*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Etern4l]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Spot on. 

 

Less government involvement means a batter outcome. There can be some degree of benefit to government control but the cons outweigh the pros. Best to the let market (people buying) decide what works and what doesn't. The government (any government) will just screw things up for the majority and stifle innovation.

 Kind of a blatant strawman attempt by electro there, I’m disappointed you fell for it. Nobody is talking about government intervention there (yet).

[johnksss]

Here is my run on this...

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, johnksss said:

Here is my run on this...

Nice to see you, Brother John. I hope all is well with you.

[electrosoft]

Very nice video showing Starfield and memory and CPU tuning / overclocks with 5800X3D, 7800X3D and 13900k. It also shows DDR4 vs DDR5 on 13900k differences from low settings to tighter tuned memory and higher frequencies (up to 8200 tuned for Intel, 8000 for 7800X3D,  4100 on 5800X3D).

 

DDR5 has really come into its own and those early days of DDR4 having pockets of superiority are rapidly drying up.

 

The performance gains can be pretty substantial depending on system tuning. He also shows 7800X3D with memory from 5600 up to 8000 and what I suspected is showing in that 6400->8000 shows hardly any increases in game for AMD (near margin of error results).

 

 

[Papusan]

3rd Intel driver within a week and still no fun.

Bethesda support and dev team should be ashamed for their corporation/support with Intel. It seems Intel are on their own. No in hell Nvidia would have a game ready driver long time before the game released without help from the game dev team. Who’s the devil here? AMD or Bethesda? Or both?

 

When the game debuted, Intel failed to release a game-ready driver in time for the game's early access launch. Due to a lack of driver support.

 

We doubt Stafield director Todd Howard or any of his Starfield team members would say the same thing about the Arc A770. Nonetheless, this is a serious error made by the Bethesda support team and needs to be remedied as soon as possible. Bethesda's support representative implied that all Arc GPU owners with problems must upgrade to an AMD or Nvidia card to run the game.

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-drops-third-starfield-driver-as-bethesda-claims-a770-doesnt-meet-min-specs

 

LOOL. Also not so fun with AMD.

Ryzen CPUs in focus

Although some owners of Intel processors also complain about sudden crashes, the majority of those affected have a Ryzen CPU installed. Certain moments in the game seem especially crash-prone, such as getting the watch from Barret or talking to certain NPCs. Unfortunately, the crashes are reproducible — so the next time you try to start the conversation, the computer crashes again.

 

This is particularly annoying because AMD is the “exclusive PC partner” of Starfield. The company worked hand in hand to optimize the game as best they could on the Xbox Series X/S as well as on modern Ryzen CPUs and Radeon GPUs.

 

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2060777/starfield-frequent-crashes-this-is-the-cause.html

 

[Etern4l]

47 minutes ago, Papusan said:

3rd Intel driver within a week and still no fun.

Bethesda support and dev team should be ashamed for their corporation/support with Intel. It seems Intel are on their own. No in hell Nvidia would have a game ready driver long time before the game released without help from the game dev team. Who’s the devil here? AMD or Bethesda? Or both?

 

When the game debuted, Intel failed to release a game-ready driver in time for the game's early access launch. Due to a lack of driver support.

 

We doubt Stafield director Todd Howard or any of his Starfield team members would say the same thing about the Arc A770. Nonetheless, this is a serious error made by the Bethesda support team and needs to be remedied as soon as possible. Bethesda's support representative implied that all Arc GPU owners with problems must upgrade to an AMD or Nvidia card to run the game.

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-drops-third-starfield-driver-as-bethesda-claims-a770-doesnt-meet-min-specs

 

LOOL. Also not so fun with AMD.

Ryzen CPUs in focus

Although some owners of Intel processors also complain about sudden crashes, the majority of those affected have a Ryzen CPU installed. Certain moments in the game seem especially crash-prone, such as getting the watch from Barret or talking to certain NPCs. Unfortunately, the crashes are reproducible — so the next time you try to start the conversation, the computer crashes again.

