*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

And.....they're out of stock again. 🙂

 

 

That is just insane! Well anyone who didn’t grab one has another 3-6 months for the next batch I suppose. 

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Yep, I figured out that there is different taxes depending on where you live in U.S. As well where you live in the State. And thanks 🙂

 

But you have an advantage... The valuta exchange rate. We pay quite a lot for this. Everything is valued after USD and some cases Euro. Always with an disadvantage for a small valuta as Norwegian NKR.

5 US States Without a Statewide Sales Tax - The Balance

 

Edit. Here for EU 2023 VAT Rates in Europe - Tax Foundation (Norway 25%). The worst is Hungary with 27%.

My taxes are 6.75% I believe. I am in North Carolina. Very rarely do I order something online from another state, and they don’t tax me lol. Some odd ball places do not though.

 

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Yes sir. I happen to be looking at different Apex boards when I got the email and clicked and ordered.😂

That’s amazing. I’d say you got lucky then. Watch your CPU voltage when overclocking memory to higher levels 7800+ range. I left my 13900KS on stock clocks/auto voltages which was stable for any CPU stress test. But I couldn’t stabilize anything for my ram at all beyond 7800+. I was pulling my hair out trying to find the issue. I thought I had broke my motherboard with a FW/Bios update. Turns out, my cpu running stock with auto voltage was actually limiting my max stable memory overclock even though my CPU voltage was on auto/stock and 100% stable. 
 

My board is veryyy nice. Running like a champ now that I figured that out. I have some new Hynix 2x24GB rams that’ll be here tomorrow for it.

 

So I overclocked cpu first then ram good to go 🤷‍♂️

[Papusan]

This is how Nvidia force you to upgrade your 1-2 years old graphics cards...Cripple the products in worst possible way as etc cut costs to the bone. And we see the same happen again with the successor the 4070@$600. Buy mid range cards from Nvidia is probably the worst purchase you can do. On top you pay loads more for less cuda cores.

 

16GB RTX 3070 Mod Shows Impressive Performance Gains

This GPU really is handicapped with its default 8GB configuration.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/3070-16gb-mod

 

The original card was operating at just one (yes one) FPS 1% low and 0.1% FPS lows, while the 16GB card operated with 60 and 40 FPS respectively. Average frame rates also went up, from 54 to 71 FPS.

[electrosoft]

De8auer following up with AMD bulge/burn issues. Non X3D chips also hit. Asus official statement:

 

 

 

 

[Rage Set]

Not looking good at all....

 

https://www.tipranks.com/news/intel-slumps-on-sapphire-rapids-troubles

 

Quote

Those who were looking for the Sapphire Rapids chip to solve Intel’s momentum troubles just had their hopes dashed. Intel’s slumping a bit in Monday afternoon trading as the new chip is hitting a sluggish patch of demand. Worse, it’s not likely to improve any time soon. Word from Ming-Chi Kuo with TF International Securities says that demand is showing up weak at best for the new Sapphire Rapids server chip.

 

The question is can Intel and AMD move against the tidal wave that is ARM? Enterprise is going to be crazy for the next two to three years before everything stabilizes. Intel may end up around 50 or worse, less than 50 percent of the server market. 

 

If you don't think this will affect how Intel competes in other markets, think again.  

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

De8auer following up with AMD bulge/burn issues. Non X3D chips also hit. Asus official statement:

 

 

See my previous post. Bolded text.... i wonder how many have half damaged 7000 series AMD Ryzen chips. Then compare with his findings... I'm quite sure there is quite a few half damaged chips out there.

On 4/23/2023 at 12:13 AM, Papusan said:

If this is a Asus bios problem. I wonder how many have a half fried (half fry) X3D Ryzen chips that will die in the coming months (updated firmware don't fix half-fried Ryzen chips😎)

[johnksss]

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

That is just insane! Well anyone who didn’t grab one has another 3-6 months for the next batch I suppose. 

 

My taxes are 6.75% I believe. I am in North Carolina. Very rarely do I order something online from another state, and they don’t tax me lol. Some odd ball places do not though.

 

That’s amazing. I’d say you got lucky then. Watch your CPU voltage when overclocking memory to higher levels 7800+ range. I left my 13900KS on stock clocks/auto voltages which was stable for any CPU stress test. But I couldn’t stabilize anything for my ram at all beyond 7800+. I was pulling my hair out trying to find the issue. I thought I had broke my motherboard with a FW/Bios update. Turns out, my cpu running stock with auto voltage was actually limiting my max stable memory overclock even though my CPU voltage was on auto/stock and 100% stable. 
 

