*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

Here is more pictures for the pict jockey @electrosoft😀 Say hello to the MSI GeForce GTX 960 GAMING 100ME (Limited Edition) for my GPU collection. Fancy Green and I mean it have Samsung vram. I paid 200,-  or $18.29 USD for this limited beauty so not a huge loss if it fails. And the card have still the void sticker on one of the screws so it probably need a re-paste. The nice part, this card come with a backplate opposite to the more vanilla (MSI) GTX 960 cards. Fantastic that MSI could afford that.

 

 

 

 

Here's the thing... I always try go the cheapo route if I can.  No in Hell I would pay $150 USD as this stupid want for his 8 years old green goblin Edition on ebay. So no difference than with newer cards. No in hell I would paid I cent above $700 for Nvidia's $1199 4080 Scam.

 

Edit. Yup, never re-pasted. Same old dryed out stamp as most of the OEM prefer to use. And no thermal pads for the vram. Can't be cheaper doing it this way....

 

[electrosoft]

20 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Here is more pictures for the pict jockey @electrosoft😀 Say hello to the MSI GeForce GTX 960 GAMING 100ME (Limited Edition) for my GPU collection. Fancy Green and I mean it have Samsung vram. I paid 200,-  or $18.29 USD for this limited beauty so not a huge loss if it fails. And the card have still the void sticker on one of the screws so it probably need a re-paste.

 

https://imgur.com/k87QxHr

 

https://imgur.com/oP4J1TN

 

https://imgur.com/gJ4PMCo

 

Here's the thing... I always try go the cheapo route.  No in Hell I would pay $150 USD as this stupid want for his 8 years old green goblin card on ebay. 

 

 

 

 

At this rate you're going to have to create a display shelf to show off all your GPUs! 🙂

 

I like the look of that card though especially the MSI Dragon.

[Mr. Fox]

OK, there's no turning back on these now. As usual, the heating blankets come off with no effort after soaking in lacquer thinner for 20-30 minutes.

 

[jaybee83]

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

Here is more pictures for the pict jockey @electrosoft😀 Say hello to the MSI GeForce GTX 960 GAMING 100ME (Limited Edition) for my GPU collection. Fancy Green and I mean it have Samsung vram. I paid 200,-  or $18.29 USD for this limited beauty so not a huge loss if it fails. And the card have still the void sticker on one of the screws so it probably need a re-paste. The nice part, this card come with a backplate opposite to the more vanilla (MSI) GTX 960 cards. Fantastic that MSI could afford that.

 

 

 

 

Here's the thing... I always try go the cheapo route if I can.  No in Hell I would pay $150 USD as this stupid want for his 8 years old green goblin Edition on ebay. So no difference than with newer cards. No in hell I would paid I cent above $700 for Nvidia's $1199 4080 Scam.

 

Edit. Yup, never re-pasted. Same old dryed out stamp as most of the OEM prefer to use. And no thermal pads for the vram. Can't be cheaper doing it this way....

 

 

the green looks kinda "wrong" after being used to the classic red n black form the 900 series era 😄 how will you apply the thermal pads on the vram without them getting squished into the heatsink fins of the cooler?

[Papusan]

On 9/22/2023 at 11:28 PM, Papusan said:

Edit. We can continue talk about stupids.... Why let three vram ic's have thermal pads and heatsink and then let the 5 others without nothing ? Aka naked. Is Asus the new Dell? Is this vram heatsink designed by Dell's engineers? 

 

This is the 1070 HOF vram heatsink with thermal pads for all 8 vram IC's. And Galax even gave the 1070 2x8-pins. Asus could only afford 1x8-pin for their 1070 OC flagship and half-baked vram heatsink. Whats wrong with Asus bro @Mr. Fox? Greed or stupidity? Could it be both bro @electrosoft?😵

 

11 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

the green looks kinda "wrong" after being used to the classic red n black form the 900 series era 😄 how will you apply the thermal pads on the vram without them getting squished into the heatsink fins of the cooler?

 

Jup, stupid heatsink design by stupid engineers. Just let the vram be naked and let the fans flow air over them. I could use K5 Pro thermal putty as I use for the other older cards. But it won't help much due idiot design. As you can see from the links... Not only Asus make awful cooling design. Also Msi have hired idiots for their thermal design solutions. 

