*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

ESD here is absolutely insane due to the low humidity.

Does it help with a couple of humidifiers in your office?

 

And what with the warranty for your dead 13900K? Gone due delidding?

 

Yep, better recommend their 90 degrees cables... They should have done this long time ago. I can't grasp why people wanted an adapter instead for the cables. But that's me. And the cables with angled connectors should be free for all those that bought their angled adapters. So good to see that CM also make this move 

 

Yep, I have been an advocate for cables. Not adapters. So nice to see that also CableMod also has woken up to reality.

[Mr. Fox]

25 minutes ago, Papusan said:

And what with the warranty for your dead 13900K? Gone due delidding?

Yes, absolutely. The choice between warranty and a CPU that runs cooler and overclocks better is a no-brainer. Warranty is worth sacrificing. I only care about the initial warranty and return policy in case the place I buy it sells me a piece of trash lottery loser.

[Papusan]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, absolutely. The choice between warranty and a CPU that runs cooler and overclocks better is a no-brainer. Warranty is worth sacrificing. I only care about the initial warranty and return policy in case the place I buy it sells me a piece of trash lottery loser.

Thats a fair trade-off. And here you can see a more fair priced graphics card. Maybe I buy one if the price drop below $150. Or even better... $125. But I doub't we will see such prices here home.

 

 

 

Finally correct price for 8GB graphics cards. Nvidia and AMD should follow suit. 

ASRock Arc A750 Challenger 8GB is now available for just $179 videocardz.com

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

If you want another 13900KS provantage has over 500 tray 13900KS in stock since a few days ago. 

 

https://www.provantage.com/service/searchsvcs?QUERY=13900ks&SUBMIT.x=0&SUBMIT.y=0

 

I think Central Computers also got a few retail units in stock as well and they don't charge sales tax so it almost works out to the same price as a tray. 

 

Nevermind just checked, CC is out of stock of retail but has OEM/Tray in stock. 

 

https://www.centralcomputer.com/intel-core-i9-13900ks-13th-gen-processor-24-core-processor-tray-cm8071504820503.html

 

 

Personally I'll be waiting for 14900K that will drop in 2-3 months. 

 

As always, I'll be waiting day one to see your results bro. 🙂

 

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thanks. I will wait for the guy on oc.net to get back to me. If his is still available I made a full price offer and the SP is a little bit better than the one that died. That's took much money. Same price as local Best Buy on the 13900K. If the guy does not respond within the next hour or so (I sent him a PM almost 10 hours ago and he has not been on the forum for 7 days) I my just grab a 13700K from Best Buy for $375 and wait for 14900K to drop.

 

Well, there's always this SP117 on eBay for $2500.....

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Well, there's always this SP117 on eBay for $2500.....

LOL. I'm not inclined to spend more than MSRP even for a silicon lottery winner. AMD and Intel have an utterly worthless warrant that says overclocking voids the warranty so basically they have no warranty. Silicon lottery winners die more often than crummy silicon samples, or so it seems. No point in paying more. Just jack the voltage higher and enjoy rag-dolling the crap out of it. If it lives, great. If not, chances are it was going to die for no explainable reason anyway. I've had this happen 3 times in the past 3-4 years. Just stops working for no apparent reason. In the end it's all gonna burn, so it doesn't matter. At least it's not BGA dung. Toss it and drop another one in.

[ryan]

got an awesome deal on my first stick. 0.00

 

second stick pricing below

[Talon]

Just now, electrosoft said:

 

As always, I'll be waiting day one to see your results bro. 🙂

 

 

 

Well, there's always this SP117 on eBay for $2500.....

 

 

 

Looking forward to tinkering with a new chip. Honestly just hoping for another big IMC jump. 

 

Also that chip is running at 1.51v IMC LOL. Here, take my heavily abused 13900KS for $2500 that is going to quickly shown up by a 14900K in a couple months lol. Sorry they missed the boat on selling that IMO. Might have been a different story if they had sold it on launch or if it was the last chip for the socket, but luckily were getting some improved silicon. 

