*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

The 12VHPWR connectors is the Gods gifts to the repair shops. The 4090 cards is very powerful and will have a long life in the used market with new owners. This means many cards will be out of warranty and the only fix will be by the repair shops. Yep, the 4090's is a Gold mine for any electronic repair shop.

 

I'm quite sure the 12VHPWR connectors will come in new revisions for 5000 series cards. For the 4000 series cards its too late... Yep, I think AMD will skip this new connector for current gen Radeon cards (possible 7950XTX). They can't afford bad publicity after their try knocking down nvidia due the smoking 12VHPWR connectors before 7000 series cards release. + the increased costs will make it even harder for AMD to do such expensive changes.

 

Here is 3 videos in a row from the last 5 days from NorthridgeFix. And I think he will make ready for the 4th or 5th video for this week or next (he got new ones in for repairs). And this delicate 12VHPWR mess won't stop by itself.... 

 

 

The last one is for @electrosoft🙂 From today.

4090 FE Connector melted with Cablemod Adapter installed. 40 series cards should be recalled

 

Newer is better newer. Every time!

[Papusan]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Newer is better newer. Every time!

Yep newer tech will always offer optimum combination of performance, price, and power efficiency. Nvidia try explain that minimum vram and lower Mem Bus is good for the gamers.. They get newest graphics cards for a cheaper prices😎 So yep, newer has to be newer. Every time! For the best for the gamers. 

 

Higher capacity chips cost more to make, so a balance is required to optimize prices. This is damage control at it's worst. 

 

NVIDIA Explains GeForce RTX 40 Series VRAM Functionality techpowerup.com

[Mr. Fox]

6 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Yep newer tech will always offer optimum combination of performance, price, and power efficiency. Nvidia try explain that minimum vram is good for the gamers.. They get newer graphics cards for a cheaper price😎 So yep, newer has to be newer. Every time!

 

NVIDIA Explains GeForce RTX 40 Series VRAM Functionality techpowerup.com

It is easier and faster to boil a small pot of water than it is a cauldron filled with water. That's why those little 12VHPWR connectors are so special. The other reason is because the Green Goblin says they are, and we all know that if NVIDIA says so it has to be true.

[ryan]

suprised no one here is talking about the titan

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/rtx-titan-ada.c3985

 

basically tells all the specs, it could be a pretty big jump I have a hard time accepting the estimate of it only being 11 percent faster than the 4090. if it is then this is just plain dumb. 

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, ryan said:

suprised no one here is talking about the titan

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/rtx-titan-ada.c3985

 

basically tells all the specs, it could be a pretty big jump I have a hard time accepting the estimate of it only being 11 percent faster than the 4090. if it is then this is just plain dumb. 

 

A prototype was seen months ago. It is massive and the main selling point is the 48GB of memory. It is going to cost probably $3k and is aimed at professionals.

 

~11% uplift is about right between the 4090 and a Titan class card for GPU performance. Might even be a hair slower.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

11 hours ago, ryan said:

suprised no one here is talking about the titan

There could be a plethora of reasons for that. I haven't noticed any marketing spam hitting my junk folders yet that relate to the new Titan. It is only an anecdotal observation, but it feels like speculation and excitement over unreleased products is also more muted than it used to be. The Titan is probably not going to be relevant to a lot of people. It also probably doesn't help matters that there have been a number of examples of overhyped and misrepresented new tech in the past year or two, where the end product didn't clear the bar that was set. Combine that with some of those same products having some unexpected design flaws, QC failures and engineering defects, along with abusive pricing that puts some things either out of reach, or beyond the point of acceptableness for some people. I know I have no interest in talking about, speculation or swapping assumptions about unreleased tech at this point. If find it pretty hard to get excited or want to talk about stuff that you may be fed a string of lies and overhyped half-truths about, might be broken on launch day, and might be priced beyond reasonableness.

 

At a personal level, if it is not something I am planning to buy for myself, then new products of any kind (technology or otherwise) are not things that I am interested in looking at or talking about, just because I simply don't care about those products. That's why you almost never see me in a laptop thread unless someone tags me and expects a response. I just don't give a rat's butt about laptops, and I have no interest in looking at them or talking about them.

[electrosoft]

Instead of investing 2500-3000 in another high powered, limited laptop this is what I'm thinking of building out for travel (something along these lines) with a 4090 FE + 7800X3D.

