*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

16 hours ago, Papusan said:

A very interesting article from Igorslab will pop up tomorrow. Hope he don't draw wrong conclusions this time.

 

Looking for the final piece of the puzzle for burnt 12VHPWR connectors | Teasers

Interesting tidbit here. I wonder what Galax/KFA2 did vs all other to avoid the 12VHPWR melt gate. But from what I see, the use of lower quality/lack of QC has be on of the reasons for much of the melt hell. Hope Igorslab won't be colored by their coparation/partnership with Cablemod. Me have talked about bad quality and bad QC a long time.... And all my talk about this was spot on.

 

...I can actually only advise that as a manufacturer of these connectors, you should adhere exactly to the specifications and check this constantly and often within a series. Yes, it's a higher cost, but the customer will definitely be grateful. Part of the problem certainly lies in the ************ used, as the incoming goods must be checked more closely by quality control. Since there are many manufacturers of connectors, the quality of the products varies greatly. While the plastic housings were all cast very correctly, things become more problematic with the *********** and its initial quality.

 

 

 

LOOOL. The Cablemod moderators delete replies in loads. And look at this....HaHa, the thread topic turned into.... Can anyone instead recommend a new Chassis, LOOL

Can anyone recommend the 90 degree (not the adapter) 12 volt for the 4090 suprim x, curious about fitment

 

 

The new article from Igorslab is out. I just replied in their comment section.... Will see if Igor reply on it. Or they delete it because of their partnership with Cablemod🙂 Of course Igor Wallosek don't talk much about Cablemod failures with the 12VHPWR melting mess. Can't do that! 

 

This (article) or work "of art" is mostly paid for by Cablemod. No doubt.

 

Edit. Got answer back from Igor Wallossek...

 

From the upper floor... I'm directly connected. No marketing, but technicians and managing ppl. The amount is for all shipped 1.1

Or with my own words:
If the header can't follow the specs, the cable plug must be able to follow the idiotism 

 

 

More about the topic here....

 

News

Smoldering Headers on NVIDIA’s GeForce RTX 4090 - New Insights, Measurements and (Un)known Causes of the 12VHPWR and 12V-2×6 Issue | igor´sLAB

This article sounds like it's attempting to shift blame saying that GPU manufacturers should use adapters with perfectly aligned pins... uh no. The GPU manufacturers didn't intend for people to use any sort of PCB mounted connectors with the GPU. These connectors do not appear to provide the flexibility and self adjustments that cables do. Once you solder on the connector's terminal to the PCB, they are mounted for good in whatever position they were soldered in, they won't self adjust. So the solution isn't that GPU manufactures should adhere to even stricter tolerances than what's prescribed in the PCI CIG, the solution is that people need to stop using PCB mounted connectors that have no self adjustments for each separate terminal like a cable does.

This is why the wired connection would always be superior. Not a pcb mounted connector for which the terminals are permanently fixed in one position.

 

Can Cablemod's own moderators try ban you in other of the reddit forums? This is my reply in r/nvidia forum. Right on point as always. I didn't exactly use the word... Liar.

 

Yup... Like magicians. Just use a hat.

 

1 hour ago, cylix said:

Looks like a number of factors are at play

 

https://www.igorslab.de/en/smoldering-headers-on-nvidias-geforce-rtx-4090/

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

21 hours ago, ryan said:

Thanks, the ghelper app need asus acpi??not sure what that is or where to get it, and for some reason i cant uninstall all the asus malware surely this is a joke.

 

@cylix its for a asus strix keyboard that I want to smash. I had a perfect install of windows untill asus guided me through installing this garbage. I called the main line to see if i could get a proper link to the software and he led me to the same crap. ill use g helper if it works for the strix flare keyboard otherwise ill have to buy a new keyboard, the other app that was referenced didnt have profiles like light effects, i want my keyboard to have all the features otherwise like before im just setting it to white and counting my losses

 

11 hours ago, cylix said:

Ah I see..Jesus wants you to use Crate for a mere keyboard aswell, omg how stupid is that. They really go to new levels just to annoy the customers...

