*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

It’s finally happening! I have a fresh off the press ROG Apex Z790 rolling in from Malaysia. This one is as new as they get manufactured (03.2023) Rev A04. It will match my test bench and chiller too 😁 

 

Now I just need some 2x24GB DDR5 8000 sticks!

 

 

[electrosoft]

Ended up picking up an MSI X670E Carbon open box for ~$320 from Amazon for some X3D playtime. Still have my M-die heatsinked sticks ready to go. Just need to lock down on a 7950X3D or 7800X3D.

 

I'll end up setting up and testing it in my "workbench" case (Ye ole Corsair 540) as always. My main desktop has a stack of mods and adjustments it needs in the corner anyhow so I'll knock out like 5 birds with one stone.

 

I'm real curious to see how it performs against my tuned 12900k for WoW and then FO76. I'm still bound by my 12900k even at 4k especially in Raids and Valdrakken where fps can dip down into the 70s while my 12900k is bouncing off of 100% and my 4090 is sitting around 70-80%. I expected this as more player data hits and taxes the CPU which was already bottlenecking my GPU in open areas with nobody around.

 

Hardware Numb3rs has been inactive for quite some time and that was my usual go to spot for the type of tweaking and WoW tests I liked.

 

Yet again a major itch I need to scratch personally.... 🙂

 

 

16 hours ago, Reciever said:

I dont have a fixed view of VRAM.

 

If you are entering PC Gaming for the first time then 8GB would suit most people "fine" if your just trying to dip your feet. Especially when CFX and SLI were in play, which of course arent in play anymore.

 

That all being said IIRC I saw 17GB of VRAM use in Sons of the Forest. One of our group was whining about the resource heavy nature of the game (which was mostly a fault of unity engine, but thats another rabbit hole) with his RTX 3060 only getting 30-40 FPS in a heavy forest area while snowing. A part of me was thinking it could also be VRAM, but its hard to tell since the game is Early Access / Beta. Most of the time I dont excuse games taking money in e beta state but the developer has been fairly consistent with weekly or bi-weekly updates with the prior title.

 

I have a few different cards, most of them are 8-10GB. Obviously I use my 3090 since its the heaviest hitter. I want to try to shunt mod it but will likely experiment with my K2200's first lol

 

On one hand I lamented about this years ago. On the other hand, using recommended settings, my daughter's PC handled 4k Hogwarts just fine and looked pretty decent on her Asus 3070 KO. This was with 32GB DDR4 and a 12400 on an Asus B660. I'm much more sensitive to graphical settings though.

 

Literally how our convo went when she was playing:

 

Me: "Don't you see there? See where the textures aren't as clear?"

Her: "No"

Me: "Well what about the grass there? Don't you see how the blades aren't as clear?"

Her: "No!"

Me: "Look at the facial textures. Don't you see how they could be a little clearer?"

Her: "No dad! It looks good to me"

Me: "Well what about....."

Her: "For the love of God dad, LET ME PLAY!"

 

🤣

[Mr. Fox]

25 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Literally how our convo went when she was playing:

 

Me: "Don't you see there? See where the textures aren't as clear?"

Her: "No"

Me: "Well what about the grass there? Don't you see how the blades aren't as clear?"

Her: "No!"

Me: "Look at the facial textures. Don't you see how they could be a little clearer?"

Her: "No dad! It looks good to me"

Me: "Well what about....."

Her: "For the love of God dad, LET ME PLAY!"

 

🤣

LOL. 🤣 that could have easily been a conversation you were having with me. It has to be more than just a little bit before I notice. I do, however, immediately notice and appreciate the enhanced lighting and reflections when ray tracing is used. I notice that long before I notice things such as subtle muddy textures, minor jagged aliased edges, or minor screen tearing. I might detect them if they are pointed out, but might not notice otherwise.

[Papusan]

42 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Hardware Numb3rs has been inactive for quite some time and that was my usual go to spot for the type of tweaking and WoW tests I liked.

Not very active on ItalianExtremeModders/videos either. Last one was 3 months ago.

 

 

Yep, no one should buy the 4070Ti or the 4080... But 12GB vram stop you from using your 4070 in 4K.

