*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

12 hours ago, ryan said:

sorry I forgot to mention its on game pass and essentially free. I don't mind checking it out but im not really into slow takes 20 hours for story to kick in games but hey you never know, might be a great game. You get to shoot things, how bad can it be. LOL

The year's worth of monthly premium is more than I would typically spend in 5+ years on games.

[Papusan]

Yup I waited on this one, @Rage Set a smash in the face for offering trash quality. Exactly as I have said the whole time. Who’s next following suit? Nice see that this being pointed out. I stand with my statement. Avoid custom cables and adapters. You risk all too much. And many companies that offer custom cables/adapters won’t help you out once you’re screwed by trash quality and QC problems. So nice that owners of MSI cards finally don’t need to crawl and begging MSI support for help anymore. Just go directly to Cablemod support. Hope they can offer a refund within a few days. Then try the silicon lottery a second time. Maybe you have the new card within 4 weeks. And the new revision of ADA 102 chips has to be better. Always @ryan

 

MSI won’t cover the RMA because of the use of the CableMod 12VHPWR power adapter.

 

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-rejects-graphics-card-rma-claim-due-to-use-of-a-cablemod-12vhpwr-adapter

 

The hardware influencers on YouTube and websites should stop push recommendation depending on how much they get paid. And hidden payments is an awful practice. They all do this whatever they say No or yes. 
 

Igorslab etc should be ashamed! Same with Jayz and many others. 
 

Ps. Se my ranting about lack of quality in my previous posts. They are spot on. As always bro @ryan😎

[Mr. Fox]

Brothers @jaybee83and @Raidermanmaybe when you have a few minutes to spare you could help out my friend here. I am sure he would appreciate it. So far nobody has responded.

https://extremehw.net/topic/3009-am5-overclocking-help/

[Reciever]

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

Brothers @jaybee83and @Raidermanmaybe when you have a few minutes to spare you could help out my friend here. I am sure he would appreciate it. So far nobody has responded.

https://extremehw.net/topic/3009-am5-overclocking-help/

ENTERPRISE, holy hell talk about a vet in the PC space

[Mr. Fox]

5 minutes ago, Reciever said:

ENTERPRISE, holy hell talk about a vet in the PC space

You two have some things in common, not the least of which is owning a PC technology-focused forum.

[Talon]

https://www.maxon.net/en/downloads/cinebench-2024-downloads

 

Get benching yall. 
 

edit: Seems very demanding compared to R23. 

[Raiderman]

17 minutes ago, Talon said:

https://www.maxon.net/en/downloads/cinebench-2024-downloads

 

Get benching yall. 
 

edit: Seems very demanding compared to R23. 

 

25 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Brothers @jaybee83and @Raidermanmaybe when you have a few minutes to spare you could help out my friend here. I am sure he would appreciate it. So far nobody has responded.

https://extremehw.net/topic/3009-am5-overclocking-help/

Ooh, nice! I'll have to download that this weekend and try it!

 

@Mr. FoxI will try and post something this weekend for him. The quickest way to get a performance bump is to set the PBO to all cores, and adjust the voltage curve optimizer down to negative 20 to 30 (If his particular silicon can handle it)

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

You two have some things in common, not the least of which is owning a PC technology-focused forum.

He always treated me fairly even if I was a little too hot headed and tap danced on the line as a result when arguing with people on OCN. He runs Extremehw? 

[ryan]

seems more accurate. slow as molasses, nice picture and I think you shouldn't bother running it unless you have a 13th gen processor. 645 is right in between m1 max and m1 not a bad score.

 

corresponding score is 11835 in r23 multi

[Izy]

yeesh this is demanding, also doesnt help my cpu is running 10c higher with fans cranked due to actually being 26c last few days

 

 

 

[tps3443]

53 minutes ago, ryan said:

seems more accurate. slow as molasses, nice picture and I think you shouldn't bother running it unless you have a 13th gen processor. 645 is right in between m1 max and m1 not a bad score.

 

corresponding score is 11835 in r23 multi

I love the M1 chip. I have one. All of that power on a machine with no fans going at all is awesome. Its greatest ability though, is the M1 chip is just as fast unplugged with a nearly dead battery VS. if it is plugged in on wall power with a full charge.

[ryan]

yeah I was close to buying a m1 ipad air, should be future proof for like 30 years hah. its so far ahead of everyone else its kinda funny.

[tps3443]

11 minutes ago, ryan said:

yeah I was close to buying a m1 ipad air, should be future proof for like 30 years hah. its so far ahead of everyone else its kinda funny.

I know they are awesome. I have a MacBook Air 13” I got the 16GB of ram and 1TB of storage. I can run it from morning to night for all of my work stuff on just battery. So long as you have a back up machine for when you wanna run some more demanding games, it’s really all you need. 