My board is veryyy nice. Running like a champ now that I figured that out. I have some new Hynix 2x24GB rams that’ll be here tomorrow for it.

 

So I overclocked cpu first then ram good to go 🤷‍♂️

Says my new to me board should be here tomorrow.

[tps3443]

1 minute ago, johnksss said:

Says my new to me board should be here tomorrow.

That’s extremely quick. How does that even happen? Lol. 

[johnksss]

5 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

That’s extremely quick. How does that even happen? Lol. 

Means they had some boards in California plus I ordered over night shipping. And I ordered this morning. Plenty of time to catch the first FedEx truck for pickup.🙂

[Mr. Fox]

9 hours ago, Talon said:

Sounds like AMD rushed these out the door without proper validation. 

Isn't that the new normal now? I mean, isn't selling broken trash to early adopters how they do it now? First Z690 Apex boards were trash. The Strix 4090 was garbage. The EK Velocity2 direct die block cools like a CPU with an IHS on it, 4070 is a downgrade for 3080 owners... to name just a few.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

The Strix 4090 was garbage.

 

Damn good deal. But who would sell a brand new unused card on the used mmarket and loose near $670 vs the webstore price? He say he could of course send the card back to the Store but he is in need for the money now. Sure

 

Translated...

 

Brand new ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4090 White Edition OC sold due to bought the wrong color and need money 🙂
(ps. I know I can send it back, but I need money, my wallet is a bit tight now, so I'd rather take the loss on my coat:)

 

The price is 80$ below a 4080 Strix OC in same color (the best price - the rest of the stores will charge a lot more for the 4080).

 

 

Ps. Look at this old beauty. I have always wanted a MSI Lightning card. I have asked if the card is available for fast shippeing and have the original package and content. GTX 680 Lightning. $100 

 

Such card offer more value for me than newer and more modern cards meant for modern times and newer games (has the collector value). + I can game with it - Yep older games 🙂 I'm happy with older things. Don't need to be the newest.

[Mr. Fox]

18 hours ago, johnksss said:

We use to not have to pay sales tax when ordering out of state, but that has long since changed. And Newegg has a hub in California as well. So we always paid tax unless tax exempt, which I discontinued with them a long time ago.

 

And when I was talking about warranty it was more of the Miicrocenter warranty than the manufactures warranty. I would rather have my money back to buy something else than an out of date motherboard fixed in two years time. We have the standard 3 years warranty on most motherboards.

 

 

My tax rate is 7.775% where I live and others pay as high as 10.750% in California.

Plus, if it craps out you can go back to Microcenter and leave with a refund or replacement rather than fart around with the imbeciles at Asus for 2 to 6 weeks only to get a sketchy replacement or be lied to about having bent pins so they can shirk their obligations. Current price in light of the above is about double what one is worth. For $700 it should at least include a pre-paid shipping label and expedited cross ship RMA warranty.

[johnksss]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Plus, if it craps out you can go back to Microcenter and leave with a refund or replacement rather than fart around with the imbeciles at Asus for 2 to 6 weeks only to get a sketchy replacement or be lied to about having bent pins so they can shirk their obligations. Current price in light of the above is about double what one is worth. For $700 it should at least include a pre-paid shipping label and expedited cross ship RMA warranty.

Seems you have to have a server product for that....

https://www.asus.com/us/support/article/828/

[Mr. Fox]

55 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Seems you have to have a server product for that....

https://www.asus.com/us/support/article/828/

Yup, that's what they told me when I questioned them about it on my first of numerous motherboard failures. After a couple of events where I had to pay to ship and wait... and wait... and wait... is when I decided the EVGA Dark was really the only one that is worthy of being purchased. What they lack in the way of quality control, they somehow manage to more than make up for in painfully slow service and lousy customer care. If they cross ship a replacement, they lose the opportunity to fabricate reasons to deny your warranty.

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Really like the IceMan direct die block. Well made. Easy to install. Works well. Looks good. Costs little. I'd call that a victory. It made a huge improvement. It didn't magically convert my average silicon bin 13900KF flamethrower into a lottery winner, and it didn't make this Z690 Apex sample any less crummy at memory overclocking, but it kept its hair from catching on fire.

Before the IceMan came to town, CBR23 used to error out, thermal shut down or throw a BSOD due to rapid overheating with the same BIOS settings. I'm tempted to order another one to replace the Supercool direct die block since this is less messy and a whole lot simpler to take apart.