 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 review: Highly efficient 1440p gaming
https://www.pcworld.com/article/1781139/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-review.html

 

As I said right up top, the $599 GeForce RTX 4070 is the only current Nvidia 40-series graphics card potentially worth your money aside from the flagship RTX 4090.

 

Spoiler, The RTX 4070 is overpriced and boring

 

 

And Intel get payback for working hard to make phone cores works in their desktop chips. Yep, the flood of baby-cores was very important for Intel.

 

Intel will likely make your next phone’s chip
https://www.pcworld.com/article/1784223/intel-will-likely-make-your-next-phones-chip.html

[electrosoft]

While I am a staunch proponent of more VRAM the merrier, I do get where UFD is coming from. The argument being you're not going to be running that high of resolution/settings anyhow on a lesser card (or if you are, it really isn't the card for you). There is a direct relation between graphics/resolution settings and GPU processing power along with VRAM. No one wants pretty eye candy chunking along at 20fps so you would naturally lower the settings and/or resolution anyhow.

 

But with that being said, yeah, Nvidia needs to be more like AMD and slap more memory on their mid to mid-high tier cards

 

 

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Ended up picking up an MSI X670E Carbon open box for ~$320 from Amazon for some X3D playtime. Still have my M-die heatsinked sticks ready to go. Just need to lock down on a 7950X3D or 7800X3D.

 

I'll end up setting up and testing it in my "workbench" case (Ye ole Corsair 540) as always. My main desktop has a stack of mods and adjustments it needs in the corner anyhow so I'll knock out like 5 birds with one stone.

 

I'm real curious to see how it performs against my tuned 12900k for WoW and then FO76. I'm still bound by my 12900k even at 4k especially in Raids and Valdrakken where fps can dip down into the 70s while my 12900k is bouncing off of 100% and my 4090 is sitting around 70-80%. I expected this as more player data hits and taxes the CPU which was already bottlenecking my GPU in open areas with nobody around.

 

Hardware Numb3rs has been inactive for quite some time and that was my usual go to spot for the type of tweaking and WoW tests I liked.

 

Yet again a major itch I need to scratch personally.... 🙂

 

 

 

On one hand I lamented about this years ago. On the other hand, using recommended settings, my daughter's PC handled 4k Hogwarts just fine and looked pretty decent on her Asus 3070 KO. This was with 32GB DDR4 and a 12400 on an Asus B660. I'm much more sensitive to graphical settings though.

 

Literally how our convo went when she was playing:

 

Me: "Don't you see there? See where the textures aren't as clear?"

Her: "No"

Me: "Well what about the grass there? Don't you see how the blades aren't as clear?"

Her: "No!"

Me: "Look at the facial textures. Don't you see how they could be a little clearer?"

Her: "No dad! It looks good to me"

Me: "Well what about....."

Her: "For the love of God dad, LET ME PLAY!"

 

🤣

 

Honestly this is the only realm where I honestly believe being ignorant to what it's like on the top (in terms of computing and peripherals) is a benefit, significantly easier on your wallet too. 

 

It feels almost like a crime for me to point those things out because once I see it, it irks me until it's resolved/rectified. Mushy switch? Replace it, can't replace? Replace the keyboard. Keyboard is the wrong revision and feels different? Replace with another brand/model. Don't like the replacement? Search for another. Repeat until satisfied. 

 

All the while friends or family are happily playing on a rubber dome keyboard from Dell that costed 40 cents to make back in 95'

 

In principle I want everyone to have the best experience possible, in practice? Hmm lol

[electrosoft]

47 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Not very active on ItalianExtremeModders/videos either. Last one was 3 months ago.

 

 

Yep, no one should buy the 4070Ti or the 4080... But 12GB vram stop you from using your 4070 in 4K.

 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 review: Highly efficient 1440p gaming
https://www.pcworld.com/article/1781139/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-review.html

 

As I said right up top, the $599 GeForce RTX 4070 is the only current Nvidia 40-series graphics card potentially worth your money aside from the flagship RTX 4090.

 

Spoiler, The RTX 4070 is overpriced and boring

 

 

 

I noticed his last update from a few months ago on YT community was he had been sick for over 3 weeks with the flu/bronchitis. Hopefully Max is doing alright. I always enjoyed his content.

