*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[ssj92]

Repasted with ptm7950, cores are much closer but still can hit 100c. Performance went up and I see CPU now retains much higher boost so it makes sense. 

 

36k club:  37k: club:

 

 

 

 

On desktop side of things....bought a 4070 FE lol 

 

[Etern4l]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

As long as you don't bend any pins it will be fine. They won't "wear out" in the truest sense. I've swapped and remounted CPUs more times than I can count on almost every system I have owned. 

Not sure whar "the truest sense" means. The surface of the pin doesn't wear out, but either the pin can structurally weaken or the mechanism involved in moving the pins within the socket could experience a problem. Both cases would result in a "bent pin", which nobody really bent specifically. LGA1700 is a different beast too in terms of pin density. As mentioned before, my new mobo variant came with a visually different socket, so it's possible there was a teething issue with this. 

[Mr. Fox]

23 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

Not sure whar "the truest sense" means. The surface of the pin doesn't wear out, but either the pin can structurally weaken or the mechanism involved in moving the pins within the socket could experience a problem. Both cases would result in a "bent pin", which nobody really bent specifically. LGA1700 is a different beast too in terms of pin density. As mentioned before, my new mobo variant came with a visually different socket, so it's possible there was a teething issue with the socket. 

Sure, anything can go wrong. I have taken CPUs in and out of the socket multiple dozens of times without any issue resulting. By "truest sense" I was speaking of the surface of the pins wearing out or them becoming fatigued due to flexing too many times. There is not a lot of movement involved on the X or Y axis so as to cause "wear and tear" so to speak. Damage can certainly occur from things such as compressing the CPU into the socket with excessive force, or not placing the CPU into the socket flat, (such as one PCB corner first,) and that might not require an element of frequency. All it would take is once. The more often you disturb it, the more opportunities there are for a mishap to occur. The risk is for accidental damage to occur rather than wear. I think we are on the same page here and it is more a matter of semantics than disagreement.

[Raiderman]

So, I finally got everything set up and situated, and wanted to try the new adrenaline AMD driver. I've installed it twice, getting the windows 10 hardware has changed chime, then this lovely screen afterwards with a pretty blue line at the top. Wtf AMD?

Had to macrium both times

 

 

[Reciever]

1 minute ago, Raiderman said:

So, I finally got everything set up and situated, and wanted to try the new adrenaline AMD driver. I've installed it twice, getting the windows 10 hardware has changed chime, then this lovely screen afterwards with a pretty blue line at the top. Wtf AMD?

Had to macrium both times

 

 

 

This happened to me recently with the RTX 3090, had to reinstall Windows as, even though the OS was present, couldnt get display under normal operation

[Raiderman]

1 minute ago, Reciever said:

 

This happened to me recently with the RTX 3090, had to reinstall Windows as, even though the OS was present, couldnt get display under normal operation

That doesn't sound like fun. I've only installed windows 10 twenty or twenty-five times on this thing already. It's amazing the things that go wrong with a PC after a 6 mile move? Windows 7 doesn't see the Intel 7265 wifi card any longer. 😳

[Mr. Fox]

8 hours ago, Raiderman said:

So, I finally got everything set up and situated, and wanted to try the new adrenaline AMD driver. I've installed it twice, getting the windows 10 hardware has changed chime, then this lovely screen afterwards with a pretty blue line at the top. Wtf AMD?

Had to macrium both times

 

 

8 hours ago, Reciever said:

 

This happened to me recently with the RTX 3090, had to reinstall Windows as, even though the OS was present, couldnt get display under normal operation

Did you try Safe Mode? I have randomly seen weird things like this on monitors with high refresh rates. It would be interesting to see if setting the refresh to 60Hz while installing the driver and setting it back to the native refresh rate after the driver install completes would resolve it. Macrium Reflect FTW! It has saved my bacon so many times. Doing a clean install of Windows is not a big deal, but the magnitude of the tweaking and tuning work that follows can be extremely tedious and inconvenient. I do not use Windoze 10 or Winduhz 11 in a form that resembles the default slop.