 

 

Edit. Here you can see Evga created proper cooling for the vram. Why Asus and Msi hate spend needed money on the cooling is baffling//mind boggling. Greedy paired with stupidity is a dangerous combination.

[Mr. Fox]

36 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 Greedy paired with stupidity is a dangerous combination.

When you combine those with apathy it becomes deadly. As I have said many times, they don't care about the products they sell, or the people that buy them. All they care about is making money. Having to care requires too much effort and costs money.

[tps3443]

My actual flow rate using a mechnical flow meter is 715.68 L/H 😎 using a calibrated Aquacomputer HighFlow 2. This is really some bonkers flow rate with (5) D5 pumps at 100%.


🤯

[Papusan]

On 11/17/2023 at 5:22 PM, Papusan said:

Jup, stupid heatsink design by stupid engineers..... Greedy paired with stupidity is a dangerous combination.

 

On 11/17/2023 at 5:57 PM, Mr. Fox said:

When you combine those with apathy it becomes deadly. As I have said many times, they don't care about the products they sell, or the people that buy them. All they care about is making money. Having to care requires too much effort and costs money.

 

Some engineers should be fired. They can't even make an SSD cooler correctly. I can add in "blind" as well. 

 

Edit. Yup, it seems Corsair's engineers tested the cooler on one specific slot/board. I added my two cents @Mr. Fox 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Joofus the Doofus is such a belligerent douche bag... sheesh. Although I agree with his conclusions, I can think of better ways of approaching the subject. I guess he likes stirring the pot and making people have a dim view of him.

 

[Rage Set]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Joofus the Doofus is such a belligerent douche bag... sheesh. Although I agree with his conclusions, I can think of better ways of approaching the subject. I guess he likes stirring the pot and making people have a dim view of him.

 

 

What I can't figure out is how he's actually selling these bundles at $1000 a pop plus cost of hardware. I mean, if the majority of his audience is intelligent enough to understand how to overclock, who is paying him these outrageous fees? Convenience can only be so much when it turns into foolishness.  

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, Rage Set said:

if the majority of his audience is intelligent enough to understand how to overclock

I think you nailed it right there...

[Papusan]

On 11/17/2023 at 5:22 PM, Papusan said:

Jup, stupid heatsink design by stupid engineers.

 

On 11/18/2023 at 5:17 AM, Papusan said:

Some engineers should be fired. They can't even make an SSD cooler correctly. I can add in "blind" as well. 

 

Nice. Igorslab have focus on the same topic as me in this weekends article... Useless/stupid engineers and stupid solutions! Happy to see there is some others out there that can see the same as me. Bad engineerering always boils down to the engineers that made the flaws possible. 

 

Weekend blues: Burnt things from the laboratory and the Mini-Fit HCS as a brake on fun igorslab.com

 

A skyscraper decision as unexpected as a plot twist in an engineering soap opera. Really imagine this scene: engineers sitting around a table wondering how they can make the impossible possible. “Let’s put the header upright!” – “But why?” – “Because we can!” And then there is the lack of space on the small PCB. Every millimeter of the PCB is utilized, resulting in a dense population of resistors, capacitors, and other components. The boat was full and they simply put the tower of horror on the board, always hoping that the customer would swallow it and execute the adapter.

 

When we are at it.... Bad engineering also come with some aftermarket solutions that don't do it any better.... Some milk on stupid engineering with lackluster QC.

 

What's the point with the lengthened power pins for the new 12V-6×2 connectors if Cablemod going the opposite way with their lottery terminals? Better quality connectors (CEM 5.1) doesn't help  if the cable maker continue with their poor QC. 

 

Just got around to installing my 1.1 and noticed that the pins have pretty uneven depth; especially the upper-left pin..?

See also. When stupid is the new norm. Cablemod reps try to explain that their 12VHPWR products have less failures than EVGA GPU's. This isn't apple vs apples. This is apples vs oranges.

 

 

[jaybee83]

On 11/17/2023 at 8:58 PM, tps3443 said:

My actual flow rate using a mechnical flow meter is 715.68 L/H 😎 using a calibrated Aquacomputer HighFlow 2. This is really some bonkers flow rate with (5) D5 pumps at 100%.


