*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

See my comment below.

This doesn't cover everything bro Fox. This... Apply them all. None of the AIC partners put much work into binning or be sure they use the best parts for their flagship/enthusiast products. If they did.... You would never see this below from their enthusiast product. And they all do the same thing... Put all works into the estetic and design. Make a very good cooler can hide away the worst silicon quality. 

 

Testing notes & interpretation for Gaming X Trio

 

The cheaper Gaming X Trio 4090 cards use 18+4-phase design. The new modern with more expensive High end Phase/VRM design for the enhusiasts products have no longer a special value outside offering good longevity. This only add more costs who normally isn't needed with the power gimped and castrated voltage/TGP design from Nvidia or AMD. I'm sure 18+4-phase design would work well with the higher TGP limits as the flagship models if the cooling is adequate.

 

You go the opposite route of the gamer-kids bro Etern. Maybe you are starting to get old and dusty?😎

 

 

 

 

 

28 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Hopefully they will give me a refund and I can either buy nothing or just get the cheapest 4090 available. Based on most of the information available, the standard $1500-1600 4090 Zotac, MSI Trio and PNY options are so close in performance to the most expensive options available, and maximum overclock limits are within such a small margin that it makes no sense to spend more for something better that isn't actually better. I doubt the chilled water cooling would change anything for the better on the memory. The Strix actually runs cooler on the memory than the Liquid X did. (The Liquid X AIO cooling is only useful on the core. The memory and hotspot temps were higher due to the flawed AIO design. This is also true of memory temperatures on other GPUs that use an AIO due to flawed AIO design in general, not an MSI flaw.)

 

The only likely benefit of the chilled water would be higher boost clock due to lower core temperature.

 

Edit: Looks like poor memory overclocking is an inherent shortcoming for the Strix 4090. I don't know if it is a coincidence or a design flaw on the part of ASUS. 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4090-strix-oc/41.html

 

 

It is literally a crap shoot on the memory and GPU. No company it seems truly bins for higher quality samples on either.

 

What you CAN control is the PCB design they are placed upon and the cooling included (which means nothing if you're going to block it).

 

You literally have to bin cards like you bin GPUs and that's sad.

 

Wish a company would properly bin GPUs and offer the top tier chips in cards as guaranteeing certain performance parameters.

 

Didn't @Talon get a  Strix 4090 that could hit +2000 on the mem?

 

 

[Papusan]

46 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Hopefully they will give me a refund and I can either buy nothing or just get the cheapest 4090 available. Based on most of the information available, the standard $1500-1600 4090 Zotac, MSI Trio and PNY options are so close in performance to the most expensive options available, and maximum overclock limits are within such a small margin that it makes no sense to spend more for something better that isn't actually better. I doubt the chilled water cooling would change anything for the better on the memory. The Strix actually runs cooler on the memory than the Liquid X did. (The Liquid X AIO cooling is only useful on the core. The memory and hotspot temps were higher due to the flawed AIO design. This is also true of memory temperatures on other GPUs that use an AIO due to flawed AIO design in general, not an MSI flaw.)

 

The only likely benefit of the chilled water would be higher boost clock due to lower core temperature.

 

Edit: Looks like poor memory overclocking is an inherent shortcoming for the Strix 4090. I don't know if it is a coincidence or a design flaw on the part of ASUS. 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4090-strix-oc/41.html

 

Remember vram in same way as ssd nand don't like the cold. Opimal temps should be around 60-65C. See how the vram perfom cold vs warmer. 

[tps3443]

14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

^^^Better product^^^

I spoke too soon. Crappy silicon for an extra $200. Thanks, ASUS. Should have waited for another Suprim X. I hope it dies under warranty so I can try my luck in the silicon lottery over again. Memory maxes out between +1350 and +1400. Suprim X had no issues with +1600.  I can't match any of my Suprim X 3DMark scores, so it is as worthless to me as tits on a boar.

 

Left a pretty ugly 3-egg review for ASUS. My fault for choosing ASUS... again. 

 

 

That’s terrible. I remember hearing some 4090’s sensitive to cold memory. (That seems kinda stupid to me) anyways, I’ve started testing the memory on my 3090KP again. I’ve got +1,800 stable so far I’m games. 

[Papusan]

Bro Fox. I have removed what I mean is less important. For me. 6-0 or it could be 5-0, 4-0 or even 1-0 if I remeoved more of the less important things. AMD will anyway get 0 points. Is 0 less than nothing? Or is nothing less than 0 ?😎

 

 

Intel vs AMD: Which CPUs Are Better in 2023? tomshardware.com
https://www.tomshardware.com/features/amd-vs-intel-cpus

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Didn't @Talon get a  Strix 4090 that could hit +2000 on the mem?

I do not remember. He may have.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Remember vram in same way as ssd nand don't like the cold. Opimal temps should be around 60-65C. See how the vram perfom cold vs warmer. 

Temps are in that range. The memory ran 10-15°C warmer on the Liquid X because the cooling of the memory was passive rather than active.

[Papusan]

GTX 760 in 3DMark 05 🙂

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5212948_papusan_3dmark05_geforce_gtx_760_(256bit)_93473_marks?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5213013_papusan_3dmark2001_se_geforce_gtx_760_(256bit)_185354_marks?recalculate=true

 

[tps3443]

Getting back in to squeezing everything out of this 3090KP HC, I have my GDDR6X at +1900. 😀

 

23,302gbps 

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

That’s terrible. I remember hearing some 4090’s sensitive to cold memory. (That seems kinda stupid to me) anyways, I’ve started testing the memory on my 3090KP again. I’ve got +1,800 stable so far I’m games. 