 

As for the 4070, basically you're getting a 3080 w/ 2GB more memory for $100 less and all the 4000 series refinements (DLSS3, RT bump, etc..). It is a worthy card for someone looking for an upgrade.

 

4070 and 4090 are the only two worthy pickups. 4080 and 4070ti is an attempt by Nvidia to shift the pricing stack upward well outside of inflation. The 4080 bump is just so insulting....

 

 

[electrosoft]

15 hours ago, tps3443 said:

It’s finally happening! I have a fresh off the press ROG Apex Z790 rolling in from Malaysia. This one is as new as they get manufactured (03.2023) Rev A04. It will match my test bench and chiller too 😁 

 

Now I just need some 2x24GB DDR5 8000 sticks!

 

 

 

LOL, is that your actual motherboard being boxed up for shipping? With the newest, freshest revision I'm expecting some serious results. 🙂

 

 

8 minutes ago, Reciever said:

 

Honestly this is the only realm where I honestly believe being ignorant to what it's like on the top (in terms of computing and peripherals) is a benefit, significantly easier on your wallet too. 

 

It feels almost like a crime for me to point those things out because once I see it, it irks me until it's resolved/rectified. Mushy switch? Replace it, can't replace? Replace the keyboard. Keyboard is the wrong revision and feels different? Replace with another brand/model. Don't like the replacement? Search for another. Repeat until satisfied. 

 

All the while friends or family are happily playing on a rubber dome keyboard from Dell that costed 40 cents to make back in 95'

 

In principle I want everyone to have the best experience possible, in practice? Hmm lol

 

This is so true.

 

I am beyond sensitive to keyboard and mouse devices (I've lost count how many I've tried over the years). It extends to graphical settings, dead pixels, display bleed, system noise and more. Others don't even notice it but they can drive me batty.

 

Any type of subpar fps and the dreaded "chunk" or too much latency and it will be fixed one way or the other. I just jettisoned T-Mobile Internet to go back to Xfinity because of the latency.

 

Sometimes ignorance is bliss (In my Cypher voice).

 

 

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

While I am a staunch proponent of more VRAM the merrier, I do get where UFD is coming from. The argument being you're not going to be running that high of resolution/settings anyhow on a lesser card (or if you are, it really isn't the card for you). There is a direct relation between graphics/resolution settings and GPU processing power along with VRAM. No one wants pretty eye candy chunking along at 20fps so you would naturally lower the settings and/or resolution anyhow.

 

Not necessarily, this just means the game will be able to keep more textures in video memory, smoothing the experience out even on lower settings, and with more VRAM you might well be able to bump the textures to highest quality, even though some other settings will needs to stay lower. If not this then then 4070 Ti should have come with 16GB of VRAM, and 4080 should have been endowed with 20GB of VRAM to match AMDs 7900 XT, and to spruce up the otherwise s.... deal.

[electrosoft]

2 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Not necessarily, this just means the game will be able to keep more textures in video memory, smoothing the experience out even on lower settings, and with more VRAM you might well be able to bump the textures to highest quality, even though some other settings will needs to stay lower. If not this then then 4070 Ti should have come with 16GB of VRAM, and 4080 should have been armed 20GB of VRAM to match AMDs 7900 XT, and to spruce up the otherwise s.... deal.

 

Agreed it isn't absolute or written in stone in regards to establishing equilibrium between VRAM exhaustion and GPU processing limitations but let's say generally as you lower settings to fit your VRAM you will also lessen the load on your GPU.

 

And I agree the 4070 Ti definitely should have come with 16GB and the 4080 should have been equipped with 20GB.

 

 

[electrosoft]

 

 

Best Buy has 7800X3D in stock at actual real pricing. I went ahead and ordered one. Playtime ahead.

 

Hopefully this turns out better than my 5800X 4 months of USB torture before I jettisoned it for the 11900k.

 

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-8-core-16-thread-4-2-ghz-5-0-ghz-max-boost-socket-am5-unlocked-desktop-processor-black/6537139.p?skuId=6537139

 

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

While I am a staunch proponent of more VRAM the merrier, I do get where UFD is coming from. The argument being you're not going to be running that high of resolution/settings anyhow on a lesser card (or if you are, it really isn't the card for you). There is a direct relation between graphics/resolution settings and GPU processing power along with VRAM. No one wants pretty eye candy chunking along at 20fps so you would naturally lower the settings and/or resolution anyhow.

