*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[johnksss]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Great results! How’s the Apex treating you? I think not bad for the money! It’s like only $699.99 compared to the Z790 Dark $799.99. 
 

I’m loving mine man, especially with these 2x24GB dimms. Stabilizing 8200 on air cooling was a walk in the park with only 1.350V. Passes right through Ant777 extreme. I’m not quite done yet, I’ve just been too busy this week for any serious tuning.

 

I may be able to get 8400 on air cooling. This is hopeful thinking. But these 2x24 sticks don’t run quite as tight timings as traditional 2x16 kits, so faster speeds are much easier I think.

I actually haven't had real time to sit and play with it. I just kind of boot it and run some random stuff while working on other projects.

Really, I didn't see you post those pictures of the stability using Ant777 or I must have missed it.

 

I have yet to do any sort of tuning what so ever. Like now for instance. I just set this and ran it to see if it was stable after a clear cmos. Sorry for the crazy resolution as I have a GTS250 in there making sure it works.

 

I set 38/48/48/125/1.45vdimm/everything else auto with trefi at 32767/auto. I like to see what it is actually doing vs being a gazillion hours stable, but runs about as fast as a 1986 first year Hyundai. I want to be 1 hour stable and run like a Koenigsegg Jesko Absolut.🤣

 

Edit:

Tried to run 1.4vdimm and no dice. errors after 4 seconds.

 

Also, loving the Apex over the Unify-X so far.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Jufes rambling about AMD.  @Mr. Fox From 16:10 or just see the whole video. But I don't think you will be more tempted going with the Red's HW forwards😀 MVP =.........

 

They've been a minimum viable company for as long as I know, so it makes sense that they sell a minimum viable product. There's just not any way to slice it that doesn't suck. But no, my surprised look is not on my face. And, it's not an a-ha moment. It's only confirmation of what it felt like all along.

 

It certainly can't be said that I am overly biased or unfair because I've given them more chances than I've given any other brand or company. Ever. Far more than they deserve. I have wanted for them to be successful. Yet, they always leave me with a degree of disappoint about something. They just can't do anything fantastic. Greatness is not in their fabric, and whatever they have a small win with, they offset the winning with screw-ups and blunders. 

 

Excuse me for being a skeptic. I'm so mean and hateful, aren't I?

 

Maybe a good place for them to start, if they ever want to be great, is to stop hiring losers to occupy executive positions within the company.

[Papusan]

33 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

They've been a minimum viable company for as long as I know, so it makes sense that they sell a minimum viable product. There's just not any way to slice it that doesn't suck. But no, my surprised look is not on my face. And, it's not an a-ha moment. It's only confirmation of what it felt like all along.

 

Excuse me for being a skeptic. I'm so mean and hateful, aren't I?

 

Maybe a good place for them to start, if they ever want to be great, is to stop hiring losers to occupy executive positions within the company.

I doub't this will help. AMD do it the Microsoft way. Cut costs where they can and let the customers be their unpaid guinea pig. And smaller companies vs the bigger brothers often cut costs to grow. And AMD is Intel and Nvidia's little sister. They want their share of the cake. Maybe it will change if people stop buying their products. I think this is the only "viable"solution/way for this problem. Just don't buy their products. Sorry @Raiderman @electrosoft but their QC and QM is awful🙂

[Mr. Fox]

39 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I doub't this will help. AMD do it the Microsoft way. Cut costs where they can and let the customers be their unpaid guinea pig. And smaller companies vs the bigger brothers often cut costs to grow. And AMD is Intel and Nvidia's little sister. They want their share of the cake. Maybe it will change if people stop buying their products. I think this is the only "viable"solution/way for this problem. Just don't buy their products. Sorry @Raiderman @electrosoft but their QC and QM is awful🙂

It is a flawed belief system to think that being in the competition qualifies one with a mantle of greatness. To actually pursue production of a minimum viable product reveals a character flaw in a value system that is built upon doing only enough to get by, not winning, and only doing enough to keep the hook set in the jaw of consumers that are chuffed by the experience of cheering the underdog. An underlying desire to "stick it to the man" is something most of us can identify with. The idea here being that Intel and Nvidia are "The Man" that deserves being stuck. The unfortunate irony here is that the only man getting "stuck" is the one giving their money to the underdog (aka loser) in the fight.

 

I don't like this. It really bothers me and I wish it were not this way. But I'm not going to pretend otherwise. It is what it is. I'm not interested in using my own money to be part of a social experiment, and I am not keen on the notion of making purchases on the basis that it serves a hypothetical good cause.

