*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

The biggest thing out of all was, 2025+ AM5 support. That's a massive win for AMD again. They will saturate the market a lot again due to that move, that is the only reason why AM4 was super popular and high saturation for the past 2 CPU refreshes since Zen 2+ era

What if AMD does the same as they did for 5000 series processors (let it live 2 years). New realased chips every second year, LOOL

[jaybee83]

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

What if AMD does the same as they did for 5000 series processors (let it live 2 years). New realased chips every second year, LOOL

that would still be minimum 3 gens vs. intel 2 full stop 😛 ill take it! and yes, im referring to the "+" when counting 3 gens at one gen per 2 years...

wallet is ready for the 27th 🤠

[Ashtrix]

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

What if AMD does the same as they did for 5000 series processors (let it live 2 years). New realased chips every second year, LOOL

 

I think AMD is going that way only bro papu. Because if you see their deck the Zen 4 and 4 V-Cache are in a same cycle window, I think AMD will refresh 7000X3D maybe next year end, this round perhaps add the Tuning and improve it I guess because for me it's useless if it's a locked down SKU.  But you know AMD is anyways not tuning friendly at all..so many will gobble it  up.

 

Then in 2024 launch Zen 5 then Zen 5X3D in 2025, at that point Zen 6 might not get released on AM5 or maybe they will since they say it's "2025+" if they do Zen 6 on AM5 also then Intel will have 5 CPUs (Alder, Raptor, Meteor, Lunar, Nova) in all these years with 2-3 sockets variations vs AMD having one single socket. AMD will probably do a mobo refresh sometime in 2024 probably (see below why) So basically AMD uses X3D to combat Intel's 2nd socket release a.k.a Tock refresh, that is probably one strategy we can observe or guess here from AMD.

 

To be really honest, I'm fine with 2 year releases for CPUs just like AMD and Nvidia GPUs refresh cycles we have. 1 year release like Smartphones is really annoying because too much hassle of BIOS, Boards and Software quality and etc and new prices...plus a lot of waste of perfectly functional components. On Smartphone junk it's like they will die due to poor performance, battery and OS lot of nonsense but on desktop side we have Sandy Bridge CPUs in use and keeping up with workloads and old decommissioned XEON processors for Homelab and etc.  Intel should have got LGA1700 to get Meteor Lake too, but they did not and stuck to their same old method of 2Yr cycle, it's a really negative anti consumer move from Intel despite AM4 market saturation and now AM5, this will definitely result in loss of marketshare for Intel because tons of people will simply stick to old mobo and upgrade on AMD side just like AM4.

 

The major aspect which AMD did not confirm is PCH link speed for these X670 / B650 class boards. TechPowerUp's old article from Computex Motherboards for AM5 mentioned that PCH link is 4.0x4 only, not 5.0x4 which is actual speed from Zen 4 CPU. I think AMD might refresh motherboards in 2024 with Zen 5 launch and give PCH link speed of 5.0x4 with PCIe switches on the motherboard.

 

The only reason I bring this Mobo PCH is with new boards from Intel and AMD we have more PCIe SSD options like 5x NVMe, so the moar SSDs we add the bandwidth consumption for all parallel workloads will saturate the bus or cut off other I/O like Z590 Extreme has 5 NVMe but the moment we plug all we lost 4 SATA ports from 6, and lose the PCIe slot x4 length which is already at x2 speed. Intel's Alder Lake PCH for Z690 is having wider with PCIe 4.0x8 so we do not have to compromise anything this is a significant win for Intel if AMD is kinda castrating the PCH. We had PCIe3.0 saturation on all CPUs until Comet Lake. For AMD until Zen 2 (2000 series). But you know majority of them do not really care all they want is "GAMING".

[jaybee83]

5 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

 

I think AMD is going that way only bro papu. Because if you see their deck the Zen 4 and 4 V-Cache are in a same cycle window, I think AMD will refresh X3D maybe next year end, this round perhaps add the Tuning and improve it I guess ?  Then in 2024 launch Zen 5 and 5D in 2025 or 2026, at that point Zen 6 might not get released on AM5 or maybe they will since they say it's "2025+" if they do Zen 6 on AM5 also then Intel will have 5 CPUs (Alder, Raptor, Meteor, Lunar, Nova) in all these years with 2-3 sockets variations vs AMD having one single socket. AMD will probably do a mobo refresh sometime in 2024 probably (see below why)

