*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Raiderman]

On 7/9/2023 at 8:37 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Does your new AMD GPU have Windows 7 functionality? 

What is it like?

Show Us Your Linux Desktop  

 

Linux Gaming Thread

 

Start with something extra-easy. Zorin OS is probably the best for a Linux newcomer to dip their toe into the water and have an excellent experience. I would start there.

 

Linux Mint with Cinnamon Desktop also closely resembles Windows appearance and functionality. It is also generally easy to install. Not as easy as Zorin, but also not hard. Many first-time Linux users start here and have a good experience.

 

If you want something that is easy to use and install that DOES NOT resemble the look and feel of Windows, then the easiest is probably going to be POP!_OS. This OS is developed by System76. The are a Clevo reseller and build custom desktops that ship with their Linux distro. The distro is a rock-solid performer that is stable and reliable. It has to be for them to put their name on it and ship it with their new systems. But, I absolutely hate how the GUI looks. Not only does it look and feel nothing like Windows, the color schemes and wallpaper and what-not are about as ugly as they could get. I know some people like it, but some people liked Windows 8 and some like Windows 11, so I digress.

 

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Edit: 

 You post right before I did, @ryan 

As you can see, Zorin was my top recommendation. When you run Zorin from USB in try-out mode you will be given the option to install it. When you start the installation it will detect Windows and give you the option to install it along side Windows. It should walk you through how much space you want to give Zorin, etc. It will resize your Windows partition according to the instructions you give it if you choose to install it on the same drive as Windows. It also has built-in NVIDIA and AMD GPU support and hybrid graphics support, so it should work fine for your laptop.

No unfortunately, but I can drop the 6800xt in, and install win 7.

[Mr. Fox]

52 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

No unfortunately, but I can drop the 6800xt in, and install win 7.

Yep, I can do that as well. I tested Windows 7 on the Z790 Apex by installing one of my Macrium Reflect images and everything seems to work okay except for the 4090. It really sucks that current generation graphics cards only get driver support for the latest cancer operating systems from the Redmond Mafia. Had AMD done the right thing here it probably would have been enough of a compelling reason for me to flip from green to red, but they took the coward's way out and bowed before the altar of filth like Intel and NVIDIA. The degree to which the tech industry is controlled through conspiracy and fiat is truly repulsive and reflects poorly on the self-anointed masters of zombie muppets.

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, ryan said:

would be fun to get the ball rolling and see real power without thermal limitations

Oh, you can run into thermal limitations with desktop hardware as well. Just increase the voltage high enough to match your max increased Cpu clock speed. Either you reach the limits for the Cpu silicon bin or the thermal limitation. Pick your poison, LOOL

 

All HW have its limitations. Just that the Jokebook HW have a much lower sailing/limits..... 

 

[Mr. Fox]

OK, my T700 product review is live. This is my sixth one. @Raidermanhow are yours working out?

 

Crucial T700 PCIe Gen5 NVMe M.2 SSD Review | ExtremeHW.net

[Raiderman]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

OK, my T700 product review is live. This is my sixth one. @Raidermanhow are yours working out?

 

Crucial T700 PCIe Gen5 NVMe M.2 SSD Review | ExtremeHW.net

Have not ordered one yet. If I order one then I must sit down and install an OS, configure the OS to my liking, install my favorite programs and software. That my friend, is a boat load of time I do not have right now. I would love to get one, as the speeds look really great, but I think I can live without it for now. I am sure Samsung will be releasing a gen 5 soon as well, if they haven't already, which should drop prices as well.

I am trying to locate some time to install the bykski water block and run some benches on the 7900xtx, but it's looking grim. 😔

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

OK, my T700 product review is live. This is my sixth one. @Raidermanhow are yours working out?

 

Crucial T700 PCIe Gen5 NVMe M.2 SSD Review | ExtremeHW.net

 

thats basically the pcie 5.0 ssd to get, at least for the time being. i expect upcoming models to be able and saturate pcie 5.0 4x with seq speeds soon, lets hope 4KB performance will also show a nice bump 🙂 

no reason for me to upgrade yet, still happy with my Firecuda 530 4TB. but its nice to know that my mobo sports a buttload of pcie lanes, so no worries on having to cap the gpu bandwidth for a fast drive 😁

[Papusan]

Fun facts bro @Mr. Fox The voltage slider works with custom @Prema vbios if you have Maxwell Laptop  graphics cards with newer Nvidia drivers. I think you'll need put static overvoltage in custom vbios for Maxwell desktop graphics cards if used with newer drivers. 