[Papusan]

Bro @electrosoft You don't want be one of those cool kids?😁 I expect you'll never ever use that new angled adapter. But wouldn't it be nice be really cool?😆 

 

 

Guess I’m one of the cool kids now 🥲🥲🥲(TUF 4090)

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Some of you may remember Razer's engineers put the vbios chips for their first gen Razerbooks below the heatpipes? The vbios chips cooked to death. 

 

Maybe Asus hired those engineers from Razer? Or is this the new normal for new tech? 

ASUS releases statement on ROG Ally SD card reader problems

[Mr. Fox]

45 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Or is this the new normal for new tech? 

The new normal for technology is to make the products fragile and less than durable with a targeted lifespan just slightly longer than the manufacturer's warranty. They want the products they sell to fail so they can sell more products. They rush things to market with known engineering defects in hopes that it opens up the opportunity for them to sell a revised version with the defects corrected. So potentially doubling their money off of each customer sucker. Being one of the first to purchase any product that is new to market demonstrates a lack of wisdom, or a failure to employ good judgment. 

 

It's always better to watch somebody else struggle with broken trash than to be numbered among them. Some of these things (like that thing) I would not want even if it were a free gift. I've got no use for trash like that. If I wanted to have a sucky game experience I can already do that on my smartphone for free.

[electrosoft]

28 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Bro @electrosoft You don't want be one of those cool kids?😁 I expect you'll never ever use that new angled adapter. But wouldn't it be nice be really cool?😆 

 

 

Guess I’m one of the cool kids now 🥲🥲🥲(TUF 4090)

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Some of you may remember Razer's engineers put the vbios chips for their first gen Razerbooks below the heatpipes? The vbios chips cooked to death. 

 

Maybe Asus hired those engineers from Razer? Or is this the new normal for new tech? 

ASUS releases statement on ROG Ally SD card reader problems

 

Sheesh, even the angled adapters aren't safe....

 

I'm more than happy with my tentacled stock beauty. 🙂

 

 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

They rush things to market with known engineering defects in hopes that it opens up the opportunity for them to sell a revised version with the defects corrected.

As etc this one. People buy a brand new launched ATX 3.0 PSU with the now EOL 12VHPWR power connector... Yep, the innovative two colored 12VHPWR connector is nice to have but now EOL. Damn happy I follow my own head/mind and newer jumped on the ATX 3.0 hype train.... 

 

The MAG GL Series is compact, feature-packed, and ready for the future

https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/10475/power-all-your-gaming-needs-with-msis-atx-and-pcie-range-of-psus/index.html

 

Having a broad understanding of different components and what they bring is key. In the case of power supplies, the good news is that MSI's new MAG GL Series, MEG Ai1300P, and MPG A1000G are ATX 3.0 compatible and PCIe 5.0 ready and deliver when it comes to features, build quality, and future-proofing. What is future-proof with an EOL power connector?

 

Here's yet another waste of money. You'll only have one single 8-pin connector available... From an 1200W PSU. Swap over to AMD Radeon graphics cards and you're screwed. Nice.

 

FSP Hydro PTM X Pro 1200W Platinum Review

https://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/zardon/fsp-hydro-ptm-x-pro-1200w-platinum-review/3/

 

Where is AMD into this? Don't they see that the PSU Manufacturers/vendors remove options for the consumers to own and buy AMD graphics hardware?

 

And new is better. Always. Disgusting?

 

I replaced it with a X570 Taichi Razor Edition and sli was restored and working OK. I then upgraded the BIOS to the latest version and sli would no longer work.......

[Raiderman]

So, I ordered the water block for the 7900xtx from ebay, hoping that it was a bykski.... Saved $80

Maybe sneak in some time tomorrow to put it on...

 

[Rage Set]

13 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

huh! hows ur airflow set up? might be sufficient to add an extra fan or two for additional airflow over the heatsinks. also, are the firecuda and wd850x covered by a big fat gpu?

 

I have multiple fans. I believe the problem is the mobo's built-in heat spreader becoming heat soaked from the two SSD's. An EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid sits on top of the heat spreader. I got a few Thermalright heatsinks coming on Monday.