 

This is particularly annoying because AMD is the “exclusive PC partner” of Starfield. The company worked hand in hand to optimize the game as best they could on the Xbox Series X/S as well as on modern Ryzen CPUs and Radeon GPUs.

 

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2060777/starfield-frequent-crashes-this-is-the-cause.html

 

Fair commentary on the absence of support for Intel GPUs, but, unsurprisingly, the PCW piece looks like sponsored anti-AMD garbage. Statements made without any reasonable source or data to suggest validity. How many distinct reports related  to Intel CPUs, how many to Ruzens? How many Starfield players own Intel and Ryzen CPUs respectively? We don’t know, and neither does PCW who just took the FUD piece money. There is one laughable link to a tiny Reddit thread when one user at the bottom mentions they have a Ryzen CPU and has some crashes but nothing major. We don’t know if his machine is OCed, crashes outside of Starfield etc.

 

The game likely got rushed out (most games are) and some bugs may remain.

[Mr. Fox]

The amount of drama surrounding this game is over the top. Maybe that is the new normal in this insane post-COVID world. My response to the crybabies is to shut up, stop whinging and grow a pair. Be a big boy and play another game until the greed-driven losers that made this one pull their heads out. If their inability to play this game results in a loss of quality of life then it really begs the question of what kind of sucky life they have to begin with. Anyone that can't handle the messes and drama shouldn't be an early adopter of hardware or software. That playground is for adults that have their priorities straight, not spoiled children. I guess if nothing else it gives the idiotic tech journalists and the stupid YouTube influencers another source of nonsense to drum up a ruckus about. Must be a godsend to have content if they have nothing important to talk about.

[seanwee]

3 hours ago, Etern4l said:

Fair commentary on the absence of support for Intel GPUs, but, unsurprisingly, the PCW piece looks like sponsored anti-AMD garbage. Statements made without any reasonable source or data to suggest validity. How many distinct reports related  to Intel CPUs, how many to Ruzens? How many Starfield players own Intel and Ryzen CPUs respectively? We don’t know, and neither does PCW who just took the FUD piece money. There is one laughable link to a tiny Reddit thread when one user at the bottom mentions they have a Ryzen CPU and has some crashes but nothing major. We don’t know if his machine is OCed, crashes outside of Starfield etc.

 

The game likely got rushed out (most games are) and some bugs may remain.

Bethesda has always been infamous for buggy and unoptimised games, so nothing new here. They *might* get some fixed when Starfield Special Edition comes out in 5 years.

[Mr. Fox]

20 minutes ago, seanwee said:

Bethesda has always been infamous for buggy and unoptimised games, so nothing new here. They *might* get some fixed when Starfield Special Edition comes out in 5 years.

Yet people keep giving them money. Rewarding bad behavior guarantees the continuance of it.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, seanwee said:

Bethesda has always been infamous for buggy and unoptimised games, so nothing new here. They *might* get some fixed when Starfield Special Edition comes out in 5 years.

 

*Lol*

 

39 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yet people keep giving them money. Rewarding bad behavior guarantees the continuance of it.

 

I'm glad it came free with my 6700xt purchase. 🙂

 

I haven't had time to really settle in and play outside of an hour or two. Other game stuff, work stuff and project stuff but I'll eventually get in there and play through. It took me a full year to finally play the last Deus Ex.

 

I figure with patches and driver optimizations it can only get better.

 

 

[johnksss]

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nice to see you, Brother John. I hope all is well with you.

Thanks. All is well on the western front.🙂

[tps3443]

19 hours ago, johnksss said:

Here is my run on this...

