*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

X3D on laptops? Yessir!

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-rog-laptop-with-amd-ryzen-9-7945hx3d-cpu-has-been-listed-by-retailers

 

Ancient Gameplays with a nice breakdown of increasing AMD memory speeds.  Hopefully AMD can make major inroads with future releases to take better advantage of faster frequencies on DDR5 as right now AM5 feels like a 11th/12th gen mashup in regards to being able to properly take advantage of higher speeds (>7200) but we will see.

 

 

new v1516 beta bios dropped for my x670eeeeeeee (how many extremes do we need in a product name? lulz) and i couldnt resist, flashed it and did some quick testing: it does indeed improve ram capabilities even at 1:1 synchronous / Gear 1, able to boot at 6600, currently stresstesting 6400. i was stuck at 6200 previously :) good tweaking times ahead! 

[ryan]

@jaybee83 @Mr. Fox @Papusanis this safe?

 

https://windowsxlite.com/2075pro/

 

I have never tried a lite windows and don't know much about the source, I seem to have bad(dumb) luck with new programs, im downloading it right now and won't install it until I find out more.

 

 

update I cancelled download as it seems suspect, mediafire and he put all the effort into this.

 

jay where did you get your pheonix os from? does it cost money?

[Papusan]

17 minutes ago, ryan said:

@jaybee83 @Mr. Fox @Papusanis this safe?

 

https://windowsxlite.com/2075pro/

 

I have never tried a lite windows and don't know much about the source, I seem to have bad(dumb) luck with new programs, im downloading it right now and won't install it until I find out more.

 

 

update I cancelled download as it seems suspect, mediafire and he put all the effort into this.

 

jay where did you get your pheonix os from? does it cost money?

If you can't get this correct.... Then you are either noob or new into OS tuning.... From their Youtube channel videos two months ago.

 

User: Ive been running win10 lite iso's for awhile now but have an i7 12700h and needed a win11 lite build to take advantage of direct storage.. your reflection build is pretty great.. although one little thing.. you have automatic driver installation on.. so on my clean install, when i connected to the internet, windows updated all my drivers in the background while i was trying to update them manually.. i turned it off manually and rebooted but was too late and had to rreinstall the os again turn off the windows driver updates before i did anything else. other than that it's freaking great.. no noticeable performance loss coming from windows 10..

 

@WindowsX-Lite: You could try our latest W11 build, 'Exceptional 11' which has metered connection enabled for all new connections and types, which means it won't download drivers automatically (until you turn metered connection off)

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

new v1516 beta bios dropped for my x670eeeeeeee (how many extremes do we need in a product name? lulz) and i couldnt resist, flashed it and did some quick testing: it does indeed improve ram capabilities even at 1:1 synchronous / Gear 1, able to boot at 6600, currently stresstesting 6400. i was stuck at 6200 previously 🙂 good tweaking times ahead! 

 

That bodes well! I am stuck at 6200 for 1:1 too so hopefully this will bring improvements on the MSI side of things too.

 

 

[ryan]

46 minutes ago, Papusan said:

If you can't get this correct.... Then you are either noob or new into OS tuning.... From their Youtube channel videos two months ago.

new, never used a modified OS or done tweaking of the iso. It doesn't seem legit on their youtube channel. alot of complaints and low view count and other things. whats the best in your opinion OS to install. yeah noob question but I just never wanted or needed to modify windows very much as I used windows 7(happy) and windows 11(sad) with startisback gui

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, ryan said:

new, never used a modified OS or done tweaking of the iso. It doesn't seem legit on their youtube channel. alot of complaints and low view count and other things. whats the best in your opinion OS to install. yeah noob question but I just never wanted or needed to modify windows very much as I used windows 7(happy) and windows 11(sad) with startisback gui

I'm not sure whats best, but sure I don't like Win 11 and the direction it goes. So it has to be latest version of Windows 10 if you do some customizations/changes for your likings. If you aren't a gamer maybe Win 10 2021 LTSC and do same tweaks, same as for the latest Win 10 build. Win 10 can be used until October 14, 2025. And the LTSC versions even longer.

 

Yup, you can make Win 11 more like Win 10 with tweaks/software... But put on some lipstick won't change the fact that the OS is still Win 11. 

 

Here are some options to try make Win 11 looks a bit better.

 

[Raiderman]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

That bodes well! I am stuck at 6200 for 1:1 too so hopefully this will bring improvements on the MSI side of things too.

