*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

9 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Going to have to work on that picture posting. I forgot I changed the size for my EVGA warranty request.

 

No, no damage. Just showing the aftermath before the clean up.

And yes, 50/50 antifreeze. Same as in my car.

They say these boards are suppose to detect water and shut off and not power back on.  suspect that is what happen this time as I tried to power it back on before removing all heat sinks and I got nothing, but the led lights. So after detailing the board I thought I would test it one more time and it powered on. I was quite surprised so shut down really quick as I did not have a heat sink on. And now it seem to be up and running.

Humm, I cant seem to get the pictures to zoom.

 

Trying again.

Yes, that is great news. I have been running the 50/50 automotive antifreeze for a while and it seems to be good for me, too.

I have noticed on this and several other forums that uploading an image to the forum servers causes it to be downsized and will not zoom to the original image size. So, when being able to view details is important I upload them to imgur and use the tags img and /img enclosed in brackets with a direct link to the full sized image so that it will zoom to the original size. 

[johnksss]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, that is great news. I have been running the 50/50 automotive antifreeze for a while and it seems to be good for me, too.

I have noticed on this and several other forums that uploading an image to the forum servers causes it to be downsized and will not zoom to the original image size. So, when being able to view details is important I upload them to imgur and use the tags img and /img enclosed in brackets with a direct link to the full sized image so that it will zoom to the original size. 

I have been using it for a long time. I had swapped it out when I was at your house as to not contaminate your gpu or gpu loop.

 

Ah, got it!

next up....I don't see how to do the the rep. It let me do it the first day, but now I don't see it for me.

 

Edit: Got it.

[johnksss]

[Custom90gt]

Ugh, why didn't I pick up a known Hynix kit, lol.  I can't justify the 6400s though, although I would love to, same with the Maximus board.

[Mr. Fox]

30 minutes ago, johnksss said:

That is getting very close to X299 quad channel memory performance. Nice!

What sticks are those?

[johnksss]

51 minutes ago, Custom90gt said:

Ugh, why didn't I pick up a known Hynix kit, lol.  I can't justify the 6400s though, although I would love to, same with the Maximus board.

Well these 6400's are suspect on this board. So there is always that.😄

And I have a new found relationship with Asus after it recovered being half submerged in antifreeze.🙂

25 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is getting very close to X299 quad channel memory performance. Nice!

What sticks are those?

These are the G.Skill Trident Z5 6400Mhz.

 

Still trying to understand how these guys are getting these things super stable though.😄

[Talon]

22 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Well these 6400's are suspect on this board. So there is always that.😄

And I have a new found relationship with Asus after it recovered being half submerged in antifreeze.🙂

These are the G.Skill Trident Z5 6400Mhz.

 

Still trying to understand how these guys are getting these things super stable though.😄

Stock XMP I with TREFI at 65535 and turn around training enabled. 

Tested stable for 8000% coverage so far. 

When I go to 6600 I am still trying to figure out stable voltages. I also have a small fan blowing directly over my sticks. 

I have the Corsair 6200 CL36 1.3v kit that came in the mail the other day but still have not had time to test it. It's also SK Hynix so curious how those will work out compared to these GSkill SK Hynix. 

[Custom90gt]

@johnksss

some good info on stability can be found here:

https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-intel-ddr5-oc-and-24-7-daily-memory-stability-thread.1794772/

Lots of guys getting their 6400s up and running there.

[Papusan]

15 hours ago, Papusan said:

Thanks Fox. I have lokked at Asus driver download page. I'm now on Win 10 LTSC 2021 for testing. Will install 2019 LTSC when I get the ssd's I need. 

What drivers do you use? INF drivers and clean and no bloat IMEI from Win-Raid? And what of them are needed from the Asus download page? I know you have EVGA but I expect it will be the same for me and Asus. 

As well what is the latest stable firmware for Asus Z690 boards (Apex). I think about latest bios before Intel's screw up and forced the OEM to removed AVX512 support. I mean MSI have relesed a new Beta bios who still have AVX512 support. Not sure if Asus will do the same.

@electrosoft @Talon @johnksss 

 

I say yes thanks for all valuable info. Again, Thanks 🙂

Lack of time. And not fully tuned. Need time on a new platform. Flashed bios to 811 and the SP rating didn't change. Better it never dropped than become the same🙂 Not sure if the normal SP will decrease or increas or is stable with newer bios. I expect Asus have tuned the algo with newer bios version.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4924215_papusan_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_i9_12900k_29398_cb

https://hwbot.org/submission/4924207_papusan_cinebench___r20_with_benchmate_core_i9_12900k_11245_cb

https://hwbot.org/submission/4924206_papusan_cinebench___r15_with_benchmate_core_i9_12900k_4401_cb

 

[Talon]

17 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Lack of time. And not fully tuned. Need time on a new platform. Flashed bios to 811 and the SP rating didn't change. Better it never dropped than become the same🙂 Not sure if the normal SP will decrease or increas or is stable with newer bios. I expect Asus have tuned the algo with newer bios version.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4924215_papusan_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_i9_12900k_29398_cb

https://hwbot.org/submission/4924207_papusan_cinebench___r20_with_benchmate_core_i9_12900k_11245_cb

https://hwbot.org/submission/4924206_papusan_cinebench___r15_with_benchmate_core_i9_12900k_4401_cb

 

Nice!! Not using XMP yet? 