 

This build is in my basement. Right next to my rack of servers. Normally, due to this being a basement, I don't need any extra cooling. The weather is causing what is usually a cool 60 to 65F to be in the high 70's. 

 

This case wasn't the best idea for this build. I am using the Corsair 680X (I love dual chamber cases) but I am either going to get a Define 7 XL or an actual server chassis to put it in soon. I am going to "retire" this build anyway and it will live out its days as a Proxmox server. 

[Mr. Fox]

So, looks like I got a decent bin on the 13700K.  I wonder what the SP ratings look like? I haven't done any tuning yet. Just grabbed some numbers that I was pretty sure would work unless I got an extra bad sample and *boom* they worked.

 

[Papusan]

On 7/14/2023 at 7:51 AM, Mr. Fox said:

Well, it was 114°F today, but it has finally cooled down to a brisk 104°F just before 11:00 PM. Tomorrow will be hotter.

 

 

Not sure what's better... cholera or pest. At least you have an normal summer. 

 

Now it's getting colder. The cold North will be even colder. Nice with summer an a warming sun. Can't beat 12C and wind. And end of Aug and the weather will be colder for every new day. 

 

- Arctic air blows down to southern Norway. The cool air will bring lower temperatures than it usually is in July. This applies to the whole country, but especially here in the south, Walløe tells Dagbladet.

 

  - It will be quite windy, but with a good chance of over 20 degrees tomorrow. At the start of the week it will start to drop to around 12 degrees. Or 53.6°F. 

[Clamibot]

On 7/14/2023 at 6:38 PM, Talon said:

Nice!! What did it set you back? 

About $628, tax included. I could've paid $552 for it if Newegg would've let me use their ZIPTECH code suring their Fantastech sale, but for some reason I was ineligible to use ZIP as a payment method. They forced me to pay full price. Oh well, they were about to sell out so I had to get one anyway, and there wasn't a card with a better price to performance ratio that would meet my needs and wants. Had I waited, I'd be getting double screwed. At least the card came with Starfield, and I'm really hyped for it!

 

19 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

dude, you must be so proud and excited right now 😁 keep us updated on temps, clocks, performance, everything! u gonna do some tweaking to it, i.e. thermal pads, repasting, etc?

 

 

 

huh! hows ur airflow set up? might be sufficient to add an extra fan or two for additional airflow over the heatsinks. also, are the firecuda and wd850x covered by a big fat gpu?

 

 

mkay...hope this isnt some kinda new trend popping up with 13900K(S) cpus dying left n right 😅

thx for the info on the teamgroup modules 🙂

Yep, you know it! I'm not a benchmarker of the same breed as a lot of the other members here, but I do enjoy doing game benchmarking! I'm a performance enthusiast for games and general usage software! I'm an ADVANCED gamerboy.🤣

[Rage Set]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Not sure what's better... cholera or pest. At least you have an normal summer. 

 

Now it's getting colder. The cold North will be even colder. Nice with summer an a warming sun. Can't beat 12C and wind. And end of Aug and the weather will be colder for every new day. 

 

- Arctic air blows down to southern Norway. The cool air will bring lower temperatures than it usually is in July. This applies to the whole country, but especially here in the south, Walløe tells Dagbladet.

 

  - It will be quite windy, but with a good chance of over 20 degrees tomorrow. At the start of the week it will start to drop to around 12 degrees. Or 53.6°F. 

 

I CAN NOT wait until it gets colder here. Even with the rain storms we have been getting, we are still averaging mid 80's or 29C. The humidity is kicking my butt. 

[jaybee83]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, looks like I got a decent bin on the 13700K.  I wonder what the SP ratings look like? I haven't done any tuning yet. Just grabbed some numbers that I was pretty sure would work unless I got an extra bad sample and *boom* they worked.

 

oooh do i glimpse a 6900XT there? surprising to see that in a fox build 😏 mustve missed that during my absence haha

[Etern4l]

On 7/15/2023 at 8:38 AM, Mr. Fox said:

My 13900K is dead now and I have no idea why.