 

To be really honest, I'm fine with 2 year releases for CPUs just like AMD and Nvidia GPUs refresh cycles we have. 1 year release like Smartphones is really annoying because too much hassle of BIOS, Boards and Software quality and etc and new prices...plus a lot of waste of perfectly functional components. On Smartphone junk it's like they will die due to poor performance, battery and OS lot of nonsense but on desktop side we have Sandy Bridge CPUs in use and keeping up with workloads and old decommissioned XEON processors for Homelab and etc.  Intel should have got LGA1700 to get Meteor Lake too, but they did not and stuck to their same old method of 2Yr cycle, it's a really negative anti consumer move from Intel despite AM4 market saturation and now AM5, this will definitely result in loss of marketshare for Intel because tons of people will simply stick to old mobo and upgrade on AMD side just like AM4.

 

The major aspect which AMD did not confirm is PCH link speed for these X670 / B650 class boards. TechPowerUp's old article from Computex Motherboards for AM5 mentioned that PCH link is 4.0x4 only, not 5.0x4 which is actual speed from CPU. I think AMD might refresh motherboards in 2024 with Zen 5 launch and give PCH link speed of 5.0x4 with PCIe switches on the motherboard.

 

The only reason I bring this Mobo PCH is with new boards from Intel and AMD we have more PCIe SSD options like 5x NVMe, so the moar SSDs we add the bandwidth consumption for all parallel workloads will saturate the bus or cut off other I/O like Z590 Extreme has 5 NVMe but the moment we plug all we lost 4 SATA ports from 6, and lose the PCIe slot x4 length which is already at x2 speed. Intel's Alder Lake PCH for Z690 is having wider with PCIe 4.0x8 so we do not have to compromise anything this is a significant win for Intel if AMD is kinda castrating the PCH. We had PCIe3.0 saturation on all CPUs until Comet Lake. For AMD until Zen 2 (2000 series). But you know majority of them do not really care all they want is "GAMING".

 

oh boy, u really think AMD would leave PCH/CPU link at pcie 4.0? cant imagine that, especially not on X670E mobos that provide 2 chips in order to have enough pcie 5.0 lanes available for gpus as well as I/O. thanks for the headsup though, something to look out for! during the upcoming reviews!

[Ashtrix]

32 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

oh boy, u really think AMD would leave PCH/CPU link at pcie 4.0? cant imagine that, especially not on X670E mobos that provide 2 chips in order to have enough pcie 5.0 lanes available for gpus as well as I/O. thanks for the headsup though, something to look out for! during the upcoming reviews!

 

5.0 lanes are available plenty both PCIe x16 slots and PCIe SSD for Zen 4. But the problem is 5.0x4 to 4.0x8 switching is not happening for the Motherboard daisy chain PCH OR PCH is not able to utilize the 5.0 link speed for I/O since most of the controllers might not be ready yet for that PCIe version. So for AMD now with the 5.0 to 4.0 switches being super expensive as probably they are being manufactured, since PCIe5.0 servers do not exist yet, Genoa is year-end and Xeon Sapphire Rapids is delayed to 2023 Q2. No PCIe 5.0 devices either.

 

So ultimately it just boils down to 2 things

Intel DMI PCH speed and lanes -> Comet Lake PCIe3.0x4, Rocket Lake PCIe3.0x8, Alder Lake PCIe4.0x8.

AMD PCH speed and lanes -> Zen 2+ PCIe4.0x4, Zen 3 PCIe4.0x4, Zen 4 PCIe4.0x4 (despite CPU having 5.0x4). I updated my post with TPU link too on the subject. Honestly I think many people really do not care or understand about this PCIe PCH stuff, even for me it took a long time to understand this whole thing esp when we use PCIex16 second slot, more NVMes etc. It's all about bus saturation. No wonder HEDT is dead, nobody really cares anymore everyone simply is fixated on the gaming, which is why Intel is using their big little BS for that, 8P fixed until 2025 just because gaming also BGA biglittle is super high profits.

 

I think they should have gone with more lanes than 5.0 link speed probably their IOD cannot do a non uniform PCIe link like Intel's DMI which is able to do both 3.0 and 4.0 for RKL and for ADL both 5.0 and 4.0 and it's better for them to get CPU have higher PCIe link speed than mobo since mobo is supporting for AM5 upto 2025+ and if they intro the high PCIe now only what will they sell for Zen 5 apart from some minor changes..