3080@10GB was a 4K card regarding to what nvidia said. And where will it stack now? In 1440P with the need for lower bling settings😎 The card is barely 2 years old. You just don’t jump on new cards every 2nd year. So the 4070 will be a 1080P card 3 years down the road. Maybe even before. My son’s friends have their cards near 4 years before they swap. Or upgrade every 2nd gen cards. Not sure how many gamers upgrade every 2nd year. Aka every gpu upgrade. The awful price hike for newer gen cards doesn’t make it easier for gamers. 

 

Btw. If you also enjoy older games then you'll be happy with Nvidia's changes for new gen low/mid end cards.... Is less more?😎

 

https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-founders-edition 

 

 

 

Probably why Nvidia couldn't charge more than $599 for the 4070 to match 4070Ti and 4080 price point. They know 12GB vram will be too little for future games. So now you get a brand new card that will perform worse with your older (favorite) games and you may see newer games will have same behaviour but from another reason😅

 

 

Now, the question becomes: why is NVIDIA pricing the RTX 4070 lower than what it had considered in the start? Tom’s insider claimed that NVIDIA is realizing that the RTX 4070 VRAM may be insufficient. 

 

VRAM capacity has become a hot topic in recent days following the launch of The Last of Us Part 1 on PC. The game reportedly consumes more than 12 GB of VRAM at 1080p/Ultra making GPUs like the RTX 3070 with 8GB of VRAM, which are sufficiently powerful for 1080p otherwise, perform horrible in some instances.

 

Yep, measly $820 for a custom aircooled 4070. Nice. I wonder what price Asus will charge for their best 4070 OC card.

https://videocardz.com/press-release/colorful-launches-geforce-rtx-4070-igame-and-battleax-series

 

Edit. I'm sure EVGA saw this come... The manufacturers will hardly make big profits at least with the MSRP cards, that much I can reveal at least. I’m not allowed to do more than that because the calculations are all under NDA. Unfortunately, this also diminishes the hope that the upcoming AMD cards will be significantly cheaper. igorslab

 

They are cutting costs down to the bone. See etc here  <because especially the cheap voltage converters are disappointing><measly 12GB vram>. And yet, they still have problem make any profits from $599. Who is to blame for this? Where goes all the profits? TSMC ? Or Nvidia that don't tell the whole truth about the cost and calculations? 

 

Does this mean the new GPUs in reality should have cost more?😁 @electrosoft

[Mr. Fox]

7 minutes ago, Papusan said:

3080@10GB was a 4K card regarding to what nvidia said. And where will it stack now even in 1440P. The card is barely 2 years old. You just don’t jump on new cards every 2nd year. So the 4070 will be a 1080P card 3 years down the road. Maybe even before. My son’s friends have their cards near 4 years before they swap. Or upgrade every 2nd gen cards. Not sure how many gamers upgrade every 2nd year. Aka every gpu upgrade. 

This is the only way to rationalize anything that remotely resembles "value" in a 4090. It will work for gamers that don't want to upgrade every year or two. Sadly, it won't work for performance enthusiasts that do want to stay on the edge like it does for gamers. But, I digress... nobody cares about performance enthusiasts anymore. They certainly love our money, but they don't love us. We are a source of revenue, not a valued patron.

[Etern4l]

7 minutes ago, Papusan said:

3080@10GB was a 4K card regarding to what nvidia said.

 

That may have just been a reference to scalped prices of those cards :)

 

BTW NVidia never really liked crypto and thought that mining was basically useless. 

 

 

[Tenoroon]

My two cents on the 4070:

The VRAM bus nerf is really weird to me; I'm not used to seeing a 70 class card with a 192 bit bus. While the topic is controversial, 12gb to me is fine for it, but it SHOULDN'T be advertised as a 4k card. 1440p is the most I'd say it could comfortably do.

The TDP seems fine, but the lackluster generational performance uplift is a bit displeasing. What sucks even more is that some cheaper AIB models may not perform as well when clocked higher due to being limited to a single 8 pin + the remainder PCIe power (if said revisions even use the full 75w from the PCIe lane.) Speaking of clocks, it seems like Nvidia is locking down this card for a reason (at least their particular PCB) and I can see why. God forbid 250w+ is ran through that poor VRM... The card would explode if that were to happen! 