 

 

Same here. Have some 8000mhz sticks in cart and ready 🤣

[ryan]

everythings BS.

[Rage Set]

I found my new server case for my AMD TR build. The ENTHOO PRO 2 SERVER edition. It is coming to market in mid August and I am going to pick up two closed editions. I really wish they included more 3.5'' drive cages than they do...this is supposed to be a server case. I am going to put my X299 mobo in the other and make another storage server. 

[seanwee]

@Papusan

 

@Mr. Fox

 

What debloated windows 10 iso do you guys use for benchmarking then? How do they compare purely score wise?

[Papusan]

On 7/21/2023 at 9:10 AM, jaybee83 said:

1.4 GB RAM usage, waaay too much. sub 1 GB or go home  😄 

I'm already home bro jay😀

 

Not all tweaked OS is equal. But here is the so called Tiny 11 vs default Win 11. You tink the Tiny will do better?😀 You remember I brought up Diminishing returns?

 

 

@seanwee I have several Windows versions I use. Different benchmarks with all the different legacy HW I have often need different OS versions to perform at peak. From Win 7 and upwards up to Win 11. One OS fits all for best benchmark scores is an utopi today (doesn't exist). 

Microsoft do too much changes with their OS nowadays. Same performance from one Win version vs the next feature update can and will differ sligthly. And new bugs doesn't help either to make them perform equal.

[jaybee83]

5 hours ago, ryan said:

@jaybee83 @Mr. Fox @Papusanis this safe?

 

https://windowsxlite.com/2075pro/

 

I have never tried a lite windows and don't know much about the source, I seem to have bad(dumb) luck with new programs, im downloading it right now and won't install it until I find out more.

 

 

update I cancelled download as it seems suspect, mediafire and he put all the effort into this.

 

jay where did you get your pheonix os from? does it cost money?

 

phoenix os is great, unfortunately their website has been down since last year...but u can still get their latest w10 amd w11 builds if u google for them 🙂

 

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

That bodes well! I am stuck at 6200 for 1:1 too so hopefully this will bring improvements on the MSI side of things too.

 

 

 

based on the reports ive seen should be similar for MSI boards 🙂

 

3 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Same here. Have some 8000mhz sticks in cart and ready 🤣

 

lets gooooooooo 😁

 

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

I found my new server case for my AMD TR build. The ENTHOO PRO 2 SERVER edition. It is coming to market in mid August and I am going to pick up two closed editions. I really wish they included more 3.5'' drive cages than they do...this is supposed to be a server case. I am going to put my X299 mobo in the other and make another storage server. 

 

oh yeah, that case also peaked my interest since im sporting the regular enthoo pro II and super happy with it. more space is more better in a case haha.

[seanwee]

31 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I'm already home bro jay😀

 

Not all tweaked OS is equal. But here is the so called Tiny 11 vs default Win 11

 

 

@seanwee I have several Windows versions I use. Different benchmarks with all the different legacy HW I have often need different OS versions to perform at peak. From Win 7 and upwards up to Win 11. One OS fits all for best benchmark scores is an utopi today (doesn't exist). 

Microsoft do too much changes with their OS nowadays. Same performance from one Win version vs the next feature update can and will differ sligthly. And new bugs doesn't help either to make them perform equal.

What do you use for what benchmark then? I'm interested in 3dmark and cinebench r23 specifically.

 

I got my current scores with revios.

[Papusan]

12 hours ago, seanwee said:

What do you use for what benchmark then? I'm interested in 3dmark and cinebench r23 specifically.

 

I got my current scores with revios.

I use mostly Windows 10 (10.0.19045) for 3DM FS and Windows 11 (10.0.22621) for Time Spy (Extreme). And use same Win 11 version for Cinebench. But I also randomly use 4 different Win 10 versions for same benchmarks. Depending what I allready have up on the screen (depends on what GPU I have installed). So Win 10 1809 LTSC,  Win 10 2021 LTSC, 10.0. 19041 and 10.0.19045. Then Win 11 build (22000 and 22621). As well Win 7 and 8.1.  Or 8 different Win OS.

[Mr. Fox]

16 hours ago, seanwee said:

@Papusan

 

@Mr. Fox

 

What debloated windows 10 iso do you guys use for benchmarking then? How do they compare purely score wise?

As @Papusanmentioned, the only way to know which OS works best is to test them. Ghost Spectre has a nice GUI and features, but it is generally terrible for CPU performance (Cinebench, 3DMark Physics and Combined tests, etc.) but good on graphics-only tests like Port Royal and Speed Way.