8 hours ago, Raiderman said:

That doesn't sound like fun. I've only installed windows 10 twenty or twenty-five times on this thing already. It's amazing the things that go wrong with a PC after a 6 mile move? Windows 7 doesn't see the Intel 7265 wifi card any longer. 😳

I have randomly had strange things like that happen even after doing some kind of simple operation like repasting a CPU or GPU, (which did not involve physically moving the PC) or flushing the cooling system (which did involve moving the PC). Totally baffling because there has never been an identifiable explanation for it when nothing gets disturbed with the OS or drivers, or the component that decided to misbehave. Thankfully, it is not something that happens frequently.  I have seen it more with WiFi cards than anything else, usually on a laptop, which is also odd.

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I received an email update from EK support this morning to let me know that I would be receiving a tracking number shortly for a revised design die guard and cold plate.
 

I also ordered an IceMan direct die block to compare with my Supercool and EKWB once the revised design parts arrive. I won't know until I have it and can verify it, but judging from photos alone, the IceMan direct die block has both of them whipped on design and ease of use. It is like a Thermalright CPU frame with an integrated direct die block. No worries about making a mess with spilled water or using a vaccum cleaner to eliminate that issue (my handy trick, LOL) during disassembly like a Supercool block and no need to access the back of the motherboard like the EK option. And, I think it looks really nice.

I wish I could understand what is said in the Clockemup videos or it had captioned translation. Listening sounds like backward masking or an English recording played in reverse. 

Vacuum cleaner trick for context...

Spoiler

 

 

[tps3443]

(testing very soon!!!)

 

I have a (13900KS) P-SP128 in da house!!!! 😬😬😬

[Mr. Fox]

Brother @Ashtrixmine finally arrived. It is surprisingly heavy for how small it is. Seems to be solid construction. Certainly points my 12VHPWR cable in a more desirable direction. Much better than pointing straight out of the GPU toward the window panel.

I put the GPU under a continuous load of 421W for 5+ minutes and the metal housing on the 90° adapter only reached 33°C, so it doesn't appear to have any issues with resistance or poor connection. (The metal housing is actually a heat sink with a thermal pad on the inside.)

[Raiderman]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Brother @Ashtrixmine finally arrived. It is surprisingly heavy for how small it is. Seems to be solid construction. Certainly points my 12VHPWR cable in a more desirable direction. Much better than pointing straight out of the GPU toward the window panel.

I put the GPU under a continuous load of 421W for 5+ minutes and the metal housing on the 90° adapter only reached 33°C, so it doesn't appear to have any issues with resistance or poor connection. (The metal housing is actually a heat sink with a thermal pad on the inside.)

Do you have a link for those 90's brother @Mr. Fox? Found these?

COMeap GPU VGA PCIe 8 Pin 6 Pin U Turn 180 Degree Angle Connector Power Adapter Board for Desktop Graphics Card https://a.co/d/bDntNRx

 

 I've narrowed my gpu choices to the ASRock Taichi 7900xt, or xtx. $849, $1119 respectively. Thoughts?

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

Do you have a link for those 90's brother @Mr. Fox? Found these?

COMeap GPU VGA PCIe 8 Pin 6 Pin U Turn 180 Degree Angle Connector Power Adapter Board for Desktop Graphics Card https://a.co/d/bDntNRx

 

 I've narrowed my gpu choices to the ASRock Taichi 7900xt, or xtx. $849, $1119 respectively. Thoughts?

 

 

Asrock Taichi 7900xtx is my favorite of all the 7900xtx cards followed closely by the Nitro+ VC. Taichi has a superior PCB design (again) like their 6900xt/6950xt Formula OC. If I pick up another 7900xtx, it is definitely going to be a Taichi 7900xtx.

 

With the way prices are falling a bit, I'd wait on the 7900xtx Taichi for at least a +X off coupon from Newegg or a flat out reduction.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

Do you have a link for those 90's brother @Mr. Fox? Found these?

COMeap GPU VGA PCIe 8 Pin 6 Pin U Turn 180 Degree Angle Connector Power Adapter Board for Desktop Graphics Card https://a.co/d/bDntNRx

 

 I've narrowed my gpu choices to the ASRock Taichi 7900xt, or xtx. $849, $1119 respectively. Thoughts?