 

You're telling me that my little MXM 2080 has a similar if not better VRM than a desktop GPU with the same TDP? That's nuts to me! The only thing to defend Nvidia's 4070 PCB is that more of that 200w of power goes to the memory due to G6X being more hungry than standard G6 (like on my 2080)

Though, if Nvidia can make the PCB that small, I'd like to see some small single fan 4070's, those would be great for some more space limited ITX cases, and may allow for some older ITX builds to get a reasonable upgrade that won't require them to buy a new case.

Overall, this thing is a goofy card. If it were priced $80-100 lower, and could actually be bought for that price, it would make quite a good card, but knowing how Nvidia is, and the limited time they have on their dumb temporary rebate program, getting one of these for $600 flat will be hard if not impossible. While it provides more value than a 4070ti or 4080, I think this thing will be the last bit of positivity for Lovelace; my hopes for the 4060ti and below are not high, and I dread seeing how bad they could potentially be value wise. 

[Reciever]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

LOL, is that your actual motherboard being boxed up for shipping? With the newest, freshest revision I'm expecting some serious results. 🙂

 

 

 

This is so true.

 

I am beyond sensitive to keyboard and mouse devices (I've lost count how many I've tried over the years). It extends to graphical settings, dead pixels, display bleed, system noise and more. Others don't even notice it but they can drive me batty.

 

Any type of subpar fps and the dreaded "chunk" or too much latency and it will be fixed one way or the other. I just jettisoned T-Mobile Internet to go back to Xfinity because of the latency.

 

Sometimes ignorance is bliss (In my Cypher voice).

 

 

 

Same, before I purchase something that can be objectively measured and judged, like a monitor, I still spend 3-4 months looking at all the different reviews for trends between them, looking at the specifications of every port, what the capabilities are. Then I go look at the negative reviews from sites like Amazon (after filtering out the aggregate, irrelevant SKU's/products) to see what kind of defects, shortcomings, QA/QC and if they would be acceptable or something I could potentially fix if needed. I dont like invoking warranties as my experience has mostly been negative, so I want to know if I can fix potential issues myself. It was one reason I didnt purchase a particular product (Aorus 43" Monitor) to replace my current 40" HDTV.

 

It reminded me when my family moved to Texas my sister was trying to finance a TV. I was going up and down all the isles, reading reviews on my phone (HTC Evo 3d iirc), looking at ports, reliability of the brand (Toshiba, in this instance.) etc etc. My sister walks up, oh that one is pretty! annnnnnd it was done lol.

 

Sometimes i wish I could be more spontaneous, but alas, havent conquered that element of my life quite yet.

 

 

[Papusan]

8 hours ago, Papusan said:

Yep, measly $820 for a custom aircooled 4070. Nice. I wonder what price Asus will charge for their best 4070 OC card.

https://videocardz.com/press-release/colorful-launches-geforce-rtx-4070-igame-and-battleax-series

 

Same up again.... Better silicon and higher board power than its AIC partners cards for around same MSRP. Yep, the AIC partners will launch their so called better binned OC variants of 4070 but those will come with a nice price premium on top. For the vram overclock, its just a pure luck of draw.  

 

I just can't see the AIC partners will make many of those low entry cards at MSRP. Whats the point make cards when you struggle to compete and on top don't make profits? Better put the assembly line in works for the more expensive custom cards. 

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-founders-edition/41.html

 

3 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

My two cents on the 4070:

The VRAM bus nerf is really weird to me; I'm not used to seeing a 70 class card with a 192 bit bus. While the topic is controversial, 12gb to me is fine for it, but it SHOULDN'T be advertised as a 4k card. 1440p is the most I'd say it could comfortably barely do forwards.

4070 is a 1440P  card. Even Nvidia point that out https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/geforce-rtx-4070/

 

But it won't be a real 1440P card in 2024/25.  Their real 1440P card is the 4080@16GB at $1199.