 

https://formdworks.com/collections/t1-1/products/t1-sandwich-kit-titanium-color?variant=42966874226935

 

 

 

I would just use air cooling on the 7800X3D and ideally I'd like to be able to swap in a desktop 4090 FE (and potentially CPU) for travel then swap the CPU and GPU back to desktop when I get home. Wireless gaming KB/M along with a decent and most portable display.

 

If I went this route, I'd sell my over achieving Suprim as there is no way I'd keep 2x 4090s. I would just use one and when I do travel I'd pluck my 7800X3D and 4090 FE and pop them in and off I go for what amounts to maybe an additional $500-600 in costs total for the sff, PSU and itx motherboard.

 

I would still keep my NH55 for true portable use when needed but on travel with the wife let her use it for WoW.

 

Comments? Suggestions? What would you do?

 

 

[ryan]

I was just talking with my friend on the phone and were saying how we don't really move our laptops and a desktop makes more sense, more power and upgradeable. I wouldn't mind getting a 4090 desktop and have the comfort of mind knowing I can slap in a new cpu and gpu down the line.

 

I might even just get a basic desktop and upgrade it in 3 segments, like get the cpu and stuff and upgrade the ssd and ram later then the gpu. I don't game a whole lot but its nice having the option

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Instead of investing 2500-3000 in another high powered, limited laptop this is what I'm thinking of building out for travel (something along these lines) with a 4090 FE + 7800X3D.

Spoiler

https://formdworks.com/collections/t1-1/products/t1-sandwich-kit-titanium-color?variant=42966874226935

 

 

 

I would just use air cooling on the 7800X3D and ideally I'd like to be able to swap in a desktop 4090 FE (and potentially CPU) for travel then swap the CPU and GPU back to desktop when I get home. Wireless gaming KB/M along with a decent and most portable display.

 

If I went this route, I'd sell my over achieving Suprim as there is no way I'd keep 2x 4090s. I would just use one and when I do travel I'd pluck my 7800X3D and 4090 FE and pop them in and off I go for what amounts to maybe an additional $500-600 in costs total for the sff, PSU and itx motherboard.

 

I would still keep my NH55 for true portable use when needed but on travel with the wife let her use it for WoW.

Comments? Suggestions? What would you do?

I don't know that there is a right or wrong answer. Really depends on what you legitimately need or feel compelled to do when you travel and how long the trip is going to be. Unless you need that level of performance away from home, seems like a waste of money. If you do need that level of performance away from home, then I would say the opposite.

 

What I would do (have done) is have an inexpensive laptop that is adequate for the basic functionality needed if I am away from home a week or less. I need/want email and web access, some degree of productivity (Micro$lop Office stuff) and that's it. No real need for gaming excellence or benching. As long as it is fast enough to do what I intend to do and not be so slow that it becomes a source of aggravation, that's good enough. For some people, and almost me, a Chromebook is good enough. As long as it is not a slimy touch-screen piece of crap, has a good screen and keyboard, and a USB port for connecting a mouse, that's about 90% of what I need it to have. It does not need a quality pointing device because I hate touchpads and won't use them except as a last resort.

1 hour ago, ryan said:

I was just talking with my friend on the phone and were saying how we don't really move our laptops and a desktop makes more sense, more power and upgradeable. I wouldn't mind getting a 4090 desktop and have the comfort of mind knowing I can slap in a new cpu and gpu down the line.

 

I might even just get a basic desktop and upgrade it in 3 segments, like get the cpu and stuff and upgrade the ssd and ram later then the gpu. I don't game a whole lot but its nice having the option

That is very intelligent, reflects common sense and sound reasoning. It's unfortunate that many people that never move a laptop waste their money on compromised garbage when they could have something significantly better for roughly the same or less money. Laptops and smartphones are things that I view as a necessary evil that I would prefer to have no need for, and would not own at all otherwise. As such, they are tools that do not need to be a source of pleasure. They only need to be good enough to do the job and not be overly frustrating or disappointing to deal with.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

At a personal level, if it is not something I am planning to buy for myself, then new products of any kind (technology or otherwise) are not things that I am interested in looking at or talking about, just because I simply don't care about those products. That's why you almost never see me in a laptop thread unless someone tags me and expects a response. I just don't give a rat's butt about laptops, and I have no interest in looking at them or talking about them.