 

I opt out of ESG investment opportunities using the same line of  reason. I want my retirement money to be used to benefit me exclusively. I am not interested in allowing a diminished return for the furtherance or betterment of someone, or a group of someones,  funding their own special agenda using my money. The only worthy cause is me. It's my money. Business is not a charitable endeavor.

[electrosoft]

57 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I doub't this will help. AMD do it the Microsoft way. Cut costs where they can and let the customers be their unpaid guinea pig. And smaller companies vs the bigger brothers often cut costs to grow. And AMD is Intel and Nvidia's little sister. They want their share of the cake. Maybe it will change if people stop buying their products. I think this is the only "viable"solution/way for this problem. Just don't buy their products. Sorry @Raiderman @electrosoft but their QC and QM is awful🙂

 

If an SOC setting is the only problem that has been addressed, I can live with that. This does remind of the 5000 series and how subsequent AGESA releases neutered +mhz boost options and other things as time passed.

 

Am I skeptical because of the 5000 series debacle? Sure. Having to neuter the SOC already due to "bulges" doesn't breed confidence but I'll give AMD (yet) another chance.

 

Right now, I finished tightening up subs and turn arounds 6000 along with PBO solidly at -30 for a mild OC from 4824 all core stock to 4974-5000 in CB23 and I've had no problems on the test rig what so ever with the 7800X3D. The 7950X3D is still sealed sitting on the table awaiting its turn if needed. If @tps3443 gets the time maybe drop those new G.Skill sticks down to 6000, 6200, and 6400 and see if they can  do CL28-32-32-30 which would make them a compelling option to replace these M dies.

 

I just upgraded my Strix Z690 D4 to 2305 and suddenly I can now run C15 on those 4000 sticks no problem where they borked out every time before so I went back through and re-cert my timings on them too and tightened them down even further. WoW runs are looking even better than before months ago with the 12900k.

 

If the 7800X3D brings nothing to the table, I'll return it and the 7950X3D unopened. If I like what I see, I'll crack open the 7950X3D and keep most likely the 7950X3D and return the 7800X3D.

 

 

[electrosoft]

I moved the Suprim X Liquid 4090 into my test rig with the 7800X3D after doing some test runs. I also hooked up my cablemod EVGA cable for the first time and as soon as WoW would load in (I was in Valdrakken, the CPU slayer) the entire system would keep shutting down. I switched to the included cable and it ran perfect so I'll be reaching out to Cablemod.

 

Well the 7800X3D is clearly superior to the 12900k especially in player heavy areas. Long bench is flight across the entire Dragonflight continent and back. Short run time is a run around Valdrakken (main town square around circle). 7800X3D run actually had many more players since it was evening and still beat the 12900k.

 

In Valdrakken GPU load was usually around 50% with the 12900k. 7800X3D managed to push that up to ~65-72%.

 

During flight runs there were areas where the GPU for the first time had pockets of hitting 99% utilization (!). Something the 12900k never saw.

 

M-Die = 6000

B-Die = 4000 (G1)

12900k = 5.2 all P-Core locked

7800X3D = -30 PBO / +25 mhz boost avg clock = ~5075

 

AMD has earned the right to go into my main rig and lives to see another day. 🙂

 

MSI AB Benchmark logs:

 

[cylix]

43 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I moved the Suprim X Liquid 4090 into my test rig with the 7800X3D after doing some test runs. I also hooked up my cablemod EVGA cable for the first time and as soon as WoW would load in (I was in Valdrakken, the CPU slayer) the entire system would keep shutting down. I switched to the included cable and it ran perfect so I'll be reaching out to Cablemod.

 

Well the 7800X3D is clearly superior to the 12900k especially in player heavy areas. Long bench is flight across the entire Dragonflight continent and back. Short run time is a run around Valdrakken (main town square around circle). 7800X3D run actually had many more players since it was evening and still beat the 12900k.

 

In Valdrakken GPU load was usually around 50% with the 12900k. 7800X3D managed to push that up to ~65-72%.

 

During flight runs there were areas where the GPU for the first time had pockets of hitting 99% utilization (!). Something the 12900k never saw.

 

M-Die = 6000

B-Die = 4000 (G1)

12900k = 5.2 all P-Core locked

7800X3D = -30 PBO / +25 mhz boost avg clock = ~5075

 

AMD has earned the right to go into my main rig and lives to see another day. 🙂

 

MSI AB Benchmark logs:

 

Nice, well be interesting to see the 7950x3d in action if it can best it. What voltages do you have in the dimms for that timmings? MSI launched yesterday new bios still beta but they Adress the voltage Problem and bring also support for the new 24 and 48 gig rams. Did you see?

