*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[D2ultima]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

That's strange. The Strix Z690-E that I used to have had it. Maybe they removed it in a BIOS update downgrade.

  

You're correct in doubting it. Sapphire was an ATi AIB before they were purchased by AMD back in the day before NVIDIA displaced them as the world's premier GPU ODM. My last ATi (pre-AMD) Radeon All-in-Wonder Pro and Rage Pro (circa 1996-1997) were made by Sapphire. They have always been ATi/AMD-only. PCIe did not even exist back then. The cutting edge GPU slot back then was AGP and the VRAM was measured in MB instead of GB.

 

Windows says there's a BIOS update for my board, I guess I should try updating the BIOS and seeing if it shows up then. I guess I'll take a picture of my CPU fan curve and the like and try it later this weekend. I wasn't gonna update because what wasn't broke I shouldn't fix, but, oh well.

 

I thought I was probably on the latest BIOS since it supported the 13600K plug and play, but I suppose there was more

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, D2ultima said:

Windows says there's a BIOS update for my board, I guess I should try updating the BIOS and seeing if it shows up then. I guess I'll take a picture of my CPU fan curve and the like and try it later this weekend. I wasn't gonna update because what wasn't broke I shouldn't fix, but, oh well.

 

I thought I was probably on the latest BIOS since it supported the 13600K plug and play, but I suppose there was more

You should not be allowing Windows to know whether or not the firmware update is available. That is none of their business and access should be blocked for the best outcome. I would recommend disabling the BIOS options for MyAsus and Armory Crate. I do not recommend updating the BIOS. There are numerous examples of people who are not happy with the results. Memory overclocking has been impaired for some people with the latest cancer firmware updates on their Asus motherboards. You'll probably have to downgrade to an older firmware to regain the loss of function brought through updates. @Falkentyne cannot even boot his system with memory overclock settings previously stable across the previous 5 or 6 firmware versions.

 

Many of the so-called exploit mitigations impair functionality and hinder performance. You are wise to use the approach of not "fixing" anything that is not broken. There has never been a security patch or exploit mitigation worth sacrificing performance or function.

 

Asus actively blocks Intel ME downgrades and ME updates should be avoided. Intel ME provides zero consumer functionality and its existence is a vulnerability. Asus *should* provide an option in the BIOS to disable Intel ME but they do not. It is a built-in backdoor point of entry allowing remote system access for "business" (government and hacker access) that should not even exist on consumer motherboards.

[D2ultima]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

You should not be allowing Windows to know whether or not the firmware update is available. That is none of their business and access should be blocked for the best outcome. I would recommend disabling the BIOS options for MyAsus and Armory Crate. I do not recommend updating the BIOS. There are numerous examples of people who are not happy with the results. Memory overclocking has been impaired for some people with the latest cancer firmware updates on their Asus motherboards. You'll probably have to downgrade to an older firmware to regain the loss of function brought through updates. @Falkentyne cannot even boot his system with memory overclock settings previously stable across the previous 5 or 6 firmware versions.

 

Many of the so-called exploit mitigations impair functionality and hinder performance. You are wise to use the approach of not "fixing" anything that is not broken. There has never been a security patch or exploit mitigation worth sacrificing performance or function.

 

Asus actively blocks Intel ME downgrades and ME updates should be avoided. Intel ME provides zero consumer functionality and its existence is a vulnerability. Asus *should* provide an option in the BIOS to disable Intel ME but they do not. It is a built-in backdoor point of entry allowing remote system access for "business" (government and hacker access) that should not even exist on consumer motherboards.

Sounds good to my lazy side, no BIOS updates for me, I can live with the ever so slight clockspeed reduction of 12MHz

 

The last thing I wanted was to see if this RAM would boot at 6400MHz but I think I'll deal with that much later.

 

The only thing I think I would need a BIOS update for on this board would be if I ever shove a 14700K in it, which I think is probably the end goal CPU for this system in the future. 8 P cores is enough and I already think 8 E cores is enough too, so if 14th gen is easier to cool like I've been hearing rumors of, I'll be happy with that and won't need an i9. Especially if I get my hands on a Thermalright Frost Commander 140. I could easily sell the AK 620 to a friend.