CableMod 12VHPWR Adapter Melted (4090)

Caught it early

And if you want peace in mind going with angled connector then just spend 10$ on a CM cable. Not the angled adapter, that one you'll need to put in the trash bin, LOOL

 

Directly from CableMod reps mouth  Is the adapter safe?

 

 

[jaybee83]

ha, ddr5-8200 48GB kits finally available, in the end i went for teamgroup with a tad higher vdimm but also tighter timings vs the gskill kit. looking forward to tweaking it 🙂

bro @Mr. Foxi remember u having some positive experiences with teamgroup modules, right? havent tried them before.

[Talon]

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/97072626

 

I realize this card gets a lot of hate, but for me it's my favorite 40 series card if you don't care about the highest performance. It's matching/beating my 3090 Ti FTW3, using far less power and has better encodes/decoders. It also smashes it to bits with Frame Gen. If Nvidia had given this card 256-bit and 16gb it would have been the card to own for mainstream, but unfortunately were stuck with 12gb which is sort of lack luster in 2023. Price should have been $699 too. 

 

Yesterday my 13900KS went to silicon heaven during a stress test. RIP. It's stock VROUT 1.27-1.28v with a lower thank stock LLC finally gave up on me. It was for the best, the chip sucked down an insane 366w at STOCK and that lowered LLC. It should have never been a "KS". 

 

Luckily I had a MC warranty on the chip. Ran over to MC with full intention of just getting my gift card and leaving. But I did need a GPU for my spare rig as I was using a 7850 HD 2gb as a placeholder. I tried to convince the MC manager to match the Newegg deal and would have grabbed the AMD Asrock Phantom Gaming 7900 XTX for $799 but they would only do $899. I thought about it, and I realize it's a far more powerful card for normal raster, but AMD's recent moves with DLSS just left a terrible sour taste in my mouth. I decided they can go shove it, and turned around to the Nvidia shelf. I found the TUF 4070 Ti OC for $819 on Newegg and they matched that price. Almost MSRP and it has dual BIOS so I could flash the Strix 366w vBIOS. 

 

Anyways I got an OK card. The core seems decent but unfortunately my VRAM is kinda trash. +1100Mhz seems to be my limit, while I've seen other cards doing +2000Mhz. Realistically outside of benching this isn't a big deal so I'm happy. I flashed the Strix vBIOS 366w limit and it will hit that in benchmarks when you unleash the voltage a bit. 

 

Ironically this card can pull 1150mV when you max the slider. It does 1100mV at stock. Why the hell can a 4070 Ti use 1150mV but the 4090 is limited to 1100mV or 1070mV on the "new" Nvidia gimped 4090s. 

 

All in all pretty happy with this card.

[jaybee83]

6 minutes ago, Talon said:

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/97072626

 

I realize this card gets a lot of hate, but for me it's my favorite 40 series card if you don't care about the highest performance. It's matching/beating my 3090 Ti FTW3, using far less power and has better encodes/decoders. It also smashes it to bits with Frame Gen. If Nvidia had given this card 256-bit and 16gb it would have been the card to own for mainstream, but unfortunately were stuck with 12gb which is sort of lack luster in 2023. Price should have been $699 too. 

 

Yesterday my 13900KS went to silicon heaven during a stress test. RIP. It's stock VROUT 1.27-1.28v with a lower thank stock LLC finally gave up on me. It was for the best, the chip sucked down an insane 366w at STOCK and that lowered LLC. It should have never been a "KS". 