 

 

[Talon]

49 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

So basically AMD uses X3D to combat Intel's 2nd socket release a.k.a Tock refresh, that is probably one strategy we can observe or guess here from AMD.

 

Unless of course Intel themselves do a 3D stack. Intel is going chiplets with Meteor Lake, they have shown 3D stacking tech in the past, so I doubt there is anything stopping them from being able to do the same exact thing. 

[Mr. Fox]

Everything the big tech companies do is deliberately metered and rolled out incrementally as feature enhancements in stages to ensure they have milk left in their digital mammary glands so they can sell us something new later on. They enjoy playing poker with our money and keeping the jackpot and gambling wins for themselves. If they include everything in one release or hardware generation they also can't make as much money as they would holding back things for later, and they will run out of gimmicks that get people excited about wasting their money. They also won't have something in their bags of tricks and nifty gimmicks to deflect the tricks and marketing gimmicks of their similarly clever competitor(s) if they include too much in a single release.

 

It was kind of humorous how Threadripper fans got butt-hurt about AMD breaking their promises on the HEDT socket cross-generation compatibility, while the consumer side of their fan base remains fixated on having a static CPU socket form factor that spans many years. What they often don't realize is that having the ability to install a newer CPUs doesn't necessarily give them everything the newer CPU brings to the table and they still have to buy a new motherboard built using a legacy socket if they want all of the features to work. Depending on what they are hoping to accomplish, the CPU upgrade may not actually be the upgrade they were hoping for. The effect isn't that different than buying a new motherboard with a different CPU socket. The inability to downgrade to an older CPU on a newer motherboard and chipset is probably the greater benefit that gets overlooked.

 

I do really care a lot about PCIe lane count. Moving back to consumer CPUs after being on HEDT for a while was initially difficult. I had to lower my expectations on how much stuff I could have running on PCIe. I didn't have issues running a dual NVMe PCIe card dropping my GPU from 16x to 8x or 4x, etc. It was nice having more PCIe lanes available than what I needed to do whatever I wanted to do. Most consumers and gamers don't find this limitation to be relevant and the reduction in function doesn't affect them based on their use scenario.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Ashtrix said:

I think AMD is going that way only bro papu. Because if you see their deck the Zen 4 and 4 V-Cache are in a same cycle window, I think AMD will refresh 7000X3D maybe next year end, this round perhaps add the Tuning and improve it I guess because for me it's useless if it's a locked down SKU.  But you know AMD is anyways not tuning friendly at all..so many will gobble it  up.

The lack of 7800X in Zen 4 release smells ugly. Amd could do same as they did for 5800X3D. Only release an 7800X3D for 2023 and scrap the refreshes for the rest of the line. Maybe AMD will wait for Meteor lake. Some say Intel won't release it before 2024. But this is only rumors. If AMD go for a refresh it will be X3D stcked refreshes. Not real upgrades. And they are in the mercy of what TSMC will offer them. Both nvidia and Intel have a big foot within TSMC foundry now. Same also for Apple who always go for the newest nodes (their biggest customer).

[Talon]

@Mr. Fox How is the Dark Z690? I haven't pulled the trigger yet but I'm tempted to grab it while it's still on a good sale. I don't want to pay full price for a Z790 unless some substantial gains are to be had in the memory OC department or some other features. Wish we had more details about Z790. 

 

If anyone is looking for decently priced SK Hynix DDR5 6400 CL32 kit, I got these a couple days ago and having no issues running them on a 4 dimm Asrock board with a crappy IMC 12600K at XMP. These should also work great on upcoming AM5 boards. 

 

https://shop.kingston.com/products/renegade-silver-ddr5-desktop-memory?variant=43012518117568

 

I grabbed them for $237 and free shipping after a 10% discount code. WELCOME10 gave me 10% off on the order. Best price I've seen on 6400 CL32 SK Hynix kit unless you need RGBs. They have those too for like $10 more. 

 

[Ashtrix]

3 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Unless of course Intel themselves do a 3D stack. Intel is going chiplets with Meteor Lake, they have shown 3D stacking tech in the past, so I doubt there is anything stopping them from being able to do the same exact thing. 

 

Intel actually had this done years ago, AMD is wayy late. Intel 5775C i7 Broadwell had eDRAM on the die as L4, 4980HQ Apple exclusive Crystalwell processors also same thing, I remember @Recievertrying hard to get that running on an rPGA interposer for the Alienware 17 and other rPGA Haswell sockets but the BIOS won't boot on the Alienware 17.