 

As for the BIOS, ever since I installed the OS, windows has said there's an optional update - BIOS present. Never bothered with it, don't know if there is one on the website, don't use MyAsus anything, and... what is armory crate again? Whatever that is, it doesn't show up when I search for it on my computer

[electrosoft]

9 hours ago, D2ultima said:

Well apparently my BIOS lacks it as an option entirely, as you can see with the search function below

 

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6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That's strange. The Strix Z690-E that I used to have had it. Maybe they removed it in a BIOS update downgrade.

 

Unfortunately the F is cut down both hardware and BIOS wise a bit versus the E. 😞

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

49 minutes ago, D2ultima said:

Never bothered with it, don't know if there is one on the website, don't use MyAsus anything, and... what is armory crate again? Whatever that is, it doesn't show up when I search for it on my computer

The MyAsus toggle in the BIOS allows the motherboard to identify itself as open to firmware updates from Micro$lop. This is common on modern turdbooks and it is disgusting that we see this dung surfacing in desktops. I guess we shouldn't have surprised looks on our faces considering the mentality of the zombie sheeple herd. Armory Crate is the ASUS equivalent of garbage like Clevo Control Center, MSI Dragon Center, etc. but the ASUS software is the most extreme bloatware garbage I have ever seen. It installs around a dozen services and TSR applications, about 1,000 registry keys and has a severely negative impact on system resources. It is frequently broken and often will not even function. ASUS has bundled Aura into it and you cannot control your RGB without installing the entire malware payload. You can use OpenRGB, but that places you at risk of the memory SPD getting corrupted if you have RGB memory. Find both of those automated defecation switches in your BIOS and set them to disabled. They are on the same menu as EZ-Flash and BIOS user profile management if memory serves me correctly. I will grab a screenshot for you if you need it.

31 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Unfortunately the F is cut down both hardware and BIOS wise a bit versus the E. 😞

Bummer. I did not know that. When you look at how many Strix motherboards exist it is very confusing and difficult to fully understand what kind of compromises come with a lower price tag. ASUS is not very transparent with their specifications and feature versus compromise comparison among the crazy number of options. They probably assume, and it may be accurate, that most of the kiddos buying their crap shop based on price only and don't really care about things they do not understand. There is definitely truth to the cliché that ignorance is bliss.

[D2ultima]

42 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Unfortunately the F is cut down both hardware and BIOS wise a bit versus the E. 😞

 

This is sad, but truthfully I won't look a gift horse in the mouth, since this system was pretty much help from my best friend. It runs fine now and I don't need a whole lot out of it that it isn't doing, I just noticed the BIOS was kind of meh. Especially since I'm accustomed to a BIOS doing what I tell it to do with my last two systems being Prema modded.

 

If I undervolt -50mV on this chip and I undervolt -100mV on this chip there is no difference in temperature or power draw. I realized that it only actually sees -100mV increments for voltage offset to the CPU, and doesn't even let me type anything less than 50mV increments. Stuff like that. Like yes fine I'll make do with what I have and whatnot but it felt weird since I was all geared up for the ASUS experience here haha.

 

15 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

The MyAsus toggle in the BIOS allows the motherboard to identify itself as open to firmware updates from Micro$lop.

I searched my system for armory crate and couldn't find anything. I vaguely remember manually downloading all drivers from the ASUS website when I installed the machine, so that probably explains it.

 

As for the myasus toggle I'll look for it when I next reboot!

[ryan]

I have an  asus keyboard, when I first got it it only installed bare minimum software and worked, now it installs chinese malware and like 5 erroneous apps and doesnt work. no idea why

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

I have an  asus keyboard, when I first got it it only installed bare minimum software and worked, now it installs chinese malware and like 5 erroneous apps and doesnt work. no idea why

Look in your BIOS for both MyASUS and Armory Crate. If you find them, disable both of them. If you need to use Armory Crate for your laptop for crap like RGB and fan control, you can install it. It DOES NOT need to be enabled in the BIOS to install it. MyASUS is the automatic BIOS update filth and if Armory Crate is enabled in the BIOS you will be prompted to install it when installing Windows. It will install LAN/WiFi drivers from the UEFI and connect to the internet without user intervention.