 

Luckily I had a MC warranty on the chip. Ran over to MC with full intention of just getting my gift card and leaving. But I did need a GPU for my spare rig as I was using a 7850 HD 2gb as a placeholder. I tried to convince the MC manager to match the Newegg deal and would have grabbed the AMD Asrock Phantom Gaming 7900 XTX for $799 but they would only do $899. I thought about it, and I realize it's a far more powerful card for normal raster, but AMD's recent moves with DLSS just left a terrible sour taste in my mouth. I decided they can go shove it, and turned around to the Nvidia shelf. I found the TUF 4070 Ti OC for $819 on Newegg and they matched that price. Almost MSRP and it has dual BIOS so I could flash the Strix 366w vBIOS. 

 

Anyways I got an OK card. The core seems decent but unfortunately my VRAM is kinda trash. +1100Mhz seems to be my limit, while I've seen other cards doing +2000Mhz. Realistically outside of benching this isn't a big deal so I'm happy. I flashed the Strix vBIOS 366w limit and it will hit that in benchmarks when you unleash the voltage a bit. 

 

Ironically this card can pull 1150mV when you max the slider. It does 1100mV at stock. Why the hell can a 4070 Ti use 1150mV but the 4090 is limited to 1100mV or 1070mV on the "new" Nvidia gimped 4090s. 

 

All in all pretty happy with this card.

aw dude i SO wouldve gone for the 7900xtx instead...but hey, at least ure having fun with it 😁😋

[Talon]

Just now, jaybee83 said:

aw dude i SO wouldve gone for the 7900xtx instead...but hey, at least ure having fun with it 😁😋

 

I've got 30 days to mess around with it and decide but I'll likely be sticking with this card, pretty happy with it. Can't run Cyberpunk 2077 with path tracing on the XTX. 

[electrosoft]

18 minutes ago, Talon said:

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/97072626

 

I realize this card gets a lot of hate, but for me it's my favorite 40 series card if you don't care about the highest performance. It's matching/beating my 3090 Ti FTW3, using far less power and has better encodes/decoders. It also smashes it to bits with Frame Gen. If Nvidia had given this card 256-bit and 16gb it would have been the card to own for mainstream, but unfortunately were stuck with 12gb which is sort of lack luster in 2023. Price should have been $699 too. 

 

Yesterday my 13900KS went to silicon heaven during a stress test. RIP. It's stock VROUT 1.27-1.28v with a lower thank stock LLC finally gave up on me. It was for the best, the chip sucked down an insane 366w at STOCK and that lowered LLC. It should have never been a "KS". 

 

Luckily I had a MC warranty on the chip. Ran over to MC with full intention of just getting my gift card and leaving. But I did need a GPU for my spare rig as I was using a 7850 HD 2gb as a placeholder. I tried to convince the MC manager to match the Newegg deal and would have grabbed the AMD Asrock Phantom Gaming 7900 XTX for $799 but they would only do $899. I thought about it, and I realize it's a far more powerful card for normal raster, but AMD's recent moves with DLSS just left a terrible sour taste in my mouth. I decided they can go shove it, and turned around to the Nvidia shelf. I found the TUF 4070 Ti OC for $819 on Newegg and they matched that price. Almost MSRP and it has dual BIOS so I could flash the Strix 366w vBIOS. 

 

Anyways I got an OK card. The core seems decent but unfortunately my VRAM is kinda trash. +1100Mhz seems to be my limit, while I've seen other cards doing +2000Mhz. Realistically outside of benching this isn't a big deal so I'm happy. I flashed the Strix vBIOS 366w limit and it will hit that in benchmarks when you unleash the voltage a bit. 

 

Ironically this card can pull 1150mV when you max the slider. It does 1100mV at stock. Why the hell can a 4070 Ti use 1150mV but the 4090 is limited to 1100mV or 1070mV on the "new" Nvidia gimped 4090s. 

 

All in all pretty happy with this card.

 

Holy $(%$# 366w even with LLC adjustment? Should been sold as a 13900KKS "Kinda KS" with enough voltage and cooling any K can run like a stock KS. 🙂

 

4070ti isn't a bad card at all. None of Nvidia's cards are bad. They're all actually quite good even the 4060. It is just their pricing and placement. If they had priced the 4070ti like the 3070ti they would have been flying off the shelves. Even $699 like you mention would have moved them a bit faster.

 

Congrats!

 

 

 

 

[Clamibot]

It's here!!!!