 

Anandtech even published a solid review of i7 5775C in 2020, bonus is Intel i7 Overclocks too with better DRAM. But AMD's Stack solution does no. Look at benches it manages to go with 10th gen in Gaming performance. Intel should have done that tech on all CPUs but they did not probably because more money and pins required, esp when they want to screw all the Intel owners for LGA15xx Z170 -> Z390 only P870DM was able to get it fully working proper from all the way from i7 6600K to i9 9900K beast.

 

I think for Intel to do exact same now like AMD stack it will take time because AMD's solution is TSMC Cowos 3D stack technology with partnership. Intel doesn't use this stacking methodology and also their MCM is EMIB based and it's not AMD like Chiplet, Intel's tech is far more complex and expensive to manufacture. Which is probably one of the reason Sapphire Rapids Xeon server is delayed and this is Generation 1 design from Intel which probably needs more time to mature.

 

  

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

The lack of 7800X in Zen 4 release smells ugly. Amd could do same as they did for 5800X3D. Only release an 7800X3D for 2023 and scrap the refreshes for the rest of the line. Maybe AMD will wait for Meteor lake. Some say Intel won't release it before 2024. But this is only rumors. If AMD go for a refresh it will be X3D stcked refreshes. Not real upgrades. And they are in the mercy of what TSMC will offer them. Both nvidia and Intel have a big foot within TSMC foundry now. Same also for Apple who always go for the newest nodes (their biggest customer).

 

Yeah 7800X is 100% going to be X3D release there's no doubt, I think AMD wanted to avoid 5800X like mess, that chip was not much loved over like 5600X and the 5900X as it was very high cost. So they avoided it and released 7700X now only instead of 5700X which they did recently. What I'm guessing is unlike a 1 SKU only, they might do 2 - 7800X3D and 7950X3D. For Intel Meteor Lake it's 8P fixed so AMD might flex with gaming only, look how they are comparing 7600X to 12900K, that's a joke comparison because 12900K leads in MT and not just gaming, but "Gamers" will see that and buy the low end one.

 

As for AMD / Nvidia / TSMC / Intel. Intel got exclusive line for them separated from all others because Intel volume is higher than all these, but for Nvidia and AMD I doubt Nvidia can command high and AMD lower, since AMD has actually propelled TSMC along with Apple since 2017 to make a ton of cash plus exclusive 3D Cowos on EPYC 3D Stack processors that is 100% AMD/TSMC collab project. I believe this round there's not much of 5nm Silicon shortage hassle like Zen 3, my rough guess.

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, Talon said:

@Mr. Fox How is the Dark Z690? I haven't pulled the trigger yet but I'm tempted to grab it while it's still on a good sale. I don't want to pay full price for a Z790 unless some substantial gains are to be had in the memory OC department or some other features. Wish we had more details about Z790. 

 

If anyone is looking for decently priced SK Hynix DDR5 6400 CL32 kit, I got these a couple days ago and having no issues running them on a 4 dimm Asrock board with a crappy IMC 12600K at XMP. These should also work great on upcoming AM5 boards. 

 

https://shop.kingston.com/products/renegade-silver-ddr5-desktop-memory?variant=43012518117568

 

I grabbed them for $237 and free shipping after a 10% discount code. WELCOME10 gave me 10% off on the order. Best price I've seen on 6400 CL32 SK Hynix kit unless you need RGBs. They have those too for like $10 more. 

 

I don't have any benchmark results yet because I have been too busy with other things and the replacement 12900KS is supposed to be delivered today. But, subjectively I love it. As expected, it is an amazing product as every Dark mobo has been compared to the alternatives. The MSI mobo or defective CPU also messed up the replacement memory kit, so I can't do much yet because of that. I am finalizing a product review on a kit of Corsair DDR5 Vengeance RGB but it is Samsung IC and sucks at overclocking. The PMIC is limited to 1.435V (locked in firmware).

 

The replacement TeamGroup Delta that I got from the RMA of the first kit now has one module stuck permanently at 2.100V in both the MSI and EVGA mobo, so something was definitely going haywire with the Unify-X or the CPU. But, now with the messed up 12900KS it is impossible to know whether it was the chicken or the egg that came first. I think I am going to sell the Unify-X and stick with the Strix D4 simply because it has no issues and is fine for a work computer. The enthusiast part of me would prefer to keep the Unify-X rather than the Strix, but I don't want to have to deal with any more nonsense. I think I would be better off not assuming whether or the Unify-X has been the source of the issues rather than taking the risk and finding out the hard way.