 

The overall best OS for CPU performance I have found (excluding Windows 7, which is superior to everything released since for CPU and memory performance) is Oprekin.com Lite Plus W11 Pro 21H2. Almost all versions of Windows 8, 10 and 11 are horrible at wPrime32M benchmarks. They take roughly twice as long to complete wPrime32M compared to Windows 7. Sky Diver, 3DMark 11 and Vantage physics tests are also generally vastly superior using Windows 7. You can actually see the lag at the start of some of these tests. It is like nothing happens for the first second or so.

 

Cinebench R23 cannot function on Windows 7. If you remember, it was originally released as a "Micro$oft Store-only" benchmark and they caught a lot of flak for being stupid. Cinebench R23 relies on WinRT files needed for ARM support for some stupid reason. Maybe they knew the superior EOL OS would rip it to shreds so they made it non-functional to keep the EOL OS from making the newer ones look like the trash that they actually are.

 

As best I can tell, the really fast CPU performance tests that require a nearly immediate response as soon as it launches (wPrime32M and 3DMark 11, for example) excel on Windows 7 because of some kind of lag on later releases. Maybe some kind of aggressive power management thing. Longer tests, like Cinebench generally do fine on Windows 10 and 11. 

 

A few benchmarks, like Port Royal, get the highest scores for me on the full cancer versions of Windows 11. Maybe DX12 optimization is the reason. I am not sure of the mechanics behind any of this. All based on scores and observations, not technical information. That is why the only way to know is have multiple OSes installed and go to the trouble of testing.

[seanwee]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

As @Papusanmentioned, the only way to know which OS works best is to test them. Ghost Spectre has a nice GUI and features, but it is generally terrible for CPU performance (Cinebench, 3DMark Physics and Combined tests, etc.) but good on graphics-only tests like Port Royal and Speed Way. The best one I have found (excluding Windows 7, which is superior to everything released since for CPU and memory performance) is Oprekin.com Lite Plus W11 Pro 21H2. All versions of Windows 8, 10 and 11 are horrible at wPrime benchmarks. They take roughly twice as long to complete wPrime32M compared to Windows 7. Sky Diver, 3DMark 11 and Vantage physics tests are also generally vastly superior using Windows 7.

 

Cinebench R23 cannot function on Windows 7. If you remember, it was originally released as a "Micro$oft Store-only benchmark and they caught a lot of flak for being stupid. Cinebench R23 relies WinRT files needed for ARM support for some stupid reason. Maybe they knew the superior EOL would rip it to shreds so they made it non-functional to keep the EOL OS from making the newer ones look like the trash that they actually are.

 

As best I can tell, the really fast CPU performance tests that require a nearly immediate response as soon as it launch (wPrime32M and 3DMark 11, for example) excel on Windows 7 because of some kind of lag on later releases. Mayber some kind of aggressive power management thing. Longer tests, like Cinebench generally do fine on Windows 10 and 11. 

 

A few benchmarks, like Port Royal, get the highest scores for me on the full cancer versions of Windows 11. Maybe DX12 optimization is the reason. I am not sure of the mechanics behind any of this. All based on scores and observations, not technical information. That is why the only way to know is have multiple OSes installed and go to the trouble of testing.

Thanks, so you mean to say that Oprekin.com Lite Plus W11 Pro 21H2 is actually slower than full unmodified versions of windows 11 in port royal?

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, seanwee said:

Thanks, so you mean to say that Oprekin.com Lite Plus W11 Pro 21H2 is actually slower than full unmodified versions of windows 11 in port royal?

I'd have to test it again to know for certain. Most versions of Windows 11 22H2 (bloated or debloated) seem to perform better in Port Royal and it is mostly a CPU agnostic benchmark. Port Royal is probably the one benchmark I run the least in 3DMark suite. I don't like it. I am also not a huge fan of Speed Way, but I like it better than Port Royal.

 

Sky Diver and Time Spy are my favorites in the 3DMark suite, and they are both heavily influenced by CPU/Physics performance. Fire Strike as well, but it doesn't give as much weight in the overall score for CPU/Physics performance as I would like it to. It does give decent weighting to the Combined test. 

[seanwee]

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

I'd have to test it again to know for certain. Most versions of Windows 11 (bloated or debloated) seem to perform better in Port Royal and it is mostly a CPU agnostic benchmark. Port Royal is probably the one benchmark I run the least in 3DMark suite. I don't like it. I am also not a huge fan of Speed Way, but I like it better than Port Royal.