These are made by Cablemod and I bought them directly from their online international store  

https://store.cablemod.com/.

 

I bought some 8-pin adapters exactly like those you found on Amazon and they worked great. I had no issues with them. It is easy to choose the wrong orientation by accident. I did the first time and had to RMA and repurchase the opposite. The pictures from seller on those you linked are more helpful in identifying the correct orientation than pictures provided by the seller for the adapters I purchased.

 

Between the XT and XTX, I would only consider the latter. The 7900 XTX is a really stout GPU and the XT is too gimped overall.

 

I am pretty passionate about my preference for NVIDIA. There is really no contest IMHO.  So, personally, I would choose a 3090/3090 Ti, 4080 or 4090 over the XTX because the quality of the drivers, GeFarts feature set, far superior GDDR6X memory and all-around performance are too compelling for me for AMD to be my top pick.

 

I am admittedly a hardware pig and I would love to have a 7900 XTX as well, but not if it came down a choice of one over another. Even though I honestly loathe NVIDIA as a company and everything they stand for, NVIDIA is still 100% my first choice purely for selfish reasons, even if it is a less powerful GPU model. I value the experience I am confident I will receive from the NVIDIA GPU even though the company is about as evil, greedy, dishonest and despicable as they get.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

 I've narrowed my gpu choices to the ASRock Taichi 7900xt, or xtx. $849, $1119 respectively. Thoughts?

 

38 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Asrock Taichi 7900xtx is my favorite of all the 7900xtx cards followed closely by the Nitro+ VC. Taichi has a superior PCB design (again) like their 6900xt/6950xt Formula OC. If I pick up another 7900xtx, it is definitely going to be a Taichi 7900xtx.

 

With the way prices are falling a bit, I'd wait on the 7900xtx Taichi for at least a +X off coupon from Newegg or a flat out reduction.

 

 

The 4090 still stands at MSRP or above. How is the Red Devil and Hellhound 7900XT vs already suggested?

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rx-7900-xt-drops-to-779-geforce-rtx-40-and-radeon-7000-series-now-available-at-or-below-msrp

 

 

NVIDIA to Target $450 Price-point with GeForce RTX 4060 Ti

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Techpowerup.com | Today, 05:15

NVIDIA is preparing its fifth GeForce RTX 40-series "Ada" graphics card launch in May 2023, with the GeForce RTX 4060 Ti. Red Gaming Tech reports that the company could target the USD $450 price-point with this SKU, putting it $150 below the recently launched RTX 4070, and $350 below the RTX 4070 Ti. The RTX 4060 Ti is expect to nearly max-out the 5 nm "AD106" silicon, the same one that powers the RTX 4070 Laptop GPU. While the notebook chip maxes it out, featuring all 4,608 CUDA cores physically present across its 36 SM, the desktop RTX 4060 Ti will be slightly cut down, featuring 34 SM, which work out to 4,352 CUDA cores. The "AD106" silicon features a 128-bit wide memory interface, and NVIDIA is expected to use conventional 18 Gbps-rated GDDR6 memory chips. The design goal behind the RTX 4060 Ti could be to beat the previous-generation RTX 3070, and to sneak up on the RTX 3070 Ti, while offering greater energy efficiency, and new features such as DLSS 3.

[Mr. Fox]

Regardless of red or green, be sure to choose a card that has a reference PCB design with lots of options available or one you have verified that at least one or two waterblocks is readily available for the GPU you are buying. After comparing air cooled versions of 1080 Ti, 3060, 3060 Ti, 6900 XT and 4090 GPUs to the same thing with a waterblock, I can honestly say that I absolutely despise air-cooled GPUs. I am so used to the better temperatures, better performance and reduced noise level of the watercooled GPUs that I really think that air-cooled GPUs suck real bad in comparison. Air-cooled GPUs are only good if you live in a natural freezer like Brother @Papusanbecause you can use it to reduce your heating bill. Just run a Time Spy stress test and turn off your heater.