[Mr. Fox]

Has anyone see what benchmark scores look like for Z690 / 12900K with a mobo that accepts DDR4 memory? I am curious to what degree DDR5 is actually moving the needle on performance at this early point in its development. It is hard to get used to looking at such high memory timings and think of them as being good or normal.

[Mr. Fox]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Has anyone see what benchmark scores look like for Z690 / 12900K with a mobo that accepts DDR4 memory? I am curious to what degree DDR5 is actually moving the needle on performance at this early point in its development. It is hard to get used to looking at such high memory timings and think of them as being good or normal.

Interesting... It's too bad they don't sell any enthusiast-grade Z690 boards that use DDR4. That would make upgrading more attractive at this point. It kind of begs the question at this point "what are they really selling" and whether or not DDR5 is the computer equivalent of snake oil. It looks like the memory clocks need to be a whole lot higher than they currently are before it will represent anything meaningful in terms of performance progress.

[Custom90gt]

Yeah sadly there isn't much to gain from DDR4 to DDR5.  I only went there because my previous gigabyte board sucked at overclocking my known good b-die memory and there weren't any good DDR4 options.  Well that and I like the idea of trying new stuff.  Sadly AIDA64 benchmarks don't really correspond to real world differences.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

15 minutes ago, Custom90gt said:

Yeah sadly there isn't much to gain from DDR4 to DDR5.  I only went there because my previous gigabyte board sucked at overclocking my known good b-die memory and there weren't any good DDR4 options.  Well that and I like the idea of trying new stuff.  Sadly AIDA64 benchmarks don't really correspond to real world differences.

 

 

I used up my quota of rep for the day already, so 👍.

It wouldn't be so bad if the price was roughly the same and you didn't have to pay a lot more for essentially the same performance. But having to pay a whole lot more when you don't actually benefit from it kind of sucks.

I guess in a way it kind of makes sense because if they made high-end enthusiast motherboards that used DDR4 they would probably have a really hard time getting DDR5 adoption off the launch pad. Nobody would be willing to pay extra for it to only get the new CPU and motherboard if they were not forced into it. But it still feels kind of shady since you're spending a lot not getting much.

[Custom90gt]

Yeah, it reminds me of when DDR4 was first released.  The difference between DDR3 and DDR4 wasn't huge at the time and it was hard to justify.  I figure things will get better in the DDR5 world, but probably not with the sticks I have, lol.

[Rage Set]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I used up my quota of rep for the day already, so 👍.

It wouldn't be so bad if the price was roughly the same and you didn't have to pay a lot more for essentially the same performance. But having to pay a whole lot more when you don't actually benefit from it kind of sucks.

I guess in a way it kind of makes sense because if they made high-end enthusiast motherboards that used DDR4 they would probably have a really hard time getting DDR5 adoption off the launch pad. Nobody would be willing to pay extra for it to only get the new CPU and motherboard if they were not forced into it. But it still feels kind of shady since you're spending a lot not getting much.

 

While it is far from high-end, the Strix Z690-H D4 is decent. I got 4000MT's with my 4800 rated DDR4 sticks at CL16 CR1 without any trouble on this board. Those sticks can be pushed much harder but I haven't tried tighter timings yet.

[Rage Set]

 

Both sets are finally here. G.Skill 6400 CL32 vs Corsair 6200 CL32. Great chance they will perform the same. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 minute ago, Rage Set said:

 

While it is far from high-end, the Strix Z690-H D4 is decent. I got 4000MT's with my 4800 rated DDR4 sticks at CL16 CR1 without any trouble on this board. Those sticks can be pushed much harder but I haven't tried tighter timings yet.

👍

Yes, I have to admit that my Strix Z490-H is actually pretty decent as well. As long as I don't push the CPU crazy high on the clocks/voltage and overload the VRMs it does a wonderful job. I run it at 5.3GHz on all cores with the RAM at 4400 CL16 all day for work and it never misses a beat.

[Talon]

12 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

Both sets are finally here. G.Skill 6400 CL32 vs Corsair 6200 CL32. Great chance they will perform the same. 

Have both of the same sets myself lol. I haven't even bothered to try out the 6200 Corsair kit yet. Maybe I'll plug them in tonight and give them a go. 

[johnksss]

2 hours ago, Custom90gt said:

@johnksss

some good info on stability can be found here:

https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-intel-ddr5-oc-and-24-7-daily-memory-stability-thread.1794772/

Lots of guys getting their 6400s up and running there.

Yes, I have been reading through that thread. Lots of good info over there.

2 hours ago, Talon said:

Stock XMP I with TREFI at 65535 and turn around training enabled. 

Tested stable for 8000% coverage so far. 

When I go to 6600 I am still trying to figure out stable voltages. I also have a small fan blowing directly over my sticks. 