[tps3443]

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

LOL, is that your actual motherboard being boxed up for shipping? With the newest, freshest revision I'm expecting some serious results. 🙂

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yep!!! 😂 The exact motherboard Rev A04. This guy in China has got access to all the great and hard to find cool stuff. He can get Galax HOF 4090 for $2,300 USD. Which is so extremely tempting and it include a Galax HOF 1300 watt power supply with the GPU as a package. It’s all white and has hookups right on the PSU for dual 16 pin pci-e power connectors (No dongles) 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Yep!!! 😂 The exact motherboard Rev A04. This guy in China has got access to all the great and hard to find cool stuff. He can get Galax HOF 4090 for $2,300 USD. Which is so extremely tempting and it include a Galax HOF 1300 watt power supply with the GPU as a package. It’s all white and has hookups right on the PSU for dual 16 pin pci-e power connectors (No dongles) 

Be sure he can fix/help with any RMA and warranties for you. Galax support... 

 

What is not covered by Galax Limited Warranty:
Products purchased from unauthorized resellers or dealers, which include, without limitation, online marketplaces such as Amazon, eBay, and other online auction and/or marketplace websites. If you are unsure of whether a reseller is an Authorized Reseller, please contact GALAX for confirmation.

 

You are not the original purchaser and have provided proof of purchase evidencing the date of purchase (sales receipt or invoice), place of purchase.

 

Nothing will come for free from "chentj1988". Be sure you are covered back and forwards. Not fun lose money if things don't go your way. 

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/p-sp121-intel-13900k.1805130/post-29170905

[Ashtrix]

Regarding Nvidia shenanigans, I already explained multiple times on how garbage their business practices are. I showed so many graphs on how RX 6800 is a better GPU than RTX 3070. And it held with time. The VRAM chokepoint kills the whole RT BS in one shot. You enable RT FX it eats up your VRAM. Period. And the whole argument of RT goes out of window. Remember these are mostly Cross-Gen titles. So anyone expecting their GPUs to last Full Next Gen + Gen Refresh (PS5 Pro / SX Pro) they are royally screwed.

 

RTX 4070 video by GN Steve small commentary itself paints the clear picture, the Radeon 6950XT destroys this garbage out of window, Remember a 6950XT is a 3090-3090Ti class of performance this 4070 cannot even dream about it with it's garbage Memory bus on top for $100 less price than 3080 FE MSRP AFTER 2 YEARS. In EU there's no pricing reduction for newer tech it's literally SAME. How about add Inflation factor ? That even becomes thinner. Nvidia rip off of poor brand loyal consumers continues. All for MUH Fake Frames and DLSS Upscaling and Shiny puddles.

 

 

Flagship Radeon RDNA2 RX 6950XT GPU is now available for just $609.99

 

The PCB design is cheap you see the PCB posted above and compare that to any Ampere 3080 or the RDNA2 6900 and up... Nvidia is looting, the Power delivery (no need of garbage dongles or expensive 90 Degree Cablemod adapters) plus More Power Tool OC out of the box vs Locked down garbage. Best is VRAM, the 12GB limit is not going to hold well.

 

 

Also, Flashback

Nvidia GTX 1080TI launched at $699 6 years ago for 11GB VRAM. Remember that then the abhorrent garbage Turing came with poorest value where 1080Ti was competing vs 2080 lol. Then they had to fix the Silicon mess and offer an upscale of the Silicon grade to 2080 SUPER rip-off. Still 2080Ti had 11GB VRAM.

 

FF to 2020, Ampere entire lineup got decimated by lack of VRAM. RTX 3080 gimped at 10GB lol, less than 1080Ti. RTX3080Ti 12GB. RTX3060 got 12GB lmao more than 3080, still enabling RT for those RT RT people this will add a choke point for incoming titles, I do not want to mention 4K and 1440P etc because it depends on what GFX settings you want, if you max out everything even the card may choke at 1440P.

 

Meanwhile back to present, Ada vs RDNA3. RTX 4080 again capped at 16GB VRAM. This is right now enough for 4K RT on RE4R, but in the future that won't be enough the competition 7900XTX - 24GB VRAM. Then you have 4070TI which gets lower performance on 4K vs a 3090TI due to VRAM cap again competition ? 7900XT - 20GB VRAM.  And here 4080 costs $1200+ while the rest are $1000 to $900.

 

People will still buy this garbage RTX 4070 and get destroyed once the next gen unoptimized garbage AAA titles arrive.

 

Finally one little shocker if anyone does not know.