What? Not interested in Clevo's brand new gaming flagship. The real successor to P870/X170 line LGA/MXM laptops. When the botoom ain't reached..... Can it be worse? Probably.... Will.

 

Read...  The case/chassis — A Fresh Restart to match it's hardware.

 

Yep, what you see is correct. 1.5GHz for the Cpu and +97C average Cpu temp. Fantastic efficiency.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

16 minutes ago, Papusan said:

What? Not interested in Clevo's brand new gaming flagship. The real successor to P870/X170 line LGA/MXM laptops. When the botoom ain't reached..... Can it be worse? Probably.... Will.

 

Read...  The case/chassis — A Fresh Restart to match it's hardware.

 

Yep, what you see is correct. 1.5GHz for the Cpu and +97C average Cpu temp. Fantastic efficiency.

 

The product, the company and their target customer demographic are a good match.

We all know what bottom feeders eat to survive.

 

[electrosoft]

47 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I don't know that there is a right or wrong answer. Really depends on what you legitimately need or feel compelled to do when you travel and how long the trip is going to be. Unless you need that level of performance away from home, seems like a waste of money. If you do need that level of performance away from home, then I would say the opposite.

 

What I would do (have done) is have an inexpensive laptop that is adequate for the basic functionality needed if I am away from home a week or less. I need/want email and web access, some degree of productivity (Micro$lop Office stuff) and that's it. No real need for gaming excellence or benching. As long as it is fast enough to do what I intend to do and not be so slow that it becomes a source of aggravation, that's good enough. For some people, and almost me, a Chromebook is good enough. As long as it is not a slimy touch-screen piece of crap, has a good screen and keyboard, and a USB port for connecting a mouse, that's about 90% of what I need it to have. It does not need a quality pointing device because I hate touchpads and won't use them except as a last resort.

 

 

Well I do game quite a bit when on the road and I prefer a real keyboard and mouse vs the laptop variants. When traveling I (solo) or we (the wife and I) are stationary for days. I'm trying to strike a balance (hence the shared GPU/CPU between big desktop and sff on the road) minimizing costs. 15.6" is too small and I would end up taking a 20-24" display with me anyhow or buy a Alienware m18/ Acer Predator 18 level laptop.

 

When I game when traveling I like a no compromises experience just like at home so I would end up picking up at least a 13980hx (or AMD equivalent) and 4080 at the minimum.

 

So factor that cost vs having a compact sff frame to take instead and sharing a desktop CPU and GPU in it. When it's time to travel just swap the components over to an already set up chassis with an itx MB, memory (32GB vs 64GB), PSU that just needs the GPU and CPU swapped back in and off you go.

 

Another option was that luggable option using the same approach linked earler this week.

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

Disappointing RTX 4070 sales allegedly push NVIDIA to continue ongoing supply halt into June
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Disappointing-RTX-4070-sales-allegedly-push-NVIDIA-to-continue-ongoing-supply-halt-into-June.718232.0.html

 

First spotted by @harukaze5719 on Twitter, ITHome alleges that, due to bad RTX 4070 sales, NVIDIA decided to halt the supply of the GPUs to Add-in Card (AIC) partners at the end of April. This supposed delivery cut was meant to last for a month whereby AICs would start getting fresh RTX 4070 supply by the end of May. However, NVIDIA may now have extended the supply cut into June to keep the price of the board from falling.

 

 I can't see the AIC partners is so very happy with how it is. R&D need to be paid off. You don't do that with minimal/disappointing sales of 4000 series nvidia graphics. And I expect the AIC partners don't sell loads of GPUs for artificial intelligence to the Artificial intelligence industry in same way as Nvidia. I'm not even sure they offer such GPUs. Not the same as flooding the miners with gamer cards.

 

AMD's RX 7600 may share a key spec with Nvidia's RTX 4060 and not in a good way

AMD shouldn't compete with Nvidia in this way......

 

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Another option was that luggable option using the same approach linked earler this week.

 

Or just scrap the idea with a normal PC box home and go with the small portable baby-box you linked above (in the youtube video). 

[Ashtrix]

Huge thanks to brother @Tenoroon for his good gesture on letting me borrow his GPU, the 860M 2GB card came packed well and I have been running it since last Sunday with same loads and one day I left it overnight no issue. And today I just played 6 hours of Dota2 with friends, 70W max power consumption on the GPU. So far not a single power off shutdown issue.