 

Sorry to hear, annoying. What mods did you subject the CPU to? A delid if I recall correctly, in which case a LM-related short would be an option. Did you bother with conformal coating? There was no foam dam, right?

 

Meanwhile, PTM7958 on the die is holding up well enough for me, although I have been feeling that the temps could be a bit better (hovering mostly below 90C at full load of about 220W with 26C ambient), so have been fighting the temptation to switch to Conductonaut... Your "unexplained CPU failure" report is sobering though, probably best to hold off until the Raptor Lake refresh...

[Mr. Fox]

8 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

oooh do i glimpse a 6900XT there? surprising to see that in a fox build 😏 mustve missed that during my absence haha

Yes, I got it from Brother @Rage Setnot too long ago. It has been interesting. It's a pretty decent GPU all things considered and I am glad that I got it from him. It was good that I got it in the manner I did. I now have no desire to investigate 7900 XTX. It satisfied my curiosity about AMD GPUs in a more favorable way than 5950X did on the CPU side. It has basically an identical Byksi block at my 4090 Suprim. It is hard to tell them apart other than the power connectors.

 

4 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Sorry to hear, annoying. What mods did you subject the CPU to? A delid if I recall correctly, in which case a LM-related short would be an option. Did you bother with conformal coating? There was no foam dam, right?

 

Meanwhile, PTM7958 on the die is holding up well enough for me, although I have been feeling that the temps could be a bit better (hovering mostly below 90C at full load of about 220W with 26C ambient), so have been fighting the temptation to switch to Conductonaut... Your "unexplained CPU failure" report is sobering though, probably best to hold off until the Raptor Lake refresh...

I picked up a 13700KF to hold me over until 14900K drops. I will either pick up one of those or snag a good deal on a used 13900KS when early adopters start dropping them after upgrading to 14th Gen.

 

I run things bare die. No chance of shorting or anything wrong at the hardware level. I confirmed it visually. Nothing was disturbed physically. Everything was working fine. I received the Z790 Apex. Swapped CPUs and had both systems working. The motherboard, CPU and water block and RAM were removed as a complete assembly a few weeks ago and set on the shelf to wait for the Dark Base Pro 901 to arrive. I used the 5000D Airflow case to build a complete PC from spare parts (Strix Z690-E mobo) that I sold. I took the assembly off the shelf and installed it on my homemade open bench (photo above) and the problem was present. 

 

I am pretty sure it had to be a severe ESD zapping or a power surge. Something external and nothing related to mods. ESD here is horrible with the extreme dry heat. ESD has killed numerous LEDs and this is my third sudden unexplained CPU death in 3 or 4 years (first on this platform, twice on 10th Gen). It could have been zapped while removing the assembly from the old case or while setting this up. No idea when, only know the point of discovery.

 

ESD is so bad here that sometimes when I leave my desk and return and go to touch the mouse or keyboard the first time it zaps me hard enough for all of the LEDs on the keyboard and mouse to go dark and the monitor goes black for 1 or 2 seconds. A few times in the past couple of years (maybe explaining the CPU deaths) the ESD was so bad it caused my PC to reboot like hitting the reset button.

---

Here is another interesting observation for anyone that might be experiencing something similar. I thought is was a sketchy 4090 issue, but it seems to be monitor related.

 

I was having random black screens on the system with the 4090. Almost never in Windows, usually at POST or in the BIOS. It seemed like the 4090 was going into a power saving mode. If I entered the BIOS and did nothing and let it sit idle on a screen it would sometimes go black after a period of inactivity. This was with the 165Hz 1440P IPS Acer Predator monitor I have owned for a long time. I now have the 6900 XT connected to that monitor. It has happened a couple of times with the AMD GPU. It has not happened once in several weeks with the 4090 connected to my 144Hz AOC 1080P IPS monitor trio. So, maybe my monitor is glitching out. It is weird that it does not ever happen in Windows. In fact, when the glitch occurs the screen can be black during POST and start working when Windows loads. So, while it does seem like it might be power/utilization related where the monitor goes to sleep, it occurs with both GPUs when the video output signal is at its weakest point.