What is your CPU score? I can’t find any comparisons. I got 2,598 in multithreaded for 13900KS. My 3090 got 23,000.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Thanks. All is well on the western front.🙂

Hi bro John. Hope all is well. Old me enjoying the sun and 27C all days in Canary Islands. Home is 8-10C and lots of rain (info from my kids home). The fall has already started. Nothing of this cold weather here. Only slow days with something good to eat and drink. Have already ordered next year’s summer vacation when me and wife is here. Faster than ever before. Usually we order the 1 month summer vacation at the end of the year. But this time we wanted to be sure we can have the same next year as we have it now. I enjoy every day. And this time we have made it sure we’ll have an AC from day one next year🙂 

 

So best greetings from the sunny side outside Africa coast. But I’m sure the sun is equal warming in the west side of U.S. And probably hotter than here as well. For me… 25-28C is probably enough. I’m not made for more than this, LOOL

[Izy]

improved slightly gpu also hit 18750

could probably push more if i had a blank install of windows to boot from.

that and temperatures here are mad recently september and all the heat we didnt have summer has arrived

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

What is your CPU score? I can’t find any comparisons. I got 2,598 in multithreaded for 13900KS. My 3090 got 23,000.

That's right where it should be. I got 2608 with 60xP, 47xE and 50xC, 8200. I don't really like this benchmark though. It pushes my CPU over 600W and sometimes it just stops partway through. Nothing visible crashing, no Windoze lock-up and everything seems normal except it just stops doing anything and Cinebench itself it unresponsive. So, I have to close it with Task Manager.

[tps3443]

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yet people keep giving them money. Rewarding bad behavior guarantees the continuance of it.

I don’t think there is an issue with the game. (Although, I read the same stuff with “The Last Of Us”). I am pretty picky with video games and if something is smooth or not. If a game is skipping or has low 1% FPS or dropping GPU usage, I’ll take a deep dive in to researching my own OS, and any other tricks trying to fix it and make a game smooth and constant. Some games are pure junk though, and it is what it is. You could be walking around in game getting 80FPS and then a skip happens and your GPU usage tanks to 30%. So many games can’t hold down a constant GPU usage spitting out a constant frame rate.
 

 Starfield actually runs very very smooth, and doesn’t fall in to that category. I would much prefer a constant lower frame rate due to graphical demand VS. higher fps with skipping, and GPU usage dropping left and right. Even throwing the most powerful CPU/GPU can’t fix a bad game with random dropping GPU usage. 
 

My 3090 is a (3yr) old GPU, and While I am all ears for a game update and a new Nvidia GeForce driver. I’m still running around Neon city in Starfield with 79 Avg FPS, and 65 FPS 1% lows 4K@Ultra. This is crazy good for a brand new title on a last gen GPU at 4K. We still have not even seen a Starfield post launch GPU driver yet. I’m 36 hours in with no bugs. It’s just a solid running game. 
 

If I’m getting this performance, then anyone can play at 1080P/1440P using FSR2 or DLSS and maintain similar FPS on even slower/older hardware than what I have.
 

I think we want too much, and we’re getting too little. Kinda like if you buy a new car. The dealer is offering too little for your car, and their car is too expensive lol. (Yes, that’s often the case 😂) but my point is, we always want more, and what we get is never enough. Maybe we’re all super greedy lol. I’m trying to be half cup full here I suppose. But, this game runs so dang smooth. I know of a laundry list of other titles that could use actual optimization, and you don’t even hear about it including Bethesda’s own Fall out 4 which still has no idea how to use a 13900KS and a 3090. My 1% lows would be around 15FPSin Fallout 4. Crazy right?
 

The rumor mill is strong with this title Starfield though. I’m not defending this game by any means, but this seems to happen on literally every popular AAA game launch. BF2042/The Last of Us/Starfield. I’m sure I am missing several others.
 