 

"By following the mitigation from AMD, fix CPU SoC voltage upper limit for Ryzen 7000X3D and non-X3D series CPU, which might affect the performance of certain EXPO memory modules. - Support 48/24GB high density DDR5 memory module."


MEG X670E GODLIKE: 7D68v152(Beta version)
MEG X670E ACE: 7D69v182(Beta version)
MPG X670E CARBON WIFI: 7D70v172(Beta version)
PRO X670-P WIFI: 7D67v192
MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFI: 7E12v133(Beta version)
MPG B650 CARBON WIFI: 7D74v152(Beta version)
B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI: -
MPG B650 EDGE WIFI: 7E10v162(Beta version)
MPG B650I EDGE WIFI: 7D73v132(Beta version)
MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI: 7D75v162(Beta version)
PRO A620M-E: -
MAG B650M MORTAR WIFI: 7D76vA51(Beta version)

[Papusan]

44 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I moved the Suprim X Liquid 4090 into my test rig with the 7800X3D after doing some test runs. I also hooked up my cablemod EVGA cable for the first time and as soon as WoW would load in (I was in Valdrakken, the CPU slayer) the entire system would keep shutting down. I switched to the included cable and it ran perfect so I'll be reaching out to Cablemod.

Yep, and you are not the only one. Sad the QC at CableMod is so bad. Most people had to use the hated cable salad from the GPU package to find it out (weird black screens and shut downs). And sometimes it worked then the problem come and go. 

[electrosoft]

49 minutes ago, cylix said:

Nice, well be interesting to see the 7950x3d in action if it can best it. What voltages do you have in the dimms for that timmings? MSI launched yesterday new bios still beta but they Adress the voltage Problem and bring also support for the new 24 and 48 gig rams. Did you see?

 

"By following the mitigation from AMD, fix CPU SoC voltage upper limit for Ryzen 7000X3D and non-X3D series CPU, which might affect the performance of certain EXPO memory modules. - Support 48/24GB high density DDR5 memory module."


MEG X670E GODLIKE: 7D68v152(Beta version)
MEG X670E ACE: 7D69v182(Beta version)
MPG X670E CARBON WIFI: 7D70v172(Beta version)
PRO X670-P WIFI: 7D67v192
MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFI: 7E12v133(Beta version)
MPG B650 CARBON WIFI: 7D74v152(Beta version)
B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI: -
MPG B650 EDGE WIFI: 7E10v162(Beta version)
MPG B650I EDGE WIFI: 7D73v132(Beta version)
MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI: 7D75v162(Beta version)
PRO A620M-E: -
MAG B650M MORTAR WIFI: 7D76vA51(Beta version)

 

I saw it but I wanted to hold off till I finish collecting more data. My dimms are at 1.35v but according to AMD (giggle) the BIOS and AGESA updates shouldn't effect EXPO or manual Vmem but we'll see. I still have SOC at 1.25v so if I want to push a little before or after the BIOS update I have some room.

 

I just finished an extended FO76 play session on the 7800X3D so I'll switch back to the 12900k and repeat the extended play session tomorrow because you know....science. 🙂

 

Since worse case is keeping the 7800X3D, after I collect one last set of data from the 12900k I'm going to spend an afternoon for the overhaul and MB upgrade, etc. I'll swap in the 7950X3D then along with a clean install.

 

It will also give me a chance to confirm my LF II 420 is in the recall window and address that and potentially move the EVGA AIO in the main rig while I sort that out.

 

47 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Yep, and you are not the only one. Sad the QC at CableMod is so bad. Most people had to use the hated cable salad from the GPU package to find it out (weird black screens and shut downs). And sometimes it worked then the problem come and go. 

 

It worked under lighter loads in FO76 (I'm sure if I ran around and went to some of the big open spaces that pull 300w+ it would have shut down) or dialing down the details. As soon as I cranked up WoW to 4k Ultra....shut down every time.

 

I've had it for awhile now so it is outside of its return window so I'll need a replacement. Hopefully they worked on a 2.0 revision.

 

[Etern4l]

Does anyone have the 96GB 6400 G.Skill sticks yet? They are pretty insane, and priced accordingly at +50% over Corsair Vengeance 5600 lol (although I'm sure some of that is just a launch tax).

They do 5600 at 1.1V.... I'm curious what the JEDEC timings look like at that frequency.