 

@D2ultima - screenshot

If you do not have these options available in the BIOS, they are likely enabled by default with no option to turn them off. Especially likely with a turdbook. You never really own a modern laptop. You merely rent it and the OEM and Redmond Retards decide what happens to it.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

I have an  asus keyboard, when I first got it it only installed bare minimum software and worked, now it installs chinese malware and like 5 erroneous apps and doesnt work. no idea why

 

45 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Look in your BIOS for both MyASUS and Armory Crate. If you find them, disable both of them. If you need to use Armory Crate for your laptop for crap like RGB and fan control, you can install it. It DOES NOT need to be enabled in the BIOS to install it. MyASUS is the automatic BIOS update filth and if Armory Crate is enabled in the BIOS you will be prompted to install it when installing Windows. It will install LAN/WiFi drivers from the UEFI and connect to the internet without user intervention.

 

@D2ultima - screenshot

 

 

Newest version of OpenRGB supports many Asus systems and peripherals. Give it a try first for controlling RGB before installing AC garbage.

 

I found with my Asus G18 it even supports it now so I could avoid AC completely. Only downside in classic Asus fashion is you NEED to have AC installed to enable full CPU turbo mode or you're capped at 115w....thanks Asus.

 

I avoid Bios enabled AC and MyAsus and manually download drivers so I can pick and choose not only the drivers I want but the order of installation. Usually when you update your BIOS these conveniently toggle back to "on" you know....for your convenience. 🙄

 

Only after installing all my drivers and manual installs do I enable Windows update to pick up on anything I might need along with updates.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Newest version of OpenRGB supports many Asus systems and peripherals. Give it a try first for controlling RGB before installing AC garbage.

OpenRGB bricked three RGB memory kits for me. Two TeamGroup and one G.SKILL. It is a known issue. One stick the SPD was completely wiped and the second and third kits had the SPD corrupted so that some timings were erased, the product name and brand were corrupted and did not display correctly in AIDA64 or CPU-Z. It is a dangerous option for DDR5 users. If you enable SPD write in the BIOS almost guaranteed you will end up bricked, but it happened to me with it disabled twice. The first time when it wiped the SPD it was enabled.

 

OpenRGB says it is the memory manufacturers fault for not protecting the modules. Might be the case, and I believe it probably is, but it is still the end user that ends up getting screwed and it directly resulted from using OpenRGB.

[ryan]

haha I bought a rgb keyboard but all I want is white lights. thanks for the advice gentleman, just installed openRGB. works like a charm and no crapola was installed.

 

Side note I can't wait to get a desktop and good monitor like your guys setup. I really appreciate the help though I was not expecting a response back as its so far off topic.

 

 

edit woah bricked??? is it safe for a asus keyboard?

[Mr. Fox]

13 minutes ago, ryan said:

haha I bought a rgb keyboard but all I want is white lights. thanks for the advice gentleman, just installed openRGB. works like a charm and no crapola was installed.

 

Side note I can't wait to get a desktop and good monitor like your guys setup. I really appreciate the help though I was not expecting a response back as its so far off topic.

Same. I just want white, and only white. If the companies that sold RGB products would make static white the default and let those that want something else install software the world would be a much better place. The default rainbow puke is disgusting and makes me hate buying products with RGB.

 

OpenRGB works fine for things other than RAM. I use it for my keyboard and GPU without issue. Beware of using it for memory RGB. 

 

13 minutes ago, ryan said:

edit woah bricked??? is it safe for a asus keyboard?

Should be fine for peripherals. It works great for RAM as well... until it doesn't. There's no easy way to fix it since Thaiphoon Burner does not work for DDR5. I had Vitality Jungle (Thaiphoon Burner developer) confirm the SPD corruption. He could fix it, but there is no way to flash it correctly. The unfortunate part is that OpenRGB can accidentally write to areas of the memory that have nothing to do with the RGB space on the memory modules.

 

The safest option for memory RGB is to use the RAM manufacturer's RGB software. G.SKILL's RGB utility works for TeamGroup and other brands of memory. But, it doesn't permanently save the changes to the memory modules. It applies the color scheme only while running, which is why it is safe. Nothing gets written to the memory modules.

[ryan]

thanks for clearing that up. back a few years ago I really liked RGB because it was different and not so common, a nice change from white lights. now with everything including mouse pads being RGPuke I honestly think its pretty cool having the option of perkey rgb and just using white leds. I like options but Im not going full pink anytime soon. I think it's a little different with desktops have rgb to show off your setup but I think if it was all white lights it would look cleaner. 