 

Only a single day on iGPU the machine shutdown this happened 2 weeks back, perhaps the VRMs got overloaded and heated up after loading it on Dota2 for both GPU and CPU, It never happened again though on the same load. However now the same workload on the GPU like before and no issue. While 980M would just simply shutdown the computer at random playing music, watching movie etc. So far so good.

 

I hope this means MXM slot is fine and Motherboard as well. 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Disappointing RTX 4070 sales allegedly push NVIDIA to continue ongoing supply halt into June
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Disappointing-RTX-4070-sales-allegedly-push-NVIDIA-to-continue-ongoing-supply-halt-into-June.718232.0.html

 

First spotted by @harukaze5719 on Twitter, ITHome alleges that, due to bad RTX 4070 sales, NVIDIA decided to halt the supply of the GPUs to Add-in Card (AIC) partners at the end of April. This supposed delivery cut was meant to last for a month whereby AICs would start getting fresh RTX 4070 supply by the end of May. However, NVIDIA may now have extended the supply cut into June to keep the price of the board from falling.

 

 I can't see the AIC partners is so very happy with how it is. R&D need to be paid off. You don't do that with minimal/disappointing sales of 4000 series nvidia graphics. And I expect the AIC partners don't sell loads of GPUs for artificial intelligence to the Artificial intelligence industry in same way as Nvidia. I'm not even sure they offer such GPUs. Not the same as flooding the miners with gamer cards.

 

AMD's RX 7600 may share a key spec with Nvidia's RTX 4060 and not in a good way

AMD shouldn't compete with Nvidia in this way......

 

 

Continue production and adjust ASP down or slow/halt production and keep the price the same. If the end result is the same gross revenue but higher profits for Nvidia, it makes sense versus having a minor version of the 3000 glut which proved to Nvidia they could commit to the long con...er....strategy and eventually move those units at inflated prices or at worst MSRP 2-3 yrs removed from launch.

 

WIth Nvidia and AMD to a degree, the problem is these newer generation cards at lower tiers are too powerful to lock them into "1080p" mentality. They are quite capable of even at 1440p but that isn't their target market. If you want a 1440p card, you should be stepping up to a 7900xt / 4070ti type class card according to AMD and Nvidia. How do you add clarity to your stack segmentation and force consumers to spend more to get a proper 1440p and 4k experience? Limit the VRAM and cap the bandwidth....

 

8GB = 1080p  low/medium, 1440p low

12GB = 1080p High/ultra / 1440p low/mid

16GB = 1080p Ultra, 1440p high/ultra, 4k mid/high

24GB = 1080p Ultra, 1440p Ultra, 4k high/Ultra

 

Then add insult to injury by pricing them up even more giving you less bang per buck vs last generation.

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Or just scrap the idea with a normal PC box home and go with the small portable baby-box you linked above (in the youtube video). 

 

I could never stomach having a SFF as my main desktop. I spend way to much time in there testing components and swapping things around...plus I love having something beefy on my desk.

 

But the more I think about it I DO like the idea of being able to extract the two most expensive components (or all of them if I wanted to go to that extreme), transplant them into a SFF which has the MB/PSU already installed and ready to go with riser slot in place and swap over my CPU and GPU and take it with me and get the same level of power. If memory was more costly, I would swap that too but luckily with these used A-die 2x32GB I picked up and tuning (which are shaping up to be better than the M-die sticks), I have these extra M-die sticks ready to rock too.

 

I just need (~550-650)

SFF case w/ Riser

SFX PSU

ITX MB

 

And when heading out to travel, I'd swap in (in my desktop or items I already have on hand):

4090 GPU

7800X3D CPU

Memory

1TB M.2

 

Get back from travel (work or vacation) and move the components back in to my main rig...BAM....back up and running.

 

 

 

[johnksss]

Before people start jumping the gun it seems that the guy may have miss spoke before getting all the facts first...

 

[electrosoft]

55 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Before people start jumping the gun it seems that the guy may have miss spoke before getting all the facts first...

 

 

Northridgefix and the "influx" of 4090s which were actually directly from Cablemod accumulated over a few months from customers unable to get OEM repairs?

 

That was a little bit of egg on his face....but he's so direct it's refreshing. 🙂

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Northridgefix and the "influx" of 4090s which were actually directly from Cablemod accumulated over a few months from customers unable to get OEM repairs?