It is tragic and criminal that so many turdbooks are reliant on feces like Armory Crate, Dragon Center, Clevo Control Center, Alienware Command Center and similar dung to have functionality. Armory Crate is probably the worst example of digital rubbish that I have ever seen. A picture says 1,000 words.  Head on a swivel, boys... head on a swivel. Removal means removal... as in gone without a trace. Uninstalling is never enough to perfect the exorcism.

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

up... Like magicians. Just use a hat.

 

Hmmm. Cablemod rep never responded back on my answer on his reply😀 Oh'well.

[electrosoft]

4090 vs 7900xtx round 2 along with UV vs OC on the 4090 (stock vBIOS)

 

World of Warcraft out in Ardenweald (Hardest hitting zone still as it pretty much takes the CPU out of the equation) 4k Ultra RT Max. My fps is capped at 143fps.

 

.950 UV vs 1.1 OC (FPS difference = ~0-3fps avg and 1%)

 

.950 UV @ 2865mhz

1.1 OC @ 3120mhz

 

Major difference is with UV my room doesn't turn into a furnace as quickly. 🙂

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

49 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

4090 vs 7900xtx round 2 along with UV vs OC on the 4090 (stock vBIOS)

 

World of Warcraft out in Ardenweald (Hardest hitting zone still as it pretty much takes the CPU out of the equation) 4k Ultra RT Max. My fps is capped at 143fps.

 

.950 UV vs 1.1 OC (FPS difference = ~0-3fps avg and 1%)

 

.950 UV @ 2865mhz

1.1 OC @ 3120mhz

 

Major difference is with UV my room doesn't turn into a furnace as quickly. 🙂

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

hmmmm....with a 9% difference in gpu core clocks but basically no difference in resulting fps u might be limited somewhere else, other than the GPU core. have u played around with vRAM or system RAM, see how that impacts your numbers? but yeah in this case it absolutely makes sense to go the UV route 🙂 

[electrosoft]

27 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

hmmmm....with a 9% difference in gpu core clocks but basically no difference in resulting fps u might be limited somewhere else, other than the GPU core. have u played around with vRAM or system RAM, see how that impacts your numbers? but yeah in this case it absolutely makes sense to go the UV route 🙂 

 

I think the problem (if you want to call it that 😁)  is I cap my frames at 143 (I have a 144hz display) so they are bouncing off of that being real close with an average of 130fps. If I uncap and let it run wild, you will see a bigger difference between 2865 and 3120.

 

No memory OC on either for this test.

 

I'm finishing up some 7900xtx data collection and, well.....it still sucks even 10 months removed for WoW. Same poor RT performance and same "just ok" RT off performance with the same settings. It still stutters with RT on too.

 

For WoW, it is not the card to buy with a comparable Nvidia offering out there. I'd even recommend a 4070ti or 4080 over the 7900xtx for a hardcore WoW player.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

Testers/reviewers need to use the right hardware for their testing. Etc. You don't use an hammer if you fasten screws @Rage Set😂

 

 

https://www.igorslab.de/community/threads/schmorende-header-an-nvidias-geforce-rtx-4090-neue-erkenntnisse-messungen-und-un-bekannte-ursachen-zum-12vhpwr-und-12v-2x6-problem.8967/post-243355

 

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Intel Kills Off Its Chip-Freezing Cryo Cooling Technology tomshardware.com

As spotted by hardware detective momomo_us, Intel stopped working on the Cryo Cooling Technology as of July 1. Nonetheless, the chipmaker will continue distributing functional, security, and other miscellaneous updates until December 31, 2023. After that, owners of Cryo Cooling Technology products will potentially be left in the cold, with no support for newer Intel processors.

 

The thing with Intel's Cryo Cooling Technology is that it wasn't just about the hardware. Intel had envisioned it to be a small ecosystem comprised of software, firmware, and hardware working in harmony. The chipmaker's unexpected move to discontinue Cryo Cooling Technology puts its partners in a difficult predicament. Luckily, not many vendors had jumped on the Cryo Cooling hype train.

 

 

[tps3443]

12 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I think the problem (if you want to call it that 😁)  is I cap my frames at 143 (I have a 144hz display) so they are bouncing off of that being real close with an average of 130fps. If I uncap and let it run wild, you will see a bigger difference between 2865 and 3120.

 

No memory OC on either for this test.

