*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

4 minutes ago, cylix said:

I am reallly curious what a performance bump will a 4090 Ti bring to the table..

 

1 minute ago, ryan said:

isn't it like the 3k series 10 percent bump>?

 

Pretty much. The bulk of the performance is already there in the XX90 models. The TI just opens up the rest of the GPU (Full fat as we call it) and gives ~8-11% performance bump at most. Then the 5090 will drop and obliterate the 4090ti. Rinse/Repeat.

 

I know I'm an optimist (hope springs eternal), but I hope AMD brings something to the table that can compete at the very top end as the 7900xtx ain't it. They got close with the 6900xt and raw performance.

 

Still have the 7900xtx Taichi in my cart at Amazon. If a cheap open box pops up I might pick it up and put it in the wife's rig then drop her Strix 3080 in my daughter's to replace her 3070 and upgrade the son in law from his 2070 to her 3070.

 

 

 

 

[ryan]

we were all hoping the 4090ti would be a god send but good ole nvidia never disappoints lol. why they heck are they milking people so hardcore. if you have it release it gezze

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, cylix said:

Intel Confirms New Branding For Meteor Lake CPU, “Core Ultra” Replaces “Core i”

Were gonna have names like mobile phones 🙂

What is so strange with that? Intel use hybrid arch. They already use phone cores in their desktop/laptop chips😎 There is more phone cores than real desktop cores in their new flagship chips. 16 vs 8. So the naming change will fits very well with their products.

Difference Between A Motorcycle And Car Engine ...

49 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Pretty much. The bulk of the performance is already there in the XX90 models. The TI just opens up the rest of the GPU (Full fat as we call it) and gives ~8-11% performance bump at most.

 

Nvidia won't give you the full fat AD102 - 18432 for 4090Ti. Even the best gaming cards will have cut down silicon.

 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Nvidia pushing back Blackwell GPU till 2025 due to poor demand and economic downturn....

 

It wil be so when you increase prices close to 72% from one gen cards to the nex (xx80).

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

What is so strange with that? Intel use hybrid arch. They already use phone cores in their desktop/laptop chips😎 There is more phone cores than real desktop cores in their new flagship chips. 16 vs 8. So the naming change will fits very well with their products.

Difference Between A Motorcycle And Car Engine ...

 

Nvidia won't give you the full fat AD102 - 18432 for 4090Ti. Even the best gaming cards will have cut down silicon.

 

 

It wil be so when you increase prices close to 72% from one gen cards to the nex (xx80).

 

 

Just enough to keep Titan at the top but much closer to a Titan than the 4090 but ugh....

 

[electrosoft]

Best Buy rejected my 7950X3D review but accepted my 7800X3D review.... lol

 

Returned the 7950x....er I mean 7950X3D today to Best Buy. If I order again, I think I'll set it for store pick up so I can verify the contents myself this time around but looking at more 7800X3D results and I definitely got a good sample as it is naturally hitting 4824 and staying at 78-80c under full CB23 on an EVGA CLC 360. This is with the new BIOS installed. It is locked to 1.3 now and under full load tops out at ~ 1.310v.

 

Still boggles the mind it pulls 90w total under CB23 and 80c max as is. If there was ever a CPU in search of a DTR laptop chassis, this is it.

 

Moving the Carbon x670E into the main rig today along with a design overhaul....

 

 

[cylix]

I was thinking the same a couple of days ago.. The x3d versions would be perfect in a DTR😢😢

[Reciever]

3 hours ago, cylix said:

Intel Confirms New Branding For Meteor Lake CPU, “Core Ultra” Replaces “Core i”

Were gonna have names like mobile phones 🙂

Intel Ultra Max Pro 149xxxxxxx 😅

 

https://wccftech.com/intel-confirms-new-branding-for-meteor-lake-cpu-core-ultra-replaces-core-i/

Core Ultra MK brought to you by lol

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, cylix said:

I was thinking the same a couple of days ago.. The x3d versions would be perfect in a DTR😢😢

Hmmmm.....🙂

 

 

It would be a damn boring Cpu to play with. Good for gaming but not the Cpu you would enjoy tinkering with. So a huge nope from me. Hmmm... No laptops is tempting. All are trash. Then you have the soldered on GPU who make it even worse. So double bad. Can't be any worse than that. 