I have the Corsair 6200 CL36 1.3v kit that came in the mail the other day but still have not had time to test it. It's also SK Hynix so curious how those will work out compared to these GSkill SK Hynix. 

How do you get that software?

[Normimb]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Lack of time. And not fully tuned. Need time on a new platform. Flashed bios to 811 and the SP rating didn't change. Better it never dropped than become the same🙂 Not sure if the normal SP will decrease or increas or is stable with newer bios. I expect Asus have tuned the algo with newer bios version.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4924215_papusan_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_i9_12900k_29398_cb

https://hwbot.org/submission/4924207_papusan_cinebench___r20_with_benchmate_core_i9_12900k_11245_cb

https://hwbot.org/submission/4924206_papusan_cinebench___r15_with_benchmate_core_i9_12900k_4401_cb

 

AMAZING SCORE BRO, JUST AMAZING!!!

Soo happy for you. You deserve the beast bro. Enjoy.

Edited February 8, 2022 by Normimb
Miss the quote button

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Lack of time. And not fully tuned. Need time on a new platform. Flashed bios to 811 and the SP rating didn't change. Better it never dropped than become the same🙂 Not sure if the normal SP will decrease or increas or is stable with newer bios. I expect Asus have tuned the algo with newer bios version.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4924215_papusan_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_i9_12900k_29398_cb

https://hwbot.org/submission/4924207_papusan_cinebench___r20_with_benchmate_core_i9_12900k_11245_cb

https://hwbot.org/submission/4924206_papusan_cinebench___r15_with_benchmate_core_i9_12900k_4401_cb

 

Sp rating won't potentially change unless you flash >1000 BIOS. I think there is 1003 and 1101 (NVlink license enabled for SLI) available now for the Apex.

Very nice start!

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Custom90gt said:

Yeah, it reminds me of when DDR4 was first released.  The difference between DDR3 and DDR4 wasn't huge at the time and it was hard to justify.  I figure things will get better in the DDR5 world, but probably not with the sticks I have, lol.

Definitely this. Supply is definitely catching up and things will completely normalize and prices will hopefully get sane soon.

 

DDR4 vs DDR5 comes down to applications and games and Aida64 bandwidth tests definitely do not correlate to real world tests but they are new and exciting and the future so fun to play with if you can.

Crazy how many are running 12th gen here now. We're just waiting on @Mr. Fox 😀

I'm giving Windows 11 a run on the main desktop since it's Alder. Still putting it through its paces to see where it stands.

 

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Talon said:

Nice!! Not using XMP yet? 

Yep. Want to see if it perform all the way from scratch and up. Have it enabled after I flashed new bios.

1 hour ago, Normimb said:

AMAZING SCORE BRO, JUST AMAZING!!!

Soo happy for you. You deserve the beast bro. Enjoy.

Thanks bro. You're always so kind 🙂

52 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I'm giving Windows 11 a run on the main desktop since it's Alder. Still putting it through its paces to see where it stands.

I just can't have it installed on any of my systems. Yeah, you can tweak it but this piece of crap will never be good. I scrapped pay for a new Windows lisence for the new build. Now on Win 10 Ent 2021 LTSC. Will probably go back to 2019 LTSC when I get the ssd's I need for this machine.

 

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Btw. The bot is still a huge never ending mess. Boints go up and down as a Yoyo. And your new benches won't be approved and listed. And the websites is slow as Hell. But this is todays tech world. It sucks @Mr. Fox

https://hwbot.org/submission/4924316_papusan_cinebench___2003_core_i9_12900k_9810_cb

https://hwbot.org/submission/4924318_papusan_wprime___1024m_core_i9_12900k_41sec_482ms?recalculate=true

https://hwbot.org/submission/4924317_papusan_wprime___32m_core_i9_12900k_1sec_808ms?recalculate=true

 

 

[Papusan]

11 hours ago, Talon said:

@Papusan We are SP twins. My 12900K is also SP92. You got a good chip on first pull so congrats. From what I'm hearing/reading your SP92 is not going to be any worse than a baseline KS chip. 

EDIT: Looking again at your prediction your cache looks great! You should be able to push that cache to decently high clocks! 

Thanks 🙂

10 hours ago, Rage Set said:

Of course you get an SP92 out of the gate. Lol.

Why shouldn't I ?😀 I calculated that going with retail electronic stores that don't have the enthusiasts will give me an un-touched chips. The other big web-stores that build pc's, I avoid them for this type tech and I don't trust them. + the mainstream store I bought it from, will give me 60 days return for fund without asking why 🙂 Safer than goung with the other stores... Yep.

New world record... Again from G.skill https://hwbot.org/submission/4923652_lupin_no_musume_memory_frequency_ddr5_sdram_4779.7_mhz

And the top 100 benchers doesn't like what they see... https://community.hwbot.org/topic/210819-lupin_no_musume-ddr5-sdram-47797-mhz-memory-frequency/?do=findComment&comment=603224

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https://hwbot.org/submission/4924425_papusan_superpi___1m_core_i9_12900k_6sec_427ms?recalculate=true