🤯

 

cmon, everyone knows anything below 1000 L/h is for Noobs. go big or go home! /s 😄 

 

On 11/19/2023 at 12:04 AM, Mr. Fox said:

Joofus the Doofus is such a belligerent douche bag... sheesh. Although I agree with his conclusions, I can think of better ways of approaching the subject. I guess he likes stirring the pot and making people have a dim view of him.

 

 

yeah i saw that vid today, as well. tbh, i dont agree with his conclusions, at all. he basically cant decide what his message is, aside from dumping on other creators to push his own "commmunity driven" agenda of offering his way too expensive services to his subscribers.

 

this based on the following points:

 

- hes criticizing Igor's lab (actually not done by Igor himself in this case) for pushing 1.6 V through the utilized DIMMs during IMC testing. his argument: XMP only needs 1.45V! 

check a recent video he made on XMP profiles, his message: XMP for 8000 only works like 5% of the time! sooo, which is it? follow XMP or not?

 

- hes dumping on the approach of only increasing the vDIMM to 1.6V and leaving everything else on auto. well duh, of course a manual tune brings better results. but this is to get a rough overview on IMC differences of countless cpus to compare 13th and 14th gen. so leaving mobo, dimms and settings the same, this is a valid testing base to check for any differences in IMC performance, with the cpu being the only variable left here.

 

- based on the previous two points: hes offering those mobo/cpu/ram bundles for 1000 USD "tuning fee" plus hardware cost. at the same time hes dumping on others for not doing full proper manual tuning when trying to compare a shitton of cpus with each other. then he says XMP only needs 1.45 VDimm, so that means u CAN trust XMP right? soooo if tuning is "so simple" then why charge 1000 USD for his bundles? he lists 6 out of his 9 bundles reaching DDR5-8000+, sooo whats the conclusion here? IS IT so easy, then why charge 1000 USD? is it NOT that easy so then why dump on others for going a quick route for comparison purposes?

 

- hes previously stated that DDR5 tuning is quite complex and not straight forward, especially vs. previous DDR4 tuning. and even after 1-2 years of tuning and learning hes still learning new stuff regarding DDR5. so basically, DDR5 tuning is hard from his perspective. so far so good. at the same time hes dumping on AMD X3D chips for the "complexity" to get them working properly (i.e. installing X3D driver or using process lasso to make sure the VCache die is utilized in games or other cache sensitive apps). basically stating that u cant offer this kinda hardware to the mainsteam masses, cuz its too "hard" to get it working.

compare that to him making fun of basically everyone else for not being "in the know" and "too mainstream" or superficial when it comes to hardware tuning.

so which is it, Joofus? is hardware tuning easy and u recommend ur "ocmmunity" to go the easy route? or are you and your commmunity "in the know" and everyone else is too stooopid and mainstream superficial for tuning stuff?

 

 

there are also other points where he constantly contradicts himself. the only commonality i can make out is

1) to make himself look good

2) make other tech creators look bad / unknowledgeable at best / spreading intentional misinformation at worst

3) based on 1+2), advertize his overpaid "consultation" services

4) advertize his discord server, which u can only join by entering a subscription, shocker!

 

so yeah...his vids are entertaining, but his way of going about things is dubious at best. this whole "im the specialized underdog, community first! dont trust the techtuber oligarchy"" has been used soooooooooooo many times in all kinda fields, including politics, religion, business....i mean, cmon, enough already. we get it. u want to push ur channel 🙂 so just say so but save on those theatrics.

 

aight, enough ranting! back to playing some Control, loving this game! 😄 

 

also done with DDR5-7600 tuning, only need to lower the voltages now. next step, taking another shot at 8000!

[electrosoft]

Collecting data for Fallout 76 as I managed to finally swap the 7900xtx into my main rig and give it a clean install. 7800X3D beat my 12900k pretty handily with tuned 4133 DDR4, but the 13900KS w/ XMP 8000 DDR5 (not even tuned yet) takes back the crown:

 

All settings everything 4k on Ultra, everything to max.

 

 

Fallout 76 7800X3D vs 13900KS w/ MSI 7900XTX

 

Then my 4090 comes along on the same 7800X3D rig (clean installs for both) and just decimates my 7900XTX in Fallout 76

 

Fallout 76 7900XTX vs 4090

 

Right now, for Fallout 76, it is looking like the 13900KS + 4090 is going to be king but I still need to swap my 4090 into my 13900KS rig for final testing.

