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[electrosoft]

Jay ranting about motherboard prices (and reflecting how I feel):

 

 

[cylix]

Good rant and he is right. The prices went ballistic 😥

[tps3443]

Hey everyone! I was hoping to get some opinions on this. I want to get (2) new monitors or (1) new monitor. 
 

I’m gonna finally be replacing my 2560x1440P@165Hz G-Sync TN and IPS units. These panels have been nice, but I want better colors.. I think deep blacks and good colors is the key for a nice experience. 
 

Anyways, With all of the options we have OLED and MINI-LED available. Both are capable of some crazy deep blacks, but I feel like Mini-LED would be more reliable. 
 

If you were to spend $1,000-$1,500+ on a panel or panels. What would you prefer? 
 

Monitors last me years. So Ideally I’d want something that’s good for 3-5 years with good performance. 
 

Any thoughts on this? I’m worried about OLED, but maybe I shouldn’t be.

[Etern4l]

8 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Hey everyone! I was hoping to get some opinions on this. I want to get (2) new monitors or (1) new monitor. 
 

I’m gonna finally be replacing my 2560x1440P@165Hz G-Sync TN and IPS units. These panels have been nice, but I want better colors.. I think deep blacks and good colors is the key for a nice experience. 
 

Anyways, With all of the options we have OLED and MINI-LED available. Both are capable of some crazy deep blacks, but I feel like Mini-LED would be more reliable. 
 

If you were to spend $1,000-$1,500+ on a panel or panels. What would you prefer? 
 

Monitors last me years. So Ideally I’d want something that’s good for 3-5 years with good performance. 
 

Any thoughts on this? I’m worried about OLED, but maybe I shouldn’t be.

 

What are the usage patters? If displaying static contents for several hours a day (office use), then I would be a bit uneasy about OLED as well, even though I guess we haven't heard any major horror stories lately. If a bit of work here and there plus gaming/videos than OLED in my view.

[ryan]

I would say oled for your use case just make sure you install or use a screensaver and or changing background image ever so often.

 

I used to buy monitors but now that tvs have improved monumentally I just stick with a wide color gamut high contrast led that way I don't have to worry about burn in. I have the sony x85j and it's been great. Doesn't help you, but I say you Check them out in person at a store because every monitor or tv has downsides. But I would like to mention every single time I see oled I'm blown away it's just that good and now they have quantum dot oled tvs I'd highly suggest you look into a qd oled accordingly to many people they have the best color volume in testing

 

This is tops

 

Dell aw3423dw

 

www.rtings.com talks about it in a review and I believe it is the top scorer. 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Hey everyone! I was hoping to get some opinions on this. I want to get (2) new monitors or (1) new monitor. 
 

I’m gonna finally be replacing my 2560x1440P@165Hz G-Sync TN and IPS units. These panels have been nice, but I want better colors.. I think deep blacks and good colors is the key for a nice experience. 
 

Anyways, With all of the options we have OLED and MINI-LED available. Both are capable of some crazy deep blacks, but I feel like Mini-LED would be more reliable. 
 

If you were to spend $1,000-$1,500+ on a panel or panels. What would you prefer? 
 

Monitors last me years. So Ideally I’d want something that’s good for 3-5 years with good performance. 
 

Any thoughts on this? I’m worried about OLED, but maybe I shouldn’t be.

 

I contemplated OLED but I didn't want the potential headaches. I routinely leave my displays on the same content for hours and I am a prime candidate for burn in. As fate would have it, I was sent a 43" 4k Samsung mini led display for free to evaluate and keep so that was that.

 

I love it but make no mistake, OLED is superior from viewing angles to per pixel control. Mini LED is miles ahead of side lit displays as there is zero halo or ghosting when not in use or a zone is set to black but OLED trumps blooming everyday. mini led is brighter than OLED though on average.

 

The question is can you be disciplined enough (or care enough) to cycle your content and displays to avoid potential burn in?

 

 

 

 

[ryan]

Contrast of 100 000 to one is nice brightness is also important. I would say it's a win win you can't go wrong with either. I have something half as good and it still looks impressive . Or with your budget just get the best available the aw3423dw

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, cylix said:

Good rant and he is right. The prices went ballistic 😥

Because I can totally identify with it, my favorite part of the video was when he said...

  

11 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I contemplated OLED but I didn't want the potential headaches. I routinely leave my displays on the same content for hours and I am a prime candidate for burn in.

The question is can you be disciplined enough (or care enough) to cycle your content and displays to avoid potential burn in?