 

After watching this video, AMD seems just as dishonest and slimy as the Green Goblin. Sign of the times.

Mister Potty-Mouth Jerk is right again. I agree with his summary, even though I wish I didn't. Last gen flagship or 4090 are the only worthy purchases. 4080 and 7900 XT/XTX bring nothing worthwhile to the table. "Just because I want one" is the only reason to buy one. Otherwise, save money on a 6900 XT or 3090/3090 Ti or buy a 4090 (even the cheapest one available) if you want something special. The stuff in between is a waste of money... higher price tag, tiny bump in performance.

 

[Papusan]

On 4/18/2023 at 6:01 AM, Mr. Fox said:

Regardless of red or green, be sure to choose a card that has a reference PCB design with lots of options available or one you have verified that at least one or two waterblocks is readily available for the GPU you are buying.

Have a older custom OC 7970 from Gigabyte without  reference PCB design. You can't even use custom vbios or mod the bios with higher voltage. Custom PCB can hit both ways. Be sure the card can be used the way you want. 

 

Yep, he is spot on from 26:25 There is only one card worth buy from this new gen graphics cards. The rest is wasted silicon😎

[Clamibot]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Did you try Safe Mode? I have randomly seen weird things like this on monitors with high refresh rates. It would be interesting to see if setting the refresh to 60Hz while installing the driver and setting it back to the native refresh rate after the driver install completes would resolve it. Macrium Reflect FTW! It has saved my bacon so many times. Doing a clean install of Windows is not a big deal, but the magnitude of the tweaking and tuning work that follows can be extremely tedious and inconvenient. I do not use Windoze 10 or Winduhz 11 in a form that resembles the default slop.

I have randomly had strange things like that happen even after doing some kind of simple operation like repasting a CPU or GPU, (which did not involve physically moving the PC) or flushing the cooling system (which did involve moving the PC). Totally baffling because there has never been an identifiable explanation for it when nothing gets disturbed with the OS or drivers, or the component that decided to misbehave. Thankfully, it is not something that happens frequently.  I have seen it more with WiFi cards than anything else, usually on a laptop, which is also odd.

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I received an email update from EK support this morning to let me know that I would be receiving a tracking number shortly for a revised design die guard and cold plate.
 

I also ordered an IceMan direct die block to compare with my Supercool and EKWB once the revised design parts arrive. I won't know until I have and and can verify it, but judging from photos alone, the IceMan direct die block has both of them whipped on design and ease of use. It is like a Thermalright CPU frame with an integrated direct die block. No worries about making a mess with spilled water or using a vaccum cleaner to eliminate that issue (my handy trick, LOL) during disassembly like a Supercool block and no need to access the back of the motherboard like the EK option. And, I think it looks really nice.

I wish I could understand what is said in the Clockemup videos or it had captioned translation. Listening sounds like backward masking or an English recording played in reverse. 

Vacuum cleaner trick for context...

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Well I guess I'd be your guy if you wanted a translation in realtime then. 😁

 

What's funny is that you post these Thai overclocking videos from time to time, and I enjoy them every time you post one since I can understand what they're saying. I don't usually look for videos in languages other than english, but this guy's videos have some really good content.

 

At that point where the video starts when I clicked on it, the dude was going over the instructions on mounting the direct die waterblock. He was saying that he was putting tape on the CPU package to secure it in place before mounting the direct die waterblock. He also said to not overtighten the screws.

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Clamibot said:

 

Well I guess I'd be your guy if you wanted a translation in realtime then. 😁

 

What's funny is that you post these Thai overclocking videos from time to time, and I enjoy them every time you post one since I can understand what they're saying. I don't usually look for videos in languages other than english, but this guy's videos have some really good content.

 

At that point where the video starts when I clicked on it, the dude was going over the instructions on mounting the direct die waterblock. He was saying that he was putting tape on the CPU package to secure it in place before mounting the direct die waterblock. He also said to not overtighten the screws.