 

I'm finishing up some 7900xtx data collection and, well.....it still sucks even 10 months removed for WoW. Same poor RT performance and same "just ok" RT off performance with the same settings. It still stutters with RT on too.

 

For WoW, it is not the card to buy with a comparable Nvidia offering out there. I'd even recommend a 4070ti or 4080 over the 7900xtx for a hardcore WoW player.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Both GPU’s are even at 99% And that’s 4090 VS. 7900XTX? Wow, literally. 

[Rage Set]

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

Testers/reviewers need to use the right hardware for their testing. Etc. You don't use an hammer if you fasten screws @Rage Set😂

 

 

https://www.igorslab.de/community/threads/schmorende-header-an-nvidias-geforce-rtx-4090-neue-erkenntnisse-messungen-und-un-bekannte-ursachen-zum-12vhpwr-und-12v-2x6-problem.8967/post-243355

 

 

 

And this is why I'm sticking with the older cards for now. Instead of a 7900XTX or 4090, I have gone back to the 6900XT. As you always state and I completely agree, newer isn't always better. 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Both GPU’s are even at 99% And that’s 4090 VS. 7900XTX? Wow, literally. 

That is not representative of how they compare overall. In many, if not most things, the 7900 XTX trails the 4090 by more than a small margin and trades blows with the 4070 Ti and 4080. If ray tracing is involved, the gap widens further. AMD resolution scaling is less effective and image quality is comparatively poor overall. Nothing comes close to comparing with the 4090 in terms of performance, or being absurdly overpriced. 

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

And this is why I'm sticking with the older cards for now. Instead of a 7900XTX or 4090, I have gone back to the 6900XT. As you always state and I completely agree, newer isn't always better. 

Everything desirable (high end) that is offered by AMD and NVIDIA is grossly overpriced and, to some degree, similarly overrated. That is why I ordered an Arc A770 to replace the 6900 XT. The superior alternatives are a poor value and too expensive for what you get in return for the money spent.

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Both GPU’s are even at 99% And that’s 4090 VS. 7900XTX? Wow, literally. 

 

18 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is not representative of how they compare overall. In many, if not most things, the 7900 XTX trails the 4090 by more than a small margin and trades blows with the 4070 Ti and 4080. If ray tracing is involved, the gap widens further. AMD resolution scaling is less effective and image quality is comparatively poor overall. Nothing comes close to comparing with the 4090 in terms of performance, or being absurdly overpriced.

 

LOL, that's my 4090 vs my 4090.

 

OC 1.1v Stock vBIOS  3120mhz vs UV Stock vBIOS  .950 2865mhz

 

They're basically equal (you can see +3fps on the 1% for the 3120) because my display is capped at 143fps because it is a 144hz display and both are routinely bouncing off that cap. If I drop the cap and let them fly you'll see the OC put a little distance between them.

 

I haven't put up my 7900xtx results yet, but trust me the 4090 destroys it in WoW just as bad if not worse than back in January when I pitted my XFX 7900xtx vs my Suprim.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is why I ordered an Arc A770 to replace the 6900 XT.

[jaybee83]

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is not representative of how they compare overall. In many, if not most things, the 7900 XTX trails the 4090 by more than a small margin and trades blows with the 4070 Ti and 4080. If ray tracing is involved, the gap widens further. AMD resolution scaling is less effective and image quality is comparatively poor overall. Nothing comes close to comparing with the 4090 in terms of performance, or being absurdly overpriced. 

Everything desirable (high end) that is offered by AMD and NVIDIA is grossly overpriced and, to some degree, similarly overrated. That is why I ordered an Arc A770 to replace the 6900 XT. The superior alternatives are a poor value and too expensive for what you get in return for the money spent.

 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

ha i was juuust about to say id love to see your input on overclocking the A770. especially with regards to how much of an actual performance bump you get out of it 🙂 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

 

Ha i was juuust about to say id love to see your input on overclocking the A770. especially with regards to how much of an actual performance bump you get out of it 🙂 

It will be interesting to play with, but it is going in my work PC. More than anything else, I need it to be reliable and not have the issues with text rendering in M$ Office and DWM being spastic when I screen share.