[johnksss]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yup, that's what they told me when I questioned them about it on my first of numerous motherboard failures. After a couple of events where I had to pay to ship and wait... and wait... and wait... is when I decided the EVGA Dark was really the only one that is worthy of being purchased. What they lack in the way of quality control, they somehow manage to more than make up for in painfully slow service and lousy customer care. If they cross ship a replacement, they lose the opportunity to fabricate reasons to deny your warranty.

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Really like the IceMan direct die block. Well made. Easy to install. Works well. Looks good. Costs little. I'd call that a victory. It made a huge improvement. It didn't magically convert my average silicon bin 13900KF flamethrower into a lottery winner, and it didn't make this Z690 Apex sample any less crummy at memory overclocking, but it kept its hair from catching on fire.

 

Not sure I would like the alternative though...Gaining the ability to charge you for CID and or voiding all future warranties after that point going forward on that particular board. At least MSI did pay for the shipping the last few times the board went back to them. I do not think Asus ever did that for me. I can't really remember now.

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yup, that's what they told me when I questioned them about it on my first of numerous motherboard failures. After a couple of events where I had to pay to ship and wait... and wait... and wait... is when I decided the EVGA Dark was really the only one that is worthy of being purchased. What they lack in the way of quality control, they somehow manage to more than make up for in painfully slow service and lousy customer care. If they cross ship a replacement, they lose the opportunity to fabricate reasons to deny your warranty.

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Really like the IceMan direct die block. Well made. Easy to install. Works well. Looks good. Costs little. I'd call that a victory. It made a huge improvement. It didn't magically convert my average silicon bin 13900KF flamethrower into a lottery winner, and it didn't make this Z690 Apex sample any less crummy at memory overclocking, but it kept its hair from catching on fire.

Before the IceMan came to town, CBR23 used to error out, thermal shut down or throw a BSOD due to rapid overheating with the same BIOS settings. I'm tempted to order another one to replace the Supercool direct die block since this is less messy and a whole lot simpler to take apart.

Motherboard looks really nice. 

[Mr. Fox]

53 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Motherboard looks really nice. 

Thank you. Even though that is my work computer, it's getting sharper-looking with age.  Except for when I do some AMD GPU benching, it leads a pretty mundane existence. I am going to redo the lines on both systems so I can move the chiller from one system to the other, and move the GPUs back and forth between systems with QDC fittings oriented in such a way that it's an easy, dripless and toolless, modular plug and play operation. 

[Tenoroon]

I know this may not be the best place to ask, but I was reading the old P870TM-R thread on the archive, and heard that the vapor chamber needs to be modified to get the Turing cards to fit right. What exactly needs to be cut in order to get them to fit? I have a feeling that some of the VRAM plate needs to be dremelled away, but I might be entirely wrong. Does anyone have any pictures saved anywhere or remember the rough area that I would need to cut?

[tps3443]

New 2x24GB sticks are here. 🤩

 

Cool 48 gigs of ram!! 

[Talon]

11 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

New 2x24GB sticks are here. 🤩

 

Cool 48 gigs of ram!! 

 

Curious to see how far you can push them. Are they dual rank or single? I've got my Dual Rank setup at 7466 CL34 64gb of DDR5. I love it. 

[Etern4l]

13 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

New 2x24GB sticks are here. 🤩

 

Cool 48 gigs of ram!! 

 

Awesome, let us know how it performs. That's the new Hynix presumably? (Micron also came out with chips powering the new 24/48 GB modules).

[electrosoft]

32 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

I know this may not be the best place to ask, but I was reading the old P870TM-R thread on the archive, and heard that the vapor chamber needs to be modified to get the Turing cards to fit right. What exactly needs to be cut in order to get them to fit? I have a feeling that some of the VRAM plate needs to be dremelled away, but I might be entirely wrong. Does anyone have any pictures saved anywhere or remember the rough area that I would need to cut?

 

I remember @johnksss had posted some of the earliest pictures of the dremel work needed to be done on the heatsink to make it work with 2000 series he performed on his own unit.

 

 

[electrosoft]

Apple M1 $4k hardware getting smashed by a $2k buildout Hackintosh.... (if you price shop you could probably go even cheaper or squeeze in a 6900xt over the 6800xt) and/or go 13900k).

 

Of course energy efficiency wise Apple rules the roost if you care about such things...

 

 

[tps3443]

45 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Curious to see how far you can push them. Are they dual rank or single? I've got my Dual Rank setup at 7466 CL34 64gb of DDR5. I love it. 