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

Cutting edge tech is too difficult for engineers. Just the normal nowadays. Microsoft ain’t the only company that have sloopy engineers. We pay huge premium above inflation but get lackluster workmanship back in the face. 

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gigabyte-motherboard-firmware-update-saving-your-ddr5-ram-from-corruption

Just beautiful… Newest is always better. What a joke.

 

Intel Microcode Caused “Unsupported CPU” BSOD Issue, New BIOS With Updated Microcode Coming Soon

 

https://wccftech.com/intel-microcode-unsupported-cpu-bsod-issue-new-bios-updated-microcode-fix-soon/

 

Intel's own microcode has been found to be the culprit causing various "Unsupported CPU" BSOD issues on 13th Gen CPUs & the company is already working on a new microcode.

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Reciever said:

He always treated me fairly even if I was a little too hot headed and tap danced on the line as a result when arguing with people on OCN. He runs Extremehw? 

Yes he does. Also the product review program.

  

11 minutes ago, Papusan said:

https://wccftech.com/intel-microcode-unsupported-cpu-bsod-issue-new-bios-updated-microcode-fix-soon/

 

Intel's own microcode has been found to be the culprit causing various "Unsupported CPU" BSOD issues on 13th Gen CPUs & the company is already working on a new microcode.

Someday people will learn.

...ok, let's be honest...

NO THEY WON'T. Stupid is totally normal. They will never learn because they choose to believe lies.

 

Those of us that don't drink the "newer is always better" Kool-Aid don't have nearly as many issues. Most of the time all of the drama about bugs with Windows, drivers, firmware, updates, security patches, etc. I am totally oblivious and immune to. I am sure the same can be said for you, bro.

[Reciever]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes he does. Also the product review program.

  

Someday people will learn.

...ok, let's be honest...

NO THEY WON'T. Stupid is totally normal. They will never learn

 

Those of us that don't drink the "newer is better" Kool-Aid don't have nearly as many issues. Most of the time all of the drama about bugs with Windows, drivers, firmware, updates, security patches, etc. I am totally oblivious and immune to. I am sure the same can be said for you, bro.

Really happy to hear he still has enthusiasm for PC's most of the OG's just quit or disappear. 

[Papusan]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes he does. Also the product review program.

  

Someday people will learn...ok, let's be honest...

NO THEY WON'T. Stupid is totally normal. They will never learn because they choose to believe lies.

 

Those of us that don't drink the "newer is always better" Kool-Aid don't have nearly as many issues. Most of the time all of the drama about bugs with Windows, drivers, firmware, updates, security patches, etc. I am totally oblivious and immune to. I am sure the same can be said for you, bro.

And with no rollback as Asus and Dell usually offer with their fantastic firmware updates then you see where I go with “Newer has to be better”. Disgusting!
 

And then you have the sleeper in the background try offering new bios updates to everyone from Win update servers then you can see what a disaster this can be with a oc’d system (without power backup as an UPS). BUT THE MODERN COMPUTER USERS IS STILL HAPPY THEY GET ALL THE HELP THEY CAN GET WITH FIRMWARE UPDATES. They want it so we all should be treated equally. I can freeze in the hot weather here of all this, LOOL

[electrosoft]

HUB confirming What GN found about CPU performance in Starfield....it is a very heavy CPU influenced title and Intel rules the roost.

 

Especially the 5800X3D just gets wrecked....

 

Seriously, Starfield loves Intel CPUs....that has to be a weird win some / lose some for AMD who sponsored the PC version.

 

(Eyes the SP115 13900KS sitting on the shelf in the MSI Z790i Edge motherboard atm doing nothing)

 

 

 

Memory findings in line with GN meaning much smaller gains going from 4800 -> 7200 (but again, I'd like to see 7600 or 8000+. Maybe take a looksy at memory benefits @tps3443 and let us know).

 

 

 

 

 

12 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

nice writeup, thanks for that. havent gotten around to watching it yet, but its on my playlist. this sounds like Starfield profits way more from raw jiggahertz than it does from increased cache sizes. curious to see how its performance numbers will develop with upcoming patches. especially on the cpu side there seems to be A LOT of performance still left on the table....

 

HUB just confirms and extends some of GNs results to really dial in these hard truths:

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Intel CPUs dominate for Starfield.

AMD GPUs are competitive with Nvidia (7900xtx vs 4090 especially).

DDR5 memory bandwidth is not nearly as important for performance gains but there are some

--

 

We've reached a point where if you're serious about Starfield, a 7600 > 5800X3D for gaming.

 

I'd say best bang:buck system is a 13700k + cheap B660 + cheap 6400-7000 DDR5 + 7900XTX

 

As always one of my favorite things to see unfold is how driver and game updates change the performance landscape.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

48 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

(Eyes the SP115 13900KS sitting on the shelf in the MSI Z790i Edge motherboard atm doing nothing)

You should sell that to me before you do something about it. 😂

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Z690 Dark (6900 XT not compatible -?!-) CPU: 2510 / GPU: NA - Windows 10

Z790 Apex and 4090 - CPU: 2497 / GPU: 28630 (stock) - WIndows 11 🤢

Z790 Apex and 4090 - CPU: 2569 / GPU: 32553 (OC) - Windows 10 😉

[Reciever]

37 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

HUB confirming What GN found about CPU performance in Starfield....it is a very heavy CPU influenced title and Intel rules the roost.