 

[Rage Set]

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

thats basically the pcie 5.0 ssd to get, at least for the time being. i expect upcoming models to be able and saturate pcie 5.0 4x with seq speeds soon, lets hope 4KB performance will also show a nice bump 🙂 

no reason for me to upgrade yet, still happy with my Firecuda 530 4TB. but its nice to know that my mobo sports a buttload of pcie lanes, so no worries on having to cap the gpu bandwidth for a fast drive 😁

 

I have a Firecuda 530 4TB and WD 850X 4TB (got it on sale recently). I am struggling to cool them. The entire case is a furnace with 7 NVMe's in it with an air cooler attempting to cool my 3960X and 3090 Hybrid. I am going to have to rethink this build. 

[Talon]

4 minutes ago, Clamibot said:

It's here!!!!

 

Nice!! What did it set you back? 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

I have a Firecuda 530 4TB and WD 850X 4TB (got it on sale recently). I am struggling to cool them. The entire case is a furnace with 7 NVMe's in it with an air cooler attempting to cool my 3960X and 3090 Hybrid. I am going to have to rethink this build. 

Or see if you can use a heatsink cooler. A lot to select from. This if you have the needed space.

 

Then we have the exact same testing with another 2TB FireCuda 530 with heat sink (and no airflow), and the difference is dramatic.

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9912/seagate-firecuda-530-4tb-ssd-king-of-ssds-heatsink-tested/index.html

 

GTX 970 - 3DM Cloud Gate

https://hwbot.org/submission/5310273_papusan_3dmark___cloud_gate_geforce_gtx_970_67427_marks?recalculate=true

[Rage Set]

19 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Or see if you can use a heatsink cooler. A lot to select from. This if you have the needed space.

 

Then we have the exact same testing with another 2TB FireCuda 530 with heat sink (and no airflow), and the difference is dramatic.

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9912/seagate-firecuda-530-4tb-ssd-king-of-ssds-heatsink-tested/index.html

 

On the Asus Zenith II Extreme Alpha, I have both the Firecuda 530 and 850X under the same M.2 "heatsink" and I think that's the problem. While there are thermal pads to transfer the heat to this heatsink, I think it becomes heat soaked and traps the heat. It doesn't help that I have a Hyper M.2 x16 Gen 4 card with four NVMe drives producing heat of their own. I may have to look into a server chassis and put this build in a rack. 

[Papusan]

21 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

On the Asus Zenith II Extreme Alpha, I have both the Firecuda 530 and 850X under the same M.2 "heatsink" and I think that's the problem. While there are thermal pads to transfer the heat to this heatsink, I think it becomes heat soaked and traps the heat. It doesn't help that I have a Hyper M.2 x16 Gen 4 card with four NVMe drives producing heat of their own. I may have to look into a server chassis and put this build in a rack. 

Ok 🙂 Have you checked max temps? Does the ssd thottle down speed? And same problem for both ssd's? Or is the problem when both ssd's are in use?

 

Atto benchmarks is very good benchmarks for ssd's... ATTO Disk Benchmark v4.01.0f1

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5310324_papusan_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforce_gtx_970_74723_marks?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5310347_papusan_3dmark_vantage___performance_(gpu)_geforce_gtx_970_64482_marks?recalculate=true

 

Ranked #71 Papusan @ HWBOT

[Mr. Fox]

@jaybee83yes I have had overall good resuls with TeamGroup DDR5. Better luck than I normally do with G.SKILL.

 

@Talonsorry to hear about your 13900KS. My 13900K is dead now and I have no idea why. I had sold my Z690 Apex and 13900KF and had been waiting for the Dark Base Pro 901 case to ship from be quiet. Since I received the Z790 Apex and installed it, the Z690 Dark mobo CPU had been sitting on a shelf. Everything was working flawlessly when I stopped using it.

 

Today I made an open bench because I am tired of waiting for the Dark Base Pro to ship and wanted to be able to use the Z690 Dark. I got everything set up and when I turned it on for the first time I found it will not complete POST. It just keeps cycling through Q-codes. After taking it out and examining everything I found nothing wrong. I put it back in the socket and tested again, thinking maybe it was not seated correctly and no change. I dropped in a Celeron CPU in to see if everything works and it does. I put the 13900K back in after testing with the Celeron and same outcome. 