 

Still compiling WOW numbers but the 7000 series from AMD has all types of problems with WoW including DX12 crashing left and right and lock ups and stuttering even with RT off this is if you manage to get it to load at all as most times you're left staring at a blank screen that eventually freezes. You have to play with DX11 enabled and even then you still have all types of problems and DX11 takes away a lot of the enhanced eye candy, doesn't support RT (not that it should be enabled in AMD cards at high settings and resolution) and has even poorer fps.

 

Somehow issues with WoW have managed to get worse since January 2023 for the 7900XTX. 😞

 

There are multiple threads in the WoW Blizzard technical support forums, but this one sums up the issues the best: https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/video-driver-crash-in-world-of-warcraft-with-amd-video-cards-7900-xtx-on-directx-12/475734

 

7900XTX for FO76 and WoW at least is looking like a probable steaming pile of fail compared to the 4090.

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

19 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

cmon, everyone knows anything below 1000 L/h is for Noobs. go big or go home! /s 😄 

 

 

yeah i saw that vid today, as well. tbh, i dont agree with his conclusions, at all. he basically cant decide what his message is, aside from dumping on other creators to push his own "commmunity driven" agenda of offering his way too expensive services to his subscribers.

 

this based on the following points:

 

- hes criticizing Igor's lab (actually not done by Igor himself in this case) for pushing 1.6 V through the utilized DIMMs during IMC testing. his argument: XMP only needs 1.45V! 

check a recent video he made on XMP profiles, his message: XMP for 8000 only works like 5% of the time! sooo, which is it? follow XMP or not?

 

- hes dumping on the approach of only increasing the vDIMM to 1.6V and leaving everything else on auto. well duh, of course a manual tune brings better results. but this is to get a rough overview on IMC differences of countless cpus to compare 13th and 14th gen. so leaving mobo, dimms and settings the same, this is a valid testing base to check for any differences in IMC performance, with the cpu being the only variable left here.

 

- based on the previous two points: hes offering those mobo/cpu/ram bundles for 1000 USD "tuning fee" plus hardware cost. at the same time hes dumping on others for not doing full proper manual tuning when trying to compare a shitton of cpus with each other. then he says XMP only needs 1.45 VDimm, so that means u CAN trust XMP right? soooo if tuning is "so simple" then why charge 1000 USD for his bundles? he lists 6 out of his 9 bundles reaching DDR5-8000+, sooo whats the conclusion here? IS IT so easy, then why charge 1000 USD? is it NOT that easy so then why dump on others for going a quick route for comparison purposes?

 

- hes previously stated that DDR5 tuning is quite complex and not straight forward, especially vs. previous DDR4 tuning. and even after 1-2 years of tuning and learning hes still learning new stuff regarding DDR5. so basically, DDR5 tuning is hard from his perspective. so far so good. at the same time hes dumping on AMD X3D chips for the "complexity" to get them working properly (i.e. installing X3D driver or using process lasso to make sure the VCache die is utilized in games or other cache sensitive apps). basically stating that u cant offer this kinda hardware to the mainsteam masses, cuz its too "hard" to get it working.

compare that to him making fun of basically everyone else for not being "in the know" and "too mainstream" or superficial when it comes to hardware tuning.

so which is it, Joofus? is hardware tuning easy and u recommend ur "ocmmunity" to go the easy route? or are you and your commmunity "in the know" and everyone else is too stooopid and mainstream superficial for tuning stuff?

 

 

there are also other points where he constantly contradicts himself. the only commonality i can make out is

1) to make himself look good

2) make other tech creators look bad / unknowledgeable at best / spreading intentional misinformation at worst

3) based on 1+2), advertize his overpaid "consultation" services

4) advertize his discord server, which u can only join by entering a subscription, shocker!

 

so yeah...his vids are entertaining, but his way of going about things is dubious at best. this whole "im the specialized underdog, community first! dont trust the techtuber oligarchy"" has been used soooooooooooo many times in all kinda fields, including politics, religion, business....i mean, cmon, enough already. we get it. u want to push ur channel 🙂 so just say so but save on those theatrics.

 

aight, enough ranting! back to playing some Control, loving this game! 😄 

 

also done with DDR5-7600 tuning, only need to lower the voltages now. next step, taking another shot at 8000!