[Raiderman]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, I got it from Brother @Rage Setnot too long ago. It has been interesting. It's a pretty decent GPU all things considered and I am glad that I got it from him. It was good that I got it in the manner I did. Now I have no desire to investigate 7900 XTX. It satisfied my curiosity about AMD GPUs in a more favorable way than 5950X did on hte CPU side. It has basically an identical Byksi block at my 4090 Suprim. It is hard to tell them apart other than the power connectors.

 

I picked up a 13700KF to hold me over until 14900K drops. I will either pick up one of those are snag a good deal on a used 13900KS when early adopters start dropping them after upgrading to 14th Gen.

 

I run things bare die. No chance of shorting or anything wrong at the hardware level. I confirmed it visually. Nothing was disturbed physically. Everything was working fine. I received the Z790 Apex. Swapped CPUs and had both systems working. The motherboard, CPU and water block and RAM were removed as a complete assembly a few weeks ago and set on the shelf to wait for the Dark Base Pro 901 to arrive. I used the 5000D Airflow case to build a complete PC from spare parts (Strix Z690-E mobo) that I sold. I took the assembly off the shelf and installed it on my homemade open bench (photo above) and the problem was present. 

 

I am pretty sure it had to be a severe ESD zapping or a power surge. Something external and nothing related to mods. ESD here is horrible with the extreme dry heat. ESD has killed numerous LEDs and this is my third sudden unexplained CPU death in 3 or 4 years (first on this platform, twice on 10th Gen). It could have been zapped while removing the assembly from the old case or while setting this up. No idea when, only know the point of discovery.

 

ESD is so bad here that sometimes when I leave my desk and return and go to touch the mouse or keyboard the first time it zaps me hard enough for all of the LEDs on the keyboard and mouse to go dark and the monitor goes black for 1 or 2 seconds. A few times in the past couple of years (maybe explaining the CPU deaths) the ESD was so bad it caused my PC to reboot like hitting the reset button.

 

---

Here is another interesting observation for anyone that might be experiencing something similar. I thought is was a sketchy 4090 issue, but it seems to be monitor related.

 

I was having random black screens on the system with the 4090. Almost never in Windows, usually at POST or in the BIOS. It seemed like the 4090 was going into a power saving mode. If I entered the BIOS and did nothing and let it sit idle on a screen it would sometimes go black after a period of inactivity. This was with the 165Hz IPS Acer Predator monitor I have owned for a long time. I now have the 6900 XT connected to that monitor. It has happened a couple of times with the AMD GPU. It has not happened once in several weeks with the 4090 connected to my 144Hz AOC 1080P IPS monitor trio. So, maybe my monitor is glitching out. It is weird that it does not every happen in Windows. In fact, when the glitch occurs the screen can be black during POST and start working when Windows loads.

Sounds like you should wear a tethered wrist band attached to an overhead track system, which is connected to a grounding rod. Or mount a piece of rebar in your office to grab before touching anything electronic. 🤣

[Mr. Fox]

46 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Sounds like you should wear a tethered wrist band attached to an overhead track system, which is connected to a grounding rod. Or mount a piece of rebar in your office to grab before touching anything electronic. 🤣

Unfortunately, I think you might be right. I have considered making life extremely inconvenient by doing something drastic like that. It affects more than my computer stuff. It even blows light bulbs on lamps fairly often. I walk up to a lamp and reach for the knob to turn it off and it zaps it hard enough that it blows out the bulb. Happens to both LED and incandescent.

[Etern4l]

22 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, I got it from Brother @Rage Setnot too long ago. It has been interesting. It's a pretty decent GPU all things considered and I am glad that I got it from him. It was good that I got it in the manner I did. I now have no desire to investigate 7900 XTX. It satisfied my curiosity about AMD GPUs in a more favorable way than 5950X did on the CPU side. It has basically an identical Byksi block at my 4090 Suprim. It is hard to tell them apart other than the power connectors.

 

I picked up a 13700KF to hold me over until 14900K drops. I will either pick up one of those or snag a good deal on a used 13900KS when early adopters start dropping them after upgrading to 14th Gen.