 

That was a little bit of egg on his face....but he's so direct it's refreshing. 🙂

 

 

 

 

Nice. Some brands refuse to fix the problems. Of course you can't expect the different brands will fix it if the CableMod adapter is fused/molded to the GPU connector🙂

 

 

What we will never know.... How many have experienced fried CableMod adapters where the 12V power connector on the PCB is nice and clean. Just mount a brand new 12VHPWR connector shipped directly from CableMod. Yep, we will never ever get the correct numbers from CableMod. That would if the numbers was decent destroy their reputation. Bad enough with their previous QC problems where their adapter/cable turn your screen black. 

[Clamibot]

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Continue production and adjust ASP down or slow/halt production and keep the price the same. If the end result is the same gross revenue but higher profits for Nvidia, it makes sense versus having a minor version of the 3000 glut which proved to Nvidia they could commit to the long con...er....strategy and eventually move those units at inflated prices or at worst MSRP 2-3 yrs removed from launch.

 

WIth Nvidia and AMD to a degree, the problem is these newer generation cards at lower tiers are too powerful to lock them into "1080p" mentality. They are quite capable of even at 1440p but that isn't their target market. If you want a 1440p card, you should be stepping up to a 7900xt / 4070ti type class card according to AMD and Nvidia. How do you add clarity to your stack segmentation and force consumers to spend more to get a proper 1440p and 4k experience? Limit the VRAM and cap the bandwidth....

 

8GB = 1080p  low/medium, 1440p low

12GB = 1080p High/ultra / 1440p low/mid

16GB = 1080p Ultra, 1440p high/ultra, 4k mid/high

24GB = 1080p Ultra, 1440p Ultra, 4k high/Ultra

 

Then add insult to injury by pricing them up even more giving you less bang per buck vs last generation.

 

 

I could never stomach having a SFF as my main desktop. I spend way to much time in there testing components and swapping things around...plus I love having something beefy on my desk.

 

But the more I think about it I DO like the idea of being able to extract the two most expensive components (or all of them if I wanted to go to that extreme), transplant them into a SFF which has the MB/PSU already installed and ready to go with riser slot in place and swap over my CPU and GPU and take it with me and get the same level of power. If memory was more costly, I would swap that too but luckily with these used A-die 2x32GB I picked up and tuning (which are shaping up to be better than the M-die sticks), I have these extra M-die sticks ready to rock too.

 

I just need (~550-650)

SFF case w/ Riser

SFX PSU

ITX MB

 

And when heading out to travel, I'd swap in (in my desktop or items I already have on hand):

4090 GPU

7800X3D CPU

Memory

1TB M.2

 

Get back from travel (work or vacation) and move the components back in to my main rig...BAM....back up and running.

 

 

 

 

An SFF desktop or that luggable case I posted earlier would definitely be the go to options for portable muscle. If you want to go the SFF route, you can wait for Sliger to release their Tego case, which is a console style case that can fit an ATX Motherboard, an ATX power supply, and a 360mm AIO. I've been waiting over a year for the case to be released and it's been delayed again. 🙃

 

I'm gonna keep waiting though since that's really the best option. The case is more MFF than SFF, but it's portable enough for my needs and probably yours as well. No need to compromise on super small cases that can't give us the performance we can get from a tower case. The Trego basically just compacts everything together, eliminating all the unused space. It'd be nice if it would stop getting delayed, but I understand Sliger has been having trouble keeping up with demand from their corporate clients since their most recent move a few months back.

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, johnksss said:

Before people start jumping the gun it seems that the guy may have miss spoke before getting all the facts first...

 

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Northridgefix and the "influx" of 4090s which were actually directly from Cablemod accumulated over a few months from customers unable to get OEM repairs?

 

That was a little bit of egg on his face....but he's so direct it's refreshing. 🙂

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

Nice. Some brands refuse to fix the problems. Of course you can't expect the different brands will fix it if the CableMod adapter is fused/molded to the GPU connector🙂

What we will never know.... How many have experienced fried CableMod adapters where the 12V power connector on the PCB is nice and clean. Just mount a brand new 12VHPWR connector shipped directly from CableMod. Yep, we will never ever get the correct numbers from CableMod. That would if the numbers was decent destroy their reputation. Bad enough with their previous QC problems where their adapter/cable turn your screen black. 