Dude is a lunatic. He is a jerk on top of that. His potty mouth ranting really is annoying. Maybe he thinks it is cute, or makes him feel like a big boy. Probably all reflective of a deep-seated sense of personal inadequacy or an inferiority complex. Sometimes the only way for a person like that to feel important or valued is to be an obnoxious blowhard and a braggard. Hopefully this is only an internet persona and façade. If he is like that normally it would be a really horrible environment for a spouse or children.

8 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Collecting data for Fallout 76 as I managed to finally swap the 7900xtx into my main rig and give it a clean install. 7800X3D beat my 12900k pretty handily with tuned 4133 DDR4, but the 13900KS w/ XMP 8000 DDR5 (not even tuned yet) takes back the crown:

 

All settings everything 4k on Ultra, everything to max.

 

 

Fallout 76 7800X3D vs 13900KS w/ MSI 7900XTX

 

Then my 4090 comes along on the same 7800X3D rig (clean installs for both) and just decimates my 7900XTX in Fallout 76

 

Fallout 76 7900XTX vs 4090

 

Right now, for Fallout 76, it is looking like the 13900KS + 4090 is going to be king but I still need to swap my 4090 into my 13900KS rig for final testing.

 

Still compiling WOW numbers but the 7000 series from AMD has all types of problems with WoW including DX12 crashing left and right and lock ups and stuttering even with RT off this is if you manage to get it to load at all as most times you're left staring at a blank screen that eventually freezes. You have to play with DX11 enabled and even then you still have all types of problems and DX11 takes away a lot of the enhanced eye candy, doesn't support RT (not that it should be enabled in AMD cards at high settings and resolution) and has even poorer fps.

 

Somehow issues with WoW have managed to get worse since January 2023 for the 7900XTX. 😞

 

There are multiple threads in the WoW Blizzard technical support forums, but this one sums up the issues the best: https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/video-driver-crash-in-world-of-warcraft-with-amd-video-cards-7900-xtx-on-directx-12/475734

 

7900XTX for FO76 and WoW at least is looking like a probable steaming pile of fail compared to the 4090.

Very good info. Thanks for sharing it.

 

[Papusan]

What's wrong with the U:S Government? Why the 4090 but not nvidia's $6000 RTX 6000 ADA cards? Smart done by Mr. Jensen and Nvidia.... Stop producing 4090's then make shortage and rather use all AD102 die's for their more expensive workstation cards. They even screwed own AIC partners. Because they needed all the AD102 chips themself.

 

The US government banned Nvidia's fastest gaming GPU from China — chipmaker pulls RTX 4090 listings due to AI concerns, but leaves RTX 6000 Ada

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

What's wrong with the U:S Government? Why the 4090 but not nvidia's $6000 RTX 6000 ADA cards? Smart done by Mr. Jensen and Nvidia.... Stop producing 4090's then make shortage and rather use all AD102 die's for their more expensive workstation cards. They even screwed own AIC partners. Because they needed all the AD102 chips themself.

 

The US government banned Nvidia's fastest gaming GPU from China — chipmaker pulls RTX 4090 listings due to AI concerns, but leaves RTX 6000 Ada

Not surprising. Elect a clown, expect a circus.

Spoiler

 

[jaybee83]

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

What's wrong with the U:S Government? Why the 4090 but not nvidia's $6000 RTX 6000 ADA cards? Smart done by Mr. Jensen and Nvidia.... Stop producing 4090's then make shortage and rather use all AD102 die's for their more expensive workstation cards. They even screwed own AIC partners. Because they needed all the AD102 chips themself.

 

The US government banned Nvidia's fastest gaming GPU from China — chipmaker pulls RTX 4090 listings due to AI concerns, but leaves RTX 6000 Ada

 

oh the govt banned both, or rather now requires licenses for both to be able and sell into china. theory is that the green goblin thinks the RTX 6000 is worth it, but the 4090 aint. makes sense if u look at the price tags 😄 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

oh the govt banned both, or rather now requires licenses for both to be able and sell into china. theory is that the green goblin thinks the RTX 6000 is worth it, but the 4090 aint. makes sense if u look at the price tags 😄 

The side effect… Same as under the mining race. Shortage and higher prices (4090). And they can probably sell more overpriced 4080’s. Perfect solution giving the 4080 Super the cheaper AD103 die. Today’s question…. Will nvidia release a 4080Ti ? @electrosoft🫢

[ryan]

is this native or geforce now?