 

AMD makes as much as Revenue as Nvidia in Gaming despite having low sale volume, Why ? because Nvidia's GPUs are bigger and AMD uses smaller ones look at RDNA2, RDNA3 and TSMC costs a lot more so Nvidia will destroy your wallet by offering planned obsolescence tech. Plus AMD also sells a lot of Console APUs too.

 

Also there's no 7700XT yet once the 4060 joke (yea it will have 8GB VRAM lmao) launches....

 

 

....then AMD will launch their mid range as RDNA2 slowly fades out and destroy both 4070 and 4060 but people will buy Nvidia junk again lol only to get ripped off and then...Hardware Unboxed video caused meltdown will repeat again.

 

 

 

 

[Rage Set]

While everyone is buying new hardware, I am here performing maintenance and/or repairing my old consoles (which includes "jailbreaking"). Right now, I am working on my NES, SNES, Genesis, Dreamcast, N64, Wii U and more. 

 

In addition to all of that, I am trying to archive nearly 60TB of old hard drives from my youth. Protip: Do not use Windows 10 while backing up old HDDs, Windows likes to corrupt index information. 

[Papusan]

6 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

RTX 4070 video by GN Steve small commentary itself paints the clear picture, the Radeon 6950XT destroys this garbage out of window, Remember a 6950XT is a 3090-3090Ti class of performance this 4070 cannot even dream about it with it's garbage Memory bus on top for $100 less price than 3080MSRP AFTER 2 YEARS. In EU there's no pricing reduction for newer tech it's literally SAME.

The 4070 mainly compete vs older 3080😎

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

Remember a 6950XT is a 3090-3090Ti class of performance

This is true only if you select workloads and certain titles that RDNA2 is good at. In some circumstances, the RX 6900 series trails 3090/3090Ti by a pretty massive margin in areas that can matter a lot.

 

In a graphics-focused workload such as Blender, the RX 6900/6950 XT gets slaughtered. Nvidia has CUDA and Optix rendering, which are significantly faster than the OpenGL rendering the RX 6900/6950 XT have access to.

 

That’s not to mention the memory speed and bandwidth on the RTX 3090 and RTX 3090 Ti, RT and Tensor cores. Both of them use GDDR6X memory, which tops out much higher than the GDDR6 the RX 6900/6950 XT have available. If you’re serious about ripping through GPU-bound workloads, ray-traced content and content creation, it’s smarter to spend the extra for the 30-series Nvidia flagships. And, it is well-known that RDNA2 fails pretty miserably where ray tracing is concerned.

 

If you only play games and run benchmarks where the RDNA2 architecture does better, then going with the 6900 Series is an intelligent way to save money by doing without things you do not need.

 

If you're a number chasing benchmark maniac, you need both and will have to identify the best assault weaponry for each battle. I can say for certain that where the 6900 XT shines, it shines brightly. Where it doesn't, there is nothing to write home about. The better all-around option is unquestionably the 3090/3090 Ti. But, that comes at a high cost.

 

All of the above aside, the 4090 is grossly overpriced and anything less than a 4090 is a waste of money. The Green Goblin shows its darkest side releasing trash like the 4070 for $600+. Better to buy a new 6900/6950 XT, a good used one, or a good second-hand 3090/3090 Ti and skip the garbage sub-flagship Green cards.

 

The MorePower Tool is what makes the 6900/6950 XT really shine. Without MPT spicing things up, they would be more boring and less fun to overclock than the 3090/3090 Ti. Even when you make very little progress using it, MPT makes it fun trying. It is sinful that a similar tweak tool is not available for the RTX cards. Not everyone has access to supreme options like Kingpin and Galax HOF GPUs, and those are the only Nvidia options that beat the tweaking fun the MPT brings to RDNA2 cards.

[Etern4l]

As for the 4090 pricing, I wonder what GeForce 4090 chip volume NVidia has sold to date. Clearly, there is a level competition for this level of silicon with the industry, for example, here is two-faced Elon complaining about the dangers of AI and amassing GPUs for his own AI project at the same time:

 

 https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/04/elon-musk-reportedly-purchases-thousands-of-gpus-for-generative-ai-project-at-twitter/

 

[Ashtrix]

I couldn't stop myself from copy pasting this lol...