I do not like cycling screen content and I would really hate that, and I also do not like screensavers. I thiink I would end up having regrets no mattey how nice  things looked on the screen

[Etern4l]

48 minutes ago, ryan said:

This is tops

 

Dell aw3423dw

 

Looks absolutely awesome, I had a 240Hz AW gaming monitor for a while. It was legit, perhaps unlike their latest laptops. (In fact it was too good, had to return to manage my addiction lol)

 

[ryan]

Yeah I heard about it a week ago. I had no idea they already have a qd oled gaming monitor. I watched a few videos and it's just mental how much praise qd OLEDs get

[Rage Set]

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Hey everyone! I was hoping to get some opinions on this. I want to get (2) new monitors or (1) new monitor. 
 

I’m gonna finally be replacing my 2560x1440P@165Hz G-Sync TN and IPS units. These panels have been nice, but I want better colors.. I think deep blacks and good colors is the key for a nice experience. 
 

Anyways, With all of the options we have OLED and MINI-LED available. Both are capable of some crazy deep blacks, but I feel like Mini-LED would be more reliable. 
 

If you were to spend $1,000-$1,500+ on a panel or panels. What would you prefer? 
 

Monitors last me years. So Ideally I’d want something that’s good for 3-5 years with good performance. 
 

Any thoughts on this? I’m worried about OLED, but maybe I shouldn’t be.

 

All of the monitor technologies have their place. I personally use an OLED C2 for my console/PC gaming with a controller setup in my home office. It is amazing. In my basement, I have a 34'' ultrawide IPS 1440p 175Hz for competitive shooters and 27'' 4K IPS 165Hz for when I want eye candy. 

 

I am partial to my ultrawide monitors, as I love the concept and screen size. 

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Because I can totally identify with it, my favorite part of the video was when he said...

  

I do not like cycling screen content and I would really hate that, and I also do not like screensavers. I thiink I would end up having regrets no mattey how nice  things looked on the screen

Why install the crapware in first place? 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

On 4/15/2023 at 6:38 PM, Papusan said:

Why install the crapware in first place? 

Yes, 100%... All of it is garbage. The worst I have ever used, without question, is ASUS Armory Crate. MSI's is a close second in terms of being Satanically horrible. I have never used any of the other motherboard manufacturer RGB trash, but the ASUS malware drops a payload of filth on an order of magnitude unlike anything I have ever seen before. The Thermaltake, Corsair and OpenRGB are also pretty bad, but they are still win32 apps that you can use to set your lighting as you want it, then exit the program and set it to not run at startup.

 

The ASUS feces runs all of the time, some of it cannot be terminated manually and the only way to totally eradicate their sewage is to use something like Revo Uninstaller and the ASUS software removal tools. Even with it disabled in the BIOS (where it should not be in the first place) if you ever install it once and do not go to great lengths to remove all traces of it, including registry keys, it occasionally tries to sneak its viruses in when you are not paying attention.

 

Just about anything that gets distributed through Micro$lop Store behaves in a manner that resembles malware and is wasteful of system resources. That part is probably contributing greatly to the ASUS software being abnormally horrible.

 

When Aura software was a standalone win32 utility that wasn't a UWP app, it was not particularly horrible because you had control of it and could manually manage how it behaved and worked. As a rule, win32 apps are all universally vastly superior to UWP dung that Micro$lop Store projectile vomits onto anything it comes into contact with. Choosing that as their distribution channel speaks volumes about how incurably retarded and incompetent they have become as a company.

 

The best way to control lighting is to not use the motherboard at all and get a cheap external controller that is Molex or SATA cable powered and connect everything to it that would normally connect to motherboard headers. With an external controller, no software is required. You push buttons to get what you want. Your settings are permament and stay the same forever, until you manually change them. Nothing relies on being stored in NV ram and settings are not lost when you reset the BIOS to defaults.

[Clamibot]

21 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Hey everyone! I was hoping to get some opinions on this. I want to get (2) new monitors or (1) new monitor. 
 

I’m gonna finally be replacing my 2560x1440P@165Hz G-Sync TN and IPS units. These panels have been nice, but I want better colors.. I think deep blacks and good colors is the key for a nice experience. 
 

Anyways, With all of the options we have OLED and MINI-LED available. Both are capable of some crazy deep blacks, but I feel like Mini-LED would be more reliable. 
 

If you were to spend $1,000-$1,500+ on a panel or panels. What would you prefer? 
 

Monitors last me years. So Ideally I’d want something that’s good for 3-5 years with good performance. 
 

Any thoughts on this? I’m worried about OLED, but maybe I shouldn’t be.

 

I personally like high refresh rate VA panels since they have very good colors and are immune to burn in.