Unless I’m crazy, and I’m hallucinating, or my expectations are just super low. But I swear the game runs pretty darn good lol. 😂

With my line of work, I get on my agents computers remotely to fix their system and get them back on the phones. 99% of the time when I get on their desktop the CPU usage and ram is like 90-100% on their personal PC. They have this Super slow desktop, old hardware, and a OS that is just packed to the brim with stuff running in the background. It makes me wonder if most gamers systems would be in a similar shape. It’s a theory.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That's right where it should be. I got 2608 with 60xP, 47xE and 50xC, 8200. I don't really like this benchmark though. It pushes my CPU over 600W and sometimes it just stops partway through. Nothing visible crashing, no Windoze lock-up and everything seems normal except it just stops doing anything and Cinebench itself it unresponsive. So, I have to close it with Task Manager.

Yes, I experienced the same thing! It’s a good stability test though. I had to reduce my undervolt a little bit to maintain a repeatable stability in Cinebench 2024, so it could run back to back with no locking up. Otherwise it would freeze up, and I could just end it with taskmanager lol.

 

I thought it was my system memory overclock of 8600 at first. But it looked to be just not enough CPU voltage for me, which was causing the haulting of Cinebench 2024. 

 

15 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Very nice video showing Starfield and memory and CPU tuning / overclocks with 5800X3D, 7800X3D and 13900k. It also shows DDR4 vs DDR5 on 13900k differences from low settings to tighter tuned memory and higher frequencies (up to 8200 tuned for Intel, 8000 for 7800X3D,  4100 on 5800X3D).

 

DDR5 has really come into its own and those early days of DDR4 having pockets of superiority are rapidly drying up.

 

The performance gains can be pretty substantial depending on system tuning. He also shows 7800X3D with memory from 5600 up to 8000 and what I suspected is showing in that 6400->8000 shows hardly any increases in game for AMD (near margin of error results).

 

 

Amazing! I did not see this. This is exactly what I thought as well. Peoples PC’s are not optimized lol. 

[KING19]

On 9/8/2023 at 5:19 AM, cylix said:

 

 Didnt you all not heard what Master Todd said? Game is super optimized you just need to update to 4090 and Co, better yet 5090 🤣🤣. What a tool, like we can expect from a snake

 

 

 

What an asshole. If most people cant run the game property they'll lose out on the sales after people request refunds in droves. Sadly it'll probably win Game of the Year despite how badly optimized it is on the PC. Also right now on steam there are over 300k users playing the game.

[ryan]

people that have not played it for a hour or two hate it. people that have given it a chance and played it love it. I don't know I think people just like to complain and give their 2 cents when it's not backed. I hate this I hate that yet have not checked it out makes sense. I have never had caviar and I already hate it, see how dumb it sounds. check out the game and form your own conclusions.

 

Positive Starfield Critic Reviews for PC - Metacritic

[Reciever]

8 minutes ago, ryan said:

people that have not played it for a hour or two hate it. people that have given it a chance and played it love it. I don't know I think people just like to complain and give their 2 cents when it's not backed. I hate this I hate that yet have not checked it out makes sense. I have never had caviar and I already hate it, see how dumb it sounds. check out the game and form your own conclusions.

People have, its a highly anticipated titled as such you will see more voices in the mix than you would otherwise. Dont make the mistake as perceiving the negative as the only sentiment out there, or vice versa. Evaluate it, judge, and if not for you at this point and time then revisit in 6 months or something. 

 

There are plenty of other titles to check out and an ever growing backlog to review. The world will keep spinning regardless.

[Etern4l]

On 9/8/2023 at 12:23 AM, ryan said:

as for the actual game id say a 7.5-8.5 is justified anything lower is trolling.

 

I wouldn't get worked up about it to the point of calling reviewers trolls. Major reviews (including the 7/10 ones) are written by people who had played through the entire game and review games routinely if not for a living. They are critics who should possess a broad perspective, and deep knowledge of the genre etc. Taking just all this into account,  inevitably there will be differences between individual opinions (especially if it's really just first impressions) and particular reviews. BTW if we don't trust critic reviews, we can peruse gamer opinions on Steam itself. "Mostly positive", which means a fair number of negatives pointing out the familiar issue with most contemporary Bethesda games: a weak main story. For you it may not matter, or you may actually like the story once you get to the end, so you will end up rating it higher for those reasons. Have fun and let us know the final verdict once you beat the game.