The 12VHPWR cable is an inferior design in general, unnecessary and has offered nothing more that a reduction of cable clutter as an advantage. And, that is assuming you're not using 8-pin cables with the crappy short pigtails that new GPUs include. It would have been better to have stuck with the legacy 8-pin adapters and made the PCB a few inches longer to provide space for them. 

 

The fact that some GPU manufacturers and/or NVIDIA are not providing warranty coverage for a failure that virtually never occurred before introduction of the new flawed/weak/failure-prone 12VHPWR connector is pretty scummy. The notion that exactly the same problem could occur with a PSU cable made by Cablemod should not be surprising, and it seems unrealistic to suggest that one brand would be less prone to failure than any other. That is kind of ludicrous. The fact that Cablemod is covering the cost of GPUs when it is clear the failure occurred when a customer was using their cables show they are an honorable company that cares more about doing the right thing than the companies that sold the GPU. It makes me want to support them even more.

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, Clamibot said:

 

An SFF desktop or that luggable case I posted earlier would definitely be the go to options for portable muscle. If you want to go the SFF route, you can wait for Sliger to release their Tego case, which is a console style case that can fit an ATX Motherboard, an ATX power supply, and a 360mm AIO. I've been waiting over a year for the case to be released and it's been delayed again. 🙃

 

I'm gonna keep waiting though since that's really the best option. The case is more MFF than SFF, but it's portable enough for my needs and probably yours as well. No need to compromise on super small cases that can't give us the performance we can get from a tower case. The Trego basically just compacts everything together, eliminating all the unused space. It'd be nice if it would stop getting delayed, but I understand Sliger has been having trouble keeping up with demand from their corporate clients since their most recent move a few months back.

 

I've been researching the Caselabs "luggable" too. I do like the 24" 144hz 1080p display but the idea of it recessed so much during use by design with all the components right in front of you might be a heat bath to the face while using and an odd viewing angle. In the video they prop up the back (side?)  but then the display is really getting up their off the table for viewing angles.

 

I wish they had a more secure GPU mounting system with an adjustable securing mechanism in the front of some sort.

 

I do like that it is sealed air tight when closed (they douse the whole thing with water for show) and it is clearly geared for travel. Not sure it would survive being checked luggage at an airport or train travel though.

 

Keyboard and mouse have to be stored/shipped elsewhere.

 

Pros really are you can cram just about anything in there. Looking at it trying to visualize how my MSI Liquid Suprim 4090 would work in there with the AIO. Maybe strap it to the inside for travel then when gaming just lay the AIO on the table. Hmmm, that would work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

Microcenter now sells Nvidia Founders cards too?

 

https://www.microcenter.com/product/661136/nvidia-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition-dual-fan-24gb-gddr6x-pcie-40-graphics-card

 

Looks like Nvidia is also selling them directly now again:

 

https://store.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/store/?page=1&limit=9&locale=en-us

 

And as always, Best Buy:

 

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-24gb-gddr6x-graphics-card-titanium-and-black/6521430.p?skuId=6521430

 

They always seem to still be out of stock more often than not though.

 

 

[johnksss]

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The 12VHPWR cable is an inferior design in general, unnecessary and has offered nothing more that a reduction of cable clutter as an advantage. And, that is assuming you're not using 8-pin cables with the crappy short pigtails that new GPUs include. It would have been better to have stuck with the legacy 8-pin adapters and made the PCB a few inches longer to provide space for them. 

 

The fact that some GPU manufacturers and/or NVIDIA are not providing warranty coverage for a failure that virtually never occurred before introduction of the new flawed/weak/failure-prone 12VHPWR connector is pretty scummy. The notion that exactly the same problem could occur with a PSU cable made by Cablemod should not be surprising, and it seems unrealistic to suggest that one brand would be less prone to failure than any other. That is kind of ludicrous. The fact that Cablemod is covering the cost of GPUs when it is clear the failure occurred when a customer was using their cables show they are an honorable company that cares more about doing the right thing than the companies that sold the GPU. It makes me want to support them even more.