Awesome. Thank you for sharing that. Even though I have no idea what they are saying I still enjoy their videos. In some aspects it is good that I do not know because I focus more on what is shown in the video. But, then something might be said that is super important that I would not benefit from knowing. Adding the tape makes perfect sense because you do not want the CPU to be lifted out of the socket when removing the block later because you could end up damaging the pins if the CPU comes loose and falls into the socket. You might also damage the PCB with it falling, but not as likely as the pins.

 

The way words are accented in Thai and the increasing pitch at the opposite end of a spoken sentence sounds so much like backward masking to me. It is very interesting to listen to the sound of the language. It's not really any different than all of the accents here in the US other than I am clueless what they are talking about.

 

That direct die block has arrived in the US, (Compton, CA,) so I suspect it will be delivered by this weekend or sooner. If there is anything else he mentioned in the video that might be important other than what you mentioned, please let me know.

 

I bought the Apex that Brother @tps3443found to not be as good at RAM overclocking as his Unify-X and that should be here Thursday. I will go ahead and delid the 13900KF and test that IceMan direct die block at that point.

 

So, once my 13900KS on order from Provantage becomes available I am going to offer a sweet deal on the Strix Z690-E and 13900KF here in the marketplace. It is a really solid mid-range motherboard. I just hope the Z690 Apex is more reliable than the Z490 Apex I had that failed and killed my sweet 10900KF.

[Raiderman]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Asrock Taichi 7900xtx is my favorite of all the 7900xtx cards followed closely by the Nitro+ VC. Taichi has a superior PCB design (again) like their 6900xt/6950xt Formula OC. If I pick up another 7900xtx, it is definitely going to be a Taichi 7900xtx.

 

With the way prices are falling a bit, I'd wait on the 7900xtx Taichi for at least a +X off coupon from Newegg or a flat out reduction.

 

 

Agreed, I'd like to see the price around $999 for the xtx taichi.  I've been watching it daily to see if there has been any price fluctuations.

[Mr. Fox]

Another example of how simple things can sometimes be pretty sweet...

 

The PCIe slot passthrough fitting bracket that I was using was so flimsy. I really didn't like it much. Just the tension on the lines leaving the DG-86 chassis was enough to bend the flimsy bracket.

 

I found this slick 2-slot PCIe bracket designed for mounting dual 40mm fans and mounted the passthrough fittings in that. Much stronger and nicer. It is thicker metal, plus being a 2-slot bracket versus 1-slot added a ton of structural integrity to it. 

 

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

So, once my 13900KS on order from Provantage becomes available

Didn't you order an embargo unit (presumably an unverifiable property of the CPU)? How are they going to get more in stock? I don't think Intel is going to re-embargo the CPUs for Provantage to be able to fulfill their orders? 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, Etern4l said:

Didn't you order an embargo unit (presumably an unverifiable property of the CPU)? How are they going to get more in stock? I don't think Intel is going to re-embargo the CPUs for Provantage to be able to fulfill their orders? 

I did but the distributor would not fulfill the order for a quantity of one CPU. They would only sell full tray, so I am waiting for boxed retail 13900KS stock to come in. I have pre-ordered that, so now we wait.

 

I might sell just the mobo rather than wait to offer the CPU as a combo.

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I did but the distributor would not fulfill the order for a quantity of one CPU. They would only sell full tray, so I am waiting for boxed retail 13900KS stock to come in. I have pre-ordered that, so now we wait.

 

I might sell just the mobo rather than wait to offer the CPU as a combo.

Indeed, looks like there is a shortage of 13900KS and even 13900K prices jumped up lol. 

[Mr. Fox]

12 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

Indeed, looks like there is a shortage of 13900KS and even 13900K prices jumped out. 

Yes. The only ones available for purchase are from scalpers. It's unfortunates that silly people validate their existence by purchasing their overpriced goods. I'd love to see that trend come unraveled and all of them end up forced to sell everything at a loss and ultimately go out of business.

 

I also wish that legitimate companies like NewEgg and Amazon would discontinue their "marketplace" crap, or require that all marketplace sellers cap their prices at a value not to exceed 3% of the "sold and shipped by" NewEgg and Amazon prices. They are feeding the dragon by allowing them to use their platform. The cheapest scalper on NewEgg is more than $150 greater than the NewEgg price on the out-of-stock CPU. And yes, there are dummies that pay that price. That's why all of the scalpers haven't already died yet.

