD incl tax here home. Luckily you get the TUF for cheap $4500 MSRP here home, if that will make you feel better🙄

 

And no problem get 5090's here home. All type SKUs and brands. Flood of them for sale. Lots in stock doesn't make a dent. They price the cards exactly as they prefer in the market. MSRP is a lie. 

 

And a TUF 5080 costs $1750 at MSRP. You can buy +50 of them right away if you want from the same store. This is actually the new MSRP and not inflated prices due to shortages.

 

HARDWARE

Graphics Card Prices Are Rising Fast (Again), and GeForce Is Taking the Biggest Hit

 

 

Same or similar for GPUs? Most likely. 

“Everyone is lying about supply”: the shortage that drove up memory prices is called into question; is a huge bubble about to burst?

 

 

 

 

50 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

The pricing of GPUs and memory is totally inexcusable. It might have been initially due to supply and demand, but it is so far off the rails now that I no longer believe that and think it is part of a fabricated fraud scheme that has been meticulously engineered by exceedingly wicked people, all of whom deserve unspeakable misfortune and destruction to be visited upon them... tragedy on an order of magnitude that makes a Mortal Kombat "finish him" move look like a love pat. Your plan is a smart one. Maximize what you have.

 

I am happy that we are to blame for your wanton disregard for the frugality and functional limitations of air cooling.

 

The listings provide evidence of extreme scarcity pricing, but they do not establish a new NVIDIA MSRP. NVIDIA has not announced an official price increase for the RTX 5090. The current figures should consequently be described as observed retail listings rather than the card’s new recommended price.

 

 

Yep, a huge lie. There is no (extreme)scarcity in the whole. So there is no reason to keep prices so high. Zero... Nada. Even though RAM/NAND prices have gone up several times, there is zero reason to price graphics cards +2 times the suggested retail price. This is classic greed and market manipulation. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

19 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

 

The listings provide evidence of extreme scarcity pricing, but they do not establish a new NVIDIA MSRP. NVIDIA has not announced an official price increase for the RTX 5090. The current figures should consequently be described as observed retail listings rather than the card’s new recommended price.

 

Yep, a huge lie. There is no (extreme)scarcity in the whole. So there is no reason to keep prices so high. Zero... Nada. Even though RAM/NAND prices have gone up several times, there is zero reason to price graphics cards +2 times the suggested retail price. This is classic greed and market manipulation. 

 

Absolutely, 100% greed motivated. It is a predatory maneuver to bankroll a fanatical and maniacal agenda that is not necessary and would fail on its own merits (advancing AI at an illogical pace). It is a plan destined for failure for the same reasons that taxing the rich into oblivion always fails. You eventually run out of other people's money. Then the house of cards collapses. AI is not bad. It is good and useful. The people and companies involved with freakish and obsessive development of it are the problem. Bad company always corrupts good morals. In some ways it resembles the nuclear arms race. You have wicked nations that would abuse it for nefarious purposes, which requires decisive action to keep them in check through the threat of mutually assured destruction.

[tps3443]

So far I have been strictly playing with 1:1 memory tuning. 6400c28 is completely solid even with 2,200 fclk. I think I may even can stabilize 6600 1:1. But it starts to show IMC limits at 6600 (1:1) 

 

I just tried 1:2 today for the first time, DDR5 8000 1:2 posted up first try. Even with only 1.400v VDDIO. There was definitely something seriously wrong with my last setup to not work. 

PS: These are my setting below.  I can't seem to get my latency down much. I am wondering if its OS related at this point. I even tried some manual Nitro Path settings. I am on a really old bios 1401 from 05/2025. 

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, tps3443 said:

So far I have been strictly playing with 1:1 memory tuning. 6400c28 is completely solid even with 2,200 fclk. I think I may even can stabilize 6600 1:1. But it starts to show IMC limits at 6600 (1:1) 

 

I just tried 1:2 today for the first time, DDR5 8000 1:2 posted up first try. Even with only 1.400v VDDIO. There was definitely something seriously wrong with my last setup to not work. 

 

So glad everything is working out this time around! Last time, you had three points of failure to try and diagnose (MB, Mem, CPU), and returning it all was the right call and paid dividends nicely.

 

6600 is super golden as is 8800 like on Sugi's setup which is bonkers.

 

Makes ya wonder about the second one you have at this point.....

 

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This 9850X3D can do 6600 but fails during TM5. 2233 flat out won't boot but 2200 on stock is just fine.

 

Temps are the problem as they were fine the first few days (~74c under CB23 looping load) and now are hitting 95+ from the jump so I will need to pop the Thermal Grizzly Heatspreader and check the liquid metal application. I needed to install some nylon washers on the backplate anyhow to help with the ~2mm z-height differential anyhow for more AIO options as the eK cr240 Nucleus was the only model that allows a deeper hand torque to somewhat compensate but once offset temps will plummet even moreso.