Just hide your posts, you have the ability to do so.

[Mr. Fox]

I've never heard of this before. Have you guys? https://www.basemark.com/benchmarks/gpuscore/relic-of-life/

 

3090 KPE Stock

4090 Stock

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Bright Memory: Infinite RTX Benchmark

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3090 KPE Stock

4090 Stock

[Papusan]

AMD HD7970🙂 And once again I ran into Oviz territory😎 So I don't need the new and shiny to have some fun😁

 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5213121_papusan_aquamark_radeon_hd_7970_581528_marks?recalculate=true

[cylix]

Why would you use LM on a WB 4090 to begin with🤔😅

 

[Etern4l]

38 minutes ago, cylix said:

Why would you use LM on a WB 4090 to begin with🤔😅

 

 

LOL, what a mess.. Psst... P...T...M...7.... 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, cylix said:

Why would you use LM on a WB 4090 to begin with🤔😅

 

If a spill like that happened to me, I’d dump alcohol all over the card and just blow it off. The cold alcohol will harden all of the LM and it all just pretty much falls off without painting or sticking to the PCB or components. 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

LOL, what a mess.. Psst... P...T...M...7.... 

OK. I have to ask... PTM7? I know that as a Weller soldering iron tip, but I suspect that is not what you are referring to based on the ellipis between the digits.

[Etern4l]

21 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

OK. I have to ask... PTM7? I know that as a Weller soldering iron tip, but I suspect that is not what you are referring to based on the ellipis between the digits.

 

PTM7950, i.e. the "Honeywell" industrial-grade phase-change TIM. It's been incredible for me so far (almost 2 weeks, which is a period during which most other top pastes significantly degraded or failed on my system).

[Mr. Fox]

7 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

PTM7950, i.e. the "Honeywell" industrial-grade phase-change TIM. It's been incredible for me so far (almost 2 weeks, which is a period during which most other top pastes significantly degraded or failed on my system).

Nice. You are using it on your GPU? Temps are the same or better than something like KPX or Kryosnaut? Did you have to order the PTM7950 from China, or did you find a "normal" channel to purchase?

[Etern4l]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nice. You are using it on your GPU? Temps are the same or better than something like KPX or Kryosnaut? Did you have to order the PTM7950 from China, or did you find a "normal" channel to purchase?

 

Good question. I have only used it on the CPU so far. I don't really have a major GPU temp issue (around 60C). It would indeed be interesting to see how this material performs on a cooler surface such as GPU. I can confirm it works extremely well with sustained loads at 80C plus. Bear in mind that despite being called a pad, it's extremely thin (0.25mm I believe) and in fact a bit tricky to apply, so not really suitable for use outside of CPU/GPU cooling (PCH/SSD perhaps). Repeating a promising tip from bro @cylix for the record: apparently it's helpful to put the pad in the fridge for a while before application, otherwise it bends/kinks/rips rather easily.

 

I got the first 80x40mm sheet from a local scalper on eBay (good for 2 LGA1700 applications, I ruined the first half while trying to peel off the top-side plastic). He actually sent me a generic 7950 pad despite advertising Honeywell, works great though. I ordered another one via eBay, but that still hasn't arrived. I should get around to getting one more and perhaps the paste from ebuy7, although feeling no pressure given how well the system is performing.

 

There was a brief (several bench/cooldown cycles) "curing" period, it was mesmerizing to observe the power draw slowly go up from initially unimpressive levels to - in my case - record, before my very eyes during the first few CB23 runs. 

[ryan]

cpu was super low for whatever reason and gpu for whatever reason not normal was holding 2100mhz no idea why old games and benchmarks hold clocks whereas new benchmarks games flux you ate

[Etern4l]

14 minutes ago, ryan said:

cpu was super low for whatever reason and gpu for whatever reason not normal was holding 2100mhz no idea why old games and benchmarks hold clocks whereas new benchmarks games flux you ate

 

Your mem oc looks pretty conservative. Is that as far as your 3060 goes? 

[johnksss]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

If a spill like that happened to me, I’d dump alcohol all over the card and just blow it off. The cold alcohol will harden all of the LM and it all just pretty much falls off without painting or sticking to the PCB or components. 

Problem is... He already put the card back together and ran the card.

[ryan]

double post by accident

[ryan]

19 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Your mem oc looks pretty conservative. Is that as far as your 3060 goes? 

basically a dud. I run it at 80 plus and after 150mhz overclock I get artifacts....funny seeing you guys complain about 1800 plus

[Reciever]

@ryan

 

Hide your post. Editing in that its a double posts does not dissuade from the fact it creates more work for me.

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

basically a dud. I run it at 80 plus and after 150mhz overclock I get artifacts....funny seeing you guys complain about 1800 plus

 

Yeah, that's another advantage of desktop cards - the memory is much more overclockable (in addition to having higher baseline bandwidth). My 2060 Max-Q only goes to +400, maybe +500 stable, whereas with desktop cards you are talking over +1000. 

[Papusan]

Intel has a small time window now before Nvidia and AMD start flooding the market with the next generation of low/mid end graphics cards. But not so sure the deals presented here are good enough. What do you think bro @electrosoft? And how will this pan out for Intel and retail once the lower tier cards from AMD/Nvidia is out and in the shops? 

 

Excl tax is what you need to compare U.S prices with (1 USD = 0.948047 EUR). 

 

Intel floods European market with Arc A750 GPUs, French dealer has 1233 cards in stock
https://www.igorslab.de/en/intel-floods-european-market-with-arc-a750-gpus-french-dealer-has-1233-in-stock/