[electrosoft]

9 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Agreed, I'd like to see the price around $999 for the xtx taichi.  I've been watching it daily to see if there has been any price fluctuations.

 

I would definitely wait. XTX prices are only going to continue to head down a touch.

 

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

Indeed, looks like there is a shortage of 13900KS and even 13900K prices jumped up lol. 

 

Best Buy has 13900k's for $569 on sale available. They've been there for awhile. They opted to not carry the 13900KS this time around (boo!).

 

Amazon too at $569

 

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes. The only ones available for purchase are from scalpers. It's unfortunates that silly people validate their existence by purchasing their overpriced goods. I'd love to see that trend come unraveled and all of them end up forced to sell everything at a loss and ultimately go out of business.

 

I also wish that legitimate companies like NewEgg and Amazon would discontinue their "marketplace" crap, or require that all marketplace sellers cap their prices at a value not to exceed 3% of the "sold and shipped by" NewEgg and Amazon prices. They are feeding the dragon by allowing them to use their platform. The cheapest scalper on NewEgg is more than $150 greater than the NewEgg price on the out-of-stock CPU. And yes, there are dummies that pay that price. That's why all of the scalpers haven't already died yet.

 

There is no way Amazon and Newegg (and even Walmart) aren't going to have their cake and eat it too. The idea of selling out of their own product to re-sellers and profit then turn around and have them offer them jacked up to get their marketplace cut is easy money on the table. If they didn't offer a Marketplace those re-sellers would just run to eBay/StockX/etc... and sell them there. It comes down to the consumer to exercise fiscal restraint (we say behind our 4090s lol) when gouging and scalping are clearly taking place.

 

I've never bought from a scalper or gouger and I never will. I will wait or not buy. I don't need anything that badly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

41 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

There is no way Amazon and Newegg (and even Walmart) aren't going to have their cake and eat it too. The idea of selling out of their own product to re-sellers and profit then turn around and have them offer them jacked up to get their marketplace cut is easy money on the table. If they didn't offer a Marketplace those re-sellers would just run to eBay/StockX/etc... and sell them there. It comes down to the consumer to exercise fiscal restraint (we say behind our 4090s lol) when gouging and scalping are clearly taking place.

Even those of us that splurged on a 4090 at the appropriate pseudo MSRP exercised restraint. I could have purchase a 4090 any time I wanted at scalper prices. I waited until I could buy it at the "correct" inflated price. I did not accept the "inflated inflated" scalper price. I also do not trust the marketplace losers. I am sure they are not 100% all horrible, but I am not interested in finding out which ones deserve a fair shake. If you look at feedback ratings, it is very rare to find one with feedback to be proud of. Most are below 80% positive. If you can't trust someone to sell you the product at an appropriate price, then you simply can't trust them at all. They are not trustworthy and they do not deserve to receive enough money from sales to remain solvent. They need to find another work, (a new scam, LOL) and we should all do our parts to help them fail epically hard as scalpers.

41 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I've never bought from a scalper or gouger and I never will. I will wait or not buy. I don't need anything that badly.

Same here.

 

Amazon and NewEgg should require that their marketplace scalpers that sell products at a price greater than 3% of the in-house price provide an all-expense paid, unconditional, return for full refund policy for 90 days from the date of purchase that is backed by the marketplace owner with a contractual obligation for the marketplace scalper to indemnify the marketplace owner. Meaning that if the scalper drops the ball, NewEgg or Amazon are on the hook to make it right and then they go after the scalper with a vicious bloodlust to get their money back. That would separate the legit scalpers from the fly-by-night crooks.

 

There is no nice way to spin it. If they are buying product from Amazon and NewEgg and immediately selling it to another customer at a higher price on the same web site it is a dishonorable profession and their scalper business deserves to fail. I also think that business practice should be made illegal. We burn too many calories making laws and regulations about things that do not matter, but we put up with stupid scam shenanigans like this. That's messed up.