 

I found a tweak online about changing the bit rate the above photo was with a bit rate of 375. now we are talking, I guess streaming is here and here to stay, its completely playable and looks like native 4k still and while moving, sorry for being so off topic but its just that good!! and now I don't have to save up for a 4090 desktop rig. no point

 

I will point out it looked pretty bad in motion close up with the default 75mbs

 

heres my internet stats to give you an idea you basically need ping under 40ms and download latency around 40ms but if you dont have great bandwidth its not the reason it looks bad having any packet loss results in blotches with distant image.

 

[Mr. Fox]

16 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

oh the govt banned both, or rather now requires licenses for both to be able and sell into china. theory is that the green goblin thinks the RTX 6000 is worth it, but the 4090 aint. makes sense if u look at the price tags 😄 

 

15 hours ago, Papusan said:

The side effect… Same as under the mining race. Shortage and higher prices (4090). And they can probably sell more overpriced 4080’s. Perfect solution giving the 4080 Super the cheaper AD103 die. Today’s question…. Will nvidia release a 4080Ti ? @electrosoft🫢

At the end of the day it just doesn't matter. None of it does. Law-makers are stupid and worthless. Governments are corrupt and the media liars are all in on whatever the scam du jour happens to be. China will steal whatever they want. No need to buy it. And, either way,  they'll still use whatever happens as a lame excuse to jack up the prices. Nothing that happens anymore is based on truth or reality. Everything that happens now is mostly just a bunch of fabricated crap to manipulate things as needed to achieve the outcome desired by the self-anointed puppeteers.

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

At the end of the day it just doesn't matter. None of it does. Law-makers are stupid and worthless. Governments are corrupt and the media liars are all in on whatever the scam du jour happens to be. China will steal whatever they want. No need to buy it. And, either way,  they'll still use whatever happens as a lame excuse to jack up the prices. Nothing that happens anymore is based on truth or reality. Everything that happens now is mostly just a bunch of fabricated crap to manipulate things as needed to achieve the outcome desired by the self-anointed puppeteers.

 

phsew, thats a pretty dark view on things...i gotta stay positive for my little princess tho 🙂 

 

on a lighter note, i got myself a Ryzen 7000 Delid Die Mate 😄 

 

 

now based on what little info i could find online, delidding Ryzen 7000 with LM between IHS and die and using the cpu relidded, results may vary. still, with Zen 5 around the corner and 50% off, i figured its now or never haha 😄 

 

if anyone is interested, the 50% offer still stands over at Proshop:

 

https://www.proshop.de/CPU-Kuehler/Thermal-Grizzly-Ryzen-7000-Delid-Die-Mate-Modding/3143452?utm_source=geizhals&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=pricesite

 

im definitely not going direct die, due to the chiplets getting a perfectly aligned contact is very finicky, plus high risk of damaging one of the chiplets. a direct die frame aint gonna help with that either, so im just gonna keep things simple. 

 

while i was at it, i also grabbed myself the corresponding AM5 custom IHS, also by Thermal Grizzly:

 

 

this should protect the surrounding mobo nicely from LM spills while significantly increasing the IHS contact area 🙂 feedback from other users looks promising at around 10-15C reduction, basically only couple degrees off the finicky and risky direct die.

 

its basically sold out / out of stock everywhere i looked, BUT i found myself a reputable shop in the Netherlands that still have some in stock, if anyone in the EU is interested:

https://www.sicomputers.nl/thermal-grizzly-am5-high-performance-heatspreader-id-905994.html

[electrosoft]

18 hours ago, Papusan said:

The side effect… Same as under the mining race. Shortage and higher prices (4090). And they can probably sell more overpriced 4080’s. Perfect solution giving the 4080 Super the cheaper AD103 die. Today’s question…. Will nvidia release a 4080Ti ? @electrosoft🫢

 

Seeing as the 4080 Super is barely much of a bump over the 4080 with it's "full fat" AD103, there's PLENTY of room between even it and the 4090 to shovel in a even more cut down (aka partial rejects from the 4090/6000) AD102 towards the end of the 4000 series life cycle.

 

Right now, it's a race to see if AD102 full fat AI demand will basically cancel out a 4090ti next year and when Blackwell will launch either Q4 2024 or Q1/2 2025.