 

So, I am using the Celeron until I can get another 13900K. I PM'd a fellow on overclock.net about one he has for sale. Waiting to hear back.

 

Edited July 15, 2023 by Mr. Fox
fixed tons of typos from falling asleep at keyboard

[seanwee]

Horizon Zero Dawn

 

[jaybee83]

9 hours ago, Clamibot said:

It's here!!!!

 

 

dude, you must be so proud and excited right now 😁 keep us updated on temps, clocks, performance, everything! u gonna do some tweaking to it, i.e. thermal pads, repasting, etc?

 

9 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

I have a Firecuda 530 4TB and WD 850X 4TB (got it on sale recently). I am struggling to cool them. The entire case is a furnace with 7 NVMe's in it with an air cooler attempting to cool my 3960X and 3090 Hybrid. I am going to have to rethink this build. 

 

6 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

On the Asus Zenith II Extreme Alpha, I have both the Firecuda 530 and 850X under the same M.2 "heatsink" and I think that's the problem. While there are thermal pads to transfer the heat to this heatsink, I think it becomes heat soaked and traps the heat. It doesn't help that I have a Hyper M.2 x16 Gen 4 card with four NVMe drives producing heat of their own. I may have to look into a server chassis and put this build in a rack. 

 

huh! hows ur airflow set up? might be sufficient to add an extra fan or two for additional airflow over the heatsinks. also, are the firecuda and wd850x covered by a big fat gpu?

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

@jaybee83yes I have had overall good resuls with TeamGroup DDR5. Better luck than I normally do with G.SKILL.

 

@Talonsorry to header about your 13900KSmy 13900K is dead now and I have no idea why. I had sold my Z690 Apex and 13900KF and had been waiting for the Dark Base Pro 901 case to ship from be quiet. Since I received the Z90 Apex the Z390 Dark mobo and CPU had been sitting on a shelf. Everything was working flawlessly when I stopped using it.

 

Today I made an open bench because I am tired of waiting and wanted to be able to use the Z690 Dark. I got everything set up and when I turned it on iit will not complete POST, just keeps cycling through Q-codes. I dropped in a Celeron CPU to see if everything works and it does. I put the 13900K back in and same outcome. 

 

So, I am using the Celeron until I can get another 13900K. I PM'd a fellow on overclocl.net about one he has for sale.

 

mkay...hope this isnt some kinda new trend popping up with 13900K(S) cpus dying left n right 😅

thx for the info on the teamgroup modules 🙂

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

mkay...hope this isnt some kinda new trend popping up with 13900K(S) cpus dying left n right 😅

thx for the info on the teamgroup modules 🙂

I hope not too but I don't think so. It's just a very unfortunate coincidence. It looks like I was drunk when I typed out that post. I'm going to have to go back and edit it. I was falling asleep at the keyboard and made quite a mess of it.

 

What I find so strange about it is that nothing was wrong when I took the motherboard out and set it on the shelf with the CPU in place. It never even  booted once when I tried to power it up. I'm almost thinking it has to be some kind of power surge or ESD related thing when I first turned it on or something like that. Because nothing other than plug-in electrical connections and memory were disturbed. CPU and heat sink were not disturbed. ESD here is absolutely insane due to the low humidity.

 

I can't find any outward visible evidence of an issue. None of the contacts on the underside are discolored and I have examined the die closely with a powerful magnifying glass. There's no sign of hot spots, chips or cracks. All of the SMDs on the CPU are intact. Visually, everything looks normal. I do not get a "00" Q-code and no hanging during POST. I initially thought it was a memory training issue. It behaves like one. Maybe it is the IMC that died. The CPU does get warm with power going to it, but the Q-codes never stop cycling. It booted instantly with the Celeron CPU.

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Anyhoo... here is my homemade open bench I am using while waiting for be quiet! to send me the case. I have about $15 invested in this, including the piece of black walnut that I bought at Home Depot to use for the GPU's PCIe bracket to attach to. It's a cheap $10 steel monitor stand from Amazon with the EVGA PCB and standoffs included with Dark motherboards attached to the monitor stand. I actually like it. It works perfectly for this.  The leg heights are adjustable and the lowest height provides just the right amount of clearance for the PSU to sit on the desk under it.