 

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

If there was ever a CPU in search of a DTR laptop chassis, this is it.

 

[Rage Set]

I think this Intel rebranding is them conceding parts of the mainstream market to AMD. Think about it. They won't have an i9 product to compete with the high end Zen 5 part, so they are going to consolidate the i7/i9 into a Core Ultra product (they definitely learned their lesson with the 11 gen cough *11900K). These Core Ultra products may not have a high number of P cores but will still compete in "efficiency", AI features and most importantly to the consumer, price. 

 

Intel is really going to copy Apple and I feel this is going to lead them to their demise. While I was hoping Intel getting their butt kicked for a bit would teach them a lesson and force them to compete on price and product functionality, it could all be too late. I hope I am wrong. 

[Mr. Fox]

58 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

I think this Intel rebranding is them conceding parts of the mainstream market to AMD. Think about it. They won't have an i9 product to compete with the high end Zen 5 part, so they are going to consolidate the i7/i9 into a Core Ultra product (they definitely learned their lesson with the 11 gen cough *11900K). These Core Ultra products may not have a high number of P cores but will still compete in "efficiency", AI features and most importantly to the consumer, price. 

 

Intel is really going to copy Apple and I feel this is going to lead them to their demise. While I was hoping Intel getting their butt kicked for a bit would teach them a lesson and force them to compete on price and product functionality, it could all be too late. I hope I am wrong. 

I hope you are wrong, too. That would be a clear line of demarcation identifying the end of my overclocking/benching hobby.

[cylix]

 

[electrosoft]

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

Hmmmm.....🙂

 

 

It would be a damn boring Cpu to play with. Good for gaming but not the Cpu you would enjoy tinkering with. So a huge nope from me. Hmmm... No laptops is tempting. All are trash. Then you have the soldered on GPU who make it even worse. So double bad. Can't be any worse than that. 

 

 

 

In terms of a nice DTR with a state of the art gaming CPU coupled with Nvidia's 4090m? Yeah, I'd be interested most definitely. Definitely not a tinkerer's laptop but something I would take with me on travels and use for everything.

 

When I'm on the road for months this fall I'll definitely be picking up a used Titan or Alienware M18.

 

Unless Framework catches on it doesn't matter what powers the CPU in a laptop; the BGA GPU will be there regardless.

 

 

4 hours ago, Rage Set said:

I think this Intel rebranding is them conceding parts of the mainstream market to AMD. Think about it. They won't have an i9 product to compete with the high end Zen 5 part, so they are going to consolidate the i7/i9 into a Core Ultra product (they definitely learned their lesson with the 11 gen cough *11900K). These Core Ultra products may not have a high number of P cores but will still compete in "efficiency", AI features and most importantly to the consumer, price. 

 

Intel is really going to copy Apple and I feel this is going to lead them to their demise. While I was hoping Intel getting their butt kicked for a bit would teach them a lesson and force them to compete on price and product functionality, it could all be too late. I hope I am wrong. 

 

One reason I decided to give the X3D a try (I did say this last year it was either X3D or 13900k) one of the reasons was Intel's roadmap and Zen 5 which looks to put Intel back into Zen3 vs 11th gen territory again.

 

Even their mobile chips are hot and heavy. For my use later this year, the 7000 series mobile line up is definitely up for consideration. That would end up being an Alienware m18 most likely.

 

 

[Papusan]

9 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Unless Framework catches on it doesn't matter what powers the CPU in a laptop; the BGA GPU will be there regardless.

Yep, I know. Hence I will never ever buy a new modern laptop. That train went of the rail after X170. 