 

Yes the colors aren't as good as OLED, but they're good enough for me. There is also the black smearing issue that is inherent to VA panels, but this is really dependent of the screen you get. On the newer Samsung VA panels, the black smearing is pretty much nonexistent. Same with my Dell S3422DWG as long as you keep the contrast high and set it to the maximum overdrive setting.

 

Of course if you're like me and you absolutely detest matte screens, you can also mod the screen to make it glossy, which further improves the colors and gets rid of the stupid matte blurring and washing out effects.

[electrosoft]

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, 100%... All of it is garbage. The worst I have ever used, without question, is ASUS Armory Crate. MSI's is a close second in terms of being Satanically horrible. I have never used any of the other motherboard manufacturer RGB trash, but the ASUS malware drops a payload of filth on an order of magnitude unlike anything I have ever seen before. The Thermaltake, Corsair and OpenRGB are also pretty bad, but they are still win32 apps that yoou can use to set your lighting as you want it, then exit the program and set it to not run at startup.

 

The ASUS feces runs all of the time, some of it cannot be terminated manually and the only way to totally eradicate their sewage is to use something like Revo Uninstaller and the ASUS software removal tools. Even with it disabled in the BIOS (where it should not be in the first place) if you ever install it once and do not go to great lengths to remove all traces of it, including registry keys, it occasionally tries to sneak its viruses in when you are not paying attention.

 

Just about anything that gets distributed through Micro$lop Store behaves in a manner that resembles malware and is wasteful of system resources. That part is probably contributing greatly to the ASUS software being abnormally horrible.

 

When Aura software was a standalone win32 utility that wasn't a UWP app, it was not particularly horrible because you had control of it and could manually manage how it behaved and worked. As a rule, win32 apps are all universally vastly superior to UWP dung that Micro$lop Store projectile vomits onto anything it comes into contact with. Choosing that as their distribution channel speaks volumes about how incurably retarded and incompetent they have become as a company.

 

The best way to control lighting is to not use the motherboard at all and get a cheap external controller that is Molex or SATA cable powered and connect everything to it that would normally connect to motherboard headers. With an external controller, no software is required. You push buttons to get what you want. Your settings are permament and stay the same forever, until you manually change them. Nothing relies on being stored in NV ram and settings are not lost when you reset the BIOS to defaults.

 

Armory Crate is devolved into a malware mess that Asus has purposefully went out of their way to make it a requirement.

 

When a company issues BIOS updates that disable/remove the motherboard retaining the settings between power downs thus forcing you to run their software to re-enable them, that is malicious and targeted.

 

Before the 2000+ series BIOS updates for the D4, the motherboard retained the settings even powered off or disconnected completely via CMOS. After? Now they lose their settings powered off even plugged in and CMOS and you need to run Amory Crate to re-enable. Luckily OpenRGB supports the D4 so setting them back is no problem.

 

I removed all that garbage from my Asus Strix G18 (before returning it) and like clockwork it was running better and not stuttering all over the place. Of course on their laptops Asus Crate is even more required for system control.....

 

MSI used to be better too until they decided to abandon Mystic Light and group everything together into their Dragon software and went the way of Asus in requiring a massive install to do even trivial settings.

 

Asrock still gives you some BIOS control over their lighting which I appreciate as it doesn't require their software unless you want to get fancy or need even more extended control.

 

G.Skill still lets you lock their memory RGB and disregard any software. It also has worked with most software suites I've encountered but I prefer non-RGB memory as it can cause heating/power issues especially when overclocking and the heatsinks are usually trash anyhow and need replacing.

 

Crucial RGB is trash. Their memory also required to run their odd software to light up but at least it was a set and forget at boot.

 

EVGA is minimalist in their RGB and as about as non-intrusive as it gets even in their other software for devices. I love the fact they refuse to make an Asus/MSI like "suite" that is bloated and keep each piece of RGB software separate. They also are "set and forget" for all their devices from MB to GPUs (RIP), KB, Mouse, AIO and more. Once it is set, it is set whether it loses power or not. I wish other companies were like this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Etern4l]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

When a company issues BIOS updates that disable/remove the motherboard retaining the settings between power downs thus forcing you to run their software to re-enable them, that is malicious and targeted.

 

Holy guacamole! Boy am I glad I avoided Asus and their "yebbut the SP ratings" trap.

 

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

MSI used to be better too until they decided to abandon Mystic Light and group everything together into their Dragon software and went the way of Asus in requiring a massive install to do even trivial settings.