 

Especially the 5800X3D just gets wrecked....

 

Seriously, Starfield loves Intel CPUs....that has to be a weird win some / lose some for AMD who sponsored the PC version.

 

(Eyes the SP115 13900KS sitting on the shelf in the MSI Z790i Edge motherboard atm doing nothing)

 

 

 

Memory findings in line with GN meaning much smaller gains going from 4800 -> 7200 (but again, I'd like to see 7600 or 8000+. Maybe take a looksy at memory benefits @tps3443 and let us know).

 

 

 

 

 

Any idea if they apply any tuning to the 5800X3D? Had to use the PBO2 Utility to apply the -30 offset to hit 4.450 otherwise its all over the place.

 

Not really interested in the title perse, just curious. There are definitely games that just prefer the raw Mhz over L3 Cache

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

(6900 XT not compatible -?!-)

OK, I guess you have to download and install special AMD drivers that have a module to integrate CUDA for it to work. Trying it now to find out.

 

https://www.amd.com/en/developer/rocm-hub/hip-sdk.html

 

@Raidermanyou may need this for it to work with your GPU.

[Rage Set]

I've been trying to convince the purchasing dept and a few dept heads from the school district we support to not buy Dell Alienware R15/R16 desktops. They want gaming desktops for the high schools with RGB EVERYTHING. Of course, my boss points them to me because of my former business and current small SI business. 

 

One of the bidders is offering a Dell R15 with a 13600KF and 4070 TI for 3200. Another is offering a Dell R16 with a 12600KF and 4070 TI for 3050 each. I mean, I never realized how bad some of these vendors could be. It is interesting to be on the other side of a bidding process. 

[Izy]

 

this i find funny

[ryan]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The year's worth of monthly premium is more than I would typically spend in 5+ years on games.

geeze you wern't kidding when you said you don't game, I always thought you played a little crysis here and there and checked out games for benching and messing around. I don't really play alot of games just racing and fps or if a game is really good graphically just bench. I used to game alot but those days are over as iv'e lost interest in doing the same thing over and over.

 

1 hour ago, Izy said:

 

this i find funny

thanks for posting that, I always thought my temps were bad. I guess it's all relative

[Mr. Fox]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

OK, I guess you have to download and install special AMD drivers that have a module to integrate CUDA for it to work. Trying it now to find out.

 

https://www.amd.com/en/developer/rocm-hub/hip-sdk.html

 

@Raidermanyou may need this for it to work with your GPU.

Yup, that fixed it. Regular consumer AMD drivers won't work. You need that one linked above @Raiderman(Radeon Pro with HIPS SDK).

28 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

I've been trying to convince the purchasing dept and a few dept heads from the school district we support to not buy Dell Alienware R15/R16 desktops. They want gaming desktops for the high schools with RGB EVERYTHING. Of course, my boss points them to me because of my former business and current small SI business. 

 

One of the bidders is offering a Dell R15 with a 13600KF and 4070 TI for 3200. Another is offering a Dell R16 with a 12600KF and 4070 TI for 3050 each. I mean, I never realized how bad some of these vendors could be. It is interesting to be on the other side of a bidding process. 

That is just crazy, bro. Maybe have them watch some of the YouTube videos (like those on GN) that point out how horribly bad judgement it is to buy overpriced proprietary trash from outfits like HP and Dell. 

27 minutes ago, Izy said:

 

this i find funny

Yeah, HWiNFO64 has some newer features that suck. The "accumulated" readings are kind of idiotic, but ASUS has the same nonsense in the BIOS, so I digress. It's just regurgitating what the sensors tell it. I also hate the extra prompt on the vCore latch nonsense when you reset the HWiNFO64 sensors. It's annoying to have to find the pop-up prompting you to confirm you want to reset it and click a second time. I told Martin it was annoying and asked for an option to disable it, but I guess he either can't or doesn't care if it is annoying for ASUS mobo owners. I don't have to put up with it on the EVGA mobo, thank goodness. If you disable the sensors in HWiNFO64, the idiotic prompt to confirm you want to reset the latch sensors STILL bugs you. Even if the sensors are disabled in HWiNFO64 the prompt still appears.

  

4 minutes ago, ryan said:

thanks for posting that, I always thought my temps were bad. I guess it's all relative

LOL... totally pointless "accumulated" readings. I really don't understand what value it is supposed to add. Same goes for the other irrelevant "accumulated" power and voltage readings. The new way to spell stupid is A-S-U-S.