 

 

Asus need to spoon-feed their new audience... 

Ryzen Burnouts Force Asus to Add Overclock Warnings to EXPO Features

 

 

[ryan]

has overclocking ever really been safe. Out of the last 20 or so laptops 18 that I overclocked all died after a few years, the 2 or so that I didn't lasted much longer and had no issues. do you really think laptops are designed to be overclocked in a safe manner. I remember my 260m laptop I overvolted it to 1.1v and overclocked it to get the highest 260m vantage score but it lasted like 8 months and after opening up the laptop their was a burn out spot it basically had a micro fire. I honestly think buy what you need and avoid overclocking your laptop, cpus are different but all the crazy shunt mods for laptop gpus seems excessively dangerous unless of course your wallet looks the same as bill gates wallet

 

and for the love of god, will someone post a video of crysis remastered maxed at 4k lol. because when I get my desktop in a few months I would love to see what I can expect while pushing the cpu/gpu

 

heres me at 1080p

 

 

on a unhappy note no matter what gpu I get im below average. my 80cu Xe is getting 6000 points less than the next. is there even such thing as igpu tweaking lol 😞

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

has overclocking ever really been safe. Out of the last 20 or so laptops 18 that I overclocked all died after a few years, the 2 or so that I didn't lasted much longer and had no issues. do you really think laptops are designed to be overclocked in a safe manner. I remember my 260m laptop I overvolted it to 1.1v and overclocked it to get the highest 260m vantage score but it lasted like 8 months and after opening up the laptop their was a burn out spot it basically had a micro fire. I honestly think buy what you need and avoid overclocking your laptop, cpus are different but all the crazy shunt mods for laptop gpus seems excessively dangerous unless of course your wallet looks the same as bill gates wallet

 

and for the love of god, will someone post a video of crysis remastered maxed at 4k lol. because when I get my desktop in a few months I would love to see what I can expect while pushing the cpu/gpu

 

heres me at 1080p

 

 

The inherent constraints in laptops in regards to thermals and power delivery deployed by makers do make them susceptible to point failures (usually GPU first) that made truly modular and upgrade enabled laptops my usual go to. GPU fails? Replace it or better yet upgrade it. Want to upgrade your CPU later on? No problem. Looking for a better silicon specimen for cooler running? Ok. Treat laptops with the same dignity as desktops.

 

Now we've truly entered the age of single point failure laptops taking the entire thing with it and unless you want to do board level repairs (and even that isn't a given with proprietary parts in play sometimes) you make sure you have an extended warranty.

 

Throw in overclocking and exceeding system tolerances and you get some truly brutal stories of laptop failures either acute or chronic in nature.

 

 

[ryan]

yeah I used to overclock my 6990m amd card and I did well, but it died lol. like when will people wake up and smell the coffee, this isn't safe. jumping out a plane without a parachute is possible but is it safe lol. also electrosoft how or why is my igpu scoring so low I have tried what seems like everything. I need to try different drivers maybe? command center doesn't seem to have options for tweaking, is this a new thing where the igpu intel Xe performs like crap and they leave no options or is there something i can do.

[johnksss]

Not sure if this has been posted, but Steve hits on quite a few things in his rant.🙂

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

has overclocking ever really been safe. Out of the last 20 or so laptops 18 that I overclocked all died after a few years, the 2 or so that I didn't lasted much longer and had no issues. do you really think laptops are designed to be overclocked in a safe manner.

37 minutes ago, ryan said:

yeah I used to overclock my 6990m amd card and I did well, but it died lol. like when will people wake up and smell the coffee, this isn't safe. jumping out a plane without a parachute is possible but is it safe lol. also electrosoft how or why is my igpu scoring so low I have tried what seems like everything. I need to try different drivers maybe? command center doesn't seem to have options for tweaking, is this a new thing where the igpu intel Xe performs like crap and they leave no options or is there something i can do.