[jaybee83]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It will be interesting to play with, but it is going in my work PC. More than anything else, I need it to be reliable and not have the issues with text rendering in M$ Office and DWM being spastic when I screen share.

sounds like a plan hahaha

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

sounds like a plan hahaha

My system started feeling laggy with the last Adrenaline update and it looks like the AMD Control Panel thing has a memory leak now. It was consuming around 30% of my memory and about 5% CPU utilization with the system otherwise idle. It was a challenging decision because 4060/4070 Ti are more enticing, but I knew I did not want to spend double the price of the A770 for less than double the performance. The chintzy cut-down memory bus on the Green Goblin's baby-girl wuss GPU offerings really pisses me off. That was a deliberate ploy to nudge people away from the cheaper options and put more distance between the 4090 and everything else. Even though the weaker siblings perform quite well in spite of the castrated memory bus, it still pisses me off pretty bad because I know the unnecessary and nefarious intentions behind it.

 

So, common sense prevailed and I spent half as much on what should get the job done without any more basic functionality issues. If I don't like it, then I will RMA it and buy something better. I am hoping to love it and I am approaching the idea with a belief that I will. Seems promising. If all goes well it will make the idea of embracing Battlemage feel more natural and alluring.

 

I am looking forward to seeing how it performs on Linux, too. Something different to play with.

 

I found a place in France that fabricates custom GPU blocks for reasonable prices. I may look into that option as well.

[Mr. Fox]

LOL, Brother @Papusanyou need two of these for your Galax 4090. Maybe they will not catch on fire. Too stupid.

[jaybee83]

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

LOL, Brother @Papusanyou need two of these for your Galax 4090. Maybe they will not catch on fire. Too stupid.

 

 

ah yes, lets all collect and get uncle papu a bunch of those to kit out his system with 🤣 IMAGINE HIS FACE WHEN HE OPENS THAT PRESENT HAHAHA

[tps3443]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It will be interesting to play with, but it is going in my work PC. More than anything else, I need it to be reliable and not have the issues with text rendering in M$ Office and DWM being spastic when I screen share.

If you get a A770 you’ve gotta put a waterblock on it! 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

My system started feeling laggy with the last Adrenaline update and it looks like the AMD Control Panel thing has a memory leak now. It was consuming around 30% of my memory and about 5% CPU utilization with the system otherwise idle.

 

Yeah, I am finding Adrenaline bloated and boggy.

Performance is still not there even in Fallout 76.

 

I'm going to do my due diligence and still swap this MSI 7900xtx into my main rig and give it a clean install and swap my Suprim in with the 13900ks and see who reigns supreme since my last comparison was the 7800X3D vs my 12900k on DDR4.

 

Still have to use RIVA to cap fps as Adrenaline capping function still doesn't work.

 

Don't think I'm going to score a better sample of a 7900xtx. Very low coil whine, boosts to 2835, runs cool. I suspect the person that returned it switched to Nvidia (or switched back 🤣).

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

If you get a A770 you’ve gotta put a waterblock on it! 

I will need to have one custom made. EK made one for the Intel "reference" but discontinued it. I did not buy one of those, and I am not sure if the PCB is the same. I think it's not. 

 

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-arc-a770-a770-pg-16go/p/N82E16814930102?Item=N82E16814930102

Here is the place in France that makes waterblocks. 
https://hybridcooling-modding.fr/waterblock-custom#
https://hybridcooling-modding.fr/waterblock-custom#/93-top-acrylique_transparent/131-usinage_prioritaire-non/279-cold_plate-enhanced_coldplate_80_microcannaux/280-plaque_inter-plaquage_noir/138-passage_ldr-4_x_g1_4

[Papusan]

On 11/5/2023 at 8:35 PM, Papusan said:

Remember the elite (the chosen ones - in house testers), use and have full access to binned boards, sticks and Cpu to make XMP profiles/claims how good their products is (motherboards). Of course you get better results with binned boards as the elite even if your Cpu/sticks isn't the top bin. The stupid in this.... The variable quality in their products as MB's will make an hit or miss to the paying cosumers. They can't expect similar if they don't have or paid for similar products. And none of the elite (the choosen ones) will admit that you got screwed by their own "prefered" company. They can't afford being thrown righ out from the company. Sad truth... You often don't get what you paid for. High end being often treatened as cheapo junk.