 

The better bin of the 12900K and the replacement 12900KS will go into the Dark mobo and the Strix will run the lesser of the two.

 

Good to know on that RAM. I like that it is not RGB. Thanks for sharing the link.

[Papusan]

The added baby cores for Raptor lake will save Intel's day. Or better say... AMD failed offer a real performance enthusiasts product. Remember Raptor lake will only offer 8 real cores vs AMD's 16 cores. The rest of the Intel cores is low clocked baby cores without HT intended for smartphones/tablets. Yep, AMD had no other choices this time than have to reduce profits for their flagship.

 

In Geekbench V5, Intel Raptor Lake i9-13900K with 24 cores and 32 threads is 4.4% faster in single-core and 8.4% faster in multi-core tests than Ryzen 9 7950X. On the other hand, AMD’s new flagship CPU is 31%/47.8% faster than 5950X and 14.5%/41.2% faster than i9-12900K respectively.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-7950x-and-asus-rog-crosshair-x670e-extreme-also-tested-in-geekbench

[Talon]

On 8/30/2022 at 5:23 PM, Papusan said:

The added baby cores for Raptor lake will save Intel's day. Or better say... AMD failed offer a real performance enthusiasts product. Remember Raptor lake will only offer 8 real cores vs AMD's 16 cores. The rest of the Intel cores is low clocked baby cores without HT intended for smartphones/tablets. Yep, AMD had no other choices this time than have to reduce profits for their flagship.

 

In Geekbench V5, Intel Raptor Lake i9-13900K with 24 cores and 32 threads is 4.4% faster in single-core and 8.4% faster in multi-core tests than Ryzen 9 7950X. On the other hand, AMD’s new flagship CPU is 31%/47.8% faster than 5950X and 14.5%/41.2% faster than i9-12900K respectively.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-7950x-and-asus-rog-crosshair-x670e-extreme-also-tested-in-geekbench

 

Yes they will. The refined 10nm that allows for high clocks like AMD and the cache improvements. 

 

https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/16997007

 

This is my terrible 12600K at 5ghz/3.9ghz E cores. Destroys the 7600x in multi and not terribly far behind in single. A 13600K with much higher clocks and double E cores is not even going to be close for AMD at the price points. 

 

Edit: Update my score. 

[Mr. Fox]

20 hours ago, Talon said:

@Mr. Fox How is the Dark Z690?

 

15 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I don't have any benchmark results yet because I have been too busy with other things and the replacement 12900KS is supposed to be delivered today.

Well, it sucks that the first one failed, and even more so that I was honest to Intel and they're not taking care of business. So, this time around I bought an Allstate warranty that includes accidental damage since Intel and AMD are determined to not stand behind the products they sell.

 

The replacement 12900KS SP ratings are significantly better, so this might be the silver lining to the dark cloud. 

[jaybee83]

7 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Yes they will. The refined 10nm that allows for high clocks like AMD and the cache improvements. 

 

https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/16976623

 

This is my terrible 12600K at 5ghz/4ghz E cores. Destroys the 7600x in multi and not terribly far behind in single. A 13600K with much higher clocks and double E cores is not even going to be close for AMD at the price points. 

 

yeah its weird that AMD chose to lower their pricing on the higher tear 7950X but go higher price with the 7600X. seems counter-intuitive, but ill wait and see what the reviews say when raptor lake comes out. doesnt mean ill wait with the purchase though, AM5 makes more sense for me personally 😁

[cylix]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

yeah its weird that AMD chose to lower their pricing on the higher tear 7950X but go higher price with the 7600X. seems counter-intuitive, but ill wait and see what the reviews say when raptor lake comes out. doesnt mean ill wait with the purchase though, AM5 makes more sense for me personally 😁

Yes for me aswell, will be my first desktop in 10+ years :D. Which cpu will you get? I think the 7900x is my choice and maybe change it next year with the 7800x3d

[jaybee83]

2 minutes ago, cylix said:

Yes for me aswell, will be my first desktop in 10+ years :D. Which cpu will you get? I think the 7900x is my choice and maybe change it next year with the 7800x3d

i feel ya brother! first desktop system in 15 years! been saving up for almost 3 years now, so im going all out with the 7950x 😛 if theres gonna be an X3D version of that ill switch right away, few months timeframe is just not long enough for me to be acceptable 😄 also aiming for a 4090 later in Oct/Nov, although im VERY curious to see what AMD has to offer with RDNA3, i have a feeling they will be even more competitive than with RDNA2.