OMG they are delicious bro lol. I went in the bios set XMP Tweaked to 7200CL38. Then before even rebooting I bumped them to the same specs as the DDR5 8000 bigger brother sticks lol. So that’s DDR5 8000 CL40-48-48-48-127 with only 1.350V and they are just marvelous (HWinfo shows 1.335V VDD/VDDQ) And running like 27C-29C with fan. They feel too easy to tune so far. 😬

 

I would say so far probably just grab the DDR5 7200 sticks are amazing. Especially on air cooling. They are so sweet! 

 

I originally ordered the 2x24GB 8000 set but I cancelled and grabbed the 2x24GB 7200. Because (3) different people told me they were the same lol, and it’s looking that way so far. I imagine Hynix has not shortage of these  new dies lol. Or grab the 8000’s.
 

I’m extremely happy so far though. I have a lot more dialing in to do. But DDR5 8000 with 1.35V and auto everything else? Lol. Yep! Sign me up. 
 

44 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

Awesome, let us know how it performs. That's the new Hynix presumably? (Micron also came out with chips powering the new 24/48 GB modules).

Yes these are the new 3rd gen Hynix from what I understand. I’m so happy with how user friendly they are and finding stability right out of the gate, then I can just tune and optimize from here. These are single rank sticks so 3x8Gbit sized module on each dimm I believe? Solid solid solid!!

[Papusan]

AMD Ryzen 7000 Burning Out: EXPO and SoC Voltages to Blame (AMD Responds)
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7000-burning-out-root-cause-identified-expo-and-soc-voltages-to-blame

 

Update 4/25/2022, 10:41 am PT: AMD has responded to the numerous reports of chip failures with a short statement acknowledging that claims do exist and that the company is investigating. The statement confirms that AMD is working with its ODM partners (motherboard makers) to ensure safe voltage settings are applied to its Ryzen 7000X3D CPUs, but doesn't name the specific actions that it is taking:

"We are aware of a limited number of reports online claiming that excess voltage while overclocking may have damaged the motherboard socket and pin pads. We are actively investigating the situation and are working with our ODM partners to ensure voltages applied to Ryzen 7000X3D CPUs via motherboard BIOS settings are within product specifications. Anyone whose CPU may have been impacted by this issue should contact AMD customer support." -- AMD Spokesperson to Tom's Hardware.

Notably, the statement does not acknowledge the multiple reports of failures with standard Ryzen 7000 processors. ASUS has also issued a statement, clarifying that it will issue firmwares that limit SoC voltage to 1.3V.

 

So who will pay for the damaged MB and fried V-cashe chips? Lets say 1/2 year forwards (those that don't know about the problem and live in a sweet dream that nothing is wrong with their AM5 platform) ?

 

Guru3d.com... This issue impacts all motherboard brands and is not covered under warranty. AMD is working diligently to rectify the situation and is expected to release an official statement in the near future.

[electrosoft]

11 minutes ago, Papusan said:

AMD Ryzen 7000 Burning Out: EXPO and SoC Voltages to Blame (AMD Responds)
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7000-burning-out-root-cause-identified-expo-and-soc-voltages-to-blame

 

Update 4/25/2022, 10:41 am PT: AMD has responded to the numerous reports of chip failures with a short statement acknowledging that claims do exist and that the company is investigating. The statement confirms that AMD is working with its ODM partners (motherboard makers) to ensure safe voltage settings are applied to its Ryzen 7000X3D CPUs, but doesn't name the specific actions that it is taking:

"We are aware of a limited number of reports online claiming that excess voltage while overclocking may have damaged the motherboard socket and pin pads. We are actively investigating the situation and are working with our ODM partners to ensure voltages applied to Ryzen 7000X3D CPUs via motherboard BIOS settings are within product specifications. Anyone whose CPU may have been impacted by this issue should contact AMD customer support." -- AMD Spokesperson to Tom's Hardware.

Notably, the statement does not acknowledge the multiple reports of failures with standard Ryzen 7000 processors. ASUS has also issued a statement, clarifying that it will issue firmwares that limit SoC voltage to 1.3V.

 

So who will pay for the damaged MB and fried V-cashe chips? Lets say 1/2 year forwards (those that don't know about the problem and live in a sweet dream that nothing is wrong with their AM5 platform) ?

 

Guru3d... This issue impacts all motherboard brands and is not covered under warranty. AMD is working diligently to rectify the situation and is expected to release an official statement in the near future.

 

I was following this earlier and the initial recommendation is SOC = 1.25v but it looks like Asus is setting to 1.3v?

 

Either way, I set mine to 1.25v earlier and re-tested with TM5 and WMD and no problems but I only run my memory at 6000.

 

I won't upgrade or change my BIOS in the fears MSI was overzealous in their restrictions while I continue to tune my memory and then PBO.