 

 

 

 

 

[Talon]

Just now, Mr. Fox said:

@jaybee83yes I have had overall good resuls with TeamGroup DDR5. Better luck than I normally do with G.SKILL.

 

@Talonsorry to hear about your 13900KS. My 13900K is dead now and I have no idea why. I had sold my Z690 Apex and 13900KF and had been waiting for the Dark Base Pro 901 case to ship from be quiet. Since I received the Z790 Apex and installed it, the Z690 Dark mobo CPU had been sitting on a shelf. Everything was working flawlessly when I stopped using it.

 

Today I made an open bench because I am tired of waiting for the Dark Base Pro to ship and wanted to be able to use the Z690 Dark. I got everything set up and when I turned it on for the first time I found it will not complete POST. It just keeps cycling through Q-codes. After taking it out and examining everything I found nothing wrong. I put it back in the socket and tested again, thinking maybe it was not seated correctly and no change. I dropped in a Celeron CPU in to see if everything works and it does. I put the 13900K back in after testing with the Celeron and same outcome. 

 

So, I am using the Celeron until I can get another 13900K. I PM'd a fellow on overclock.net about one he has for sale. Waiting to hear back.

 

 

If you want another 13900KS provantage has over 500 tray 13900KS in stock since a few days ago. 

 

https://www.provantage.com/service/searchsvcs?QUERY=13900ks&SUBMIT.x=0&SUBMIT.y=0

 

I think Central Computers also got a few retail units in stock as well and they don't charge sales tax so it almost works out to the same price as a tray. 

 

Nevermind just checked, CC is out of stock of retail but has OEM/Tray in stock. 

 

https://www.centralcomputer.com/intel-core-i9-13900ks-13th-gen-processor-24-core-processor-tray-cm8071504820503.html

 

 

Personally I'll be waiting for 14900K that will drop in 2-3 months. 

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Today I made an open bench because I am tired of waiting for the Dark Base Pro to ship and wanted to be able to use the Z690 Dark. I got everything set up and when I turned it on for the first time I found it will not complete POST. It just keeps cycling through Q-codes. After taking it out and examining everything I found nothing wrong. I put it back in the socket and tested again, thinking maybe it was not seated correctly and no change. I dropped in a Celeron CPU in to see if everything works and it does. I put the 13900K back in after testing with the Celeron and same outcome. 

Seems the trend with bleeding edge tech continue. Didn't know CableMod made Intel processors, HaHa

 

Sorry for all this mess😞 14900K can't come fast enough. So I can have my 13900K as spare parts.

 

90 degree adaptor melted

90 degree adapter melted inside my 4080, can i get it replaced?

i finally got my 90 degree adapter off my gpu, it looks a little melted?

 

Regarding bleeding edge tech/new has to be better. Nope. The only reason I flashed to the newest Asus bios was because I know you could easly roll back firmware to the old and better. 

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-asus-strix-maximus-z690-owners-thread.1794802/post-29213134

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

10 hours ago, Talon said:

 

If you want another 13900KS provantage has over 500 tray 13900KS in stock since a few days ago. 

 

https://www.provantage.com/service/searchsvcs?QUERY=13900ks&SUBMIT.x=0&SUBMIT.y=0

 

I think Central Computers also got a few retail units in stock as well and they don't charge sales tax so it almost works out to the same price as a tray. 

 

Nevermind just checked, CC is out of stock of retail but has OEM/Tray in stock. 

 

https://www.centralcomputer.com/intel-core-i9-13900ks-13th-gen-processor-24-core-processor-tray-cm8071504820503.html

 

 

Personally I'll be waiting for 14900K that will drop in 2-3 months. 

Thanks. I will wait for the guy on oc.net to get back to me. If his is still available I made a full price offer and the SP is a little bit better than the one that died. That's too much money. Same price as local Best Buy on the 13900K. If the guy does not respond within the next hour or so (I sent him a PM almost 10 hours ago and he has not been on the forum for 7 days) I my just grab a 13700K from Best Buy for $375 and wait for 14900K to drop.