 

34 minutes ago, ryan said:

Positive Starfield Critic Reviews for PC - Metacritic

Interestingly the link above only shows positive reviews. Here is the summary, including the 5.6 user score and links to all reviews:

 

https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/starfield

 

BTW I note the absence of the 7/10 Gamespot review from the list and this affects the average a bit. They also probably put the same weight on reviews from the heavyweights such as GameSpot (if they even include them) as reviews from some “App Trigger” and non-gaming sites.

 

If in doubt, while there is no demo unfortunately, people can try the game through their subscription, or just watch some early gameplay on YT to decide if it’s for them.

[KING19]

46 minutes ago, Reciever said:

People have, its a highly anticipated titled as such you will see more voices in the mix than you would otherwise. Dont make the mistake as perceiving the negative as the only sentiment out there, or vice versa. Evaluate it, judge, and if not for you at this point and time then revisit in 6 months or something. 

 

There are plenty of other titles to check out and an ever growing backlog to review. The world will keep spinning regardless.

 

34 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

I wouldn't get worked up about it to the point of calling reviewers trolls. Major reviews (including the 7/10 ones) are written by people who had played through the entire game and review games routinely if not for a living. They are critics who should possess a broad perspective, and deep knowledge of the genre etc. Taking just all this into account,  inevitably there will be differences between individual opinions (especially if it's really just first impressions) and particular reviews. BTW if we don't trust critic reviews, we can peruse gamer opinions on Steam itself. "Mostly positive", which means a fair number of negatives pointing out the familiar issue with most contemporary Bethesda games: a weak main story. For you it may not matter, or you may actually like the story once you get to the end, so you will end up rating it higher for those reasons. Have fun and let us know the final verdict once you beat the game.

 

^^

 

When looking at reviews its best to go by the average score then again a lot of reviews especially from major review sites like gamespot, IGN and etc are not exactly reliable because companies usually pay them to give them good reviews. As long you're enjoying the game that all it matters, who cares what others think!.

 

Anyways going add my cinebench 2024 results too because i dont want to double post.

 

I tried the GPU test but it kept crashing, Probably because of Optimus but i didnt feel like disabling it.

[Etern4l]

2 minutes ago, KING19 said:

 

 

^^

 

When looking at reviews its best to go by the average score then again a lot of reviews especially from major review sites like gamespot, IGN and etc are not exactly reliable because companies usually pay them to give them good reviews. As long you're enjoying the game that all it matters, who cares what others think!.

 

Anyways going add my cinebench 2024 results too because i dont want to double post.

 

I tried the GPU test but it kept crashing, Probably because of Optimus but i didnt feel like disabling it.

Right. An alternative to going by the average is to follow the reviewers that seem to have had similar taste and preferences before. When I see 10/10 from PCW, arguably the most crooked reviewer, it doesn’t mean much to me personally.

[johnksss]

7 hours ago, tps3443 said:

What is your CPU score? I can’t find any comparisons. I got 2,598 in multithreaded for 13900KS. My 3090 got 23,000.

I haven't did that one yet, I was trying to figure out why I couldn't run the GPU test at first.

 

 

Dropped off a project with Alex today...

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 minutes ago, johnksss said:

I haven't did that one yet, I was trying to figure out why I couldn't run the GPU test at first.

 

 

Dropped off a project with Alex today...

 

He's got some mad soldering skills so if he can't do it I bet it can't be done.

 

Nice shirt brother.

[tps3443]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

He's got some mad soldering skills so if he can't do it I bet it can't be done.

 

Nice shirt brother.

I have thought about sending him a project my self. I have a cracked 3090Ti. And I was considering letting him remove my GPUand the cracked PCB’s GPU, and throw the better clocking fully unlocked 3090Ti GPU on my 3090 Kingpin board. It would have to work right? 🤷‍♂️