 

On 10/22/2023 at 2:22 AM, Papusan said:

intel XMPs and motherboard QVLs are a useless mess. The QVL list will never be correct as long the testers (elite benchers) at the different brands continue use binned hardware in their testing and validating of firmware. Once again why use binned HW? So the brand can brag about unreliable results that are not rooted in reality. Only to sell overpriced HW. See from 10:15

 

On 11/5/2023 at 9:04 PM, Papusan said:

No one win the HW lottery time out and time in for MB, CPU's, Mem sticks and GPU's without having the correct connections. And this repeat one, two or 3 times each year (always a HW lottery winner on day one after every new HW releases). If this was true everynoe could play the money lottery over and over and win every single time. Not how the world works out.

 

The rest of us have to accept circles of garbage....

 

 

 

How I Set 50 Overclocking Records with Intel's Raptor Lake Refresh CPUs and Plenty of Liquid Nitrogen tomshardware 

 

Let’s overclock! For full transparency, I have many close relations in the PC industry, and several sources provided these CPUs. They should be considered higher quality than a normal random draw.

 

Read also.... For my record-setting attempts, I use my trusty ASRock Z690 Aqua OC motherboard. Why not a Z790 motherboard if I have access to whatever I want? Well, to me, Z790 is just a different name for the same thing, much like the 13900K is to the 14900K..... Of course this is possible if you got a hand picked top binned board. I wonder if he would be happy with a vanilla old Z690 board  as the rest of us got. 

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

LOL, Brother @Papusanyou need two of these for your Galax 4090. Maybe they will not catch on fire. Too stupid.

 

That's grossly.....

 

 

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

ah yes, lets all collect and get uncle papu a bunch of those to kit out his system with 🤣 IMAGINE HIS FACE WHEN HE OPENS THAT PRESENT HAHAHA

 

Do you hate me so much?😂 

[electrosoft]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I will need to have one custom made. EK made one for the Intel "reference" but discontinued it. I did not buy one of those, and I am not sure if the PCB is the same. I think it's not. 

 

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-arc-a770-a770-pg-16go/p/N82E16814930102?Item=N82E16814930102

Here is the place in France that makes waterblocks. 
https://hybridcooling-modding.fr/waterblock-custom#
https://hybridcooling-modding.fr/waterblock-custom#/93-top-acrylique_transparent/131-usinage_prioritaire-non/279-cold_plate-enhanced_coldplate_80_microcannaux/280-plaque_inter-plaquage_noir/138-passage_ldr-4_x_g1_4

 

I'm looking forward to pics of the PCB and seeing where you take it under water. In the realm of A770s, the Asrock to me is the best overall "classic" version.

 

I agree not picking up another Nvidia lower tier product that, while solid performers, do not scale in tandem price:performance wise with their previous iterations. You can't reward bad behavior.

 

 

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I will need to have one custom made. EK made one for the Intel "reference" but discontinued it. I did not buy one of those, and I am not sure if the PCB is the same. I think it's not. 

 

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-arc-a770-a770-pg-16go/p/N82E16814930102?Item=N82E16814930102

Here is the place in France that makes waterblocks. 
https://hybridcooling-modding.fr/waterblock-custom#
https://hybridcooling-modding.fr/waterblock-custom#/93-top-acrylique_transparent/131-usinage_prioritaire-non/279-cold_plate-enhanced_coldplate_80_microcannaux/280-plaque_inter-plaquage_noir/138-passage_ldr-4_x_g1_4

 

You are sure this isn't more tempting?😆

 

Dell now offering $1,949 Alienware Aurora R15 desktops with Intel Arc A770 GPU

 

Although the inclusion of the A770 GPU into the Dell gaming desktop is great news for Intel, the $2K price for this system is not convincing, considering that the A770 GPU could already be found for just $259.

[electrosoft]

Looks like 8200 is the end of the road for my MSI Z790I Edge ITX 2 dimmer. Even dropping back to G4 to remove the CPU from the equation it won't hit >8200 even with 1.55 super loose timings on the sticks but I'll double check everything when I swap in the Strix Z790I two dimmer for comparison.