 

Sky Diver and Time Spy are my favorites in the 3DMark suite, and they are both heavily influenced by CPU/Physics performance. Fire Strike as well, but it doesn't give as much weight in the overall score for CPU/Physics performance as I would like it to. It does give decent weighting to the Combined test. 

Interesting.

 

And yes I got my best timespy score by far in windows 10. Going from ghost spectre windows 11 to revios windows 10 gave me 30 extra points in port royal though.

[seanwee]

Firestrike

 

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/97557763

 

Edit: just beat it

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/97558390

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, seanwee said:

Interesting.

 

And yes I got my best timespy score by far in windows 10. Going from ghost spectre windows 11 to revios windows 10 gave me 30 extra points in port royal though.

Ghost Spectre is a nice/fancy Winduhz 11 mod for people that value style over substance. I think it's the most pleasing of any Winduhz 11 experience, but not the best performance. It carries too much bloat and only offers a minor, and I do mean very minor, bump over a full-feces OS.

[electrosoft]

SFF update:

 

Everything installed and good to go hardware wise. AMD and their software is another matter. If I can't resolve some of these issues, I'll be switching back to Nvidia but that's for another post.

 

The 6700xt looks tiny in that 3 slot triple fan chamber in the front:

 

 

And close up ready for transport:

 

 

Once closed up, I tested WoW in the two known CPU and GPU killer spots aka Valdrakken (Slayer of CPUs) and Ardenweald (Slayer of GPUs). In Valdrakken the GPU will routinely sit at 40-70% because of so much player data versus GPU load but out in Ardenweald it will sit at 99%.

 

Just sitting in each zone for an hour, CPU topped out at ~58c which is great considering every  12th and 13th gen laptop would shoot to throttleville and it took a decent amount of tweaking to get my X170SM and (not so much) KM running in the 70's CPU wise with SL 10900k and what looked to be a good 11900k. Fans weren't even at 50%. This is with the ~$55-60 bargin basement, middle of the pack at best ID Cooling 280mm AIO. GPU in Ardenweald hit ~75c but even tested open case it was hitting ~72c. GPU fans topped out at 44%.

 

Initially temps were higher but once I removed all the heavy filters from all the sides, temps plummeted. That metallic mesh they use really hinders air flow.

 

 

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

SFF update:

 

Everything installed and good to go hardware wise. AMD and their software is another matter. If I can't resolve some of these issues, I'll be switching back to Nvidia but that's for another post.

 

 oh sorry to hear that man. looking forward to that post!

[Papusan]

Hmmm. I wonder how much Nvidia have paid the game developers.... In a statement responding to users reporting "WTF? Performance?", the developer stated "we designed the game with upscaling in mind (DLSS/FSR/XeSS)." To me that sounds like a lame excuse as to why performance sucks.

 

Hardware requirements of the game are pretty extreme. In order to reach 60 FPS at 1080p with ultra settings you need a RTX 3070 Ti or Radeon RX 6800. RTX 4060 Ti is pretty close with 57 FPS. Got a 1440p monitor? Then you better have a fast graphics card. At least a RTX 3090 Ti, RTX 4080 or Radeon RX 7900 XT is required for 60 FPS at WQHD. 4K? You guessed right, not even the mighty RTX 4090 can reach 60 FPS. NVIDIA's fastest card only gets 45 FPS at 4K, the Radeon RX 7900 XTX is close behind with 44 FPS.

 

Remnant II Benchmark Test & Performance Analysis techpowerup.com

 

Yep, features as upscaling can be Nvidias ticket to the upper money heaven. New gen cards will get an upgraded version while two years old cards will get screwed with the the same old and reach the trash bin faster than ever.. 

[ryan]

locked 60.

 

I just needed to tweak the heck out of my system to manage 60 locked, and here I thought the 3060 and its 6gb vram was obsolete. simply not true, I can play minesweeper solitaire and mobi the magic crystals, many more AAA games

 

when would be a good time to upgrade to a desktop? should I wait for 14th gen

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

I just needed to tweak the heck out of my system to manage 60 locked, and here I thought the 3060 and its 6gb vram was obsolete. simply not true. I can play minesweeper solitaire and mobi the magic crystals, many more AAA games

 

 

 

when would be a good time to upgrade to a desktop? should I wait for 14th gen

If you are happy with the performance as it seems you are, maybe wait to see what 15th gen offer🙂