 

Yeah, it's not great but at least it's modular,  i.e. you get to choose which components to download and run. There is a beefy EULA though, which I didn't read lest I would have little choice but to delete Windows along with the MSI software, and it still comes in handy for the occasional testing and benching ;)

[ryan]

I think someone recommended I get a Vega GPU for integrated use. Just checked it out and apparently the i5 1135gs xe is faster. Had no clue interesting but seems like Intel caught up to AMD's low end apus

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, Etern4l said:

Holy guacamole! Boy am I glad I avoided Asus and their "yebbut the SP ratings" trap.

It's a mixed bag. They do some things well, and other thing pretty horribly. Very inconsistent quality and service, but when they do something right it is amazing. When they fail, they fail real hard, LOL.

[tps3443]

Another 13900KS (SP117) will be delivered here tomorrow. This is a different CPU from the last (SP117 KS) a member on overclock forums has offered to mail it over for cold water and direct die testing

 

Also, do motherboard CPU sockets ever wear out? Lol. This Unify-X lol so many mounts and re-mounts, and I’m the 2nd owner. 

[Etern4l]

59 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Also, do motherboard CPU sockets ever wear out? Lol. This Unify-X lol so many mounts and re-mounts, and I’m the 2nd owner. 

 

Yes, the pins are extremely fragile. You must have been careful and/or lucky enough, so carry on as you were and good luck bro.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/lga1700-broken-pin.292565/

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1470851-lga-1700-socket-with-broken-vcc-pin/

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/s64hx1/broken_pin_on_lga1700_motherboard/

https://www.reddit.com/r/PcBuild/comments/xvhvtr/bent_pin_on_lga1700_motherboard/

 

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threads/z690-lga-1700-cpu-socket-damage.371438/

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/intel-lga-1700-socket-problem.289718/post-4683026

https://www.ebay.com/itm/204306237589

 

(never mind my experience lol)

[tps3443]

4 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Yes, the pins are extremely fragile. You must have been careful and/or lucky enough, so carry on as you were and good luck bro.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/lga1700-broken-pin.292565/

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1470851-lga-1700-socket-with-broken-vcc-pin/

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/s64hx1/broken_pin_on_lga1700_motherboard/

https://www.reddit.com/r/PcBuild/comments/xvhvtr/bent_pin_on_lga1700_motherboard/

 

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threads/z690-lga-1700-cpu-socket-damage.371438/

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/intel-lga-1700-socket-problem.289718/post-4683026

https://www.ebay.com/itm/204306237589

 

(never mind my experience lol)

Oh I mean’t like wearing out with normal use, but only with numerous mounts and re-mounts. I’m not gonna bend them.

[Etern4l]

15 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Oh I mean’t like wearing out with normal use, but only with numerous mounts and re-mounts. I’m not gonna bend them.

 

I can assure you I wasn't bending them on purpose lol. It takes very little for those pins to move/bend/get out of alignment. The exact cause is unclear, I tend to be quite careful. I am assuming the damage was somehow inflicted by slightly uneven pressure exerted by the contact frame.

You also may have noticed that the CPU has a bit of play in the socket. I guess it's possible that the CPU being aligned all the way to one side before the heatsink is mounted could affect reliability.

Lastly there is the play in the ILM itself...

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Oh I mean’t like wearing out with normal use, but only with numerous mounts and re-mounts. I’m not gonna bend them.

As long as you don't bend any pins it will be fine. They won't "wear out" in the truest sense. I've swapped and remounted CPUs more times than I can count on almost every system I have owned. 

[Papusan]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

As long as you don't bend any pins it will be fine. They won't "wear out" in the truest sense. I've swapped and remounted CPUs more times than I can count on almost every system I have owned. 

You don't have this "problem" with the new modern laptops.... Alienware m18 review - What a shame! 

 

Everything is soldered/welded on the MB😎 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

You don't have this "problem" with the new modern laptops.... Alienware m18 review - What a shame! 

 

Everything is soldered/welded on the MB😎 

Oh, happy is the child whose laptop is a turdbook, for it shall always be a turdbook. Yea, though his ignorance abound, his bliss also fourishes. And, the turdbook's days shall be as the dung of the sheeple, dry and smelly, scattered on the hillsides without number; and, its filthiness shall endure forever.

---

Speaking of happy, I don't know why I waited so long to put a manifold on my other computer. It's just so much better. Better looking, better working and just so much more convenient for tinkering. Being able to remove one item for servicing or to swap it out with a different component without draining any coolant or disturbing any other component in the loop is just a crazy good thing. I won't procrastine next time. It will be part of the initial system build if I ever need a third one. (I can't imagine why I would ever need another one since they don't wear out, just saying I consider it a basic core component in a custom loop now.)