[cylix]

8 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

i feel ya brother! first desktop system in 15 years! been saving up for almost 3 years now, so im going all out with the 7950x 😛 if theres gonna be an X3D version of that ill switch right away, few months timeframe is just not long enough for me to be acceptable 😄 also aiming for a 4090 later in Oct/Nov, although im VERY curious to see what AMD has to offer with RDNA3, i have a feeling they will be even more competitive than with RDNA2.

 

Haha, nice my man, yeah it will depend on the budget, my second kid is coming late October to the world so ill be a little strap but if the money is there il get the 7950x aswell, well see. GPU im still undecided aswell, i think RDNA 3 will provide a major boost over the current gen, if the ray tracing will be good as the 30x0 series or more think im gonna be Team red 100%. 4090 will be a monster but im afraid of the power will consume.

[jaybee83]

5 minutes ago, cylix said:

 

Haha, nice my man, yeah it will depend on the budget, my second kid is coming late October to the world so ill be a little strap but if the money is there il get the 7950x aswell, well see. GPU im still undecided aswell, i think RDNA 3 will provide a major boost over the current gen, if the ray tracing will be good as the 30x0 series or more think im gonna be Team red 100%. 4090 will be a monster but im afraid of the power will consume.

completely agreed on all points. gotta set your priorities straight with a kid coming up (but also gotta scratch that itch hahaha 🤠) im expecting RDNA3 to follow the same "philosophy" as the CPU side, meaning they will likely get beaten by Nvidia by single-digit percentages (as potentially 13900K vs. 7950X) but at far far FAR less power consumption.

as for why im going with the 4090, larger vRAM (expected) and earlier availability. for power consumption ill be set with a Seasonic TX-1600, hope thats enough for that monster card 🤣😅☠️

[electrosoft]

12 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Well, it sucks that the first one failed, and even more so that I was honest to Intel and they're not taking care of business. So, this time around I bought an Allstate warranty that includes accidental damage since Intel and AMD are determined to not stand behind the products they sell.

 

The replacement 12900KS SP ratings are significantly better, so this might be the silver lining to the dark cloud. 

 

 

The blessing in this is the replacement is better than the original. Better P and E cores but still doesn't take the sting of dropping another $600-700 on a CPU. 😞

 

 

[tps3443]

Building another system for the living room, I couldn’t resist the $279.99 USD for a brand new retail packaged 11900K on Amazon. 
 

I’m planning to build a small Mini ITX media type machine. Primarily for games, movies, and streaming and it will primarily only use an Xbox controller. I’m going to throw in a 3050, or maybe a older generation equivalent GPU. I was thinking a Titan X (Pascal), for the money it’s really really fast. Or maybe a RTX2080. These all kind of hover around the $300+ dollar price point. 
 

I’m excited to get a gaming machine in the living room area though. It’ll be much much better than the Xbox One X. And with how well the Microsoft Xbox Game pass is integrated in to Windows 11, it’ll be an excellent machine. 

 

 

 

[Reciever]

@tps3443

 

Please avoid double/triple posting, use the edit function to add additional content. 

 

I try to keep it lax in here but posting again after merging the last double post is a bit much lol 

[tps3443]

13 minutes ago, Reciever said:

@tps3443

 

Please avoid double/triple posting, use the edit function to add additional content. 

 

I try to keep it lax in here but posting again after merging the last double post is a bit much lol 

I’m not sure why it is doing that. I was posting a new thread, and it was merging in to my old post. 

[Reciever]

2 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I’m not sure why it is doing that. I was posting a new thread, and it was merging in to my old post. 

No worries, just a friendly reminder 

[ryan]

@Recieverare you a ninja mod?lol just kidding but your emoji made me think that...pretty tight ship your running!! great job... I have the bad habit of triple posting also..I think its ok if the posts are unrelated.

 

Im thinking of a gaming desktop, can't decide between 2080ti and 3080ti. all I want to accomplish is 18k timespy and 4k/120 gaming on older titles. anyone here have a 2080ti? kinda dumb question as you guys are in the elite class of benchmarkers.