 

I run things bare die. No chance of shorting or anything wrong at the hardware level. I confirmed it visually. Nothing was disturbed physically. Everything was working fine. I received the Z790 Apex. Swapped CPUs and had both systems working. The motherboard, CPU and water block and RAM were removed as a complete assembly a few weeks ago and set on the shelf to wait for the Dark Base Pro 901 to arrive. I used the 5000D Airflow case to build a complete PC from spare parts (Strix Z690-E mobo) that I sold. I took the assembly off the shelf and installed it on my homemade open bench (photo above) and the problem was present. 

 

I am pretty sure it had to be a severe ESD zapping or a power surge. Something external and nothing related to mods. ESD here is horrible with the extreme dry heat. ESD has killed numerous LEDs and this is my third sudden unexplained CPU death in 3 or 4 years (first on this platform, twice on 10th Gen). It could have been zapped while removing the assembly from the old case or while setting this up. No idea when, only know the point of discovery.

 

ESD is so bad here that sometimes when I leave my desk and return and go to touch the mouse or keyboard the first time it zaps me hard enough for all of the LEDs on the keyboard and mouse to go dark and the monitor goes black for 1 or 2 seconds. A few times in the past couple of years (maybe explaining the CPU deaths) the ESD was so bad it caused my PC to reboot like hitting the reset button.

---

Here is another interesting observation for anyone that might be experiencing something similar. I thought is was a sketchy 4090 issue, but it seems to be monitor related.

 

I was having random black screens on the system with the 4090. Almost never in Windows, usually at POST or in the BIOS. It seemed like the 4090 was going into a power saving mode. If I entered the BIOS and did nothing and let it sit idle on a screen it would sometimes go black after a period of inactivity. This was with the 165Hz IPS Acer Predator monitor I have owned for a long time. I now have the 6900 XT connected to that monitor. It has happened a couple of times with the AMD GPU. It has not happened once in several weeks with the 4090 connected to my 144Hz AOC 1080P IPS monitor trio. So, maybe my monitor is glitching out. It is weird that it does not ever happen in Windows. In fact, when the glitch occurs the screen can be black during POST and start working when Windows loads. So, while it does seem like it might be power/utilization related where the monitor goes to sleep when the video output signal is at its weakest point.

That’s kind of reassuring. What sort of humidity (or pack thereof) are we talking about? I bought some humidifiers to keep things in the 30-40% range based on your comment that it helps with cooling as well. A bit of extra maintenance but they do the job.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

That’s kind of reassuring. What sort of humidity (or pack thereof) are we talking about? I bought some humidifiers to keep things in the 30-40% range based on your comment that it helps with cooling as well. A bit of extra maintenance but they do the job.

It varies but it is often in the low teens and that is when it becomes extremely annoying. Can't touch anything without getting zapped and I have to use hair spray to keep my hair from looking crazy. It is higher than normal right now inside my house and it is 34%. Anything below 40% is considered abnormally low. Outside it is 24%.

 

We get our mail delivered at a cluster box around the corner. If it is at night that I go to the mailbox, I frequently get an ESD arc that is 2 to 3 inches long when I go to insert the key into the mailbox and it is audible, like a bug zapper (not as loud, but you can hear it). It is not painful, but it is always startling even though it has happened to me many hundreds of times. It happens during the day, too. I mentioned at night because you can see the bright flash from the arc  easily after dark.

[Etern4l]

42 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It varies but it is often in the low teens and that is when it becomes extremely annoying. Can't touch anything without getting zapped and I have to use hair spray to keep my hair from looking crazy. It is higher than normal right now inside my house and it is 34%. Anything below 40% is considered abnormally low. Outside it is 24%.

 

We get our mail delivered at a cluster box around the corner. If it is at night that I go to the mailbox, I frequently get an ESD arc that is 2 to 3 inches long when I go to insert the key into the mailbox and it is audible, like a bug zapper (not as loud, but you can hear it). It is not painful, but it is always startling even though it has happened to me many hundreds of times.

 

Alright, that's fairly arid. I wonder if that desert dust also plays some role - probably not, since silica is an insulator.