 

I am still thinking of getting a desktop just not sure if it's a smart idea going the enthusiast route like a 4090 i9 ect. back in the day I was going to buy a refurbished desktop with like a i7 4770kf and just buy ram/gpu/ssd and call it a day but with the recent drops in laptop pricing(refurbished) its a hard sell unless I go full on. I saw a 3070ti laptop for 1200 cad at best buy and I was comparing it to a desktop 3060ti and the desktop in the end is more expensive. really just wish OEMS would lower the prices further and people would stop pricing their 5 yearold desktops like they are just openbox

[Papusan]

11 hours ago, D2ultima said:

Windows says there's a BIOS update for my board, I guess I should try updating the BIOS and seeing if it shows up then. I guess I'll take a picture of my CPU fan curve and the like and try it later this weekend. I wasn't gonna update because what wasn't broke I shouldn't fix, but, oh well.

 

I thought I was probably on the latest BIOS since it supported the 13600K plug and play, but I suppose there was more

LOOOL

 

Asus has become Dell light/sibling. They offer Microsoft old bios updates for Win patch servers that shouldn't be installed if you have upgraded to newer processors. See it this way.... You uppgraded from 12900K to 13900K on your Z690 Apex board and Windows update want that you upgrade to an older bios version that don't support 13th gen processors. Perverse.

 

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

You should not be allowing Windows to know whether or not the firmware update is available. That is none of their business and access should be blocked for the best outcome. I would recommend disabling the BIOS options for MyAsus and Armory Crate. I do not recommend updating the BIOS.

 

All newer bios versions released last months is for the coming Raptor Refresh (14th gen) and a very few security patches. There is no need for them if you don't intended to upgrade your Cpu. Only upgrade if you need the compatibility with new hardware. And if you have to upgrade sBios then the newer MEI firmware is also needed. If you don't do it the correct way with some MB brands then you are doomed to run into problems.

 

5 hours ago, D2ultima said:

I searched my system for armory crate and couldn't find anything. I vaguely remember manually downloading all drivers from the ASUS website when I installed the machine, so that probably explains it.

 

As for the myasus toggle I'll look for it when I next reboot!

 

Use MoKiChU drivers for Asus boards. Many pure INF drivers. Here's the link... https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/hardware-build-advice/index-all-my-drivers-firmware-software-threads/td-p/827232 

 

I never use any of the drivers from Asus support website. As long there is a chance to get clean drivers with less bloat, I will rather use that. 

 

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Same. I just want white, and only white. If the companies that sold RGB products would make static white the default and let those that want something else install software the world would be a much better place.

 

They all cater to the gamer kids now. And they buy with their eyes. The more bling... The better. 

[ryan]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

They all cater to the gamer kids now. And they buy with their eyes. The more bling... The better. 

Most gamers are still the baby boomers, and the games are often times still be made by older generation. As for gamer kids, yes they want the best bling first and quality last.

 

Also quick question, don't get mad haha but is anyone suing cablemod? like how do they explain it to a upset customer without being taken to court. 

[Mr. Fox]

Got new internet... finally... long overdue competition for Cox Cable. It was the only option other than crappy 20 Mbps DSL, but now we have fiber. Same price as Cox Cable Gigabit, but faster both ways. Quantum Fiber is the new ISP.

[tps3443]

My loop is still sucking air in. I have taken apart every pump reassembled with O-Ring grease on the G1/4 plug seals and the pump seals. 
 

I’m going to check the super cool, it has a few small bubbles in it. 

[Reciever]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Got new internet... finally... long overdue competition for Cox Cable. It was the only option other than crappy 20 Mbps DSL, but now we have fiber. Same price as Cox Cable Gigabit, but faster both ways. Quantum Fiber is the new ISP.

Nice! 

 

I get around 900/800 most of the time from my 1Gbps

[Mr. Fox]

7 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Nice! 

 

I get around 900/800 most of the time from my 1Gbps

I am amongst the first to get it so it might go down a bit once more users are consuming bandwidth.

[jaybee83]

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That's strange. The Strix Z690-E that I used to have had it. Maybe they removed it in a BIOS update downgrade.