 

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Still fighting the urge to install my 270k in my main rig and eat my own chow till Nova or Zen 6 since even on this Dark Hero with a 9850X3D, it is still more of the same just a bit better..... 🤣

 

I know if installed as my main, it will get real time tuning and TLC....

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

17 hours ago, tps3443 said:

So far I have been strictly playing with 1:1 memory tuning. 6400c28 is completely solid even with 2,200 fclk. I think I may even can stabilize 6600 1:1. But it starts to show IMC limits at 6600 (1:1) 

 

I just tried 1:2 today for the first time, DDR5 8000 1:2 posted up first try. Even with only 1.400v VDDIO. There was definitely something seriously wrong with my last setup to not work. 

PS: These are my setting below.  I can't seem to get my latency down much. I am wondering if its OS related at this point. I even tried some manual Nitro Path settings. I am on a really old bios 1401 from 05/2025. 

The 16GB G.SKILL modules are definitely better for Ryzen than 24GB sticks, especially on ASUS.

 

Try the Strix X870E-E memory settings I used in this video. Bear in mind that X3D CPUs are always going to have a memory latency penalty, usually 1 to 3 ns. Set the "Core tunings Configuration for gaming" to Legacy and that should bring it down a bit.

 

 

If the 8000 C34 settings are too tight, try the 8000 C36 settings that I use on the B850MPOWER. There is almost no difference in memory benchmarks between the two. Too small to matter.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

BeQuiet PSU is a better thing to fail than an Astral 5090. The petite arson feces connector doesn't care what it ruins.

 

 

[electrosoft]

12 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Temps are the problem as they were fine the first few days (~74c under CB23 looping load) and now are hitting 95+ from the jump so I will need to pop the Thermal Grizzly Heatspreader and check the liquid metal application. I needed to install some nylon washers on the backplate anyhow to help with the ~2mm z-height differential anyhow for more AIO options as the eK cr240 Nucleus was the only model that allows a deeper hand torque to somewhat compensate but once offset temps will plummet even moreso.

 

 

Temps are even better by 3c lower after a few adjustments down to ~71c vs 9800X3D sitting at ~80c. Not apples to apples though.

 

#1. I didn't follow my own classic LM rule and actually apply a little extra on first application versus subsequent touch ups which I use less. I saw a few flat/dull spots and just added a touch more and reflowed the surface amount and redistributed on the heat spreader.

 

#2. I added nylon flexible washers to the bottom plate. Something I've done on the regular in the past to not only compensate for any potential Z-height height issues (if any) but more importantly give a little flexibility to tamping down screws to auto compensate for any thermal expansion if I'm not using the ILM which I have sometimes removed for better/direct pairing and relied on hand cranked mounting pressure with a torque adjustable driver. I had initially opted to bypass this step but added it back in this time around. It provides more value on laptops that support desktop CPUs overall with all the various pairing issues and such.

 

I ordered a few custom cut shims ~2mm that will arrive next week for some comparison data vs no washers vs several AIOs especially the ID Cooling Frost Flow x 280 which has zero compensation/extended range when tamping down the CPU block vs my EK CR240 or Lian Li II Performance Lite 360 which both give extra headroom for pairing and can somewhat compensate for the loss of the 2mm z-height with the TG Heatspreader.

 

I do think TG should have offered a normal height heatspreader or at least present their data showing core temp differentials between both versions tested in house. Maybe it is floating around out there on the Internetz somewhere.

 

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3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

BeQuiet PSU is a better thing to fail than an Astral 5090. The petite arson feces connector doesn't care what it ruins.

 

 

 

What a great advertisement for the TG WV II Pro....... seriously, Roman sits around and thinks of the stuff HE would want as an enthusiast, former high level OCer and just lover of tech.

 

Not sure why he doesn't have or used GPU Tweak III to see how it responded....

 

Watching it immediately pick up that load imbalance and spit out a warning was nice to see. Hook in the auto off wire function and it would even immediately shut down your system for you too.

 

That's two be quiet! PSUs involved in meltdowns in the matter of a few days. One using the 12vhpwr and the other using 4x PCIe 8 pin. I don't think it is be quiet's fault at all. Just an odd coincidence but more importantly burns and failures completely away from the 12vhpwr connector on the GPU itself but instead the PSU and/or PSU cabling.

 

I'm sure they're going into damage control mode though as a precaution.

 

be quiet Dark Power 13 (This is HUB, I'll assume the 1600w model)

be quiet! Dark Power 13 (Club386 burned at both ends)

be quiet Straight Power 11 Platinum 1200w (Tech Notice)

 

(time stamped at PSU ID)

 

 

Just a trash connector....it really is......