 

The ultimate insult would be Nvidia offering a 4090 Super/TI dab smack in the middle of the 6000/4090 core counts for $2k, but I put nothing past Nvidia and $$$$. 🙂

 

 

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

phsew, thats a pretty dark view on things...i gotta stay positive for my little princess tho 🙂 

 

on a lighter note, i got myself a Ryzen 7000 Delid Die Mate 😄 

 

 

now based on what little info i could find online, delidding Ryzen 7000 with LM between IHS and die and using the cpu relidded, results may vary. still, with Zen 5 around the corner and 50% off, i figured its now or never haha 😄 

 

if anyone is interested, the 50% offer still stands over at Proshop:

 

https://www.proshop.de/CPU-Kuehler/Thermal-Grizzly-Ryzen-7000-Delid-Die-Mate-Modding/3143452?utm_source=geizhals&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=pricesite

 

im definitely not going direct die, due to the chiplets getting a perfectly aligned contact is very finicky, plus high risk of damaging one of the chiplets. a direct die frame aint gonna help with that either, so im just gonna keep things simple. 

 

while i was at it, i also grabbed myself the corresponding AM5 custom IHS, also by Thermal Grizzly:

 

 

this should protect the surrounding mobo nicely from LM spills while significantly increasing the IHS contact area 🙂 feedback from other users looks promising at around 10-15C reduction, basically only couple degrees off the finicky and risky direct die.

 

its basically sold out / out of stock everywhere i looked, BUT i found myself a reputable shop in the Netherlands that still have some in stock, if anyone in the EU is interested:

https://www.sicomputers.nl/thermal-grizzly-am5-high-performance-heatspreader-id-905994.html

 

Sweet! This will be a fun project to see unfold and how much it helps. Looking forward to the results bro!

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

on a lighter note, i got myself a Ryzen 7000 Delid Die Mate 😄 

 

 

now based on what little info i could find online, delidding Ryzen 7000 with LM between IHS and die and using the cpu relidded, results may vary. still, with Zen 5 around the corner and 50% off, i figured its now or never haha 😄 

 

if anyone is interested, the 50% offer still stands over at Proshop:

 

https://www.proshop.de/CPU-Kuehler/Thermal-Grizzly-Ryzen-7000-Delid-Die-Mate-Modding/3143452?utm_source=geizhals&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=pricesite

 

im definitely not going direct die, due to the chiplets getting a perfectly aligned contact is very finicky, plus high risk of damaging one of the chiplets. a direct die frame aint gonna help with that either, so im just gonna keep things simple. 

 

while i was at it, i also grabbed myself the corresponding AM5 custom IHS, also by Thermal Grizzly:

 

 

this should protect the surrounding mobo nicely from LM spills while significantly increasing the IHS contact area 🙂 feedback from other users looks promising at around 10-15C reduction, basically only couple degrees off the finicky and risky direct die.

 

its basically sold out / out of stock everywhere i looked, BUT i found myself a reputable shop in the Netherlands that still have some in stock, if anyone in the EU is interested:

https://www.sicomputers.nl/thermal-grizzly-am5-high-performance-heatspreader-id-905994.html

Nice! I look forward to seeing before/after results. That's a sweet IHS replacement. In concept the installation is similar to my IceMan direct die block. It replaces the ILM. In this example it replaces the ILM and IHS. I like it. I had not seen it before. I did not know Roman had produced that.

  

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

phsew, thats a pretty dark view on things...i gotta stay positive for my little princess tho 🙂 

It is certainly not one I would choose, but it is (very sadly) what I have concluded based on the undesirable facts. But, I do agree with keeping a positive outlook. That's important. We also want our kids to be eyes-open and keen to the wiles of the wicked. We can't fix stupid and we can't cure evil, but there is always hope for the possibility of extermination. At the very least, we can reject what is stupid and evil and teach our kids to identify both and do the same. In the end it's all gonna burn and better things await us when we shed our mortal coil.  😉

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

We also want our kids to be eyes-open and keen to the wiles of the wicked. We can't fix stupid and we can't cure evil, but there is always hope for the possibility of extermination. At the very least, we can reject what is stupid and evil and teach our kids to identify both and do the same

 

Not much we can do if everything you find is pure trash. And we are closer and closer for each new day.

 

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