  

You're correct in doubting it. Sapphire was an ATi AIB before they were purchased by AMD back in the day before NVIDIA displaced them as the world's premier GPU ODM. My last ATi (pre-AMD) Radeon All-in-Wonder Pro and Rage Pro (circa 1996-1997) were made by Sapphire. They have always been ATi/AMD-only. PCIe did not even exist back then. The cutting edge GPU slot back then was AGP and the VRAM was measured in MB instead of GB.

 

 

ah those were the days....good times 😄 

 

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

Newest version of OpenRGB supports many Asus systems and peripherals. Give it a try first for controlling RGB before installing AC garbage.

 

I found with my Asus G18 it even supports it now so I could avoid AC completely. Only downside in classic Asus fashion is you NEED to have AC installed to enable full CPU turbo mode or you're capped at 115w....thanks Asus.

 

I avoid Bios enabled AC and MyAsus and manually download drivers so I can pick and choose not only the drivers I want but the order of installation. Usually when you update your BIOS these conveniently toggle back to "on" you know....for your convenience. 🙄

 

Only after installing all my drivers and manual installs do I enable Windows update to pick up on anything I might need along with updates.

 

 

 

yup openrgb is cool, sometimes a bit finicky to use but its barely visible in terms of system resources 🙂 

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Got new internet... finally... long overdue competition for Cox Cable. It was the only option other than crappy 20 Mbps DSL, but now we have fiber. Same price as Cox Cable Gigabit, but faster both ways. Quantum Fiber is the new ISP.

 

Great that you now have more options. Imyself sit on the fence reduce my 1GIG fiber line down to 500. Will see how much I can save going this route. It's only me an my wife in the house now so the need for fatest speed is less than before.

 

Btw. AMD offer exactly what their consumers want. See link below 🙂

6 hours ago, ryan said:

Most gamers are still the baby boomers, and the games are often times still be made by older generation. As for gamer kids, yes they want the best bling first and quality last.

 

Also quick question, don't get mad haha but is anyone suing cablemod? like how do they explain it to a upset customer without being taken to court. 

 

As long the people get the cards replaced I don't think we will see people suing Cablemod. Maybe if they are angry enough because they need to wait several weeks for the repaired cards. Time will tell. I expect nvidia will be sued first😁

 

Btw. Do you  enjoy Geforce now? Mr. Jensen mean this services is all too cheap in Canada. Hence the price hike by 40%. So be very happy they didn't do an 4080 once again and increased the sub by +72%

 

 

Nvidia Increasing GeForce Now Subscription Prices in Some Regions

 

 

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AMD strikes again....

 

 

AMD Counter-Strikes Itself, Pulls Driver After Anti-Lag Feature Causes CS2 Bans AMD's latest Radeon driver makes Valve's anti-cheat system think that the user is cheating.

 

AMD quickly withdrew its latest Radeon driver this afternoon because using it with Valve's Counter Strike 2 could result in a ban by the Valve Anti-Cheat tool (h/t @9550pro). AMD promises to fix the issue, whereas Valve plans to identify affected users and reverse their ban once everything returns to normal.

 

Meanwhile, the latest AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition 23.10.1 driver also supports three major titles: Assassin's Creed Mirage, The Lords of the Fallen, and Forza Motorsport. Therefore, the retraction affects gamers who want to play these titles with the latest drivers. 

[tps3443]

Pump is here D5 Next. Great deal for $115. 

 

[ryan]

sorry bro I was away for a bit, but yes I checked out geforce now and back in the day it was good, now its good enough if someone has gamers itch they can game on any laptop and have a great experience. it still has slight lag but its not a deal breaker for most games only in FPS twitch shooters like counterstrike. I was actually thinking, I don't game a whole lot and if I want to game I'd be better off just using geforce now sporadically. depressing that the hobby of benchmarking laptops is on its last leg and almost over

[tps3443]

@Papusan

 

My D5 Next says 0 L flow rate. How do I make it work? I got it all set up. 

[Papusan]

41 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

@Papusan

 

My D5 Next says 0 L flow rate. How do I make it work? I got it all set up. 

I have the flow meter. You have the pump. Maybe read the manual... D5 NEXT

 

User and installation manual - D5 NEXT - Aqua Computer

 

Aquacomputer D5 Next pump review. - YouTube