Nothing wrong with the cable, one just needs to make sure it's plugged in. (Could it be better built? Sure, why not.) May take a bit more effort on the users part, but it is what it is. (Although it sure points out why no manufacture wants fully unlocked controls on a cpu/gpu/memory or motherboard. People will blame them for unlocking it and not putting in safe guards.🤦‍♂️)

 

Off Topic:

Ergo The Soc drama unfolding now. Thankfully that is 100% their fault, but imagine they said look. We unlocked this voltage but do not go above 1.3V or you will burn up your board. Then all the know it all yahoos will come out the woodworks and start voicing their opinions as fact stating why would they leave that unlocked. My CPU burnt up. I don't know what happen. All I was doing was gaming. My board burnt up. And so on and so forth.🤦‍♂️

 

On topic:

GPU manufactures owned up to that nonsense after public out cry. And since the new "rash" of GPU burns seems to be caused by Cablemods adapter might suggest that there is something there that needs to be looked into. And at least one user stated that it bent their pins, but didn't burn up their card. Bending pins are an issue since it should be virtually impossible for the user to do that in this case. Which is something they apparently know about and were trying to fix. Along with at the time they stated 50K sold and 7 failures with 5 being "user error" and still waiting on the other 2. I was checking and this guy below never reported back with what Nvidia said so not sure of the out come there. He might be GPU number 8.

This guy had his burn up and this was what happen on his RMA. this was this month. You have to skip past all the nonsense other people tend to always bring up having nothing to do with the current op's post.

Could be Asus trying to save face, who knows, but the fact remains. The burnt up GPU was in fact replaced.

[electrosoft]

14 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Nothing wrong with the cable, one just needs to make sure it's plugged in. (Could it be better built? Sure, why not.) May take a bit more effort on the users part, but it is what it is. (Although it sure points out why no manufacture wants fully unlocked controls on a cpu/gpu/memory or motherboard. People will blame them for unlocking it and not putting in safe guards.🤦‍♂️)

 

Off Topic:

Ergo The Soc drama unfolding now. Thankfully that is 100% their fault, but imagine they said look. We unlocked this voltage but do not go above 1.3V or you will burn up your board. Then all the know it all yahoos will come out the woodworks and start voicing their opinions as fact stating why would they leave that unlocked. My CPU burnt up. I don't know what happen. All I was doing was gaming. My board burnt up. And so on and so forth.🤦‍♂️

 

On topic:

GPU manufactures owned up to that nonsense after public out cry. And since the new "rash" of GPU burns seems to be caused by Cablemods adapter might suggest that there is something there that needs to be looked into. And at least one user stated that it bent their pins, but didn't burn up their card. Bending pins are an issue since it should be virtually impossible for the user to do that in this case. Which is something they apparently know about and were trying to fix. Along with at the time they stated 50K sold and 7 failures with 5 being "user error" and still waiting on the other 2. I was checking and this guy below never reported back with what Nvidia said so not sure of the out come there. He might be GPU number 8.

This guy had his burn up and this was what happen on his RMA. this was this month. You have to skip past all the nonsense other people tend to always bring up having nothing to do with the current op's post.

Could be Asus trying to save face, who knows, but the fact remains. The burnt up GPU was in fact replaced.

 

My new Cablemod replacement is still en route direct from China. My January purchased cable when I finally got around to using it last month shut down my entire system under any significant gaming load (>=300w). Stock MSI cable continues to work as advertised even >=530w.

 

This was a specific EVGA cable for my P2 1600w (and compatible with my P2 850).

 

I held onto the old cable (albeit they had me cut it in half and send proof of destruction before shipping a new cable) so I'll be able to physically compare the new one with the old one.

 

Re: Asus - If they had just worded their Beta BIOS information better most of the heat they're catching would have been eliminated.

 

 

[johnksss]

7 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

My new Cablemod replacement is still en route direct from China. My January purchased cable when I finally got around to using it last month shut down my entire system under any significant gaming load (>=300w). Stock MSI cable continues to work as advertised even >=530w.

 

This was a specific EVGA cable for my P2 1600w (and compatible with my P2 850).

 

I held onto the old cable (albeit they had me cut it in half and send proof of destruction before shipping a new cable) so I'll be able to physically compare the new one with the old one.

 

Re: Asus - If they had just worded their Beta BIOS information better most of the heat they're catching would have been eliminated.

 

 

Might explain you being locked at 300W. The sense cable not fully making contact and only registering 300W max. (speculations of course)

 

That is 100% true. I think they need to use people educated in the English language when writing information in English. As translations do not 100% translate to English. (Again, more speculations on my part)