I think it is totally safe. I think the notion that it is unsafe is totally wrong and reflects lack of understanding on the people that believe it is unsafe. You can't really say that because someone has overclocked a component that it is the reason it failed unless you have a crystal ball. Stuff wears out and things fail even when they live a pampered life.

 

Lots of people that never overclock have motherboards and GPUs that fail. If anything is done incorrectly, in a foolish or haphazard manner it has potential to be "unsafe" or result in a failure, but I would not classify overclocking as being an unsafe, dangerous or detrimental practice. Like anything else, it's not the product, but the person using the product that is the problem and that is dangerous (you can include guns, fast cars and alcoholic beverages in the same conversation) or an inherent flaw or design defect in the product that results in an undesirable outcome 99.9% of the time.

[Papusan]

On 5/1/2023 at 9:51 PM, Papusan said:

What is so strange with that? Intel use hybrid arch. They already use phone cores in their desktop/laptop chips😎 There is more phone cores than real desktop cores in their new flagship chips. 16 vs 8. So the naming change will fits very well with their products.

 

18 hours ago, Rage Set said:

I think this Intel rebranding is them conceding parts of the mainstream market to AMD. Think about it. They won't have an i9 product to compete with the high end Zen 5 part, so they are going to consolidate the i7/i9 into a Core Ultra product (they definitely learned their lesson with the 11 gen cough *11900K). These Core Ultra products may not have a high number of P cores but will still compete in "efficiency", AI features and most importantly to the consumer, price. 

 

Intel is really going to copy Apple and I feel this is going to lead them to their demise. While I was hoping Intel getting their butt kicked for a bit would teach them a lesson and force them to compete on price and product functionality, it could all be too late. I hope I am wrong. 

Yep, Intel need to change to keep relevant for Windows 12. Small sweet phone cores is the future. And Microsoft will prepare their next gen touch friendly Windows OS more and more for Joke-cores. Even AMD will come with baby-cores (hybrid arch).

 

Microsoft working on custom Arm-based silicon for PCs
https://www.techspot.com/news/98529-microsoft-working-custom-arm-based-silicon-pcs.html

 

Intel want their share of the cake. Hence they have to do the changes now. Meteor lake with tripple core arc (Triple-Hybrid CPU Architecture (P/E/LP-E Cores) is soon reality. So is Windows 12

 

Microsoft Working On Custom ARM Chips With Optimized Windows 12 To Better Compete With Apple’s M-Series Chips

[ryan]

I wouldn't say its because of inexperience. skilled overclocker or not. maybe it is an illusion but people on NBR/NBT tend to report dead gpus more often then not and chances are they are overclocking them. I have never had a computer die that I didn't overclock. yet when overclocking my gaming laptops maybe unlucky or some other non related reason they died overclocking. you have to draw a conclusion eventually.

[Etern4l]

It's not binary. Overclocking may increase the marginal risk of a fault occurring, depending on how much and what kind of additional stress is generated, and how long it is applied for. In some cases, the risk is close to zero, in some cases, it can be significant (e.g. shunt modding a 600W card to 1kW, and running this 24/7 lol)

[ryan]

49 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

the risk is close to zero

i find that hard to believe seems illogical. more heat=same risk

 

Is there a downside to overclocking GPU?

 

 

The biggest issue with overclocking is the reduction in a component's lifespan. You can overclock a CPU, GPU, motherboard or RAM, but sending increased volts gradually damages these components. Damage is caused by heat generated from increased power.

[Etern4l]

Welcome to non-linearity in physics. When I say risk, I mean risk over typical lifetime. It could be that you are reducing MTBF from 100 to 50 years, you still don't care.

[ryan]

its a linear idea? not sure what you mean by non-linearity physics? did you take physics? I did

 

linear

 

x increases with y

 

heat increases damage risk increases

 

are you saying heat doesn't cause damage or change the longevity of electrical components?

[Etern4l]

LOL. Alright, I give up :) To end of a friendly note, let's just say it's not as simple.