The QVL only states compatibility with Z790 although not clear why they wouldn't be compatible with Z690.

[Raiderman]

Getting some baseline benching with a mild overclock. This thing is pretty beastly! Great looking card, and well built.

Still have some cable cleaning up to do, waiting for my 180 degree connectors to come in. Looking at my rig pic, I am wondering where I am going to put the D5 pump/reservoir 😞

The polychrome RGB software is great as well. Set it and forget it. Unlike the Gskill, or MSI filth that needs to run in order to maintain your choice in colors. It doesnt even stay running as a process, that I can find.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Getting some baseline benching with a mild overclock. This thing is pretty beastly! Great looking card, and well built.

Still have some cable cleaning up to do, waiting for my 180 degree connectors to come in. Looking at my rig pic, I am wondering where I am going to put the D5 pump/reservoir 😞

The polychrome RGB software is great as well. Set it and forget it. Unlike the Gskill, or MSI filth that needs to run in order to maintain your choice in colors. It doesnt even stay running as a process, that I can find.

Looking good👍 What with mount it on the front fans? Can't remember how it looks like in your chassis but there is several solutions for chassis with cramped space.

 

There is D5 pump combos out there with small reservoir that only need one fan sized space.

[Vasudev]

@PapusanThis is my sis's new BGA. Still testing the TDP and optimizing it. Lenovo Power manager is broken and sets up too high TDP causing instant thermal throttling. Using UXTU to limit TDP to 18w-20w sustained PL0, 28w short burst PL1 and 25w for long burst PL2. Added Ryzen Power plan 1usmus Ryzen Power Saver Plan.

https://hwbot.org/user/v56m/#mywall

[ssj92]

That CPU bottleneck at lower res doe...4K is good 

 

 

[Papusan]

This is even worse than DELL! All have to follow the same rules as Japan laws... 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

30 minutes ago, Papusan said:

This is even worse than DELL! All have to follow the same rules as Japan laws... 

 

 

 

LOL... their excuse doesn't even make sense. But, remember, we're talking about ASUS. If they said or did anything that actually made good sense it would be like the end of the world, if not earth-shattering.

[ryan]

never would have guessed the 980ti was 55 percent faster than the 3060

[Rage Set]

Going through some of my old PC part bins, I discovered one of my first higher wattage PSU. An OCZ Fatal1ty 750W unit with red LEDs (I was completely team blue at that time, so don't ask me why I purchased a power supply with red LEDs). 

 

About nine or ten years ago, I started buying overspecc'ed PSU's for my custom builds. In the late 00's, early 2010's, you never really needed more than 500W for 90% of all custom builds. If you told people online that you purchased a 600W or higher PSU and didn't have SLI, a good portion would ridicule you. Fast forward to today, 850W to 1000W are the baseline. 

 

I remember paying $80 for this Fatal1ty PSU and thinking, I am spending a lot of money for this thing. I also remember researching the power rails, making sure they had enough amps. 

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

Going through some of my old PC part bins, I discovered one of my first higher wattage PSU. An OCZ Fatal1ty 750W unit with red LEDs (I was completely team blue at that time, so don't ask me why I purchased a power supply with red LEDs). 

 

About nine or ten years ago, I started buying overspecc'ed PSU's for my custom builds. In the late 00's, early 2010's, you never really needed more than 500W for 90% of all custom builds. If you told people online that you purchased a 600W or higher PSU and didn't have SLI, a good portion would ridicule you. Fast forward to today, 850W to 1000W are the baseline. 

 

I remember paying $80 for this Fatal1ty PSU and thinking, I am spending a lot of money for this thing. I also remember researching the power rails, making sure they had enough amps. 

Yeah I remember a frys sales guy telling my brother in law he needed 750w for a 4th Gen system with no gpu. Told him he would be fine with 250w, 500w if he wanted a fancy gpu. To which he told me that he knew that was wrong because he was A+ certified. I asked him what section of A+ covered that because it wasn't on mine. Just to not stick metal things into psu, which, really shouldn't need explanation lol 

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, Rage Set said:

Going through some of my old PC part bins, I discovered one of my first higher wattage PSU. An OCZ Fatal1ty 750W unit with red LEDs (I was completely team blue at that time, so don't ask me why I purchased a power supply with red LEDs). 

 

About nine or ten years ago, I started buying overspecc'ed PSU's for my custom builds. In the late 00's, early 2010's, you never really needed more than 500W for 90% of all custom builds. If you told people online that you purchased a 600W or higher PSU and didn't have SLI, a good portion would ridicule you. Fast forward to today, 850W to 1000W are the baseline. 

 

I remember paying $80 for this Fatal1ty PSU and thinking, I am spending a lot of money for this thing. I also remember researching the power rails, making sure they had enough amps. 

And now with the death of SLI+ you don't need 1500-1600W PSU anymore. 1000W PSU of good quality is enough for an nice oc'd 13900K and 4090 🙂 1300W PSU's is now the new high end.... https://videocardz.com/newz/galax-announces-hall-of-fame-1300w-atx-3-0-power-supply-with-two-16-pin-power-connectors

 

If you need more then buy a second PSU (I'm looking at me myself). My <be quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 1500W> offer more than enough power but not enough (8-pin) power connectors. Yep, the price you have to pay for still clinging on the old for fun and loads of screamy high pressure fans + the new and fancy HOF 4090 who need dual 12VHPWR connectors. Who said old graphics cards is so damn cheap, LOOL

 

Edit. In theory I could come away with buying two of the 3$ 2x4 Pin Molex -> 6 pol for PCIe (PCI-Express) cables for the extra 12v MB power connector (6-pin). I need at least two of them. One for GPUs with 3 power connectors + the mentioned 6-pin for the MB. No problem do it this way only for the MB but it won't be so pretty to have the ugly 6-pin cable floating in the chassis if not in use. Maybe I can find those in black and sleeved in longer length but that will increase the costs, HaHa

 

 

These 3$ cheapo cables ain't pretty but won't be a problem only for the 6-pin MB connector (hided behind the GPU). 6$ vs $225 (I can spend the saved cash on other things as etc an 2TB NVMe ssd I'm in need for).  Yep, you won't get an 2TB ssd below $200 here home. Here's another option... $250 just at a uglier price.

 

 

A new good quality 750w SFX PSU is +-220$ here home. It must have a minimum of 4 x 6+2-pin connectors if there is any any point buying one. 

 

Edit. Hmm. Can get the Cooler Master V650 SFX Gold 650W PSU for $117.48

[electrosoft]

Whew.....

 

 

[Papusan]

42 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Whew.....

 

 

This platform is a complete mess. A huge buggy mess. Read my previous posts the last months about AMD and their QC and QM problems. This was to be expected. Same also for Asus. 

 

In short... AMD's new platform go up in smoke and fire and Asus first gen High End Intel DDR5 OC motherboards was of so bad quality that they all should be re-called. This is just a quick sumary of todays tech industri. Cost savings all the way, yet they still want premium for their overpriced trash.  

[cylix]

 

[ryan]

I'm flat broke right now, but does anyone know of a prebuilt machine thats worth saving up for? or are they all junk. I found one with a 4070 but it was expensive and had a KF cpu. I take it they cannot be overclocked, if im going desktop I want to overclock the crap outta whatever I settle with. and well I was thinking a 4080 or 4090 would be in order, but at 3000-4000 is it worth it.

[Mr. Fox]

18 hours ago, ryan said:

I'm flat broke right now, but does anyone know of a prebuilt machine thats worth saving up for? or are they all junk. I found one with a 4070 but it was expensive and had a KF cpu. I take it they cannot be overclocked, if im going desktop I want to overclock the crap outta whatever I settle with. and well I was thinking a 4080 or 4090 would be in order, but at 3000-4000 is it worth it.

You can overclock a KF the same as a K CPU. The only difference is the KF does not have Intel integrated graphics.

 

The better pre-built machines are from companies like Origin, DigitalStorm and NZXT. NZXT sells good quality kits with very good instructions for noobs that want to built their first PC from scratch.

 

ibuypower and CyberPower pre-builts are more affordable, but often lack attention to quality. But, they use common off-shelf components, so you can fix their messes. Their cases are often proprietary branded models that give them something unique to sell, but they adhere to common standards, so they are not throw-away components that nothing sold in the PC aftermarket fits.

 

Run away from Dell/Alienware, HP, Lenovo, Acer and mainstream big-box mass production brands. These products are rubbish. They tend to do things that make overclocking and upgrades difficult or even impossible. While build quality is often very good, design decisions are generally horrible and include proprietary features that can ultimately make their products worthless in terms of performance tuning, upgrades and repairs. Anything from this last group of "run away from" options is generally overrated, overpriced, and underwhelming garbage. The cases, motherboards and PSUs are not only proprietary, they are usually small and difficult to add something as simple as a HDD, SSD or extra fans. There is often no place for them.

 

Pre-builts from MSI and ASUS are also kind of sucky and not particularly good options.